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    Levi v. Lance at L'ville...

    who wins? My money is on Levi with a sprint victory up the boulevard!

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    Quote Originally Posted by LyncStar
    who wins? My money is on Levi with a sprint victory up the boulevard!
    Do you think they will race each other or one will work for the other? I thought Lance was putting together a "Team" of pro roadies and mtbers, including Levi. I see Levi helping Lance, Lance doesnt help other racers. Lance said he was gonna at Le Tour after his fall, but never really saw that happen. He was pretty much just cruising along.

    More interesting to me is that I think there will be other "teams" competing against Lance and crew. I would imagine there will be other groups trying to knock them off. Wouldnt be surprised if Team Ergon puts something together in terms of pacing and drafting to keep Weins as close as possible. I imagine there are more than a few out therre who have, wisely or not, Lance in their sites.

    Overend, Tinker, Jeremiah Bishop (who does pretty well for himself on the NUE Series of 100 milers) as well as several other Pros will be out there with teams and support crews.

    Should be very interesting.

    I am just trying to get a buckle, shooting for 11:00 so really will not hear much till way later, but will be interesting to watch the first batches of leaders pass down columbine as I am climbing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TiRyder
    Do you think they will race each other or one will work for the other? I thought Lance was putting together a "Team" of pro roadies and mtbers, including Levi. I see Levi helping Lance, Lance doesnt help other racers. Lance said he was gonna at Le Tour after his fall, but never really saw that happen. He was pretty much just cruising along.

    More interesting to me is that I think there will be other "teams" competing against Lance and crew. I would imagine there will be other groups trying to knock them off. Wouldnt be surprised if Team Ergon puts something together in terms of pacing and drafting to keep Weins as close as possible. I imagine there are more than a few out therre who have, wisely or not, Lance in their sites.

    Overend, Tinker, Jeremiah Bishop (who does pretty well for himself on the NUE Series of 100 milers) as well as several other Pros will be out there with teams and support crews.

    Should be very interesting.

    I am just trying to get a buckle, shooting for 11:00 so really will not hear much till way later, but will be interesting to watch the first batches of leaders pass down columbine as I am climbing.

    I'd heard lance mention team effort on the movie, but I think he and levi are going head to head. I think the whole team concept for a mtb endurance race sucks. It should be one man/woman, his/her bike, and the mountain(s)! I'm racing again for the first time since 2007, and hoping to break 9. We'll see!! I just looked at my training for '07 and I had a lot more volume than I do this year I'm also 42 instead of 39

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    Whatever Lance and Levi do they'll have a tough go with MTB pros like JHK and Todd Wells taking the start this year.
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    You really think so?

    Quote Originally Posted by dmccune
    Whatever Lance and Levi do they'll have a tough go with MTB pros like JHK and Todd Wells taking the start this year.
    I think it'll be interesting how in their prime mtb pros will compete against successful world level vet pro road racers..given it is a different field of play so to speak....

    in the big picture of professional cycling...I've always thought similar to baseball there being a farm system (USA road, mtb, cx racing) and the pros (Europe racing). JHK and Todd Wells might be candidates for MVP of the Triple A league (USA mtbing and CX)....but riders like L and L are successful veteran big league players on the world scene.

    Interested to follow, if they do race.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dmccune
    Whatever Lance and Levi do they'll have a tough go with MTB pros like JHK and Todd Wells taking the start this year.
    Leadville is not nearly technical enough (d'oh!) to give a pro mtb'r any advantage whatsoever, IMO. The real issue is who can handle that much elevation gain at that elevation over that distance. I'd tip my hat to a Euro-pro roadie climber w/ minimal mtb experience over the typical, or even top, pro mtb'r. Especially if said Euro-pro roadie climber just spent a month-long training camp in France.

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    TiRyder, I heard you were aiming to take down Lance and Levi with some wild elbows and taunting. LOL!

    Just kidding of course. Should be fun to watch play out. Love to see Dave W. an unknown get the win. But won't kid myself too much. Good luck to all the folks racing L-Ville.
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    I saw Lance on course yesterday riding alone. He was working hard on the upper Powerline...

    Can't wait to see how it all plays out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Roger___
    I think it'll be interesting how in their prime mtb pros will compete against successful world level vet pro road racers..given it is a different field of play so to speak....
    Interested to follow, if they do race.

    Best of luck to those of you racing too!
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    And it's a playing field [course] that doesn't really require one to be a great technician, which definitely does nothing to favor dedicated mountain bike pros over more road oriented racers.

    Pretty much straight up who's got the most horsepower at altitude, on a course where team tactics can have an influence on the outcome.

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    Weins said last year that he is done training to win at pbville,gonna focus more on his family,etc...Who knows? I hope he was bluffing.Also,Overend has entered,I dont think he can win,but the old man is a contender to place.I think jhk will blow up and fade at the end.The Bailey hundo was a low elevation race,the altitude at pbville will get cha!
    Whatever happens,it will be an interesting race for sure.I look forward to seeing who passes me first from the turnaround as I am struggling up Columbine.Last year Lance was riding so fast down Columbine that the moto had trouble keeping up with him in the twisty sections!

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    Quote Originally Posted by TiRyder
    Overend, Tinker, Jeremiah Bishop (who does pretty well for himself on the NUE Series of 100 milers) as well as several other Pros will be out there with teams and support crews.
    To put things into perspective: I did a local SoCal 56mi endurance race (vision quest) earlier this year where Tinker, Manny Prado (finished right behind Lance in 2008), and Jeremiah Bishop raced.
    I finished about 2+ hrs behind them. I tried to keep up with Tinker at a 12hr race in June that's was laughable....these dudes are fast!!!!

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    My friend Guy Sutton came in 6th at VQ this year in 5:30; Guy also pushed Tinker really hard at the Temecula 12 hrs you talked about. He rides the same pace as Nate Whitman who finished Leadville in 7:40 a couple years back.

    So, add 40% to your VQ finishing time and you have a prediction of your Leadville time.

    I raced against Guy in the Julian Death March this year, he finished in 6:43, I took 8:57. Extrapolating from this my Leadville time will be about 10 hours.

    This is all utter nonsense of course but I'm having fun playing with my calculator

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    It will be interesting but I don't expect Lance or Levi to able to match JHK or Wells. Yes, the course doesn't give an MTBer an advantage, and both Lance and Levi are very competent on a MTB as it is. It is the time of year that should give the MTBers the advantage.

    Both Lance and Levi are at the end of their seasons. Their form is probably dropping, JHK and Well we be getting ready for worlds. They should be reaching peak form.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LMN
    It will be interesting but I don't expect Lance or Levi to able to match JHK or Wells. Yes, the course doesn't give an MTBer an advantage, and both Lance and Levi are very competent on a MTB as it is. It is the time of year that should give the MTBers the advantage.

    Both Lance and Levi are at the end of their seasons. Their form is probably dropping, JHK and Well we be getting ready for worlds. They should be reaching peak form.
    Do either of those guys race endurance??

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    Quote Originally Posted by LyncStar
    Do either of those guys race endurance??
    Both dabble.

    But lets be realistic the best endurance MTBers are the guys racing world cup XC. It is just a minor tweak of a program to have an XC racer ready for 100 miler.
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    I gotta think Lance or Levi will come away with this one. Would like to see Jeremiah, or JHK come away with it, but I think the road pros are gonna make a day of it pretty quickly. Anybody know if Jeff Schlak is racing or does he only do the NUE series stuff? I don't think Jeff or for that matter Jeremiah are great at altitude anyway, but JHK lives in Winter Park so that could factor in?? Fingers crossed JHK for the win!!!!

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    The altitude specialist needs to be there. Where's Tostado in the mix. He'd be one to look out for. He owns the Breck 100. I'd like to see him throw down there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jnails
    I don't think Jeff or for that matter Jeremiah are great at altitude anyway

    btw, jeff came in second 3 weeks ago 10 minutes behind josh tostado in the breck 100...i dont think he can be considered "not that good at alititude"


    also, i dont know where josh is, but jeff schalk just registered in PA at the wilderness 101 which he has won the last like 2 or 3 years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sdcadbiker
    My friend Guy Sutton came in 6th at VQ this year in 5:30; Guy also pushed Tinker really hard at the Temecula 12 hrs you talked about. He rides the same pace as Nate Whitman who finished Leadville in 7:40 a couple years back.

    So, add 40% to your VQ finishing time and you have a prediction of your Leadville time.

    I raced against Guy in the Julian Death March this year, he finished in 6:43, I took 8:57. Extrapolating from this my Leadville time will be about 10 hours.

    This is all utter nonsense of course but I'm having fun playing with my calculator
    i was at temecula when on the first lap, gerry cody beat tinker with a sprint out on the first lap, lol. then gerry turned a 38min lap 2 laps later (but he was on 3 man team).

    gerry got 25th last year with 8:30 i think.

    also, nate whitman is stronger than ever right now and gerry has been living in leadville for the past month! gerry's the non sponsored dark horse! not that he will win but he will mix it up with the top guys at least until he blows up.

    of course this has nothing to do with this thread

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    Quote Originally Posted by hobiesmith
    of course this has nothing to do with this thread
    So?

    I'm approaching "analysis paralysis" over this stupid "Leadville" thing! Just gimme the damn buckle already!!

    Back on topic, anyone who thinks that roadies who have just done TdF will be too fried to challenge JHK needs their head examined! Last year Lance got bored and just rode away from the entire field...

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    Quote Originally Posted by sdcadbiker
    So?

    I'm approaching "analysis paralysis" over this stupid "Leadville" thing! Just gimme the damn buckle already!!

    Back on topic, anyone who thinks that roadies who have just done TdF will be too fried to challenge JHK needs their head examined! Last year Lance got bored and just rode away from the entire field...
    Rode away from a guy who was paid proffesional 15 years ago? A guy who has a real job a family and doesn't get paid to ride his bike.

    Lets see how he does against the best american MTBers in their prime.

    Wait it has happened already. Lance did a little bit of mountain bike racing way back in 1999, just after he had won his first tour. He road most of the race at the front but couldn't handle the high pace and blew up last lap. I believe Rolland Green was the guy who cracked him, but back then a good day for Rolland was 30th at a world cup.

    Technical skills may have been difference but technicals skills were far and I mean far from Rolland's strength.

    Checkout the name of the kid who was 7th right behind the Armstrong.

    1. Roland Green (Can) Team GT 2.12.07
    2. Travis Brown (USA) Trek-Volkswagen 0.48
    3. Luke Stockwell (Aus) Qranc-Sram 1.14
    4. Geoff Kabush (Can) Kona Factory 2.27
    5. Jimi Killen (USA) Diamondback 2.52
    6. Lance Armstrong (USA) Trek-Volkswagen 3.27
    7. Ryder Hesjedal (Can) Fisher-U/Saab 4.07
    8. Jess Swiggers (USA) Fisher-U/Saab 4.08
    9. Steve Larsen (USA) LL Bean/Mongoose 4.47
    10. Tinker Juarez (USA) Volvo-Cannondale 5.01


    BTW the rumour mill has it that because of the massive endurance training required for racing grand tour Ryder doesn't have the same power numbers that he had as a MTBer.
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    K. Obviously I beg to differ.
    We can discuss this some more in 16 days
    I'll be happy to admit to being wrong but I don't think I'll have to...

    BTW, I can't believe you're so scathing about the other pros in last year's race...

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    Quote Originally Posted by sdcadbiker
    BTW, I can't believe you're so scathing about the other pros in last year's race...

    All those guys will fully admit that they are past their prime. Dave Wiens will race occasionally against the younger guys. Fifteen years ago he would have given them a run for their money but nowadays life slows him down.

    The other guys in the top 10 are very fast but they are not world class MTBers.
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    Lets see how he does against the best american MTBers in their prime.

    that was my earlier opinion on this....farm league vs major league.

    And Ryder is Canadian.

    I'm a big fan of the mtb pro's that have gone to europe and are succeeding. Cadel and Ryder being on the top of the list....and I'm a fan too of TW and JHK.

    The other thing that is intangible is kind of what you brought up and is really what is great about endurance racing. 100% of endurance racing is about loving to do it....NO ONE MAKES A LIVING racing these....and the guys we love are the guys like Wiens holding down a job and raising a family....because we can closely relate (for me anyway) That said, how serious does someone like Lance or Levi take it? If you say they take it serious, then they have the same passion as all of us (it's not about the paycheck!)...which is a pretty cool thing.

    I'm just glad they're racing with you all and not at the High Cascades next week...that way i don't finish 4 hours behind the winner...maybe just 3 1/2.
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    I'm thinking that any pro roadies (Lance, Levi, whoever..) who just finished Le Tour will come out on top esp considering that Leadville is a dusty road ride...

    Then of the current pros entered Bishop is the best of the bunch at this distance. JHK and Wells are only a minute or 3 faster than JB in XC races, at which they still specialize in. He is a marathon/hundie guy with several wins at SM100. Over a 7hr effort he wins. Altitude is the only thing I see stopping him from besting those 2.

    And you gotta wonder what a NUE guy would do. Schalk is a beast and was winning Breck until he flatted twice, walked for a bit, was 30 minutes off Josh when he finally got a tube and still nearly caught him. He was stronger than Josh that day, at altitude. And he has beaten Bishop and Eatough before. Who else? Tanguay? Beck? Pflug on SS?

    Then I would consider the old wood...Weins, Tinker and Ned finishing somewhere after the currently pro roadies/knobbies..

    Real interesting. Can't wait til Lance does a technical 100 miler. This is powder puff.

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