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    Levi v. Lance at L'ville...

    who wins? My money is on Levi with a sprint victory up the boulevard!

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    Quote Originally Posted by LyncStar
    who wins? My money is on Levi with a sprint victory up the boulevard!
    Do you think they will race each other or one will work for the other? I thought Lance was putting together a "Team" of pro roadies and mtbers, including Levi. I see Levi helping Lance, Lance doesnt help other racers. Lance said he was gonna at Le Tour after his fall, but never really saw that happen. He was pretty much just cruising along.

    More interesting to me is that I think there will be other "teams" competing against Lance and crew. I would imagine there will be other groups trying to knock them off. Wouldnt be surprised if Team Ergon puts something together in terms of pacing and drafting to keep Weins as close as possible. I imagine there are more than a few out therre who have, wisely or not, Lance in their sites.

    Overend, Tinker, Jeremiah Bishop (who does pretty well for himself on the NUE Series of 100 milers) as well as several other Pros will be out there with teams and support crews.

    Should be very interesting.

    I am just trying to get a buckle, shooting for 11:00 so really will not hear much till way later, but will be interesting to watch the first batches of leaders pass down columbine as I am climbing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TiRyder
    Do you think they will race each other or one will work for the other? I thought Lance was putting together a "Team" of pro roadies and mtbers, including Levi. I see Levi helping Lance, Lance doesnt help other racers. Lance said he was gonna at Le Tour after his fall, but never really saw that happen. He was pretty much just cruising along.

    More interesting to me is that I think there will be other "teams" competing against Lance and crew. I would imagine there will be other groups trying to knock them off. Wouldnt be surprised if Team Ergon puts something together in terms of pacing and drafting to keep Weins as close as possible. I imagine there are more than a few out therre who have, wisely or not, Lance in their sites.

    Overend, Tinker, Jeremiah Bishop (who does pretty well for himself on the NUE Series of 100 milers) as well as several other Pros will be out there with teams and support crews.

    Should be very interesting.

    I am just trying to get a buckle, shooting for 11:00 so really will not hear much till way later, but will be interesting to watch the first batches of leaders pass down columbine as I am climbing.

    I'd heard lance mention team effort on the movie, but I think he and levi are going head to head. I think the whole team concept for a mtb endurance race sucks. It should be one man/woman, his/her bike, and the mountain(s)! I'm racing again for the first time since 2007, and hoping to break 9. We'll see!! I just looked at my training for '07 and I had a lot more volume than I do this year I'm also 42 instead of 39

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    Whatever Lance and Levi do they'll have a tough go with MTB pros like JHK and Todd Wells taking the start this year.
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    You really think so?

    Quote Originally Posted by dmccune
    Whatever Lance and Levi do they'll have a tough go with MTB pros like JHK and Todd Wells taking the start this year.
    I think it'll be interesting how in their prime mtb pros will compete against successful world level vet pro road racers..given it is a different field of play so to speak....

    in the big picture of professional cycling...I've always thought similar to baseball there being a farm system (USA road, mtb, cx racing) and the pros (Europe racing). JHK and Todd Wells might be candidates for MVP of the Triple A league (USA mtbing and CX)....but riders like L and L are successful veteran big league players on the world scene.

    Interested to follow, if they do race.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dmccune
    Whatever Lance and Levi do they'll have a tough go with MTB pros like JHK and Todd Wells taking the start this year.
    Leadville is not nearly technical enough (d'oh!) to give a pro mtb'r any advantage whatsoever, IMO. The real issue is who can handle that much elevation gain at that elevation over that distance. I'd tip my hat to a Euro-pro roadie climber w/ minimal mtb experience over the typical, or even top, pro mtb'r. Especially if said Euro-pro roadie climber just spent a month-long training camp in France.

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    TiRyder, I heard you were aiming to take down Lance and Levi with some wild elbows and taunting. LOL!

    Just kidding of course. Should be fun to watch play out. Love to see Dave W. an unknown get the win. But won't kid myself too much. Good luck to all the folks racing L-Ville.
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    I saw Lance on course yesterday riding alone. He was working hard on the upper Powerline...

    Can't wait to see how it all plays out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Roger___
    I think it'll be interesting how in their prime mtb pros will compete against successful world level vet pro road racers..given it is a different field of play so to speak....
    Interested to follow, if they do race.

    Best of luck to those of you racing too!
    +1

    And it's a playing field [course] that doesn't really require one to be a great technician, which definitely does nothing to favor dedicated mountain bike pros over more road oriented racers.

    Pretty much straight up who's got the most horsepower at altitude, on a course where team tactics can have an influence on the outcome.

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    Weins said last year that he is done training to win at pbville,gonna focus more on his family,etc...Who knows? I hope he was bluffing.Also,Overend has entered,I dont think he can win,but the old man is a contender to place.I think jhk will blow up and fade at the end.The Bailey hundo was a low elevation race,the altitude at pbville will get cha!
    Whatever happens,it will be an interesting race for sure.I look forward to seeing who passes me first from the turnaround as I am struggling up Columbine.Last year Lance was riding so fast down Columbine that the moto had trouble keeping up with him in the twisty sections!

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    Quote Originally Posted by TiRyder
    Overend, Tinker, Jeremiah Bishop (who does pretty well for himself on the NUE Series of 100 milers) as well as several other Pros will be out there with teams and support crews.
    To put things into perspective: I did a local SoCal 56mi endurance race (vision quest) earlier this year where Tinker, Manny Prado (finished right behind Lance in 2008), and Jeremiah Bishop raced.
    I finished about 2+ hrs behind them. I tried to keep up with Tinker at a 12hr race in June that's was laughable....these dudes are fast!!!!

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    My friend Guy Sutton came in 6th at VQ this year in 5:30; Guy also pushed Tinker really hard at the Temecula 12 hrs you talked about. He rides the same pace as Nate Whitman who finished Leadville in 7:40 a couple years back.

    So, add 40% to your VQ finishing time and you have a prediction of your Leadville time.

    I raced against Guy in the Julian Death March this year, he finished in 6:43, I took 8:57. Extrapolating from this my Leadville time will be about 10 hours.

    This is all utter nonsense of course but I'm having fun playing with my calculator

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    It will be interesting but I don't expect Lance or Levi to able to match JHK or Wells. Yes, the course doesn't give an MTBer an advantage, and both Lance and Levi are very competent on a MTB as it is. It is the time of year that should give the MTBers the advantage.

    Both Lance and Levi are at the end of their seasons. Their form is probably dropping, JHK and Well we be getting ready for worlds. They should be reaching peak form.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LMN
    It will be interesting but I don't expect Lance or Levi to able to match JHK or Wells. Yes, the course doesn't give an MTBer an advantage, and both Lance and Levi are very competent on a MTB as it is. It is the time of year that should give the MTBers the advantage.

    Both Lance and Levi are at the end of their seasons. Their form is probably dropping, JHK and Well we be getting ready for worlds. They should be reaching peak form.
    Do either of those guys race endurance??

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    Quote Originally Posted by LyncStar
    Do either of those guys race endurance??
    Both dabble.

    But lets be realistic the best endurance MTBers are the guys racing world cup XC. It is just a minor tweak of a program to have an XC racer ready for 100 miler.
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    I gotta think Lance or Levi will come away with this one. Would like to see Jeremiah, or JHK come away with it, but I think the road pros are gonna make a day of it pretty quickly. Anybody know if Jeff Schlak is racing or does he only do the NUE series stuff? I don't think Jeff or for that matter Jeremiah are great at altitude anyway, but JHK lives in Winter Park so that could factor in?? Fingers crossed JHK for the win!!!!

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    The altitude specialist needs to be there. Where's Tostado in the mix. He'd be one to look out for. He owns the Breck 100. I'd like to see him throw down there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jnails
    I don't think Jeff or for that matter Jeremiah are great at altitude anyway

    btw, jeff came in second 3 weeks ago 10 minutes behind josh tostado in the breck 100...i dont think he can be considered "not that good at alititude"


    also, i dont know where josh is, but jeff schalk just registered in PA at the wilderness 101 which he has won the last like 2 or 3 years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sdcadbiker
    My friend Guy Sutton came in 6th at VQ this year in 5:30; Guy also pushed Tinker really hard at the Temecula 12 hrs you talked about. He rides the same pace as Nate Whitman who finished Leadville in 7:40 a couple years back.

    So, add 40% to your VQ finishing time and you have a prediction of your Leadville time.

    I raced against Guy in the Julian Death March this year, he finished in 6:43, I took 8:57. Extrapolating from this my Leadville time will be about 10 hours.

    This is all utter nonsense of course but I'm having fun playing with my calculator
    i was at temecula when on the first lap, gerry cody beat tinker with a sprint out on the first lap, lol. then gerry turned a 38min lap 2 laps later (but he was on 3 man team).

    gerry got 25th last year with 8:30 i think.

    also, nate whitman is stronger than ever right now and gerry has been living in leadville for the past month! gerry's the non sponsored dark horse! not that he will win but he will mix it up with the top guys at least until he blows up.

    of course this has nothing to do with this thread

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    Quote Originally Posted by hobiesmith
    of course this has nothing to do with this thread
    So?

    I'm approaching "analysis paralysis" over this stupid "Leadville" thing! Just gimme the damn buckle already!!

    Back on topic, anyone who thinks that roadies who have just done TdF will be too fried to challenge JHK needs their head examined! Last year Lance got bored and just rode away from the entire field...

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    Quote Originally Posted by sdcadbiker
    So?

    I'm approaching "analysis paralysis" over this stupid "Leadville" thing! Just gimme the damn buckle already!!

    Back on topic, anyone who thinks that roadies who have just done TdF will be too fried to challenge JHK needs their head examined! Last year Lance got bored and just rode away from the entire field...
    Rode away from a guy who was paid proffesional 15 years ago? A guy who has a real job a family and doesn't get paid to ride his bike.

    Lets see how he does against the best american MTBers in their prime.

    Wait it has happened already. Lance did a little bit of mountain bike racing way back in 1999, just after he had won his first tour. He road most of the race at the front but couldn't handle the high pace and blew up last lap. I believe Rolland Green was the guy who cracked him, but back then a good day for Rolland was 30th at a world cup.

    Technical skills may have been difference but technicals skills were far and I mean far from Rolland's strength.

    Checkout the name of the kid who was 7th right behind the Armstrong.

    1. Roland Green (Can) Team GT 2.12.07
    2. Travis Brown (USA) Trek-Volkswagen 0.48
    3. Luke Stockwell (Aus) Qranc-Sram 1.14
    4. Geoff Kabush (Can) Kona Factory 2.27
    5. Jimi Killen (USA) Diamondback 2.52
    6. Lance Armstrong (USA) Trek-Volkswagen 3.27
    7. Ryder Hesjedal (Can) Fisher-U/Saab 4.07
    8. Jess Swiggers (USA) Fisher-U/Saab 4.08
    9. Steve Larsen (USA) LL Bean/Mongoose 4.47
    10. Tinker Juarez (USA) Volvo-Cannondale 5.01


    BTW the rumour mill has it that because of the massive endurance training required for racing grand tour Ryder doesn't have the same power numbers that he had as a MTBer.
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    K. Obviously I beg to differ.
    We can discuss this some more in 16 days
    I'll be happy to admit to being wrong but I don't think I'll have to...

    BTW, I can't believe you're so scathing about the other pros in last year's race...

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    Quote Originally Posted by sdcadbiker
    BTW, I can't believe you're so scathing about the other pros in last year's race...

    All those guys will fully admit that they are past their prime. Dave Wiens will race occasionally against the younger guys. Fifteen years ago he would have given them a run for their money but nowadays life slows him down.

    The other guys in the top 10 are very fast but they are not world class MTBers.
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    Lets see how he does against the best american MTBers in their prime.

    that was my earlier opinion on this....farm league vs major league.

    And Ryder is Canadian.

    I'm a big fan of the mtb pro's that have gone to europe and are succeeding. Cadel and Ryder being on the top of the list....and I'm a fan too of TW and JHK.

    The other thing that is intangible is kind of what you brought up and is really what is great about endurance racing. 100% of endurance racing is about loving to do it....NO ONE MAKES A LIVING racing these....and the guys we love are the guys like Wiens holding down a job and raising a family....because we can closely relate (for me anyway) That said, how serious does someone like Lance or Levi take it? If you say they take it serious, then they have the same passion as all of us (it's not about the paycheck!)...which is a pretty cool thing.

    I'm just glad they're racing with you all and not at the High Cascades next week...that way i don't finish 4 hours behind the winner...maybe just 3 1/2.
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    I'm thinking that any pro roadies (Lance, Levi, whoever..) who just finished Le Tour will come out on top esp considering that Leadville is a dusty road ride...

    Then of the current pros entered Bishop is the best of the bunch at this distance. JHK and Wells are only a minute or 3 faster than JB in XC races, at which they still specialize in. He is a marathon/hundie guy with several wins at SM100. Over a 7hr effort he wins. Altitude is the only thing I see stopping him from besting those 2.

    And you gotta wonder what a NUE guy would do. Schalk is a beast and was winning Breck until he flatted twice, walked for a bit, was 30 minutes off Josh when he finally got a tube and still nearly caught him. He was stronger than Josh that day, at altitude. And he has beaten Bishop and Eatough before. Who else? Tanguay? Beck? Pflug on SS?

    Then I would consider the old wood...Weins, Tinker and Ned finishing somewhere after the currently pro roadies/knobbies..

    Real interesting. Can't wait til Lance does a technical 100 miler. This is powder puff.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Roger___
    I'm just glad they're racing with you all and not at the High Cascades next week...that way i don't finish 4 hours behind the winner...maybe just 3 1/2.
    Actually, I've gotten kind of used to those kind of time gaps. See ya @ HC 100 You're gonna love that race.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 8Shakes
    Then I would consider the old wood...Weins, Tinker and Ned finishing somewhere after the currently pro roadies/knobbies..
    I predict that all of the above will be top 10 finishers. BTW, last I heard Lance was Colorado State MTB champion (at least in 2009), won it on a course that was considered to be quite technical... there's no question that he can ride the chunk.

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    He also infrequently races against the best semi-pros in Texas and beats them handily on difficult trails.

    There's no need to go back as far as 1999 to find something about Lance Armstrong's MTB creds. He was reportedly neck-and-neck last year with JHK at Mellow Johnny's before flatting. I was there at the Miles of DisComfort Marathon this year, which he won by ten minutes, with 2/3 of the field DNFing due to the terrible conditions: thawed mud over limestone.

    I won't make any predictions; I'm going to pull for Todd Wells and JHK, but I wouldn't be surprised to be surprised

    Quote Originally Posted by sdcadbiker
    I predict that all of the above will be top 10 finishers. BTW, last I heard Lance was Colorado State MTB champion (at least in 2009), won it on a course that was considered to be quite technical... there's no question that he can ride the chunk.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LMN
    Rode away from a guy who was paid proffesional 15 years ago? A guy who has a real job a family and doesn't get paid to ride his bike. .
    Last time I checked Lance has 5 kids, an ex-wife, a couple of high profile ex-girlfriends, and worldwide foundation that raises gazillions of dollars for cancer research etc... Oh yeah, and he's now a Coloradan!

    LMN, take your silly hater stuff elsewhere! Each one of those pro-mtbrs, if they could, would be racing the pro tour in Europe, as that's where the $$ are. They aren't good enough, a' la Cadel, and thus race the juniors.

    Peace out!!

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    go ned

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    Quote Originally Posted by LyncStar
    LMN, take your silly hater stuff elsewhere! Each one of those pro-mtbrs, if they could, would be racing the pro tour in Europe, as that's where the $$ are. They aren't good enough, a' la Cadel, and thus race the juniors.

    Peace out!!
    What silly hater stuff? The fact that I think MTBers can beat the roadie is a MTB race? Isn't this a MTB forum?

    I can't speek for JHK and Tod but I know most of the Canadian guys pretty well and they have no interest in racing on the road.

    Riders at level of Absalon are constantly approached to race on the road. But I think Sauser said it best "not interested in the doctors that go with road racing".
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    Quote Originally Posted by TunicaTrails
    He also infrequently races against the best semi-pros in Texas and beats them handily on difficult trails.

    There's no need to go back as far as 1999 to find something about Lance Armstrong's MTB creds. He was reportedly neck-and-neck last year with JHK at Mellow Johnny's before flatting. I was there at the Miles of DisComfort Marathon this year, which he won by ten minutes, with 2/3 of the field DNFing due to the terrible conditions: thawed mud over limestone.

    I won't make any predictions; I'm going to pull for Todd Wells and JHK, but I wouldn't be surprised to be surprised

    From everything I have heard both Lance and Levi can ride a MTB. Both are suppose to be very good technically.

    I just don't think they will have the engines at Leadville to match the MTB guys. Now if they brought their Tour de France form to Leadville then it going to take a better MTBer then JHK or Tod to match them. But four week after the tour, I don't think the form will be there.

    It will be intersting to see.
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    I think LMN is a smart guy, but Lance has taken enough crap from people.

    And this:
    http://www.usacycling.org/results/in...&info_id=20736

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    Quote Originally Posted by LMN
    But I think Sauser said it best "not interested in the doctors that go with road racing".
    Almost too good to be true. This is a cut and paste from sauserwind.com. Take a gander at what Susi would do if not MTB (i've highlighted same for you, and included that last question which just shows how RAD CO is):

    Name: Sauser Christoph
    Nickname: Susi
    Adress: Grönstrasse4, 3655 Sigriswil
    Date of Birth: 13. April 1976
    Birthplace: Sigriswil
    Educaton: Metallurgylaboratorist
    Maritual Status: Single
    Racing Since: 1993
    Personal Sponsors: DCM chrome, VW Multivan, Sigriswil, Sponser Nutrition, , Fitnesspark Oberhofen
    Weight: 63-68kg
    Height: 1.81m
    Puls range: 36bpm-185bpm

    What Specialized bikes do you ride?

    S-Works Carbon Epic for racing, S-Works Stumpjumper and Enduro for the real fun, Tarmac SL2 and Roubaix on the road, Stumpjumper hardtail 29er for commuting

    What's your favorite food?

    Marroni, fresh bread, pizza, homemade burger. Actually I like anything, it just depends on quality and how it is cooked.

    What‘s your favorite fluid?
    Water, draft beer, red wine, coffee, and nothing else really.

    Any hobbies outside of cycling?
    backcountry skiing, reading, snowboarding, relaxing, cooking

    If you weren't a pro mountain bike racer, what would you be?
    road pro, military pilot, ski jumper


    What has been your best riding experience?

    Freeriding with backpack from hotels to hotels after the racing seasons. This is a great way to have fun with friends and still being active. Well, it can get also over the top for after season fun. The routes on the hiking maps look always short in time, and we end up riding into the night. The one day years ago we did not find the trail in the darkness any more and it was midnight after we arrived in a small mountain village. Luckily there was something like a holiday apartment we could sleep in. Now I always have a light in the backpack with me!

    And the worst?

    On a long road trip to Italy I stopped the car near Brescia and went for a road ride. On the way back it got dark, and I did not find my car any more. It was freezing cold, and had to ride in the rush hour without lights. It took me for ever until I found the car again!
    In racing I have to say the 2008 World Marathon Championships, a title that was robbed from me.

    Where's your favorite place to mountain bike?

    Alps, Colorado, Monaco

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    Hey I roll called you on the Norcal page

    Quote Originally Posted by jms
    Actually, I've gotten kind of used to those kind of time gaps. See ya @ HC 100 You're gonna love that race.

    But then I just read Mike's update via email..and checked the site...looks like you can camp at Wanoga Fr. and Sat. night which is awesome...because after getting my HC Crawler (sp?) of beer...I'll be crawling into the back of my truck.

    I'm jonesing to ride there....after CCP we went to Bend and my wife rode a bit while I hung out with our daughter swimming. She would call me on the cell.. "honey, you'd love this...it's awesome...blah blah blah." So I'll get all I can eat next week. LOL

    I'll be in a silver 05 Tundra...arriving sometime around 1 to 2 on Friday. I'll keep any eye out for the Westi.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bnelson
    go ned
    That's my dark horse, and another Coloradan!! Let's here if for The LUNG!!!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by LyncStar
    Wait, your telling me, that if these so called Canadians were good enough to race on a pro tour team and make hundreds of K per year, they'd eschew same for the love of the dirt? I smell something coming from ya, LMN!

    By the way, to imply that doping doesn't occur in mtb, makes me think you be tokin' big time, mon!
    Do you think there is no money in MTBing? A top level MTBer makes more them a domestique on the road.

    Ryder still doesn't make as the guy who nipped him for so many MTB world championships, Julian Absalon.

    And BTW I know there is doping on the dirt but not to the same degree as on the road. I also know you can win a MTB world cup clean. Can the tour be won clean? Well I certainly hope it can be now, but I don't know that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LyncStar
    If you weren't a pro mountain bike racer, what would you be?
    road pro, military pilot, ski jumper
    Well if I could find the old article I would post it. But that is not going to happen. Enjoy your victory.

    I think most MTBers would agree that their second choice to being a Mountain biker is a road racer.

    Yeah and Colorado is a nice place. Probably the best place to be a mountain biker in the US. I have done a bit of riding there, not enough, but enough to want to go back some day.

    Although I did not particularly enjoy the altitude, it hurt.

    BTW my top four is Wells, JHK, Levi, Lance.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LMN
    Do you think there is no money in MTBing? A top level MTBer makes more them a domestique on the road.

    Ryder still doesn't make as the guy who nipped him for so many MTB world championships, Julian Absalon.

    And BTW I know there is doping on the dirt but not to the same degree as on the road. I also know you can win a MTB world cup clean. Can the tour be won clean? Well I certainly hope it can be now, but I don't know that.
    You are comparing one of the best mountain bikers of the past decade with domestiques? C'mon now!

    I'm guessing Ryder is up for a major raise, and will be making more than if he stayed in mtb.

    At the end of the day, I could give a rip, I just want to break 9. Anyone got some whiskey and beer? I hear that really improves ones chances at Pb'ville!!!


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    Quote Originally Posted by LMN
    I just don't think they will have the engines at Leadville to match the MTB guys. Now if they brought their Tour de France form to Leadville then it going to take a better MTBer then JHK or Tod to match them. But four week after the tour, I don't think the form will be there.

    It will be intersting to see.
    Yeah,just look at last year's results.Lance placed in the TDF,and was totally destroyed by the MTB'ers in PBville......Oh wait,that's right-he actually set a new course record at PBville.....
    Were you not aware of this??
    That being said,I will be hoping for someone other than the uniballer to win this year,the competition is stiffer for sure.

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    [QUOTE=LyncStar]You are comparing one of the best mountain bikers of the past decade with domestiques? C'mon now!

    I'm guessing Ryder is up for a major raise, and will be making more than if he stayed in mtb.
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    Well when you are talking about guys like JHK and Wells you have to compare their salaries to domestiques. I would expect after some transition time they would be as good on the road as they on the dirt. Both of them are good but they aren't world cup winners and once they learned the ropes on the road and developed the specific fitness they would make superb domestiques.

    That has always been the trend. With exception of Miguel Martinez when MTBers switch the road they end up relatively about the same level they were on the dirt.

    Ryder did get a sweet raise. He was making surprisingly little money on his old contract (under 50K before bonuses). Ironically he was making significantly less money then he made back in the day racing on the dirt. Note: salaries on the dirt are not what they once were.

    At the top well Absalon and Andy Schleck make the same salary.
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    So, here's what I want to know: now that Fishers are Fisher Collection by Trek, will Lance be on a Superfly 100 (or plain ol' Superfly) instead of a Trek 26er? I'm guessing 'yes'.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mudge
    So, here's what I want to know: now that Fishers are Fisher Collection by Trek, will Lance be on a Superfly 100 (or plain ol' Superfly) instead of a Trek 26er? I'm guessing 'yes'.
    I thought that he rode Superflys in the past Leadville races anyways. I'm sure others will confirm.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jkirkpatri
    I thought that he rode Superflys in the past Leadville races anyways. I'm sure others will confirm.
    Nope. Check the videos. FS 26" Treks, both times. He's raced a SF in TX a few times before, but for the big 'exposure' races he rides his Trek, since they're paying the big bucks.

    If he'd been on a SF last year, he might have set the record he was after (IMO).

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    Quote Originally Posted by jkirkpatri
    I thought that he rode Superflys in the past Leadville races anyways. I'm sure others will confirm.
    Nope, Fuels.
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    In that case, I bet we'll see him in a Superfly 100 with Trek stickers

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    Quote Originally Posted by jkirkpatri
    In that case, I bet we'll see him in a Superfly 100 with Trek stickers
    He could've done that last year, but it wouldn't have fooled anyone then, either. This year, however, he CAN ride a 2011 'Gary Fisher Collection' by TREK Superfly and won't need funky stickers. The real question is, now that he's not bound by sponsorship contracts to a company that only makes 26" bikes, will he ride a 26" or 29" bike.

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    Let's argue over how well Barry Bonds and Sammy Sosa would do playing cricket in India.

    Quote Originally Posted by Roger___
    I think it'll be interesting how in their prime mtb pros will compete against successful world level vet pro road racers..given it is a different field of play so to speak....

    in the big picture of professional cycling...I've always thought similar to baseball there being a farm system (USA road, mtb, cx racing) and the pros (Europe racing). JHK and Todd Wells might be candidates for MVP of the Triple A league (USA mtbing and CX)....but riders like L and L are successful veteran big league players on the world scene.

    Interested to follow, if they do race.

    Best of luck to those of you racing too!

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    Quote Originally Posted by jasondean
    TiRyder, I heard you were aiming to take down Lance and Levi with some wild elbows and taunting. LOL!

    Just kidding of course. Should be fun to watch play out. Love to see Dave W. an unknown get the win. But won't kid myself too much. Good luck to all the folks racing L-Ville.
    Dang...who let the cat outta the bag? Fraker? - hes such a loudmouth.

    Personally, I just hope someone beats Lance. And to those that talk about riding and racing for passion, not a paycheck with regards to Lance, his only passion continues to be to see his own name all over the place, its called EGO. He doesnt have to worry about money at all.

    There are a lot of folks that will at least put pressure on those guys, they very well might crack.
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    i wish schalk would show up to leaville, he killled it yesterday. bishop showed up but got fourth. i dont know if he ran into any problems though

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