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    Lumberjack 100

    Never done this one. Thinking I may try to get in. I have read all I could find here about the race. Looking for any pointers or tips for a first timer at this event. Are you able to set up a pit area to stop at on each lap to re fuel and make any repairs? Are you able to have a E Z up and pit "crew" /wife help with refilling bottles and such? Cell phone coverage in the area? We have AT&T. Thanks for any help.

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    Get there early to set up an EZ up. The tents will be a couple deep along the finish/lap stretch. They have one stop on the course where volunteers will fill u up. Not sure about cell service. Fun race with great support.

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    No cell coverage in the race area, you have to drive back out along the highway. Can't remember the name of it but there was a diner on an intersection east of the race I had AT&T coverage at last year.

    As above, plenty of space to set up your pit area, if you're worried about a good spot do it as early as you can the day before the race.
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    Having never been to this race, thanks for all the tips. I would like more info on how the setup of the pit area goes. Can you drive to this area, or do you need to walk and carry your EZ up and gear to this area? Is it "safe" to leave your stuff there overnight? What is considered :early" for set up in this area? ( Friday morning? or early Friday like 2:00 am? ) How far is it from the pit area to where you can park your vehicle.

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    You can't park your car right at the pits but you can get your car close enough to drop all your stuff then go park your car. I have always gotten there Friday afternoon, and gotten a good enough spot but then again every year people seem to be getting there earlier and earlier, so if you can get there at some point in the morning Friday you should be fine.

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    Friday morning or afternoon would be fine. The pits are 150 feet from the closest part of the parking lot. Chances are you will drop you stuff off and go find a parking spot.

    There is a fairly large number of people each year that go just to finish. They think they need to be in the front during the start. Work really hard to be near the front if you are fast. I ended up with a 8 hour time and was mixed in with 10 hour people. It made for a lot of extra work in the first lap.

    Good luck and have fun the atmosphere is a lot of fun.

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    Bring lots of bug spray....lots !

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    registration tomorrow at noon. Bikereg.com
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    So who's in? I signed up. It'll be my first time for this race. I'm pretty stoked for it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jboyd122 View Post
    So who's in? I signed up. It'll be my first time for this race. I'm pretty stoked for it.
    I'm in. This will be my first time too. Looking forward to it. Now comes the trial and error of finding the correct way to take in the needed calories and finishing strong.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ohiorick View Post
    I'm in. This will be my first time too. Looking forward to it. Now comes the trial and error of finding the correct way to take in the needed calories and finishing strong.
    I am in! This will be my 3rd year and last year I went with Infinit for my fueling and I was really happy with it. One bottle an hour and that's it. It takes care of your calories and your hydration. It tastes good too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kovickc View Post
    I am in! This will be my 3rd year and last year I went with Infinit for my fueling and I was really happy with it. One bottle an hour and that's it. It takes care of your calories and your hydration. It tastes good too.
    I bought some Hammer products today to test out and see how they taste. How do you use Infinit at one bottle an hour? Do you carry 3 bottles with you, plus some water?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ohiorick View Post
    I bought some Hammer products today to test out and see how they taste. How do you use Infinit at one bottle an hour? Do you carry 3 bottles with you, plus some water?
    Hammer stuff works good too! I switched because the ease of use with one bottle for all my needs vs gels, pills, mixing bottles, etc.
    The race is 3 laps and there is an aid station about mile 17 that you can refill at. It only takes a moment and you are on your way. I carry 2 bottles and a baggie with mix in it. If it was really hot I may carry a third with just water to be sure I did not run out. So you have your pit and the aid station to refill per 33 mile lap.

    The key is to find out what works for you well before the race and stick to your plan. I am not fast by any means. First year it took me 11.5 hours and last year 9:46, both SS rigid. This year I am going geared with a squishy fork and hoping to go sub 9.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kovickc View Post
    Hammer stuff works good too! I switched because the ease of use with one bottle for all my needs vs gels, pills, mixing bottles, etc.
    The race is 3 laps and there is an aid station about mile 17 that you can refill at. It only takes a moment and you are on your way. I carry 2 bottles and a baggie with mix in it. If it was really hot I may carry a third with just water to be sure I did not run out. So you have your pit and the aid station to refill per 33 mile lap.
    Just checked out Infinit's web site. May be worth a test. What mix did you find works for you? Looks like they have a basic one for a 100 MTB race.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ohiorick View Post
    Just checked out Infinit's web site. May be worth a test. What mix did you find works for you? Looks like they have a basic one for a 100 MTB race.
    I used the 100 MTB formula in Orange. I have tried a lemon/lime, but I like orange for all day taste. I now have a variation of the 100 formula that was tweaked a little. If you set up a consultation they can adjust the formula for you for a few dollars more. More/less flavor, electrolytes, etc.

    With the formulas that have protein it is recommended to run a "flush" bottle every few hours to help prevent stomach issues during long events. Flush bottle is a bottle without protein. So for myself I have 2 mixes with the same calorie count one with and one without protein.

    Some people don't like any protein, but I find it helps me and I do not get really hungry during the race.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kovickc View Post
    I used the 100 MTB formula in Orange. I have tried a lemon/lime, but I like orange for all day taste. I now have a variation of the 100 formula that was tweaked a little. If you set up a consultation they can adjust the formula for you for a few dollars more. More/less flavor, electrolytes, etc.
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    I am not a big fan of lemon /lime or orange. I sent them a message to see if I could get any other flavor. Having never done a 100 mile MTB race, I am sure having enough calories is going to be the biggest issue. Looks like I will have some testing to do in the coming months. I have done 100 mile road rides, and have not had any problems with fueling up at the stops with whatever was there, but this is a bit more intense and will have to be worked out.

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    hmm weird, its still open. Last year it closed in about 14 minutes. Its been open for 11 hours and there are still spots open. Looks like maybe the 100 mile mtb thing is fading? who knows. Maybe its just the charm of lumberjack?

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    Anyone know where I can find a GPS map for the course? I can't find one anywhere.

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    Here is mine from 2 years ago.

    http://connect.garmin.com/activity/96313578

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    Quote Originally Posted by asmallsol View Post
    hmm weird, its still open. Last year it closed in about 14 minutes. Its been open for 11 hours and there are still spots open. Looks like maybe the 100 mile mtb thing is fading? who knows. Maybe its just the charm of lumberjack?

    I wonder if it is weather related. Last year the weather was so mild all winter leading up to registration that I think a lot of people had been riding hard and were excited to sign up for races.

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    Quote Originally Posted by asmallsol View Post
    Thanks. I am hoping to get a chance to pre ride the course before the race. I am in Ohio and its a 6 hour drive, so I may not get to do that until a day or two before the race. Hope I don't get lost.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ranger Pride View Post
    I wonder if it is weather related. Last year the weather was so mild all winter leading up to registration that I think a lot of people had been riding hard and were excited to sign up for races.
    Or maybe people didn't like all the extra loose sand on the course last year from lack of winter snow and spring rain.

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    Who's in for this one? I plan to be there and give it a try.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ohiorick View Post
    Who's in for this one? I plan to be there and give it a try.
    I am in. I have my fingers crossed as the weather is looking good with a high of 70. If I can keep my stomach from going south during the race all should be good.

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    I had fun doing it last year, will be there again next weekend.

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    In for my first should be good!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pivot4 View Post
    I had fun doing it last year, will be there again next weekend.
    can you tell me anything about the course? any creek crossing, rock gardens, hike a bike hills, dirt roads, long grinding uphills? Any areas that one should be extra careful through? I am hoping to get a chance to pre ride the route, but I have heard it may be raining Thursday before the race and I don't want to be checking the route in the rain.
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    No creek crossings, No rock gardens...not sure what your typical riding is like but I felt there was a real lack of technical riding (but Im not complaining in 100mi of riding). There is one steep hill that got pretty beat up and a hike-a-bike was necessary...maybe 60yards? There is some gravel road but not a whole lot. I only remember one long grinder of a hill but most uphill grades are either long and very gradual or short and steep, the sort of stuff you can see coming and shoot up using momentum. Some soft sections of sand that are practically unavoidable...especially watch it in the corners.
    I found my pace dictated in the first lap by traffic but after that I was free to go as I wished for the most part. Finished in 10:15 last year shooting for something under 10 this year. Wonderful shady route too. As for nutrition I did what a previous poster did. 2 bottles, carried ziploc bag with 3rd bottle contents in a pocket, mixed it at the aid station. Hammer nutrition got me thru just fine. Any more q's just ask.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pivot4 View Post
    No creek crossings, No rock gardens...not sure what your typical riding is like but I felt there was a real lack of technical riding (but Im not complaining in 100mi of riding). There is one steep hill that got pretty beat up and a hike-a-bike was necessary...maybe 60yards? There is some gravel road but not a whole lot. I only remember one long grinder of a hill but most uphill grades are either long and very gradual or short and steep, the sort of stuff you can see coming and shoot up using momentum. Some soft sections of sand that are practically unavoidable...especially watch it in the corners.
    I found my pace dictated in the first lap by traffic but after that I was free to go as I wished for the most part. Finished in 10:15 last year shooting for something under 10 this year. Wonderful shady route too. As for nutrition I did what a previous poster did. 2 bottles, carried ziploc bag with 3rd bottle contents in a pocket, mixed it at the aid station. Hammer nutrition got me thru just fine. Any more q's just ask.
    Pivot, thanks for the info. I am really looking forward to it. We have a little bit of everything here locally, so this sounds like a good course for 100 miles. This will be my first off road 100 mile event. I was kind of hoping it would be an "easy" course. There is nothing easy about 100 miles, but this sounds as good as its going to get. I plan to use Infinit drink mix and hope it works for my calories.

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    Leadville and Lumber are the only ones I have ever done. I didnt find that it beat me up too bad at all. I enjoyed the course, hence why I am doing it again.

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    First lap pace will be dictated by traffic, try not to burn too many matches trying to go too fast. Course description above is correct, nothing technical that I can recall, hardly any rocks. Cross fingers it's not as hot as last year.
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    Take 6th's advice! His pre race info helped me out a ton last year.

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    Would a guy do better to let everyone go and give them 5 min then start to avoid the mass chaos start and race to the single track if your intended goal is 10hrs?.. Just a thought...

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    I didnt drive hard at the beginning but I didnt let myself drift all the way to the back either. Stay at a nice warm up pace on the road and even 10miles into the track my huge group was still doing the yo-yo thing up and down the inclines. It thinned out over the next 20miles and then the last two laps...so 60miles I was free to go as I pleased for the most part.

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    I'm thinking the same thing. I will at least be in the back of the pack. No reason to go like a mad man and get in a crash or burn out when all I want to do is get to the finish.

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    Great stuff guys. Would an Ikon on the front offer enough traction for this course?
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    I ran Stan's Crow and Raven last year on my FS26", 35psi each and that worked for me. I'll be on 29" Spec 2.3 Renegades and will run 35/30psi.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pivot4 View Post
    I ran Stan's Crow and Raven last year on my FS26", 35psi each and that worked for me. I'll be on 29" Spec 2.3 Renegades and will run 35/30psi.
    Thanks. The tread looks similar to the Ikon's.
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    looks like we may get some rain on race day. I have heard that rain could make this course better, no dust. Anyone that has done this before that could give an opinion about how rain would impact the race? My guess is that it will be hard on a drive train, with the sandy soil sticking to the chain.

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    Lumberjack 100

    My weather apps are saying chance of rain not so high.

    The sandy "soil" can handle quite a bit water and soak it up like a sponge. I recall there being a little bit of water on the trail but it soon soaked in. It didn't cause drivetrain issues.

    However, there was that one year, in band camp, when it rained heavily the days before, there was a long puddle that was no fun. That section has been re-graded with rock/gravel and should be able to handle plenty of water.

    Bring the DEET.

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    Accuweather is showing a forecast that looks awesome for race day 52 in the morning and only a high of 71 and mostly cloudy! Let's hope it stays

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    Quote Originally Posted by 29Again View Post
    My weather apps are saying chance of rain not so high.

    The sandy "soil" can handle quite a bit water and soak it up like a sponge. I recall there being a little bit of water on the trail but it soon soaked in. It didn't cause drivetrain issues.

    However, there was that one year, in band camp, when it rained heavily the days before, there was a long puddle that was no fun. That section has been re-graded with rock/gravel and should be able to handle plenty of water.

    Bring the DEET.
    The last two years the bugs haven't been bad.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vmaxx4 View Post
    Thanks. The tread looks similar to the Ikon's.
    I ran Ravens last year @ 35/33psi and will be running Ikon's front and rear this year. 28/26psi.

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    from the Lumberjack facebook page:
    Trail update. Very leaf covered and high amount of sticks down. More than the norm. Ride defensively. Tons of skeeters. No ticks yet.

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    Even better reason to stay back at the start! Let 400 go first to clear the way.. I am on board with sitting back and letting the pack go at the start giving them a full 5 min headstart. Then go at an easy endurance pace with the plan to build up the pace later in the race.. Be easier passing smaller groups when everyone is all spread out I think..

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    from the Lumberjack facebook page:
    Trail update. Very leaf covered and high amount of sticks down. More than the norm. Ride defensively. Tons of skeeters. No ticks yet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wildworks View Post
    Even better reason to stay back at the start! Let 400 go first to clear the way.. I am on board with sitting back and letting the pack go at the start giving them a full 5 min headstart. Then go at an easy endurance pace with the plan to build up the pace later in the race.. Be easier passing smaller groups when everyone is all spread out I think..
    Wildworks, I think you have a pretty good idea. I may join you. I just got to the race site and had time to do a short 1 mile scout ride. In that short time, I had 3 stcks get into my rear wheel. No damage, but I could hear and feel them. I'm inclined to let the fast guys clean all that out for me before I get to it. See you on race day.

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    Ohiorick I'll see you at the back ill be the the big guy on a spearfish with the Bissell kit!

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    So how did it turn out for you guys yesterday?

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    I got 1 lap done before I got something in my left eye ( I had eye protection on)and I could not get it out. Finally got it out today. Had fun, nice course. I have already made room reservations for next year. Could not ask for better race day weather. Guy that won it, did it on a single speed in 6.5 hours. I would be very pleased if I could do 2 laps in that time.

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    oh man, sorry to hear that! It was a very nice day in fact.

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