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    Julian Death March 2011 April 9th

    We have set our date for the Julian Death March for 2011. Saturday April 9th. We tried to avoid conflicts. This year it will not fall on the same date as the Rawanda ride.

    We hope to have registration up in the next week or so.

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    Been wanting to try this since I moved to SoCal but I don't think I'll have time to train.

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    Does this usually fill up quickly? I might come down for it, just wondering how long I have to think about it.

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    You have until April 9th 2011
    The locals know what a butt kicker this race is and they are mostly too scared to show up. This amazes me because Vision Quest, which happens just a couple weeks earlier, sells out instantly and isn't nearly as challenging, or satisfying (imho).

    The DNF rate at the Death March is typically 70% or thereabouts, which is a tribute to the devilish course routing that Rich comes up with year after year

    Every time, on the drive home I say to myself "never again" but next year, there I am...

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    Quote Originally Posted by sdcadbiker
    You have until April 9th 2011
    The locals know what a butt kicker this race is and they are mostly too scared to show up. This amazes me because Vision Quest, which happens just a couple weeks earlier, sells out instantly and isn't nearly as challenging, or satisfying (imho).

    The DNF rate at the Death March is typically 70% or thereabouts, which is a tribute to the devilish course routing that Rich comes up with year after year

    Every time, on the drive home I say to myself "never again" but next year, there I am...
    This year we are going to treat it as 3 separate races so the DNF rate should go way down! We will be offering early bird discounts. We also don't anticipate any course changes this year.
    50 Mile course, 63 mile course and 86 mile course.

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    Rich,

    It's good to see you publicizing the race early this time; the event certainly deserves a bigger field!

    I should qualify my previous "DNF" comment; it would be more accurate to say "DNFERD" (did not finish the entire race distance). Since many racers have no intention of completing both loops and everyone gets credit for the miles that they complete it could be argued that the actual DNF rate is zero...

    However, it's a fact that 80 racers started and only 28 rode the entire 86 miles. Any way you look at it, any route that includes oriflame canyon is going to be brutal and will have a high attrition rate!

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    I may have to drive down from Norcal and try this one out.....sounds like a lot of "fun." Love the area....grew up in Carlsbad so this would give me a chance to dust off the Socal street cred

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    Ok....so the Julian Death March is on my schdule for 2011. I'll be coming down from Norcal and have a few questions from those local to the race area. I know the area fairly well as I was raised in North County......but......

    1. Can I camp at the race start location the night before the race? If not, I suspect there
    are a lot of B&B's in the area.
    2. How would you compare the race to something in Norcal. An example would be the
    Tahoe-Sierra 100. Luke Weins I know you have raced both....your input?
    3. Is the course well signed? I dont' like having to navigate and race at the same time,
    however the website indicates this could be an issue. Is it?
    4. Looking forward to the race and any feedback would be great
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    1. I don't believe that you can camp overnight in the park; maybe Rich could confirm? Yes, Julian has several b&b places.
    2. Don't know; it's harder than Leadville if that means anything... steeper climbs and more technical.
    3. Rich & I have debated this, he says it is, I say it isn't; however, Rich always publishes accurate GPS data. I personally would have been screwed without my Garmin but I'm directionally challenged... YMMV (literally!)
    4. This has become one of my "must do" races; it's perfect motivation to keep up winter training. The race doesn't have many technical challenges and there is a fair amount of pavement and gravel road riding. It doesn't sound like much of a MTB race does it? Well, it is... if you want to do well at the entire race distance it may be the hardest single day that you will ever spend on a bike. I'm told that day 1 of La Ruta is slightly tougher, but only slightly. Both times I have done it I have sworn afterwards "never again!" as the cramps bend me into a pretzel, but I keep coming back for more.
    The weather is a huge variable, it could be 30 degrees at the start and/or 90 degrees in the desert, be prepared.
    The course can be tough on your bike, carry tools & tubes; the main rest stop (you pass it twice) has wrench support and some spare parts, but...

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    Sweet! Interest has been sparked.

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    It would be awesome to get more pro-level riders at this event. It would be awesome to get _more riders_ period! The race seems to appeal to a select few...

    There's a good write-up by Jens Raz here:
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    [QUOTE=sdcadbiker]It would be awesome to get more pro-level riders at this event. It would be awesome to get _more riders_ period! The race seems to appeal to a select few...

    Thanks for the info....sounds like my kind of bike race...hard is good....pro-level, I'm not but competitive 50 year old endurance dude, I am....I will be bringing a couple of others down with me to suffer with...

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    Quote Originally Posted by mtbne1

    1. Can I camp at the race start location the night before the race? If not, I suspect there
    are a lot of B&B's in the area.
    2. How would you compare the race to something in Norcal. An example would be the Tahoe-Sierra 100.
    3. Is the course well signed? I dont' like having to navigate and race at the same time,
    It's a great event. I did it last year and thoroughly enjoyed it. There's some beautiful scenery along the way, and the aspect of going from pines down into the desert and back up into the pines adds a grander scale to the race. I really appreciate that it's not the usual multi-lap format. It's also a really low key compared to the Nor Cal races. Rich Wolf is fun and his event volunteers are very helpful and enthusiastic

    You can camp the night before the race @ Frank Lane Park which is the event start/finish. Pinezanita is nice, inexpensive RV park @ 4 miles from the start/finish. Julian is a pleasent, picturesque little town too.

    The course marking is generally good, but it's not that tough to go off course if you haven't done the event previously. Local knowledge or previous participation is a definite advantage. I rode with a "local" last year and avoided missing a couple intersections that were a bit obscure.

    As for degree of difficulty, I'd say Julian rates somewhere between the Bogg's 8 hr solo and the TS 100. There's quite a bit of pavement in the Julian race, and there's not that much really technical terrain either. All of which is offset by that exquisite b!tch of a climb up Oriflamme Rd. Banning Truck Trail[?] and Wayne's Trail are also kinda nasty in places. Somewhat armored tire casings are a good idea, and hardtails aren't at a disadvantage on this course.

    I skipped Boggs this year to do Julian and I'm glad I did. I'm planning on doing it again in 2011, It's a fun gig.
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    Thanks everyone for all the info!!! JTMartino, good write-up and pics. JMS: I will miss Boggs this year as well but will race the 24 there in July. This is going to be fun

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    Julian is a fun event! I had the opportunity to ride it several years ago. I wanted to ride in 2009 and '10 as well, but couldn't schedule the trip. My wife and I are hoping to take part again this year. It's a challenging ride. I managed two, out of 2008's three laps. Although I never felt lost, I did benefit from pre-riding the first two loops two days prior the race.

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    We will have registration up the first week of January.

    I don't know if I ever said the course was a piece of cake to navigate. In fact on our web site we say that without pre riding the course, that you will be at a disadvantage. When people get tired or in a hurry or don't look up, it is easy to miss signs and turns. That is the downside of not doing multiple laps, but the upside is that you are constantly seeing different terrain and views.

    We do offer GPS downloads so that might be the way to go if you can't pre ride the course, or just hang with someone who knows the course!

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    We have decided to make the Death March 3 separate races with distances of 50, 64 and 86 miles. That way you can pick which distance you want to race.

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    Thanks for the updates

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    Long Lingering

    Quote Originally Posted by richwolf
    We have decided to make the Death March 3 separate races with distances of 50, 64 and 86 miles. That way you can pick which distance you want to race.
    So Rich, does this mean:

    The 50 miler equals a "quick" death?

    The 64 mile version equals a "slow" death?

    And the 86 mile route equals a "long lingering" death?
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    Quote Originally Posted by jms
    So Rich, does this mean:

    The 50 miler equals a "quick" death?

    The 64 mile version equals a "slow" death?

    And the 86 mile route equals a "long lingering" death?
    50 = First nail (It will be won or lost on Wayne's Trail)
    64 = Second nail (Oriflame plus Wayne's Trail)
    86 = The Final Nail

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    Does a 29er hard tail work?

    Just figured out how to work this into our schedule. See you in April.

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    Quote Originally Posted by EBrider
    Does a 29er hard tail work?

    Just figured out how to work this into our schedule. See you in April.
    EBrider: I'll be coming down from Norcal as well and have the same question. From reviewing many of the prior race pics I'm leaning toward my Stumpy 29r H/T. I noticed pics of riders on everything from full suspension to cross bikes. Should be a fun event and certainly something different....

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    Good Choice

    Quote Originally Posted by EBrider
    Does a 29er hard tail work?
    The race was won on a 29er HT last year, and it seemed to be a popular choice. I used one and I will again.
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    Every year except for one it was won on a 29er bike (that is if you count a cyclocross bike as a 29er!)

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    I did Oriflame a few weeks ago, damn that sucked! But I'll make the trip back to SD for this one.
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    Registration now open

    We have opened up the Julian Death March for registration.

    Pick your course:
    50 Miles
    63 Miles
    86 Miles

    You can register through active.com at: http://www.active.com/page/Event_Det...ent_id=1923624

    Or you can register with our printable entry form and save on line fees and get a $10 early bird discount if you register by December 31st, 2010. Go here: http://www.julianactive.com/rbregfor...n%20form.p df

    Complete details at our web page: http://www.julianactive.com/rbregfor...ion%20form.pdf

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    Check is in the mail for the 86er

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    Geez...

    Quote Originally Posted by richwolf
    We have opened up the Julian Death March for registration.

    Pick your course:
    50 Miles
    63 Miles
    86 Miles

    You can register through active.com at: http://www.active.com/page/Event_Det...ent_id=1923624

    Or you can register with our printable entry form and save on line fees and get a $10 early bird discount if you register by December 31st, 2010. Go here: http://www.julianactive.com/rbregfor...n%20form.p df

    Complete details at our web page: http://www.julianactive.com/rbregfor...ion%20form.pdf
    I musta timed that perfectly...by accident.

    I'm reg'd and looking to keep my dentist within view for a bit longer this year....and crush my 64mi time.
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    Ok, officially registered for the 86. Looking forward to it (I think).

    Hope to see some other NorCal folks there. I have a lot of family in SD, so my travel schedule may be a little different, but might be able to offer support to anyone else coming down if needed.

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    Just registered for the 86 as well. Coming down from Norcal too.....I'll miss Boggs VI this year but it is good to mix it up once in awhile....

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    Quote Originally Posted by mtbne1
    Just registered for the 86 as well. Coming down from Norcal too.....I'll miss Boggs VI this year but it is good to mix it up once in awhile....
    I won't miss the mud and snow. I think racing in San Diego in April may be a better idea

    If my schedule works, I may go to Boggs to support another rider and hang out by the campfire most of the day.

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    doable to make the time cuts on a singlespeed?

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    Yes

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    doable to make the time cuts on a singlespeed?
    Yes. Sick, but doable.
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    Quote Originally Posted by EBrider
    I won't miss the mud and snow. I think racing in San Diego in April may be a better idea
    Well, that depends... two weeks prior to the 2009 race a bunch of us pre-rode the course, starting at 8:00am:



    I think it was 28 degrees.
    Things got better after an hour or so and we stopped halfway up the first climb to strip off:



    On race day the weather was close to perfect but you never can tell; be prepared!
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    Quote Originally Posted by jms
    Yes. Sick, but doable.
    awesome, looking forward to doing it. Also gonna drag another SSer buddy out there

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    Quote Originally Posted by sdcadbiker
    Well, that depends... two weeks prior to the 2009 race a bunch of us pre-rode the course, starting at 8:00am:



    I think it was 28 degrees.
    Things got better after an hour or so and we stopped halfway up the first climb to strip off:



    On race day the weather was close to perfect but you never can tell; be prepared!
    Well it has been a weird winter, so who knows. All I know is that we got snowed on at Boggs last Easter weekend.

    Needless to say, other than being a bit chilly, I had some shifting issues:
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    Yep, we had a blizzard in Big Bear a couple days after the ToC came through in May. In the SoCal mountains weather is like a box of chocolates

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    So pumped to do this race

    I pre-viewed almost the whole course last season with a teamate and totally passed on VQ this year JDM is where its at!

    I'll prob be hitting up the course in peices over the next few weeks I'll try and post trail conditions and updates.

    I have to say after the 1st time I did oriflamme I was thinking Oh man that was awsome! only other climb I;ve done that felt that accomplished was sand flats to kokopelli in UT

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    Entries are ahead of last year.
    I know some people want to pre ride the course for navigation and fitness reasons.
    We have a facebook page where you can hook up with other riders.
    Go to: http://www.facebook.com/#!/event.php?eid=111401585538044

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    Wilma!

    WILMA!

    Thanks to the Lupine Light company North American Distributor for sponsoring us with a Lupine Wilma 5 Light to be given away. We will have a drawing of all class winners to determine who rides away with a brand new Wilma light system!
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    Anyone pre-riding (part of) the course this weekend, by chance?

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    We got permission to use the middle section of the Banner Toll Road. No Wayne's Trail this year!
    Trophies to the top Male and Female on the long course. Medals 3 deep to all categories. We still have open spots.

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    Quote Originally Posted by richwolf
    We got permission to use the middle section of the Banner Toll Road. No Wayne's Trail this year!
    Trophies to the top Male and Female on the long course. Medals 3 deep to all categories. We still have open spots.
    Thanks, Richwolf...can't wait for the race. It has been raining non-stop in epic proportions up here in Norcal....I'm looking forward to trails with minimal to no mud, no rain, sleet, snow, downed trees and all the other perils we've faced recently.....my drivetrain will thank you as well

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    "We got permission to use the middle section of the Banner Toll Road. No Wayne's Trail this year!"


    Rich I'm going to pre-ride that section sunday, how does that differ from the website and last years GPS track?

    -Thanks so much

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    Quote Originally Posted by mtbne1
    Thanks, Richwolf...can't wait for the race. It has been raining non-stop in epic proportions up here in Norcal....I'm looking forward to trails with minimal to no mud, no rain, sleet, snow, downed trees and all the other perils we've faced recently.....my drivetrain will thank you as well
    I think its been pretty wet down there as well. Happy to be skipping Boggs this year though, as I can't imagine conditions being any better than last year.

    Between rain and travel, March has been a terrible month for riding. Should make this extra fun.
    Are we putting air in the tires today?

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    Quote Originally Posted by protijy
    "We got permission to use the middle section of the Banner Toll Road. No Wayne's Trail this year!"


    Rich I'm going to pre-ride that section sunday, how does that differ from the website and last years GPS track?

    -Thanks so much
    That's a good point. I won't be able to pre-ride the course. Downloading the GPS track and hoping for the best.
    Are we putting air in the tires today?

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    Goal is to have a new GPS sometime next week. As far as how it differs, at mile 59.5 instead of taking a right on the dirt road down to Wayne's trail, go straight across and continue up to Julian.

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    Ah so we skip that section where we go down right near the actual banner grade road and then enter the single track? So that actually cuts out a few feet of climbing and instead we ride the less hike a bikeish reclaimed fire road aka banner toll road. Nice!

    I'll try and figure it out Sunday Can't wait!

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    Quote Originally Posted by protijy
    Ah so we skip that section where we go down right near the actual banner grade road and then enter the single track? So that actually cuts out a few feet of climbing and instead we ride the less hike a bikeish reclaimed fire road aka banner toll road. Nice!

    I'll try and figure it out Sunday Can't wait!
    If you gps your ride let me know!

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    Don't worry about staying on the toll road; when you pop out of the lower toll s/t it's really intuitive to keep going "up" rather than descending back down to find Wayne's, as lots of riders discovered last year!

    Wayne's eventually connects back up with the toll road, so your gps will get you back on track even if you download last year's course.

    I might ride Wayne's on race day anyway, because s/t is always better than fire road

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    Quote Originally Posted by sdcadbiker
    Don't worry about staying on the toll road; when you pop out of the lower toll s/t it's really intuitive to keep going "up" rather than descending back down to find Wayne's, as lots of riders discovered last year!

    Wayne's eventually connects back up with the toll road, so your gps will get you back on track even if you download last year's course.

    I might ride Wayne's on race day anyway, because s/t is always better than fire road
    If you are so determined to add more suffering to the mix, then we will also put a stretch of hot coals on Wayne's trail that you must walk through barefooted!

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    Pff... they wouldn't have stayed hot for long if you put them there yesterday

    39F and raining at ride start yesterday (7:45am), as we rode out of town we wondered if this was a good idea... The toll road was wet, slippery and super-fun! We chose to ride Wayne's downhill; Rich, I think you're right to take it out of the course this year, it hasn't fared well over the winter. It's overgrown in all the wrong places and caused a few butt-clenchers on the steeper sections.

    Conditions were a lot better once we got onto Chariot and the three canyons; The sandpits on lower Rodriguez were damp and very fast, riders need to watch out for overhanging shrubbery which hurts when you hit it! Got to watch out for ruts on that trail too, plenty of high speed OTB opportunities if you don't pay attention. Oriflamme was as Oriflamme is.

    Not many jeeps out yesterday and those that we met were very graceful about moving over and letting us by. The mud was a chore in places but it's mostly decomposed granite and doesn't pack on tires too much.

    On the way back up the toll road the s/t at both ends was great but the middle section fire road was a bit gloopy and sucked the life out of my legs. Shoulda ridden Wayne's Why does that fire road remind me of "The Hills Have Eyes"?

    We started the Santa Ysabel loop but the park was closed when we got there; we had a quick look but the trails were looking a bit like clay soup so we gave up. Not sure how long those trails take to dry out?

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    thouht I saw some fresh tracks on the trails yesterday

    We got a later start over at stone wall ~8:30am

    Los Vaqueros: a bit like quick sand much more work then if it was dry

    Soapstone Fire Road: more of teh same mud wasn't packing up on the tires but we were def working harder and sinking into the dirt

    Base of Soapstone Grade - Sunrise hwy: single track was def in greta shape lill water here and there but much better then the sloggy fireroad.

    Mason Valley upper: was a POND!!!! some puddles so deep they had their own weather systems! I hope that dries up or it will make for a messy mid race... its all rideable and mud didn't pack on too bad just lots of water.

    Mason Valley DH: fire road was great till it flatted out toward the top fo Orriflamme then it bacame a quick snad fest praying for that to dry out usually ripping 20+mph thru there ya was going like 8 and working to do it....

    Chariot Canyon: in great shape! no dust, no loose sand ripper!

    Rodriquez Canyon: um yea its in good shape I was distracted by the young very very large Bull that desided to charge down the hill side towards us as we had a barb wire fence to our left... like that would have stopped him.... HE pulled up hard and stood in a very defensive proud position about 30yrds away from us and we just soft pedalled by scared shitless (at least I was) if we turned around he woudl have def got us as we tried to get up to speed if we gunned it up the hill he woudl have got us... I just had images of rodeo riders getting brawled in my head....

    Rodriquez Canyon DH: very happy to be there! No PCT trail angel this year. packed smooth ripping fast but yes some prickly vegitation hanging out and some deep ruts.

    Oriflame Canyon: in great shape everything is very clearable

    Banner Toll Road: entry to the single track up off the road was a bit hard to find grass is growing in like crazy! but found teh sign and headed up, we saw where you go down to waynes and just kept goign up straight and yes I thought I was going to see sloth form goonies jump out of one of those trailers scetch city but sick views.... trail was in great shape if not a bit wet but much better then around cuyamaca.

    We headed into Julian grabbed a coffee and a freshly baked cookie and ripped it back to stone wall mine on the road and serious head wind!!!

    My guess is the race will have some water on it even if it doesn't rain form now till race day I'm hoping it will dry out a bit as it did reach havock on my drive train (broke a chain and had no lube on the chain after like 10 miles....)

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    We avoided Cuyamaca yesterday because we suspected it would be a bog; thanks for validating that decision! We're planning to ride that loop next Sunday and we'll try Santa Ysabel again too. Weather forecast says "clear" through Friday, the sunshine and wind should kickstart the drying process.

    It must have been "drivetrain death day"; my rear D died just after cresting Oriflamme; a couple zip ties turned my bike into a two-speed which didn't make for a fun time on Banner! However, it was better than walking...

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    I'm just luck I had a quick link in my pack... easy fix!

    I too will be riding the Santa Ysabel loop next sunday.

    My plan is to descend Banner, then back up then head over to Santa Ysabel which I've never been to before.

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    My thought is if the preserve is closed on race day for any reason then we will take 79 out to sunrise highway, through at Fages and then down Chariot and up Banner. That would be the about the same distance but a little less climbing.

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    It looks like a warm day, hopefully the trails are drying out and the Preserve Loop will be back open soon - any updates?

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    Quote Originally Posted by buenavista
    It looks like a warm day, hopefully the trails are drying out and the Preserve Loop will be back open soon - any updates?
    I would think they should reopen by the weekend. Right now it looks like nothing is going on in the long term forecast.

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    We rode and GPS'd the 50 mile route yesterday 4-2-11. The weather was great and the flowers were busting out all over. Here is the Geoladders route where you can download the track: http://www.geoladders.com/show_route.php?route=45289
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    Quote Originally Posted by richwolf
    We rode and GPS'd the 50 mile route yesterday 4-2-11. The weather was great and the flowers were busting out all over. Here is the Geoladders route where you can download the track: http://www.geoladders.com/show_route.php?route=45289
    Looking forward to coming down for the race next weekend. Since we are out of town, I didn't get a chance to pre-ride the course. Plan is to download the GPS track. Since there are changes to the 64 mile loop, should I just go with the original track and figure out the change when I get there? If the first 50 is the same, maybe I can download that, then switch to the 64 mile track.

    Noaa.gov is showing a high of 39 for Sat, but its still a long way off.
    Are we putting air in the tires today?

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    Quote Originally Posted by EBrider
    Looking forward to coming down for the race next weekend. Since we are out of town, I didn't get a chance to pre-ride the course. Plan is to download the GPS track. Since there are changes to the 64 mile loop, should I just go with the original track and figure out the change when I get there? If the first 50 is the same, maybe I can download that, then switch to the 64 mile track.

    Noaa.gov is showing a high of 39 for Sat, but its still a long way off.
    The change to the 64 mile course is minor and is in the last few miles of the loop. We just don't do the Wayne's trail section of the ride.

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    Possible race date change from Sat 4-9 to Sun 4-10

    Weather for Saturday April 9th is not looking so good in Julian. Cold with a chance of showers. Sunday April 10th is looking to be warmer and sunny. We have sent out e-mails to all registrants looking for feedback. Most people are OK with the move to Sunday April 10th. We will have a firm decision by tomorrow (Tuesday April 5th)

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    Hotel room

    Just called the Hotel/Inn where I will be staying in Julian. If the race is moved to Sunday I have to move from my one bedroom to a two bedroom situation. I will be by myself, would be great If I could share expenses. $65 each

    Any interest let me know

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    Works for me

    Quote Originally Posted by richwolf
    Weather for Saturday April 9th is not looking so good in Julian. Cold with a chance of showers. Sunday April 10th is looking to be warmer and sunny. We have sent out e-mails to all registrants looking for feedback. Most people are OK with the move to Sunday April 10th. We will have a firm decision by tomorrow (Tuesday April 5th)
    Works for me.

    http://www.wunderground.com/US/CA/058.html#SPE

    Am I going to have to bring a toboggan??! I've been following the weather forecast before I registered, and the prospect of snow showers and sub 30 degree temperatures @ the start, etc. didn't seem all that enchanting to me. I have visions of wheel sucking some fat guy for the first 12 miles down to the bottom of Cedar Creek to avoid frostbite on my fingers and toes. Sunday and 10 degree warmer sounds much better!

    What the hell Rich, where's the wonderful S. California weather? Do SOMETHING about that will you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jms
    Works for me.

    http://www.wunderground.com/US/CA/058.html#SPE

    Am I going to have to bring a toboggan??! I've been following the weather forecast before I registered, and the prospect of snow showers and sub 30 degree temperatures @ the start, etc. didn't seem all that enchanting to me. I have visions of wheel sucking some fat guy for the first 12 miles down to the bottom of Cedar Creek to avoid frostbite on my fingers and toes. Sunday and 10 degree warmer sounds much better!

    What the hell Rich, where's the wonderful S. California weather? Do SOMETHING about that will you.
    Today is idyllic! That is the way the weekends have been going. Nice weather during the week and stuff hits the fan on the weekends.

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    Kind of mixed. It would screw up travel plans to do this on Sunday, but riding in temps in the 30's isn't super appealing. I rode Boggs last year in the sleet and snow last year, which is a big part of the reason I decided to do this instead. Trail conditions were my bigger concern, its fairly easy to dress for temps in the 30's if you know what to expect.

    Oddly enough, our forecast in the Bay area is not nearly as bleak. It would seem that if a storm is coming from the north, it would have to go through here. Best case scenario is a better forecast tomorrow.

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    forecast for Julian:
    http://forecast.weather.gov/MapClick...2=-116.601&e=0

    The race will be moved to Sunday April 10th

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    That forecast is absolutely ugly. I think that's a good call, and very cool that you can move it on short notice.

    Looking forward to seeing you on Sunday.

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    Definitely the right call... even though I probably won't be able to make it.

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    Accumulations of 5-10" Maybe I need to rethink my tire selection.

    Seriously. Is this going to be rideable?
    Are we putting air in the tires today?

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    Quote Originally Posted by EBrider
    Seriously. Is this going to be rideable?
    Here's the latest from this morning........It just keeps getting better:

    http://www.wunderground.com/US/CA/058.html#SPE
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    You may register the day of the event. Registration opens at 6:30 A.M., Riders Meeting at 7:45 A.M. and Race starts at 8:00 A.M.
    Remember the Race has been rescheduled to Sunday April 10th.

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    Forecast hasn't changed in a few days. Looks pretty good for sunday, sunny with a high in the 50s.

    Got into town last night. Hoping for the best.
    Are we putting air in the tires today?

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    Got my number in the mail yesterday all set! pumped!

    So how bad is it snowing in Julian or is it mainly higher up on Mnt Laguna/Middle peak?

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    Good Luck Out There

    Quote Originally Posted by EBrider
    Forecast hasn't changed in a few days. Looks pretty good for sunday, sunny with a high in the 50s.

    Got into town last night. Hoping for the best.
    Good luck out there on Sunday! I decided to bail and go with plan "B". I'm hoping the conditions are perfect for you come Sunday morning.

    If you've got a front fender with you, put it on - if there's any standing water heading down Boulder Creek it's going to be cold/slimy/messy, especially with the speed you can carry to the bottom.
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    <a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/jeffkerkove/5599389380/" title="Julian Death March - Pre ride - April 7 by Jeff Kerkove, on Flickr"><img src="http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5030/5599389380_439cb3d3e0.jpg" width="500" height="375" alt="Julian Death March - Pre ride - April 7"></a>
    Pre-rode the first part of Loop 2 yesterday....it was good!


    <a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/jeffkerkove/5601055734/" title="Julian, CA - April 8 snowfall by Jeff Kerkove, on Flickr"><img src="http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5062/5601055734_ef8faa8b40.jpg" width="500" height="375" alt="Julian, CA - April 8 snowfall"></a>
    Woke up this AM to little bit of snow....but most is melting here in Julian, CA. The rain/snow if very off/on. No long term precip dumps.

    Guess we'll see on Sunday how the terrain soaks up the moisture

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    Thanks Jeff. Keep us updated.

    Jms, don't know that I would have made the trip if I didn't have family in San Diego. 86 miles through 4" of snow would be brutal, but everything that has come through is pretty scattered.

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    You can get real-time weather updates, including webcam shots, at www.julianweather.com
    Looking forward to meeting everyone in person Sunday

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    I went and rode and signed Chariot, Rodriguez and Oriflame today. The conditions were not bad. I got sleeted on and got cold hands and feet. Oriflame is about as good as it gets. Someone should be able to clean it Sunday!
    So far very little snow is sticking. Forecast for Sunday is still looking good.

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    Got more snow overnight....maybe 1 inch. Sonya and I rode the first 13 miles out and back yesterday, roads were soft...but not muddy at all. Further down we went in elevation the better it got.

    <a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/jeffkerkove/5601276691/" title="Julian Death March - Preride #2 by Jeff Kerkove, on Flickr"><img src="http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5304/5601276691_db995f7d84.jpg" width="500" height="375" alt="Julian Death March - Preride #2"></a>
    Course is marked. Easy to follow if you keep your head up.

    <a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/jeffkerkove/5601266131/" title="Julian Death March - Preride #2 by Jeff Kerkove, on Flickr"><img src="http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5062/5601266131_064db7af62.jpg" width="500" height="375" alt="Julian Death March - Preride #2"></a>
    Climbing back up to Julian.


    <a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/jeffkerkove/5601270829/" title="Julian Death March - Preride #2 by Jeff Kerkove, on Flickr"><img src="http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5061/5601270829_0be57c1e0b.jpg" width="500" height="375" alt="Julian Death March - Preride #2"></a>
    Mud on the downtube....but that is from the ride the day prior.


    <a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/jeffkerkove/5602949097/" title="Julian Death March - April 8 PM snowfall by Jeff Kerkove, on Flickr"><img src="http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5143/5602949097_2edc86103b.jpg" width="375" height="500" alt="Julian Death March - April 8 PM snowfall"></a>
    Snow pic on Saturday AM from Julian.
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    Pics from this morning. Should be melting today and tomorrow should be good.
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    Awesome! This is mountain bike racing! Roadies, your event starts downtown.

    See everyone tomorrow.

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    What a day! A whole new set of challenges compared to last year. 28f at the start when I got there, it may have warmed up a few degrees by 8:00am but it was still bone chilling and the first few miles of mostly downhill were uncomfortable. However, that was as bad as it got all day and once the climbing started I wasn't cold again. Brent Prenzlow set a blistering pace (so I'm told!), reaching the first rest stop ten minutes faster than last year, but it seems that the pace up front eased off after that, Brent didn't lap me until the very top of Banner. There was ice on Engineer road, I saw one rider slide out but he was OK. Upper Mason was a swamp, the trail was unusable and everyone I saw rode on the grass which was hard on the legs. Once we got through the gate onto the descent it was all good and the chunky downhill could be ridden as fast as you dared; Chariot was the same but you really had to pay attention to the ruts! Rodriguez was challenging because long trains of horseback riders were coming the other way on the racing line (as they had every right to be), we had to ride through the chunk, holes and debris on the wrong side of the trail which was a chore. Oriflamme was its usual self, I'm always happy to see it behind me! As we came back around to Chariot the horses were back, bummer! It was kind of disconcerting to have to deal with ruts, horses and the occasional jeep, sometimes all at once! The Banner toll trail was in good shape and rideable all the way.

    I chose not to do the second loop this year so my final time was six forty something.

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    Tentative Results now up

    Tentative results now up. Check for errors or omissions.
    http://www.julianactive.com/JDM11results.htm

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    Trail conditions very good shape for the most part. The only exception was that 4 or 5 miles that had quite a bit of mud and snow. I felt bad riding on the grass, but there was really no other option. The trail was completely submerged in sections. The weather also turned out to be almost perfect. Shivered a little on the first downhill, but warmed up quickly as we descended into the desert. My computer said 86 degrees in Anza Borrego.

    Thought I was tearing the thing up until making the right turn for the Oroflame loop. Wow, the descents were tough and the climb out was crazy. Made it to the last aid station probably a little after 2:30 and they told me I would have a hard time making the cut. So did a few other people on the trail. Put my head down, didn't eat or drink, and hammered it in time to go out again. I took off, but obviously didn't have anything left in the tank after Banner. Decided to give my crew a break and turned around two miles into the second loop.

    This was a very cool event, thanks Rich for putting it together.

    I have thought about doing this for a few years and positive recommendations from sdcabiker and jms made up my mind for this year. I will be back.

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    Winning!

    Quote Originally Posted by EBrider

    This was a very cool event, thanks Rich for putting it together.

    I have thought about doing this for a few years and positive recommendations from sdcabiker and jms made up my mind for this year. I will be back.
    Nice work Steve.

    Better than Boggs?

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    Better than Boggs

    My opinion : Boggs is fun flowing single track ,nice tree cover no real climbing. Great course for your first 24hr attempt no real challenges. Lots of fun.
    JDM is sand ,rocks, more rocks gut gusting climbs, hike a bike, kinda like a motorcycle desert race same terrain. Sucks the energy out of you. lots of fun if you like that kind of thing. A challenge for sure.

    Cannot compare the two .

    Just my two cents

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    Quote Originally Posted by 7HVN
    Nice work Steve.

    Better than Boggs?
    Oh yeah!

    I was second guessing my decision with the snow delay, but probably about 60 out of the 66 miles were in great condition. After seeing the Boggs aftermath this year, racing in SoCal for the spring was the right call.

    Glad they are moving Boggs VII to May. I will be there.

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    Click here to read a writeup by our second place finisher: http://mtbracenews.com/view_article.jsp?id=291

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