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    Levi v. Lance at L'ville...

    who wins? My money is on Levi with a sprint victory up the boulevard!

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    Quote Originally Posted by LyncStar
    who wins? My money is on Levi with a sprint victory up the boulevard!
    Do you think they will race each other or one will work for the other? I thought Lance was putting together a "Team" of pro roadies and mtbers, including Levi. I see Levi helping Lance, Lance doesnt help other racers. Lance said he was gonna at Le Tour after his fall, but never really saw that happen. He was pretty much just cruising along.

    More interesting to me is that I think there will be other "teams" competing against Lance and crew. I would imagine there will be other groups trying to knock them off. Wouldnt be surprised if Team Ergon puts something together in terms of pacing and drafting to keep Weins as close as possible. I imagine there are more than a few out therre who have, wisely or not, Lance in their sites.

    Overend, Tinker, Jeremiah Bishop (who does pretty well for himself on the NUE Series of 100 milers) as well as several other Pros will be out there with teams and support crews.

    Should be very interesting.

    I am just trying to get a buckle, shooting for 11:00 so really will not hear much till way later, but will be interesting to watch the first batches of leaders pass down columbine as I am climbing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TiRyder
    Do you think they will race each other or one will work for the other? I thought Lance was putting together a "Team" of pro roadies and mtbers, including Levi. I see Levi helping Lance, Lance doesnt help other racers. Lance said he was gonna at Le Tour after his fall, but never really saw that happen. He was pretty much just cruising along.

    More interesting to me is that I think there will be other "teams" competing against Lance and crew. I would imagine there will be other groups trying to knock them off. Wouldnt be surprised if Team Ergon puts something together in terms of pacing and drafting to keep Weins as close as possible. I imagine there are more than a few out therre who have, wisely or not, Lance in their sites.

    Overend, Tinker, Jeremiah Bishop (who does pretty well for himself on the NUE Series of 100 milers) as well as several other Pros will be out there with teams and support crews.

    Should be very interesting.

    I am just trying to get a buckle, shooting for 11:00 so really will not hear much till way later, but will be interesting to watch the first batches of leaders pass down columbine as I am climbing.

    I'd heard lance mention team effort on the movie, but I think he and levi are going head to head. I think the whole team concept for a mtb endurance race sucks. It should be one man/woman, his/her bike, and the mountain(s)! I'm racing again for the first time since 2007, and hoping to break 9. We'll see!! I just looked at my training for '07 and I had a lot more volume than I do this year I'm also 42 instead of 39

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    Whatever Lance and Levi do they'll have a tough go with MTB pros like JHK and Todd Wells taking the start this year.
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    You really think so?

    Quote Originally Posted by dmccune
    Whatever Lance and Levi do they'll have a tough go with MTB pros like JHK and Todd Wells taking the start this year.
    I think it'll be interesting how in their prime mtb pros will compete against successful world level vet pro road racers..given it is a different field of play so to speak....

    in the big picture of professional cycling...I've always thought similar to baseball there being a farm system (USA road, mtb, cx racing) and the pros (Europe racing). JHK and Todd Wells might be candidates for MVP of the Triple A league (USA mtbing and CX)....but riders like L and L are successful veteran big league players on the world scene.

    Interested to follow, if they do race.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dmccune
    Whatever Lance and Levi do they'll have a tough go with MTB pros like JHK and Todd Wells taking the start this year.
    Leadville is not nearly technical enough (d'oh!) to give a pro mtb'r any advantage whatsoever, IMO. The real issue is who can handle that much elevation gain at that elevation over that distance. I'd tip my hat to a Euro-pro roadie climber w/ minimal mtb experience over the typical, or even top, pro mtb'r. Especially if said Euro-pro roadie climber just spent a month-long training camp in France.

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    TiRyder, I heard you were aiming to take down Lance and Levi with some wild elbows and taunting. LOL!

    Just kidding of course. Should be fun to watch play out. Love to see Dave W. an unknown get the win. But won't kid myself too much. Good luck to all the folks racing L-Ville.
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    I saw Lance on course yesterday riding alone. He was working hard on the upper Powerline...

    Can't wait to see how it all plays out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Roger___
    I think it'll be interesting how in their prime mtb pros will compete against successful world level vet pro road racers..given it is a different field of play so to speak....
    Interested to follow, if they do race.

    Best of luck to those of you racing too!
    +1

    And it's a playing field [course] that doesn't really require one to be a great technician, which definitely does nothing to favor dedicated mountain bike pros over more road oriented racers.

    Pretty much straight up who's got the most horsepower at altitude, on a course where team tactics can have an influence on the outcome.

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    Weins said last year that he is done training to win at pbville,gonna focus more on his family,etc...Who knows? I hope he was bluffing.Also,Overend has entered,I dont think he can win,but the old man is a contender to place.I think jhk will blow up and fade at the end.The Bailey hundo was a low elevation race,the altitude at pbville will get cha!
    Whatever happens,it will be an interesting race for sure.I look forward to seeing who passes me first from the turnaround as I am struggling up Columbine.Last year Lance was riding so fast down Columbine that the moto had trouble keeping up with him in the twisty sections!

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    Quote Originally Posted by TiRyder
    Overend, Tinker, Jeremiah Bishop (who does pretty well for himself on the NUE Series of 100 milers) as well as several other Pros will be out there with teams and support crews.
    To put things into perspective: I did a local SoCal 56mi endurance race (vision quest) earlier this year where Tinker, Manny Prado (finished right behind Lance in 2008), and Jeremiah Bishop raced.
    I finished about 2+ hrs behind them. I tried to keep up with Tinker at a 12hr race in June that's was laughable....these dudes are fast!!!!

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    My friend Guy Sutton came in 6th at VQ this year in 5:30; Guy also pushed Tinker really hard at the Temecula 12 hrs you talked about. He rides the same pace as Nate Whitman who finished Leadville in 7:40 a couple years back.

    So, add 40% to your VQ finishing time and you have a prediction of your Leadville time.

    I raced against Guy in the Julian Death March this year, he finished in 6:43, I took 8:57. Extrapolating from this my Leadville time will be about 10 hours.

    This is all utter nonsense of course but I'm having fun playing with my calculator

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    It will be interesting but I don't expect Lance or Levi to able to match JHK or Wells. Yes, the course doesn't give an MTBer an advantage, and both Lance and Levi are very competent on a MTB as it is. It is the time of year that should give the MTBers the advantage.

    Both Lance and Levi are at the end of their seasons. Their form is probably dropping, JHK and Well we be getting ready for worlds. They should be reaching peak form.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LMN
    It will be interesting but I don't expect Lance or Levi to able to match JHK or Wells. Yes, the course doesn't give an MTBer an advantage, and both Lance and Levi are very competent on a MTB as it is. It is the time of year that should give the MTBers the advantage.

    Both Lance and Levi are at the end of their seasons. Their form is probably dropping, JHK and Well we be getting ready for worlds. They should be reaching peak form.
    Do either of those guys race endurance??

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    Quote Originally Posted by LyncStar
    Do either of those guys race endurance??
    Both dabble.

    But lets be realistic the best endurance MTBers are the guys racing world cup XC. It is just a minor tweak of a program to have an XC racer ready for 100 miler.
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    I gotta think Lance or Levi will come away with this one. Would like to see Jeremiah, or JHK come away with it, but I think the road pros are gonna make a day of it pretty quickly. Anybody know if Jeff Schlak is racing or does he only do the NUE series stuff? I don't think Jeff or for that matter Jeremiah are great at altitude anyway, but JHK lives in Winter Park so that could factor in?? Fingers crossed JHK for the win!!!!

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    The altitude specialist needs to be there. Where's Tostado in the mix. He'd be one to look out for. He owns the Breck 100. I'd like to see him throw down there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jnails
    I don't think Jeff or for that matter Jeremiah are great at altitude anyway

    btw, jeff came in second 3 weeks ago 10 minutes behind josh tostado in the breck 100...i dont think he can be considered "not that good at alititude"


    also, i dont know where josh is, but jeff schalk just registered in PA at the wilderness 101 which he has won the last like 2 or 3 years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sdcadbiker
    My friend Guy Sutton came in 6th at VQ this year in 5:30; Guy also pushed Tinker really hard at the Temecula 12 hrs you talked about. He rides the same pace as Nate Whitman who finished Leadville in 7:40 a couple years back.

    So, add 40% to your VQ finishing time and you have a prediction of your Leadville time.

    I raced against Guy in the Julian Death March this year, he finished in 6:43, I took 8:57. Extrapolating from this my Leadville time will be about 10 hours.

    This is all utter nonsense of course but I'm having fun playing with my calculator
    i was at temecula when on the first lap, gerry cody beat tinker with a sprint out on the first lap, lol. then gerry turned a 38min lap 2 laps later (but he was on 3 man team).

    gerry got 25th last year with 8:30 i think.

    also, nate whitman is stronger than ever right now and gerry has been living in leadville for the past month! gerry's the non sponsored dark horse! not that he will win but he will mix it up with the top guys at least until he blows up.

    of course this has nothing to do with this thread

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    Quote Originally Posted by hobiesmith
    of course this has nothing to do with this thread
    So?

    I'm approaching "analysis paralysis" over this stupid "Leadville" thing! Just gimme the damn buckle already!!

    Back on topic, anyone who thinks that roadies who have just done TdF will be too fried to challenge JHK needs their head examined! Last year Lance got bored and just rode away from the entire field...

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    Quote Originally Posted by sdcadbiker
    So?

    I'm approaching "analysis paralysis" over this stupid "Leadville" thing! Just gimme the damn buckle already!!

    Back on topic, anyone who thinks that roadies who have just done TdF will be too fried to challenge JHK needs their head examined! Last year Lance got bored and just rode away from the entire field...
    Rode away from a guy who was paid proffesional 15 years ago? A guy who has a real job a family and doesn't get paid to ride his bike.

    Lets see how he does against the best american MTBers in their prime.

    Wait it has happened already. Lance did a little bit of mountain bike racing way back in 1999, just after he had won his first tour. He road most of the race at the front but couldn't handle the high pace and blew up last lap. I believe Rolland Green was the guy who cracked him, but back then a good day for Rolland was 30th at a world cup.

    Technical skills may have been difference but technicals skills were far and I mean far from Rolland's strength.

    Checkout the name of the kid who was 7th right behind the Armstrong.

    1. Roland Green (Can) Team GT 2.12.07
    2. Travis Brown (USA) Trek-Volkswagen 0.48
    3. Luke Stockwell (Aus) Qranc-Sram 1.14
    4. Geoff Kabush (Can) Kona Factory 2.27
    5. Jimi Killen (USA) Diamondback 2.52
    6. Lance Armstrong (USA) Trek-Volkswagen 3.27
    7. Ryder Hesjedal (Can) Fisher-U/Saab 4.07
    8. Jess Swiggers (USA) Fisher-U/Saab 4.08
    9. Steve Larsen (USA) LL Bean/Mongoose 4.47
    10. Tinker Juarez (USA) Volvo-Cannondale 5.01


    BTW the rumour mill has it that because of the massive endurance training required for racing grand tour Ryder doesn't have the same power numbers that he had as a MTBer.
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    K. Obviously I beg to differ.
    We can discuss this some more in 16 days
    I'll be happy to admit to being wrong but I don't think I'll have to...

    BTW, I can't believe you're so scathing about the other pros in last year's race...

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    Quote Originally Posted by sdcadbiker
    BTW, I can't believe you're so scathing about the other pros in last year's race...

    All those guys will fully admit that they are past their prime. Dave Wiens will race occasionally against the younger guys. Fifteen years ago he would have given them a run for their money but nowadays life slows him down.

    The other guys in the top 10 are very fast but they are not world class MTBers.
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    Lets see how he does against the best american MTBers in their prime.

    that was my earlier opinion on this....farm league vs major league.

    And Ryder is Canadian.

    I'm a big fan of the mtb pro's that have gone to europe and are succeeding. Cadel and Ryder being on the top of the list....and I'm a fan too of TW and JHK.

    The other thing that is intangible is kind of what you brought up and is really what is great about endurance racing. 100% of endurance racing is about loving to do it....NO ONE MAKES A LIVING racing these....and the guys we love are the guys like Wiens holding down a job and raising a family....because we can closely relate (for me anyway) That said, how serious does someone like Lance or Levi take it? If you say they take it serious, then they have the same passion as all of us (it's not about the paycheck!)...which is a pretty cool thing.

    I'm just glad they're racing with you all and not at the High Cascades next week...that way i don't finish 4 hours behind the winner...maybe just 3 1/2.
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    I'm thinking that any pro roadies (Lance, Levi, whoever..) who just finished Le Tour will come out on top esp considering that Leadville is a dusty road ride...

    Then of the current pros entered Bishop is the best of the bunch at this distance. JHK and Wells are only a minute or 3 faster than JB in XC races, at which they still specialize in. He is a marathon/hundie guy with several wins at SM100. Over a 7hr effort he wins. Altitude is the only thing I see stopping him from besting those 2.

    And you gotta wonder what a NUE guy would do. Schalk is a beast and was winning Breck until he flatted twice, walked for a bit, was 30 minutes off Josh when he finally got a tube and still nearly caught him. He was stronger than Josh that day, at altitude. And he has beaten Bishop and Eatough before. Who else? Tanguay? Beck? Pflug on SS?

    Then I would consider the old wood...Weins, Tinker and Ned finishing somewhere after the currently pro roadies/knobbies..

    Real interesting. Can't wait til Lance does a technical 100 miler. This is powder puff.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Roger___
    I'm just glad they're racing with you all and not at the High Cascades next week...that way i don't finish 4 hours behind the winner...maybe just 3 1/2.
    Actually, I've gotten kind of used to those kind of time gaps. See ya @ HC 100 You're gonna love that race.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 8Shakes
    Then I would consider the old wood...Weins, Tinker and Ned finishing somewhere after the currently pro roadies/knobbies..
    I predict that all of the above will be top 10 finishers. BTW, last I heard Lance was Colorado State MTB champion (at least in 2009), won it on a course that was considered to be quite technical... there's no question that he can ride the chunk.

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    He also infrequently races against the best semi-pros in Texas and beats them handily on difficult trails.

    There's no need to go back as far as 1999 to find something about Lance Armstrong's MTB creds. He was reportedly neck-and-neck last year with JHK at Mellow Johnny's before flatting. I was there at the Miles of DisComfort Marathon this year, which he won by ten minutes, with 2/3 of the field DNFing due to the terrible conditions: thawed mud over limestone.

    I won't make any predictions; I'm going to pull for Todd Wells and JHK, but I wouldn't be surprised to be surprised

    Quote Originally Posted by sdcadbiker
    I predict that all of the above will be top 10 finishers. BTW, last I heard Lance was Colorado State MTB champion (at least in 2009), won it on a course that was considered to be quite technical... there's no question that he can ride the chunk.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LMN
    Rode away from a guy who was paid proffesional 15 years ago? A guy who has a real job a family and doesn't get paid to ride his bike. .
    Last time I checked Lance has 5 kids, an ex-wife, a couple of high profile ex-girlfriends, and worldwide foundation that raises gazillions of dollars for cancer research etc... Oh yeah, and he's now a Coloradan!

    LMN, take your silly hater stuff elsewhere! Each one of those pro-mtbrs, if they could, would be racing the pro tour in Europe, as that's where the $$ are. They aren't good enough, a' la Cadel, and thus race the juniors.

    Peace out!!

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    go ned

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    Quote Originally Posted by LyncStar
    LMN, take your silly hater stuff elsewhere! Each one of those pro-mtbrs, if they could, would be racing the pro tour in Europe, as that's where the $$ are. They aren't good enough, a' la Cadel, and thus race the juniors.

    Peace out!!
    What silly hater stuff? The fact that I think MTBers can beat the roadie is a MTB race? Isn't this a MTB forum?

    I can't speek for JHK and Tod but I know most of the Canadian guys pretty well and they have no interest in racing on the road.

    Riders at level of Absalon are constantly approached to race on the road. But I think Sauser said it best "not interested in the doctors that go with road racing".
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    Quote Originally Posted by TunicaTrails
    He also infrequently races against the best semi-pros in Texas and beats them handily on difficult trails.

    There's no need to go back as far as 1999 to find something about Lance Armstrong's MTB creds. He was reportedly neck-and-neck last year with JHK at Mellow Johnny's before flatting. I was there at the Miles of DisComfort Marathon this year, which he won by ten minutes, with 2/3 of the field DNFing due to the terrible conditions: thawed mud over limestone.

    I won't make any predictions; I'm going to pull for Todd Wells and JHK, but I wouldn't be surprised to be surprised

    From everything I have heard both Lance and Levi can ride a MTB. Both are suppose to be very good technically.

    I just don't think they will have the engines at Leadville to match the MTB guys. Now if they brought their Tour de France form to Leadville then it going to take a better MTBer then JHK or Tod to match them. But four week after the tour, I don't think the form will be there.

    It will be intersting to see.
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    I think LMN is a smart guy, but Lance has taken enough crap from people.

    And this:
    http://www.usacycling.org/results/in...&info_id=20736

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    Quote Originally Posted by LMN
    But I think Sauser said it best "not interested in the doctors that go with road racing".
    Almost too good to be true. This is a cut and paste from sauserwind.com. Take a gander at what Susi would do if not MTB (i've highlighted same for you, and included that last question which just shows how RAD CO is):

    Name: Sauser Christoph
    Nickname: Susi
    Adress: Grönstrasse4, 3655 Sigriswil
    Date of Birth: 13. April 1976
    Birthplace: Sigriswil
    Educaton: Metallurgylaboratorist
    Maritual Status: Single
    Racing Since: 1993
    Personal Sponsors: DCM chrome, VW Multivan, Sigriswil, Sponser Nutrition, , Fitnesspark Oberhofen
    Weight: 63-68kg
    Height: 1.81m
    Puls range: 36bpm-185bpm

    What Specialized bikes do you ride?

    S-Works Carbon Epic for racing, S-Works Stumpjumper and Enduro for the real fun, Tarmac SL2 and Roubaix on the road, Stumpjumper hardtail 29er for commuting

    What's your favorite food?

    Marroni, fresh bread, pizza, homemade burger. Actually I like anything, it just depends on quality and how it is cooked.

    What‘s your favorite fluid?
    Water, draft beer, red wine, coffee, and nothing else really.

    Any hobbies outside of cycling?
    backcountry skiing, reading, snowboarding, relaxing, cooking

    If you weren't a pro mountain bike racer, what would you be?
    road pro, military pilot, ski jumper


    What has been your best riding experience?

    Freeriding with backpack from hotels to hotels after the racing seasons. This is a great way to have fun with friends and still being active. Well, it can get also over the top for after season fun. The routes on the hiking maps look always short in time, and we end up riding into the night. The one day years ago we did not find the trail in the darkness any more and it was midnight after we arrived in a small mountain village. Luckily there was something like a holiday apartment we could sleep in. Now I always have a light in the backpack with me!

    And the worst?

    On a long road trip to Italy I stopped the car near Brescia and went for a road ride. On the way back it got dark, and I did not find my car any more. It was freezing cold, and had to ride in the rush hour without lights. It took me for ever until I found the car again!
    In racing I have to say the 2008 World Marathon Championships, a title that was robbed from me.

    Where's your favorite place to mountain bike?

    Alps, Colorado, Monaco

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    Hey I roll called you on the Norcal page

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    Actually, I've gotten kind of used to those kind of time gaps. See ya @ HC 100 You're gonna love that race.

    But then I just read Mike's update via email..and checked the site...looks like you can camp at Wanoga Fr. and Sat. night which is awesome...because after getting my HC Crawler (sp?) of beer...I'll be crawling into the back of my truck.

    I'm jonesing to ride there....after CCP we went to Bend and my wife rode a bit while I hung out with our daughter swimming. She would call me on the cell.. "honey, you'd love this...it's awesome...blah blah blah." So I'll get all I can eat next week. LOL

    I'll be in a silver 05 Tundra...arriving sometime around 1 to 2 on Friday. I'll keep any eye out for the Westi.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bnelson
    go ned
    That's my dark horse, and another Coloradan!! Let's here if for The LUNG!!!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by LyncStar
    Wait, your telling me, that if these so called Canadians were good enough to race on a pro tour team and make hundreds of K per year, they'd eschew same for the love of the dirt? I smell something coming from ya, LMN!

    By the way, to imply that doping doesn't occur in mtb, makes me think you be tokin' big time, mon!
    Do you think there is no money in MTBing? A top level MTBer makes more them a domestique on the road.

    Ryder still doesn't make as the guy who nipped him for so many MTB world championships, Julian Absalon.

    And BTW I know there is doping on the dirt but not to the same degree as on the road. I also know you can win a MTB world cup clean. Can the tour be won clean? Well I certainly hope it can be now, but I don't know that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LyncStar
    If you weren't a pro mountain bike racer, what would you be?
    road pro, military pilot, ski jumper
    Well if I could find the old article I would post it. But that is not going to happen. Enjoy your victory.

    I think most MTBers would agree that their second choice to being a Mountain biker is a road racer.

    Yeah and Colorado is a nice place. Probably the best place to be a mountain biker in the US. I have done a bit of riding there, not enough, but enough to want to go back some day.

    Although I did not particularly enjoy the altitude, it hurt.

    BTW my top four is Wells, JHK, Levi, Lance.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LMN
    Do you think there is no money in MTBing? A top level MTBer makes more them a domestique on the road.

    Ryder still doesn't make as the guy who nipped him for so many MTB world championships, Julian Absalon.

    And BTW I know there is doping on the dirt but not to the same degree as on the road. I also know you can win a MTB world cup clean. Can the tour be won clean? Well I certainly hope it can be now, but I don't know that.
    You are comparing one of the best mountain bikers of the past decade with domestiques? C'mon now!

    I'm guessing Ryder is up for a major raise, and will be making more than if he stayed in mtb.

    At the end of the day, I could give a rip, I just want to break 9. Anyone got some whiskey and beer? I hear that really improves ones chances at Pb'ville!!!


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    Quote Originally Posted by LMN
    I just don't think they will have the engines at Leadville to match the MTB guys. Now if they brought their Tour de France form to Leadville then it going to take a better MTBer then JHK or Tod to match them. But four week after the tour, I don't think the form will be there.

    It will be intersting to see.
    Yeah,just look at last year's results.Lance placed in the TDF,and was totally destroyed by the MTB'ers in PBville......Oh wait,that's right-he actually set a new course record at PBville.....
    Were you not aware of this??
    That being said,I will be hoping for someone other than the uniballer to win this year,the competition is stiffer for sure.

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    [QUOTE=LyncStar]You are comparing one of the best mountain bikers of the past decade with domestiques? C'mon now!

    I'm guessing Ryder is up for a major raise, and will be making more than if he stayed in mtb.
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    Well when you are talking about guys like JHK and Wells you have to compare their salaries to domestiques. I would expect after some transition time they would be as good on the road as they on the dirt. Both of them are good but they aren't world cup winners and once they learned the ropes on the road and developed the specific fitness they would make superb domestiques.

    That has always been the trend. With exception of Miguel Martinez when MTBers switch the road they end up relatively about the same level they were on the dirt.

    Ryder did get a sweet raise. He was making surprisingly little money on his old contract (under 50K before bonuses). Ironically he was making significantly less money then he made back in the day racing on the dirt. Note: salaries on the dirt are not what they once were.

    At the top well Absalon and Andy Schleck make the same salary.
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    So, here's what I want to know: now that Fishers are Fisher Collection by Trek, will Lance be on a Superfly 100 (or plain ol' Superfly) instead of a Trek 26er? I'm guessing 'yes'.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mudge
    So, here's what I want to know: now that Fishers are Fisher Collection by Trek, will Lance be on a Superfly 100 (or plain ol' Superfly) instead of a Trek 26er? I'm guessing 'yes'.
    I thought that he rode Superflys in the past Leadville races anyways. I'm sure others will confirm.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jkirkpatri
    I thought that he rode Superflys in the past Leadville races anyways. I'm sure others will confirm.
    Nope. Check the videos. FS 26" Treks, both times. He's raced a SF in TX a few times before, but for the big 'exposure' races he rides his Trek, since they're paying the big bucks.

    If he'd been on a SF last year, he might have set the record he was after (IMO).

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    Quote Originally Posted by jkirkpatri
    I thought that he rode Superflys in the past Leadville races anyways. I'm sure others will confirm.
    Nope, Fuels.
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    In that case, I bet we'll see him in a Superfly 100 with Trek stickers

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    Quote Originally Posted by jkirkpatri
    In that case, I bet we'll see him in a Superfly 100 with Trek stickers
    He could've done that last year, but it wouldn't have fooled anyone then, either. This year, however, he CAN ride a 2011 'Gary Fisher Collection' by TREK Superfly and won't need funky stickers. The real question is, now that he's not bound by sponsorship contracts to a company that only makes 26" bikes, will he ride a 26" or 29" bike.

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    Let's argue over how well Barry Bonds and Sammy Sosa would do playing cricket in India.

    Quote Originally Posted by Roger___
    I think it'll be interesting how in their prime mtb pros will compete against successful world level vet pro road racers..given it is a different field of play so to speak....

    in the big picture of professional cycling...I've always thought similar to baseball there being a farm system (USA road, mtb, cx racing) and the pros (Europe racing). JHK and Todd Wells might be candidates for MVP of the Triple A league (USA mtbing and CX)....but riders like L and L are successful veteran big league players on the world scene.

    Interested to follow, if they do race.

    Best of luck to those of you racing too!

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    Quote Originally Posted by jasondean
    TiRyder, I heard you were aiming to take down Lance and Levi with some wild elbows and taunting. LOL!

    Just kidding of course. Should be fun to watch play out. Love to see Dave W. an unknown get the win. But won't kid myself too much. Good luck to all the folks racing L-Ville.
    Dang...who let the cat outta the bag? Fraker? - hes such a loudmouth.

    Personally, I just hope someone beats Lance. And to those that talk about riding and racing for passion, not a paycheck with regards to Lance, his only passion continues to be to see his own name all over the place, its called EGO. He doesnt have to worry about money at all.

    There are a lot of folks that will at least put pressure on those guys, they very well might crack.
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    i wish schalk would show up to leaville, he killled it yesterday. bishop showed up but got fourth. i dont know if he ran into any problems though

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    Quote Originally Posted by TiRyder
    Dang...who let the cat outta the bag? Fraker? - hes such a loudmouth.

    Personally, I just hope someone beats Lance. And to those that talk about riding and racing for passion, not a paycheck with regards to Lance, his only passion continues to be to see his own name all over the place, its called EGO. He doesnt have to worry about money at all.

    There are a lot of folks that will at least put pressure on those guys, they very well might crack.
    Not that I'm a LA fan, so don't misunderstand. I'm not defending him, I'm questioning you. You've never met him, right? How do you know, or claim to know, anything about him or his motives?

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    Lol...

    Quote Originally Posted by johnlh
    Let's argue over how well Barry Bonds and Sammy Sosa would do playing cricket in India.
    nice one...you can take this statement off into so many tangent threads!
    You need to add in a couple India cricket allstars though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hobiesmith
    i wish schalk would show up to leaville, he killled it yesterday. bishop showed up but got fourth. i dont know if he ran into any problems though
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    Wicked hard winderness 101. 4th after a few mechanicals and a late race bonk. killer training day though!

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    Quote Originally Posted by mudge
    Not that I'm a LA fan, so don't misunderstand. I'm not defending him, I'm questioning you. You've never met him, right? How do you know, or claim to know, anything about him or his motives?
    Dont get me wrong, he has done a lot of great stuff, not just for cycling, but for cancer as well as other things. I hope the guy keeps it up.

    I have mostly formed my opinion of Lance by watching races, reading his own books as well as other peoples books that contain statements and facts/issues, and reading articles - both with interviews directly from him as well as other teammates and racers. I have also been in and around the industry for about 12 years and observe and hear things that might not necessarily be completely public knowledge.

    I am sure that you as well as every other human on the planet has opinions and thoughts regarding people they have never met in person.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TiRyder
    Dang...who let the cat outta the bag? Fraker? - hes such a loudmouth
    LOL, Indeed! In between coughs and hacks, and trying to get out of being the fast one in our duo assault at the 18 Hours/Scouts Honor! Good luck and have fun out there. I could use some high mountain riding about right now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TiRyder
    Dont get me wrong, he has done a lot of great stuff, not just for cycling, but for cancer as well as other things. I hope the guy keeps it up.

    I have mostly formed my opinion of Lance by watching races, reading his own books as well as other peoples books that contain statements and facts/issues, and reading articles - both with interviews directly from him as well as other teammates and racers. I have also been in and around the industry for about 12 years and observe and hear things that might not necessarily be completely public knowledge.

    I am sure that you as well as every other human on the planet has opinions and thoughts regarding people they have never met in person.
    You know what they say about opinions- they're like a$$ holes, everyone has one and most of 'em stink.

    You bet I've got opinions. I just don't share them, at least my opinions about people, written as if they're facts, with just anyone.

    As for LA's ego, of course he has an ego. Practically anyone who's ever accomplished anything on the scale of any one of his major accomplishments has an ego. It comes with the territory.

    I'm just sayin'

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    i really don't care about pro-roadies that need to stroke their ego by racing in endurance mountain bike races.

    maybe give them their own category. beg/sport/exp/pro/dopers....really at their level of training, support and nutritional(special go-fast pills) superiority, what kind of racing is that?


    sure lets put these genetically advanced guys on the latest undetectable drugs/blood doping, let them train all year hopped up like that and then lets watch them race against guys who work full time jobs, have families, are very fast without extra help and do this more out of love of riding than making money or ego.

    maybe tie a parking block onto lances bike with a chain and let him race that way. at least that would be more of a race. or make him carry all his water for the race.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Roger___
    nice one...you can take this statement off into so many tangent threads!
    You need to add in a couple India cricket allstars though.
    They wouldn't even compare to Suresh Raina. Better yet, put these guys in a time machine, and there is no way they could be successful batsmen against the likes of Bhagwat Subramanya Chandrasekhar.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OilcanRacer
    i really don't care about pro-roadies that need to stroke their ego by racing in endurance mountain bike races.

    maybe give them their own category. beg/sport/exp/pro/dopers....really at their level of training, support and nutritional(special go-fast pills) superiority, what kind of racing is that?


    sure lets put these genetically advanced guys on the latest undetectable drugs/blood doping, let them train all year hopped up like that and then lets watch them race against guys who work full time jobs, have families, are very fast without extra help and do this more out of love of riding than making money or ego.

    maybe tie a parking block onto lances bike with a chain and let him race that way. at least that would be more of a race. or make him carry all his water for the race.
    How are you so sure that it's about their egos, instead of maybe just wanting to challenge themselves on a mtb like everyone else who's racing there?

    Do you really believe that the top mtb racers are the 40hr work week/families/fast without extra help kinda folks you describe them as?

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    Should be interesting. I didn't know KHK, Bishop, or Wells where plannning on doing the race. Should add some spice to have some top of the line US MTB talent in the race.

    The Leadville course IMO, doesn't give much of an advantage to a pro MTBer over a pro roadie who has a big motor and passable MTB skills (both of which LA and Levi have). I've always wondered what a guy like LA could do against the top of the heap endurance guys like Shaulk and Tostado on a course like the Breckenridge 100 that is serious MTB terrain. Aside from altitude, Leadville just isn't hard enough. A lot of it comes down to how serious LA and Levi are taking the race and if they are really training for it or not.

    In addition, while I know MTB pros are very capable of stretching their race time out, most WC and US XC races are 2ish hours at most, pro tour races are 5-6 hours as the norm. That could play a role. I would think Bishop, who has a lot more MTB ultra endurance experience could be the bigger threat than JHK or Wells.

    And Weins, well, no doubt, mid 40s is usually not considered someones prime he but did ride to third at Marathon nationals and not because of a lot of mechanicals in front of him, he was strong as hell. I think that since he is not a full time pro anymore and has a wife (not just any wife BTW) and kids, people are almost making him out to be a weekend warrior with a pot belly driving the kids to soccer games in the daddy wagon which he certainly is not. I'll guess he puts in not a whole lot less seat time (although a lot less race time) than he did when he was at the top of his game. All that said though, I doubt he'll be in the same league as the younger full time guys who race every weekend.

    If he does indeed show, it would be fun to see Ned.10 years older than Weins and still among the elite. Not too many athletes have had that kind of longevity.

    As to LAs motives, I certainly don't know but I suspect, he just really likes bike racing. From what I understand, Leadville, being on the other side of the pass from his part time home in Aspen, he kind of did the race the first time just as a whim and something to keep him in shape and it kind of re-lit his competitive fire and provided the motivation to re-enter Euro pro racing. (which IMO was a mistake, but that another topic...). Deep down at it's most basic level, I think like a lot of us, the guy just loves to race bikes.

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    Not exactly on topic, but instead of Leadville, I would LOVE to see these same entrants race the Butte 100 in Montana. IMO, that is a course that would give an advantage to an uber-rider that also had true mtb skills. For comparison, the Butte 100 makes the Cascade Creampuff 100 seem like, well, a creampuff.

    Not to say the Creampuff 100 is easy, but roughly 25% more calories for the Butte 100, per Mr. Garmin, FWIW.
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    Lance passed me headed inbound on the dam in 2009 as I was headed up to Columbine. That was demoralizing. I thought it was bad in 2008 when he and Dave whizzed past me halfway up Columbine. Worse yet, we were the only bikers on the dam at the time and they still cut me out of the movie!

    The pros have absolutely no bearing on my race or strategy. Moreover, I could care less how they do, other than Dave W whom you must adore based upon his past performance, humility and being, generally, a great guy. Pbville, to me, is about overcoming physical and psychological obstacles incurred during a long day on the bike. The presence of all the pros in the world are of no consequence. In fact, they just make the race more popular and more crowded. See you all at 6th and Harrison in twelve (12) days!
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    Quote Originally Posted by mudge

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    Quote Originally Posted by zrm
    I would think Bishop, who has a lot more MTB ultra endurance experience could be the bigger threat than JHK or Wells.
    I would love to see Jedediah Bisquick spank LA but not sure that will materialize. LA should come race the Pisgah Stage Race where JB really would put the hurt on..

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    My money's on Levi. Assuming Lance shows, I think those two will push each other to a course record either way, especially now that Columbine has been graded.

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    Quote Originally Posted by EBrider
    ...especially now that Columbine has been graded.
    Really?

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    Quote Originally Posted by 6thElement
    Really?
    Yep, about a month ago.

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    Quote Originally Posted by EBrider
    My money's on Levi. Assuming Lance shows, I think those two will push each other to a course record either way, especially now that Columbine has been graded.
    Where did the Levi rumor come from? He's racing the Tour of Utah on August 17th so I doubt he's racing Leadville.

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    Quote Originally Posted by numchuks
    Where did the Levi rumor come from? He's racing the Tour of Utah on August 17th so I doubt he's racing Leadville.
    http://singletrack.competitor.com/20...gn=singletrack

    http://www.leadvilletrail100.com/lt1...rantsList.aspx

    I guess if you're Levi you can do both.

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    Quote Originally Posted by EBrider
    Man, that is odd. That is going to shave off a good bit of time going both ways.

    Leadville is a really cool race, in a beautiful setting, but it is the scene that makes it unique. The whole Lance Effect and the Chlouber ego have damaged it some in my opinion to the point that I may never return, but I believe that it is still a race every endurance mountain biker should try to race at some point in their life. It is a once in a lifetime experience.

    That said, a race like the Breck 100 is a whole different creature. Racing balls out at altitude at Leadville is hard in its own right (even if similar to a road race) b/c you are running all out the entire time to meet your goal, whatever that may be. However, a race like the Breck 100 not only tests your climbing abilities and your technicals skills, but it just beats the ever living hell out of you all day long. There are essentially no flat sections or downhill sections (until the very end and near copper), where you can just take it easy and recover. The roots and rocks will knock you off your bike if you aren't paying attention.

    Anyway, it would be interesting to see how guys like Lance, who are probably pretty good bike handlers, would fare with that kind of constant beating to their bodies. It brings in a whole other element. Plus, the inability to really draft in a team style road race manner, while others fall away, creates an entirely different challenge. Some riders are more suited for that kind of riding, and some are not. Hopefully we will get the chance to see that kind of matchup in the years to come. Due to timing issues (middle of summer for Breck 100), maybe get a guy like that or two out at Vapor Trail or somesuch in September. Then again, they might F that up too!

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    Quote Originally Posted by goliver
    ...That is going to shave off a good bit of time going both ways...Leadville is a really cool race, in a beautiful setting, but it is the scene that makes it unique. The whole Lance Effect and the Chlouber ego have damaged it some in my opinion to the point that I may never return, but I believe that it is still a race every endurance mountain biker should try to race at some point in their life...Racing balls out at altitude at Leadville is hard in its own right (even if similar to a road race) b/c you are running all out the entire time to meet your goal, whatever that may be. However, a race like the Breck 100 not only tests your climbing abilities and your technicals skills, but it just beats the ever living hell out of you all day long...Some riders are more suited for that kind of riding, and some are not...
    Wow -- I agree with everything you said and have been thinking about contributing to this thread but I'm glad I didn't until now -- you (goliver) said it so much better than I would have. Just needed to applaud and second your insights: the course will definitely be faster with the grading of Columbine, Coulber is both why the race is great and why it might implode, going fast is difficult no matter the course, and some courses are more suitable to different types of riders. I hope the weather cooperates and all who are racing have a good time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by goliver
    Man, that is odd. That is going to shave off a good bit of time going both ways.

    Leadville is a really cool race, in a beautiful setting, but it is the scene that makes it unique. The whole Lance Effect and the Chlouber ego have damaged it some in my opinion to the point that I may never return, but I believe that it is still a race every endurance mountain biker should try to race at some point in their life. It is a once in a lifetime experience.

    That said, a race like the Breck 100 is a whole different creature. Racing balls out at altitude at Leadville is hard in its own right (even if similar to a road race) b/c you are running all out the entire time to meet your goal, whatever that may be. However, a race like the Breck 100 not only tests your climbing abilities and your technicals skills, but it just beats the ever living hell out of you all day long. There are essentially no flat sections or downhill sections (until the very end and near copper), where you can just take it easy and recover. The roots and rocks will knock you off your bike if you aren't paying attention.

    Anyway, it would be interesting to see how guys like Lance, who are probably pretty good bike handlers, would fare with that kind of constant beating to their bodies. It brings in a whole other element. Plus, the inability to really draft in a team style road race manner, while others fall away, creates an entirely different challenge. Some riders are more suited for that kind of riding, and some are not. Hopefully we will get the chance to see that kind of matchup in the years to come. Due to timing issues (middle of summer for Breck 100), maybe get a guy like that or two out at Vapor Trail or somesuch in September. Then again, they might F that up too!
    Yeah, I've never said Leadville is easy, it's just from a MTB point of view, it's an easier course than a lot of or even most of other 100 mile MTB races out there, at least in the west. Regardless of all the pavement and graded dirt roads, it's still at altitude and it still has some very real climbing. Interestingly enough, with the "Lance effect" it has brough out probably the most star studded field of pro racers for a 100 miler (some of the top NUE riders excepted). Kind of ironic really, the easiest course brings out the deepest field.

    No, what makes Leadville what it is is it's a course that is feasible by the typical fit, mtn biker and that's a good thing IMO. I would guess that 1/2 to 2/3 of the field of Leadville would be overmatched by something like the Breck 100 or the other really tough 100 milers out there. I would agree though, that it's something someone should experience at least once if they are into ultra endurance MTB. What makes Leadville, Leadville isn't the course, it's the scene..

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    Quote Originally Posted by PeT
    Wow -- I agree with everything you said and have been thinking about contributing to this thread but I'm glad I didn't until now -- you (goliver) said it so much better than I would have. Just needed to applaud and second your insights: the course will definitely be faster with the grading of Columbine, Coulber is both why the race is great and why it might implode, going fast is difficult no matter the course, and some courses are more suitable to different types of riders. I hope the weather cooperates and all who are racing have a good time.
    Thanks PeT. I appreciate it. I, too, hope the weather cooperates and the heavy hitters get to throw down. If the big guys can hang on through Columbine, then Powerline will be where the throwdown occurs. That sucker is certainly long enough and steep enough to spit all but the strongest off the back, most likely for good.

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    Yeah, I've never said Leadville is easy, it's just from a MTB point of view, it's an easier course than a lot of or even most of other 100 mile MTB races out there, at least in the west. Regardless of all the pavement and graded dirt roads, it's still at altitude and it still has some very real climbing. Interestingly enough, with the "Lance effect" it has brough out probably the most star studded field of pro racers for a 100 miler (some of the top NUE riders excepted). Kind of ironic really, the easiest course brings out the deepest field.

    No, what makes Leadville what it is is it's a course that is feasible by the typical fit, mtn biker and that's a good thing IMO. I would guess that 1/2 to 2/3 of the field of Leadville would be overmatched by something like the Breck 100 or the other really tough 100 milers out there. I would agree though, that it's something someone should experience at least once if they are into ultra endurance MTB. What makes Leadville, Leadville isn't the course, it's the scene..
    I agree, it is ironic that the least technical course is the one that brings out the most star studded field. The altitude and the history behind the town certainly have a very strange, unique hold on folks. It is certainly a sublime, beautiful scene in the early morning hours in the center of town with thousands of other riders and spectators, the tents and masses of crowds at Twin Lakes, the turn around point at 12k when heading back to the house, the little dude in a red, white and blue kit running up the Powerline alongside the riders and the ride across the the red carpet at the finishing line....pretty good stuff.

    I also agree that it is a course that is feasible by the typical fit, mtn biker, which is kind of like Ironman events are, generally. I guess it makes it a little more appealing to the crowds compared to a race like the Breck 100, which is tough for even very good, seasoned racers to finish (much less compete), but doesn't have the glamour or the name recognition to take back to one's friends in Any State USA.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mudge


    Do you really believe that the top mtb racers are the 40hr work week/families/fast without extra help kinda folks you describe them as?

    yes for the most part, pro mtb racers cannot survive on what they make from races. there are more racers than money payout also. endurance racing is even less profitable.

    as a whole pro mtb racers do not dope. i am sure there are those that do, but again, without the high money payout, why do it for this kind of racing.


    if you compare that to pro road racing where you need to supplement your highly genetic abilities just to keep up. winning small road races will net sometimes as much as a whole year of mtb racing.

    europe is where all the racing money is and where most of the doping goes on. high stakes, high risks. proven fact.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OilcanRacer
    yes for the most part, pro mtb racers cannot survive on what they make from races. there are more racers than money payout also. endurance racing is even less profitable.

    as a whole pro mtb racers do not dope. i am sure there are those that do, but again, without the high money payout, why do it for this kind of racing.


    if you compare that to pro road racing where you need to supplement your highly genetic abilities just to keep up. winning small road races will net sometimes as much as a whole year of mtb racing.

    europe is where all the racing money is and where most of the doping goes on. high stakes, high risks. proven fact.
    You missed my point. I wasn't implying that the top mtb racers dope, but implying that they're not 40hr a week cubicle monkeys.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mudge
    He could've done that last year, but it wouldn't have fooled anyone then, either. This year, however, he CAN ride a 2011 'Gary Fisher Collection' by TREK Superfly and won't need funky stickers. The real question is, now that he's not bound by sponsorship contracts to a company that only makes 26" bikes, will he ride a 26" or 29" bike.
    Well here you go:

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    Quote Originally Posted by LMN
    Rode away from a guy who was paid proffesional 15 years ago? A guy who has a real job a family and doesn't get paid to ride his bike.

    Lets see how he does against the best american MTBers in their prime.

    Wait it has happened already. Lance did a little bit of mountain bike racing way back in 1999, just after he had won his first tour. He road most of the race at the front but couldn't handle the high pace and blew up last lap. I believe Rolland Green was the guy who cracked him, but back then a good day for Rolland was 30th at a world cup.

    Technical skills may have been difference but technicals skills were far and I mean far from Rolland's strength.

    Checkout the name of the kid who was 7th right behind the Armstrong.

    1. Roland Green (Can) Team GT 2.12.07
    2. Travis Brown (USA) Trek-Volkswagen 0.48
    3. Luke Stockwell (Aus) Qranc-Sram 1.14
    4. Geoff Kabush (Can) Kona Factory 2.27
    5. Jimi Killen (USA) Diamondback 2.52
    6. Lance Armstrong (USA) Trek-Volkswagen 3.27
    7. Ryder Hesjedal (Can) Fisher-U/Saab 4.07
    8. Jess Swiggers (USA) Fisher-U/Saab 4.08
    9. Steve Larsen (USA) LL Bean/Mongoose 4.47
    10. Tinker Juarez (USA) Volvo-Cannondale 5.01


    BTW the rumour mill has it that because of the massive endurance training required for racing grand tour Ryder doesn't have the same power numbers that he had as a MTBer.
    If memory serves me right, LA dropped back to help pull Travis Brown, his Trek teammate, back into the race after a flat. The 2nd place earned Brown the Norba overall that year. Lance was mostly doing this race for fun and publicity in the US, being that the Tour was still years from getting more than 30 min of coverage per day on ESPN.
    Although, LA was quoted as saying that race was the hardest thing he's ever done on a bike.

    I do think JHK has a shot at taking LA. But LA has had some good training for Leadville this year, not just the Tour. His strong showing at Flanders is more comparable to Leadville, IMO.

    JHK meanwhile has had some good training with the Bailey Hundo and the Firecracker 50. The latter of which has almost as much vertical as Leadville, in about half of the distance but at almost the same elevation. In contrast, the Tour's climbs top out much lower than the base of Leadville. And he lives at elevation for most of the summer, at Winter Park, as opposed to just a couple weeks for LA.

    I think it will be a good race between the two, but in reality they are both racing for Trek. I don't think Levi will be much of a factor, he never looked all that good during the tour.

    Personally, I think Josh Tostado would win over both of them, if he were in it. That guy crushes on the endurance side of mtbing. He's won the hardest 100 miler mtb race (Breck 100) 6 years in a row. Leadville would be more like a sprint to him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shoulderfu
    Yeah,just look at last year's results.Lance placed in the TDF,and was totally destroyed by the MTB'ers in PBville......Oh wait,that's right-he actually set a new course record at PBville.....
    Were you not aware of this??
    That being said,I will be hoping for someone other than the uniballer to win this year,the competition is stiffer for sure.
    I agree
    These guys are not sitting on the couch drinking beers the 4 weeks after the TDF. 2008 Lance could not keep up with DW and finished second. 2009 after the Tour he set a new record

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    Quote Originally Posted by EBrider
    Yeah - after all, those guys spend weeks in a row racing for hours a day. I don't see why he couldn't do a 7 hour race on Saturday then start the Tour of Utah 3 days later... Not like us mortals who will need a few days or more to recover.

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    What is the best tire set up for Leadville?

    Lance will take Levi at Leadville.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tylerford
    What is the best tire set up for Leadville?

    Lance will take Levi at Leadville.
    Entire books have been written on that subject!! That said, the lighter the better. I run tubeless, with a Maxxis Aspen up front and a Stan's Raven in back. Wiens rode Stan's Crows from and back in 07 and 08. Not sure about last year.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LyncStar
    Entire books have been written on that subject!! That said, the lighter the better. I run tubeless, with a Maxxis Aspen up front and a Stan's Raven in back. Wiens rode Stan's Crows from and back in 07 and 08. Not sure about last year.
    Excellent suggestion. I was going to suggest Ravens front/rear, but the Aspen is a great choice, too. Another good choice is the Bontrager 29-3 TLR (the front version, at least). Rolls really well and great traction in all but the sloppiest mud (which, of course, you won't encounter at Leadville).

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    Last year Wiens was on the Continental Race King 2.2 set up tubeless with Stan's on DT Swiss carbon rims. For 2010 he is going with the new Continental X-King 2.2 set up with Stan's on the DT Swiss Carbon rims.

    <a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/jeffkerkove/4875985938/" title="Wiens 2010 Leadville 100 wheels by Jeff Kerkove, on Flickr"><img src="http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4098/4875985938_edaa91020d.jpg" width="500" height="375" alt="Wiens 2010 Leadville 100 wheels" /></a>

    More info on these new 2011 tires: http://www.flickr.com/photos/jeffker...7624545797754/

    With that said....as far as tires go, choose something that rolls fast. Course is very mellow....non-aggressive tire is not needed, even if it is wet.

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    Thanks

    Thanks for sharing his tire set up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KERKOVEJ
    Last year Wiens was on the Continental Race King 2.2 set up tubeless with Stan's on DT Swiss carbon rims. For 2010 he is going with the new Continental X-King 2.2 set up with Stan's on the DT Swiss Carbon rims.

    <a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/jeffkerkove/4875985938/" title="Wiens 2010 Leadville 100 wheels by Jeff Kerkove, on Flickr"><img src="http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4098/4875985938_edaa91020d.jpg" width="500" height="375" alt="Wiens 2010 Leadville 100 wheels" /></a>

    More info on these new 2011 tires: http://www.flickr.com/photos/jeffker...7624545797754/

    With that said....as far as tires go, choose something that rolls fast. Course is very mellow....non-aggressive tire is not needed, even if it is wet.
    You going to be at Leadville? I want to get set up with a pair of your Ergon's.

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    Sorry, Ergon will not be at Leadville....there is no expo. I do know the shop(s) it town sell Ergon.

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    what do you recommend?

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    Quote Originally Posted by tylerford
    what do you recommend?
    It is totally personal preference. I suggest any of the GX models...as these are the lightest and race specific. Wiens uses the GX2 Carbon. Yuki Saito (also racing Sat) is racing the GX1....and I use the GX3 (I am not racing).

    If you don't get a GX model, the the small size of the GR2 or GP1 is another great option. I suggest the smalls as 90% of the grips Ergon sell to mtbers riding off-road and racing opt for the small for more hand wrap on the grip.

    Disclaimer: I do work for Ergon USA in marketing and customer service.

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    Lance training on a Superfly with JHK. Lance chose the HT and JHK chose FS.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kADizwcA9wA

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    Quote Originally Posted by LMN
    Both dabble.

    But lets be realistic the best endurance MTBers are the guys racing world cup XC. It is just a minor tweak of a program to have an XC racer ready for 100 miler.

    Completely disagree. Fueling and hydration become much more important and difficult to "nail" the longer a race gets. Many great XC racers will go out hard in a 100 and then face in the second half of the race. After a couple of hours your body starts to run low on glycogen and is forced to start burning more fat for fuel. How well an athlete can do THAT will largely determine how hard you can keep going over the longer distances. World Cup XC racers are the fastest MTBr's out there in that distance, but there is more to it than that when you start looking at longer stuff.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KERKOVEJ
    Last year Wiens was on the Continental Race King 2.2 set up tubeless with Stan's on DT Swiss carbon rims. For 2010 he is going with the new Continental X-King 2.2 set up with Stan's on the DT Swiss Carbon rims.

    <a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/jeffkerkove/4875985938/" title="Wiens 2010 Leadville 100 wheels by Jeff Kerkove, on Flickr"><img src="http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4098/4875985938_edaa91020d.jpg" width="500" height="375" alt="Wiens 2010 Leadville 100 wheels" /></a>

    More info on these new 2011 tires: http://www.flickr.com/photos/jeffker...7624545797754/

    With that said....as far as tires go, choose something that rolls fast. Course is very mellow....non-aggressive tire is not needed, even if it is wet.

    The two prior years his set up was Stan's ZTRs 355s with Crows. Given the grading of columbine the prior comment about fast rolling tire is even more on point!

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    Team racing and Mountain bike races...whats next support vehicles and bike swaps?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ketchd
    Completely disagree. Fueling and hydration become much more important and difficult to "nail" the longer a race gets. Many great XC racers will go out hard in a 100 and then face in the second half of the race. After a couple of hours your body starts to run low on glycogen and is forced to start burning more fat for fuel. How well an athlete can do THAT will largely determine how hard you can keep going over the longer distances. World Cup XC racers are the fastest MTBr's out there in that distance, but there is more to it than that when you start looking at longer stuff.
    Just my $.02.
    You do realise that every pro MTBer worth anything does 6-7 hour days on the road and MTB regularly. Seriously, you act like 100 miles is a big deal. The World Cup guys would school all the endurance specialists if they cared enough to race them. Also, look at Marathon worlds just completed, 66mi dominated by World Cup guys. Winning time was 3.50....think about that for a second. Extrapolate that out and you are looking at 6 hours for a 100mi race on a "real" course (not some Leadville dirt road race) even if they slowed towards the end.
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    Altitude...

    Quote Originally Posted by Rivet
    You do realise that every pro MTBer worth anything does 6-7 hour days on the road and MTB regularly. Seriously, you act like 100 miles is a big deal. The World Cup guys would school all the endurance specialists if they cared enough to race them. Also, look at Marathon worlds just completed, 66mi dominated by World Cup guys. Winning time was 3.50....think about that for a second. Extrapolate that out and you are looking at 6 hours for a 100mi race on a "real" course (not some Leadville dirt road race) even if they slowed towards the end.
    Rivet: While I agree with your supposition that WC pros are quite capable of competing well in endurance MTB events, your extrapolation is leaving out a critical factor: Altitude. Perhaps you have never raced above 10,000'? The altitude of the Leadville course factors in to how fast it could be completed by, say, Julien Absalon. None of the European races MTB races I am aware of are held at any considerable altitude, even the fittest and acclimatised rider, will ride slower at very high altitudes-it is just not possible to ride the pace at 11K as it is at 4K, for anyone.
    RE LA, JHK, et al. LA has been training at altitude to prepare for Leadville, JHK is also very well prepared in terms of altitude, as should be other US based pros (because MTB Nationals is at altitude as well). Has Levi been preparing altitude?

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    here is lance, JHK, nate whitman and gerry cody on a training ride from 2 days ago.

    shows lance on superfly and JHK on superfly 100

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kADiz...layer_embedded

    rumor has it that ned is a no show

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    Yuki Saito's race bike for this weekend: http://www.facebook.com/album.php?ai...id=39715877874

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    Quote Originally Posted by KERKOVEJ
    Yuki Saito's race bike for this weekend: http://www.facebook.com/album.php?ai...id=39715877874

    I have pics coming from Dave after he gets home from his day job. Yes, Dave has a day job just like the rest of us

    jeff i was hoping you would be there this year. i know you can beat lance!

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    Quote Originally Posted by barrows
    Rivet: While I agree with your supposition that WC pros are quite capable of competing well in endurance MTB events, your extrapolation is leaving out a critical factor: Altitude. Perhaps you have never raced above 10,000'? Has Levi been preparing altitude?
    Altitude is actually fairly easy for a low lander to prepare for. One of the easiest way to do it is to ride in heat. Recently physiologist have found that training in heat has a similar effect to training at altitude.

    Probably the biggest disadvantage for low landers is pacing. Some one who lives and trains at alitude knows you can't sprint up climbs, a low lander has discover that one.

    Both my wife and I live at low altitude and although both of us find that racing at altitude hurts our results are no different.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Phknlwyr
    Pbville, to me, is about overcoming physical and psychological obstacles incurred during a long day on the bike. The presence of all the pros in the world are of no consequence.
    Might as well sub out "Pbville" for W101, SM100, or any other 100-miler or 12+ hour endurance race. Part of me thinks it's awesome to see some pros show up at these events but it can (and has) become a circus. Too much attention gets focused on 4 or 5 names.

    I have a whole lot more respect for the weekend-warrior that struggles across the line at 14 hours than I do the MTB pro or TDF vet that breezes across in under 7. yeah, they worked hard for that time but think about who hurt more and faced down more internal demons. Just another day on the bike for dudes like Lance. Achievement of a lifetime for those that finish at the back.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LMN
    Altitude is actually fairly easy for a low lander to prepare for. One of the easiest way to do it is to ride in heat. Recently physiologist have found that training in heat has a similar effect to training at altitude.
    I live and train in Phoenix at about 1500' elevation. When we ride in Flagstaff, which is 7500'+, I really don't feel any altitude effects. I'm very acclimated to the heat in summer and generally ride mid day when it's 110° or more, and it actually feels comfortable. So maybe that theory does hold some salt.......
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