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    Leadville 2013

    Why is nobody talking about Leadville this year? The drawing is in a couple weeks. I did it last year and signed up for the drawing again this year. Is the hype over on this race?

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    Hopefully...

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    I'm doing one of the qualifying races and I'm wondering, if I'm "lucky" enough to win a spot via the qualifying race lottery, if I'll accept it or not. I hear too much about the headache of too many riders, not enough hotel rooms, blah, blah blah. Not to mention the price. Main reason I'm doing the qualifier is it's at a sweet trail here in Texas.
    Small ring in front makes it easier. Small ring in back makes it harder. That blows my mind.

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    with the amount of riders and upped cost, this race quickly dropped of my "list"

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    I'll try to do it next year; this one I don't want to deal with all the things that are involved ($, time, vacations, etc)
    Definitely must do it at least once
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    If you get picked in the lottery and then do well in a qualifying race, do you get to move up to a better corral?

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    Yup

    Quote Originally Posted by Oro D View Post
    If you get picked in the lottery and then do well in a qualifying race, do you get to move up to a better corral?
    I got in via the lottery and raced in the 50, they put me in a better corral based on my finish time in the 50. Not sure if the same is true of all the qualifiers though. I was a first timer last year too, so it was really nice not to start at the very back of the pack.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Oro D View Post
    If you get picked in the lottery and then do well in a qualifying race, do you get to move up to a better corral?
    The answer to your question is: Yes....Last year riders who did qualifiers were moved up from the last corral based on a prorated finish time at their qualifiers....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Old Joe View Post
    The answer to your question is: Yes....Last year riders who did qualifiers were moved up from the last corral based on a prorated finish time at their qualifiers....
    take it for what it's worth as this guys a known doper.

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    Quote Originally Posted by peabody View Post
    take it for what it's worth as this guys a known doper.
    Mr. Mattice: I will give you ample opportunity to prove the validity of your statement in a court of law. Have a good day.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Old Joe View Post
    Mr. Mattice: I will give you ample opportunity to prove the validity of your statement in a court of law. Have a good day.
    LOL, see you at Leadville oldman

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    Yikes... That escalated quickly All the smack talk and what not...

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    Maybe because enough people are realizing that Leadville while certainly having it's niche, is greatly overrated when compared to most other 100 mile races out there

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    Quote Originally Posted by zrm View Post
    Maybe because enough people are realizing that Leadville while certainly having it's niche, is greatly overrated when compared to most other 100 mile races out there
    Yea, would much rather do the Breck 100...

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    Quote Originally Posted by claystrick View Post
    Yea, would much rather do the Breck 100...
    Me too, the Breck race makes Leadville look like a warm up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zrm View Post
    Maybe because enough people are realizing that Leadville while certainly having it's niche, is greatly overrated when compared to most other 100 mile races out there

    Concur.



    Quote Originally Posted by Canyon93108
    with the amount of riders and upped cost, this race quickly dropped of my "list"

    Yeah, and I also feel the lottery is mostly likely a 'random' (not) drawing...Leadville is off my list.


    Plus, when you think of it, it is a 90+ mile dirt road race...I think there is what, only 2-3 miles Singletrack?


    Much better and more challenging races out there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RSW42 View Post
    Plus, when you think of it, it is a 90+ mile dirt road race...I think there is what, only 2-3 miles Singletrack?

    Much better and more challenging races out there.
    I can understand that any given race might not be your cup of tea, but I'm always a bit put off by denigration of Leadville or "Race X" as not being "challenging". I've been trying to break 20 minutes on the local flat 5K race for years -- as a crappy, injury-prone runner that's a huge challenge. I broke 9 hours at Leadville my first time and as my first distance race I was conservative and it wasn't too hard. Well, the next three times I was shooting to break 8 hours and let me tell you it was damn hard.

    There are lots of reasons for not caring for a race (cost, organization deficiencies, boring terrain, too much altitude, too muggy, too hot, too far away), but if it's not challenging enough it's your own problem. Even when Wiens was winning going away, and the dopers were laying waste to the records, I think they were honest in their assessment that it was a hard, challenging race. They made it that way by pushing themselves, and you can do the same thing by shooting for a personal best.

    For the record, I haven't entered the Leadville 100 race for years and won't go again because of the cost and organizational issues. I'll never grump about riding in the mountains, be it a dirt road or single track, and thin air is my friend, but I can't get past those two negative (for me) issues.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PeT View Post
    I'll never grump about riding in the mountains, be it a dirt road or single track, and thin air is my friend, but I can't get past those two negative (for me) issues.


    Same here...never one to grump.


    But, for the reasons you mentioned, Leadville is not worth the effort to even get in.


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    To me, Leadville's about riding the high country, Boom Days celebration, fishing, history, exploring the mining districts, increadable views and wildflowers, and just hanging out and riding with my friends. The race puts and exclaimation point on a great week.

    It seems to me that the people who rag the most on the LT100 have never done it or tried it and DNF'd.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zignzag View Post
    To me, Leadville's about riding the high country, Boom Days celebration, fishing, history, exploring the mining districts, increadable views and wildflowers, and just hanging out and riding with my friends. The race puts and exclaimation point on a great week.


    I hear you...


    I love combining a race with a weekend of outdoor exploration, etc...


    Quote Originally Posted by Zignzag View Post
    It seems to me that the people who rag the most on the LT100 have never done it or tried it and DNF'd.


    Never done LT100. After years of putting my name in the "Lottery", never got picked...then this "qualifier" nonsense kicked in...
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    2013 Lameville!

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    "Lameville" ? Not very positive. It is better than alot of events in terms of organization and support. And it may be dirt roads but it is still challenging. Just tired of the hate. And I have been rejected so I have room to comment.

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    I always wanted to experience Leadville, just never got around to it because of a lot of the reasons outlined above. Anyway, here is a great race outside of Colorado that could be a consideration. The Park City Point 2 Point, registration drops this Friday the 15th, and it sells out quick. Get details at thepcpp.com

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    In reality you can make any race as hard or easy as you want.

    In 2010 did 24 In enchanted forest. Rode 112miles

    In 2011 did the PCP2P rode 90 something.

    In 2012 Leadville. 103

    The 24hr race tired me out. Long Fing day
    P2P was just plane cruel. Broke me!
    Leadville was enjoyable

    Now training plays it's roll. Train hard and often if you want to do well, but don't hate on anything It's all riding your bike. Enjoy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 29or6to4 View Post
    In reality you can make any race as hard or easy as you want.

    Amen...

    Of all the ones I've done, I've found that the ORAMM (did it in 07, and 11) is quite savage in terms of terrain, climbing, and getting the snot beat out of you on long, rocky descents.


    But its an AWESOME race and is superbly well run and supported.



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    Re: Leadville 2013

    Quote Originally Posted by 29or6to4 View Post
    In 2011 did the PCP2P rode 90 something.
    Did you get lost? My Garmin said it was about 78-79 miles.
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    Good luck to all entered in the lottery. This will be my first attempt... guess we will see how it goes. I signed up for the Flagstaff Barn Burner qualifier as a fallback attempt at getting in. Despite the nearly incomprehensible fees and costs I would like to experience at least Leadville once. GLTA!

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    Experience is great. Cost is great.

    Anyone ever done an ironman? I haven't, but have friends that do them at a price of $600+ per event. That's a lot of $$ to shell out, not to mention adding in the bike, shoes, wetsuit, pool time, coaches, minimum nights stay in the hotel, etc. Now that's expensive all for a one day event!

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    Have any of you ever raced a NASCAR event? Now that's expensive.
    Small ring in front makes it easier. Small ring in back makes it harder. That blows my mind.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lenny7 View Post
    Have any of you ever raced a NASCAR event? Now that's expensive.




    Pays more prize money too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lenny7 View Post
    Have any of you ever raced a NASCAR event? Now that's expensive.
    Is that a sport?

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    Anyone heard back about the lottery yet?

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    I received my confirmation at 1:15 eastern time I'M IN

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    RE: Leadville 2013

    Not yet, still waiting. They posted a notice on Facebook saying they are still processing.
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    Leadville 2013

    Anyone else in yet?

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    Still waiting here- looking a little worse every hour. I will say my CC was compromised in the last couple of weeks and I saw on FB if you were picked and they are unable to charge your acct they are sending out an email sometime later today...sort of hoping that is the cause for my delay but I doubt it.

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    Leadville 2013

    It would be nice if they sent a dear John so you're not left wondering all day.

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    Agreed!

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    Well my hypothesis was right- I got in! I had an email saying my card was declined and I had to go to their site and re-pay! Anyways- the email was in my spam folder for some reason. GLTA!

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    Looks like I'm doing the Tatanka 100!

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    I didn't get in after volunteering in 2012.

    So much for the preferential lottery treatment....

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    Quote Originally Posted by norty_mtb View Post
    Is that a sport?
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    You may be surprised to know that many of those drivers are in better shape than many of us, and how much stress their racing puts on their cardio system.

    I've attended a NASCAR driving school, did a few laps at over 130mph. Can't imagine another 60-70 mph and driving closer together than a team pursuit for 400 miles.

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    Quote Originally Posted by norty_mtb View Post
    Experience is great. Cost is great.

    Anyone ever done an ironman? I haven't, but have friends that do them at a price of $600+ per event. That's a lot of $$ to shell out, not to mention adding in the bike, shoes, wetsuit, pool time, coaches, minimum nights stay in the hotel, etc. Now that's expensive all for a one day event!
    I did an IM in '88, Leadville in '09. Lots more money for the IM, both challenging, both a lot of fun. However, after Leadville I was thinking it was just another ride. The IM, on the other hand, was practically a life changing experience.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bgyglfr View Post
    Anyone else in yet?
    I'm in.
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    I met a guy last year that had volunteered for previous Leadville events and didn't make the lottery. He contacted them and told them about his past volunteering....and started one coral in front of me at last years race!

    BTW, I didn't get good news this year from them...guess I'll look to a qualifier or '14

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    Am I to assume that if a person received notice that their credit card was charged, then they got in?

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    Quote Originally Posted by speckledtrout View Post
    Am I to assume that if a person received notice that their credit card was charged, then they got in?
    Yes.

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    In that case, oh crap.

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    I did not get in, maybe next year. Now I'm looking for something else in Colorado as we'll vacation at the same time. Don't know if I have the courage to try the Breckenridge 100

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    My sister got in. I did not. I'm ok with it as I did Pbville in '08. Now I can go support her then go to Breck the next day for the epic. I've never done a stage race. I fared well at the Breck 100 two years ago and have ridden a lot of the trails out there. Hmm..3 or 6 days?

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    I'm in for the Breck Epic 3 day as well.

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    I'm starting feel like Leadville registration is a setup. Why not handle registration just like most other races, first come first served?

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    Quote Originally Posted by b_banks View Post
    I'm starting feel like Leadville registration is a setup. Why not handle registration just like most other races, first come first served?
    They wouldn't get their $15 per head just for the opportunity to get in the lottery. Pbville is a money making machine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LJ123 View Post
    They wouldn't get their $15 per head just for the opportunity to get in the lottery. Pbville is a money making machine.
    Bingo. Like I said......setup.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LJ123 View Post
    They wouldn't get their $15 per head just for the opportunity to get in the lottery. Pbville is a money making machine.
    Also they wouldn't be able to con people into volunteering as a way to get into the race which is BS. They'd have to pay more people which would eat into their profits....

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    Quote Originally Posted by LJ123 View Post
    They wouldn't get their $15 per head just for the opportunity to get in the lottery. Pbville is a money making machine.
    They must be doing something right, the get somewhere around 10,000 lottery entries. Hate the event if you want, but lots of folks obviously like it.

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    i think there are a lot better 100 milers out there to race. You race Leadville for the experience. I have done it a couple of times and the 50 a couple of times. I loved it when i did it but it is way to commercialized and expensive now. If you have not done it why not do it. If you already have save your money and try something new. A lot of great trails to ride in our country.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mudge View Post
    They must be doing something right, the get somewhere around 10,000 lottery entries. Hate the event if you want, but lots of folks obviously like it.
    Justin Bieber sells a lot of albums too... Or so I'm told.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lenny7 View Post
    Justin Bieber sells a lot of albums too... Or so I'm told.
    Am I wrong, or you implying that you're the arbiter of what's good or bad? How 'Bloomberg-ish', telling folks what they should like or what they should want.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LJ123 View Post
    They wouldn't get their $15 per head just for the opportunity to get in the lottery. Pbville is a money making machine.
    They might be money grubbing whores promoting the lamest 100 miler the western world has ever known, but the $15 entry fee is donated to local charities in the town of Leadville. Every single $$$ of it. Find another reason to hate the race that obviously 10,000 squares and poseurs love.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RyderX View Post
    They might be money grubbing whores promoting the lamest 100 miler the western world has ever known, but the $15 entry fee is donated to local charities in the town of Leadville. Every single $$$ of it. Find another reason to hate the race that obviously 10,000 squares and poseurs love.
    The last couple years, half of it has gone to IMBA as well. They suck.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mudge View Post
    Am I wrong, or you implying that you're the arbiter of what's good or bad? How 'Bloomberg-ish', telling folks what they should like or what they should want.
    No I'm making a joke while implying that just because a lot of people like something that doesn't, necessarily, mean it's good or worth the money. So yeah, you're very wrong.
    Small ring in front makes it easier. Small ring in back makes it harder. That blows my mind.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lenny7 View Post
    No I'm making a joke while implying that just because a lot of people like something that doesn't, necessarily, mean it's good or worth the money. So yeah, you're very wrong.
    So yeah, again you act as arbiter of what's good or valuable?

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    Quote Originally Posted by mudge View Post
    So yeah, again you act as arbiter of what's good or valuable?
    At first I thought you were either trolling me or a weirdo with no since of humor. But I think it's more simple than that. I think you are a Bieber fan who love Leadville. That's cool.
    Small ring in front makes it easier. Small ring in back makes it harder. That blows my mind.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lenny7 View Post
    At first I thought you were either trolling me or a weirdo with no since of humor. But I think it's more simple than that. I think you are a Bieber fan who love Leadville. That's cool.
    I have a since (sic) of humor, don't like Bieber (but think it's just fine if others do) and don't care too much one way or another about Leadville itself. Just overloaded on folks throughout society, not just here, telling others what they should/should not like, or judging what others like as bad 'cause it's not what they like. Don't know why I took it out on you. Sorry.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RyderX View Post
    but the $15 entry fee is donated to local charities in the town of Leadville. Every single $$$ of it.

    Flag on th eplay.


    I seriously doubt that.


    Yes, Lameville has morphed into a greedy enterprise...whey stop at entry fees?


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    Quote Originally Posted by RSW42 View Post
    Flag on th eplay.


    I seriously doubt that.


    Yes, Lameville has morphed into a greedy enterprise...whey stop at entry fees?


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    I am going back to Leadville for the third time. I can't wait to get there. The whole atmosphere is incredible. I get that it is a business and with every business you want to maximize your bottom line. I don't know of a business person who would work that hard to put something together and want to lose money on it just because some feel they have been cheated out of something that they think they should have as their god given right. To those that have volunteered and not gotten your entry call the race office and talk to the race director. Maybe you didn't fill your paper work out right or something got misplaced and not credited properly. I have met these folks and they are some of the hardest working people I know but they still make mistakes. I'm sure if you make your case they will reevaluate the situation. Complaining about it on this forum will get you know where. I do know that they take care of their volunteers.
    My son and I are heading to Texas in April to do a qualifier to try to get my son a spot at Leadville. We did Leadville in 2011 and want to ride together again in 2013.
    For those of you who haven't done the race, don't hate on it until you have. Once you do it you will feel that you are apart of the Leadville family.

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    So they give IMBA 20 grand and some of you guys still find a way to put a negative spin on this? why?

    Good input Thomas O. Every business in the world tries to make a profit, but when Lifetime does it, they get roasted year after year in this forum. Are they supposed to lose money? I did the race in '09 and '10, I can't really remember ever thinking about Lifetime Fitness while I was there. It was about me and my bike, and a boatload of energy created by 1300 racers. The volume of spectators is pretty surprising too.

    So after a 2 year break, I'm going to do it again. Ya know, I've spent a lot of Saturdays lounging around watching college football or skiing, or whatever. On Aug 10 I'll take my place in the front group with 1800 or so racers breathing down my neck. If you were to just boil the race down to this: "Hey, what are you doing on Saturday?" Seems like a pretty good day. Plenty of time the rest of the summer to ride singletrack.

    Oh, and if it's too expensive or you didn't get in this year...... it's OK to just move on, ...really.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rubystreet View Post
    it's OK to just move on, ...really.
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    And what if you finished on the podium at a qualifier and still didn't get in.... Then you just say "Ok. This is a huge scam and is for profit only?" What does the term "qualifier" mean to you? To me it means you qualify and participate. Not, F-off and see ya later. But that is how I was treated. So.... to clarify.... It isn't too expensive... or any other bs except that the "lottery" is fake and the "qualifier" system is also fake. This will turn more and more people away every year. Diminishing the value of an event that was once run by good people and was not just about the bottom line. It is very sad to watch it happen but that is what big corporations do to events.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FerrouSS View Post
    And what if you finished on the podium at a qualifier and still didn't get in.... Then you just say "Ok. This is a huge scam and is for profit only?" What does the term "qualifier" mean to you? To me it means you qualify and participate. Not, F-off and see ya later. But that is how I was treated. So.... to clarify.... It isn't too expensive... or any other bs except that the "lottery" is fake and the "qualifier" system is also fake. This will turn more and more people away every year. Diminishing the value of an event that was once run by good people and was not just about the bottom line. It is very sad to watch it happen but that is what big corporations do to events.
    To be fair, they didn't promise a spot to all podium finishers, but rather to class winners. In larger classes, there may have been additional slots for 2nd/3rd place finishers, but not guaranteed.

    The likelihood of others finishers getting a spot was based on whether folks who'd won a spot turning it down.

    I suppose I'd be disappointed if I'd podium'd at one of the qualifiers and still didn't get a spot, so I understand you're upset, but it's a stretch to say the system is fake.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FerrouSS View Post
    And what if you finished on the podium at a qualifier and still didn't get in.... Then you just say "Ok. This is a huge scam and is for profit only?" What does the term "qualifier" mean to you? To me it means you qualify and participate. Not, F-off and see ya later. But that is how I was treated. So.... to clarify.... It isn't too expensive... or any other bs except that the "lottery" is fake and the "qualifier" system is also fake. This will turn more and more people away every year. Diminishing the value of an event that was once run by good people and was not just about the bottom line. It is very sad to watch it happen but that is what big corporations do to events.
    So your telling us that you finished on the podium (which would have put you in the top 3 of your age cat. no matter what) and you were not offered a spot? Which qualifier was this at?

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    Yep. Leadville 50

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    Quote Originally Posted by FerrouSS View Post
    Yep. Leadville 50
    You should have automatically qualified. What did the race officials say?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thomas O View Post
    You should have automatically qualified. What did the race officials say?
    Winners auto-qualify, not necessarily podium finishers.

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    Sorry. Only one entry for your group. And then they gave 40 entries to a different class of "older" racers. 40-49 group I believe. 30 entries to another group. It is not weighted according to performance rather than financial age bracketing. Hence... fake.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FerrouSS View Post
    Sorry. Only one entry for your group. And then they gave 40 entries to a different class of "older" racers. 40-49 group I believe. 30 entries to another group. It is not weighted according to performance rather than financial age bracketing. Hence... fake.
    I was of the understanding that they gave at least 3 entries for each age bracket. What age group do you fall under?

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    Quote Originally Posted by FerrouSS View Post
    Sorry. Only one entry for your group. And then they gave 40 entries to a different class of "older" racers. 40-49 group I believe. 30 entries to another group. It is not weighted according to performance rather than financial age bracketing. Hence... fake.
    What age group were YOU in? What year?

    Oh, and the important question, how many people TOTAL in you AG?

    If there were only 5 guys in your AG, then one slot is 20%.......

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    Quote Originally Posted by FerrouSS View Post
    Sorry. Only one entry for your group. And then they gave 40 entries to a different class of "older" racers. 40-49 group I believe. 30 entries to another group. It is not weighted according to performance rather than financial age bracketing. Hence... fake.

    The system is actually pretty transparent. The number of people in your age group represents a percentage of the entire field. That age group then gets that percentage of the available spots. Every age group will get at least one spot. In other words, if the Men 30-39 group is 30% of the field, they get 30% of the spots. You must have had a tiny group, which sucks.

    The flip side is what if they just took the top 5 from each group. A guy could get 5th out of 7 people and be in, meanwhile someone else could battle for 6th out of 180 and not get in. That wouldn't be fair either. It seems any system could upset someone.

    The problem I see is that you were probably faster than others that got in, and again, that sucks. I got to stand on a podium that day too, and it was a hard, hard day.

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    SS. And if your math is correct than I would have gotten in.

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    I just took a look at their 'qualifier rules' on the website, and they only alot 1 spot for the top SS finisher. They're definitely giving you guys the black sheep treatment.

    If there were 100 spots available, only 50 were based off performance (the other 50 were raffled). There were 13 SS starters that day out of 709. (1.8%). 1.8% of the 50 spots would still only have yielded 1 spot.

    Anyways, Good luck this race season....

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    Quote Originally Posted by FerrouSS View Post
    Sorry. Only one entry for your group. And then they gave 40 entries to a different class of "older" racers. 40-49 group I believe. 30 entries to another group. It is not weighted according to performance rather than financial age bracketing. Hence... fake.

    Say it ain't so...


    But, I'm in that 'financial age bracket', and after 6 years, I call BS on their 'lottery'...


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    Quote Originally Posted by RSW42 View Post
    Say it ain't so...


    But, I'm in that 'financial age bracket', and after 6 years, I call BS on their 'lottery'...


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    To those who got in, cool, I'll see you there; I pre-qual'd at Flagstaff last year.

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    The way I see it. It's simple supply and demand. Right now, people still want to do this race. Since there are so many competitive 100 milers out there that are arguably better courses but its the overall feel of the race that draws people to it. It seems to me that lifetime thinks the course is what makes people want to do it when it's actually the people and the experience. We had a group who all entered the lottery and some of us got in and others did not and that is fine but our dealings with lifetime proved to me that it is nothing but a profit maker and they have no regard for the people they bought the race from or those who care about the experience. There will come a time when the lifetime's management of the race detracts enough from the experience that the demand will wain and the lottery will go away. At that point, I will also have no interest. I just hope to get in before it no longer means anything and becomes just another race.

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    I haven't looked at the qualifier rules for this year, but two years ago it ess allocated as a percentage of entries. I believe ss got one, but there was at most 2 riders in the category. 40-49 got 3 spots for about 100 riders. The percentage was a lot better for ss because there err so few entrants.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bgyglfr View Post
    The way I see it. It's simple supply and demand. Right now, people still want to do this race. Since there are so many competitive 100 milers out there that are arguably better courses but its the overall feel of the race that draws people to it. It seems to me that lifetime thinks the course is what makes people want to do it when it's actually the people and the experience. We had a group who all entered the lottery and some of us got in and others did not and that is fine but our dealings with lifetime proved to me that it is nothing but a profit maker and they have no regard for the people they bought the race from or those who care about the experience. There will come a time when the lifetime's management of the race detracts enough from the experience that the demand will wain and the lottery will go away. At that point, I will also have no interest. I just hope to get in before it no longer means anything and becomes just another race.
    I have seen this race before and after the purchase by lifetime. Everything is ran very much like it was when Ken owned it. The qualifiers were added but so were a whole bunch more spots. If you think that Ken was not in this to make a profit you are sadly mistaken. I don't know what the buy out numbers were but I know it was a substantial amount of money. Why are you not crucifying him for making a profit on the race? Or for selling the race for that matter. I have personally met the founder of Lifetime, I know the national cycle coordinator and the President of events. These people do more for our sport than you can even imagine. They are all heavily involved with biking and walk the walk. They are all multi time finishers of the Leadville 100 as well as many many races around the country. They are all also tri athletes and compete at a very high level. They don't just sit behind a desk and grind numbers all day. I for one am getting pretty sick of people complaining about something they know nothing about just because they didn't get picked for the race. There are a whole lot of people that didn't get picked and have excepted it and moved on. Accept it and move on...please!

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    I accept that I am looking in from the outside. My opinion is only that. An opinion and it is from someone who has not experienced the race so it doesn't carry much weight. I get the lottery and I understand that it has to be difficult to manage something like this that has overwhelming interest and no possibility of making everyone happy. All I know is that my buddy who got me interested in the race has done it for the last three years and his opinion is also that the race has significantly changed. We called to discuss out options including possibly chucking in the $3k for the guaranteed spot. They were nothing but rude to us. I understand that all companies are out to make a profit (I work for a $40b corporation). That's business and I have no problem with that but most businesses show respect to their customers, even their potential future customers. My buddy who has been doing the race said the old management was never like that. Maybe we called at a bad time or caught the wrong person having a bad day but that's the experience we had. I still want to do the race and will likely keep trying to get in but as they get more and more competition. The demand will decrease. That's just business.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sdcadbiker View Post
    That's a hoot coming from the guy who would never waste his time with this POS excuse for a MTB race...

    Yes, and if you had the attention span beyond that of a Ferret on a double cappuccino, you'd have read that AFTER 6 tries, I nixed it.


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    I have no issue with Lifetime, or anyone else making money off a race. I work for money, why shouldn't they.

    I also have no issue with the lottery. It's the same for a lot of marathons E.g. NYC marathon.

    What I do have issues with is saying in the rejection email that a way to get in is to volunteer and then don't honor it. In 2012 I got rejected and followed their way of getting in by volunteering. A few of us spent a weekend helping out costing us time and money. All of us entered the lottery for 2013 and then sent in out forms for the "preferred" status. None of us got in.

    After several emails we have had no response. Our emails weren't to ask why we didn't get in in 2013, but how many more hours we need to do to volunteer in 2013 to get into 2014.

    If they didn't have so many volunteers they wouldn't make a profit. They are coning people into thinking they get in with volunteering and then once you've helped them make even more money they just ignore you. If there is a minimum amount of hours that you need to do to get in and we didn't do enough I'm fine with that, but they should publish what it is and be open about it. It just says the more you volunteer the more "preference" you get.

    We would have much rather spent our time and money helping out a needy cause rather than lining a corporates pocket.

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    So they finally got in touch with us the same day I post this.

    We were one hour short on our volunteer hours. As we were short we didn't get any credit for the volunteering we did in 2012. It is apparently the first time they have ever drawn a line like that. It would have been nice to know in advance as we could have easily done another hour of work when we were in Leadville.

    Previous years volunteering doesn't carry over either, so the time spent in 2012 doesn't even help for 2014.

    For the NYC marathon if you do 9 qualifying races you get into the following years marathon. You don't need to place, just do the correct number of races then you get in.

    I don't see why Lifetime can't do the same with volunteering hours. Be clear and open to everyone that is helping them run this race, so they know exactly what they have to do if they want to get in.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mbco1975 View Post
    I have no issue with Lifetime, or anyone else making money off a race. I work for money, why shouldn't they.

    I also have no issue with the lottery. It's the same for a lot of marathons E.g. NYC marathon.

    What I do have issues with is saying in the rejection email that a way to get in is to volunteer and then don't honor it. In 2012 I got rejected and followed their way of getting in by volunteering. A few of us spent a weekend helping out costing us time and money. All of us entered the lottery for 2013 and then sent in out forms for the "preferred" status. None of us got in.

    After several emails we have had no response. Our emails weren't to ask why we didn't get in in 2013, but how many more hours we need to do to volunteer in 2013 to get into 2014.

    If they didn't have so many volunteers they wouldn't make a profit. They are coning people into thinking they get in with volunteering and then once you've helped them make even more money they just ignore you. If there is a minimum amount of hours that you need to do to get in and we didn't do enough I'm fine with that, but they should publish what it is and be open about it. It just says the more you volunteer the more "preference" you get.

    We would have much rather spent our time and money helping out a needy cause rather than lining a corporates pocket.
    I agree that they should be taking care of the volonteers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RSW42 View Post
    Yes, and if you had the attention span beyond that of a Ferret on a double cappuccino, you'd have read that AFTER 6 tries, I nixed it.


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    Quote Originally Posted by mbco1975 View Post
    UPDATE:
    So they finally got in touch with us the same day I post this.

    We were one hour short on our volunteer hours. As we were short we didn't get any credit for the volunteering we did in 2012. It is apparently the first time they have ever drawn a line like that. It would have been nice to know in advance as we could have easily done another hour of work when we were in Leadville.

    Previous years volunteering doesn't carry over either, so the time spent in 2012 doesn't even help for 2014.

    For the NYC marathon if you do 9 qualifying races you get into the following years marathon. You don't need to place, just do the correct number of races then you get in.

    I don't see why Lifetime can't do the same with volunteering hours. Be clear and open to everyone that is helping them run this race, so they know exactly what they have to do if they want to get in.
    If you were not informed in advance what the requirements were to have your volunteer hours credited then that blows, bigtime; Lifetime should be yelled at for that. There's no excuse, none, for not providing volunteers with essential info and then telling them later that they didn't fulfill their obligation.

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    I raced the Alpine Odyssey in 2011 and was chosen in the lottery for 2013, first time racing. Any chance you think they would use my 2011 time for the starting of Leadville 2013? Thanks!

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    Sure have done an IM. You are right, very expensive, lots of swimming and running. But the feeling of crossing the last timing mat made it all good. Funny thing, never once thought about the cost or all the training. Seems like that's what people like us do for fun or why would we be talking about it with such passion!

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