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    Got the Hammer starter kit, now what?

    I got the Hammer Nutrition Starter kit recently but have yet to try any of it.

    "Endurolytes, Fueling Handbook, Hammer Flask, Hammer Gel Raspberry Jug, Recoverite single serving pouch, 7 Hammer Gel single serving pouches, Perpetuem 8 Serving and a quick coin purse"

    I did read through the little booklet, but I'm still unsure what combo of products to experiment with in training. I usually eat a GU every 45 minutes and mix some kind of electrolyte product (Cytomax, GU drink) and feel fine.

    For example: Tomorrow I am riding for 3 hours in 45 deg. weather. I'm 6'5", 190. I will have a 100oz bladder and do not plan on bringing a bottle. What combo of gels and which drink mix would you suggest?

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    Quote Originally Posted by erik99
    I got the Hammer Nutrition Starter kit recently but have yet to try any of it.

    "Endurolytes, Fueling Handbook, Hammer Flask, Hammer Gel Raspberry Jug, Recoverite single serving pouch, 7 Hammer Gel single serving pouches, Perpetuem 8 Serving and a quick coin purse"

    I did read through the little booklet, but I'm still unsure what combo of products to experiment with in training. I usually eat a GU every 45 minutes and mix some kind of electrolyte product (Cytomax, GU drink) and feel fine.

    For example: Tomorrow I am riding for 3 hours in 45 deg. weather. I'm 6'5", 190. I will have a 100oz bladder and do not plan on bringing a bottle. What combo of gels and which drink mix would you suggest?
    For your size I would start out with popping a couple of Endurolytes and head out for the ride. For the first 2 hours you will be fine with just consuming your Hammer jel. With your weight I would think around 3 servings per hour (around 270 calories) will be fine. Each hour pop 2 more Endurolytes, after the 2 hour mark start with your Perpetuem. Since you will only need one more hour of fuel, you could get by with 2 1/2 scoops in a bottle. When done, put 3 scoops of Recoverite in a bottle with some water, shake it up and start to consume it within that 15 minute window of when you quit riding. I usually try to nurse the Recoverite for around 30 minutes. If I drink it to fast it upsets my stomach.
    After 90 minutes, I would put another 2 scoops of Recoverite in a bottle and nurse that for 30 minutes. This will top off your Glycogen storage and leave you ready to rock and roll on your next ride. Oh, I almost forgot. Make sure you don't consume over 24 oz of fluid an hour. You will not need to fill your bladder for a 3 hour ride. You will need around 48 oz of fluid for the first 2 hours and the mix of Perpetuem will get you through the last hour. I'm sure there are some other guys with a lot more Endurance experience then what I have that can offer you some more pointers. Enjoy the Hammer products they are awesome.

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    Hammer fueling

    without getting into specifics (the Hammer material covers it all really well), just be sure you are very detailed about keeping track of what you use & what results you get. Write it down after each workout over 2 hours long (workouts <2 hours your feuling has less impact on performance so you dont learn as much). The effort will pay off in the long run.

    I've used Hammer to get through many 12 & 24 hr races it is the best. You're on the right track....

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    Agreed. Hammer Rocks...

    Reading the book, highlighting info, experimenting
    and keeping track is the best way for sure.

    I'm 6'1" and go about 175 and for a 2 hour ride I usually use
    3 serv hammer gel cut with some water
    (for easy squriting) in a Hammer Flask
    1 20 oz Bottle of Heed
    and about 1/2 bottle of water or more depending on heat.

    You have to experiment. I've done 12/24 solos and did
    what most people "poo-poo" and put Heed or Pepetuem in my
    Camel Back. I was more likely to drink from the Camel Back
    when I was tired and keep getting the proper caloires and electrolytes.
    I would also take a water bottle to get some fresh water too.

    But this is just me. Might make you puke. (just make sure you soak/wash
    the bladder super well post race, or you WILL puke later.)

    This is the time of year to see what works. Good luck and Hammer on!
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    perpetuem is disgusting and made me puke.
    I also was foolish and used it in my camelbak....
    but C'MON!!! "Orange creamsicle" or whatever they call it??? More like warm orange vomitwater. The taste was such a put-off, I chucked my remaining supply after that race.

    I now run sustained energy, with a little gatorade for flavor, plus 2 endurolytes, per large waterbottle. I go through 1 bottle per lap on average, getting any extra hydration I need when I pit.


    I'd be wary about fueling via one company's marketing hype. Try lots of products and decide what works best for you. A lot of the elite racers are paid to say their product is best, but also what works for them might not work for you. Although I use Hammer products, I don't buy into 1/2 of the stuff they put in print. Show me data, show me scientific tests w/ control groups, or stop w/ the BS


    I know this is only semi-on-topic, but do not underestimate the power of comfort foods... something you should incorporate in your training as well to understand what effects certain foods might have on you. I love PB&J sammiches, but can't eat them during a race b/c they cause horrible reflux. I can eat any gel as is during a ride, but when I add my water-bottle mix into the equation, I can't eat the Clif gels b/c it will make me fart like mad. Go figure. Not exactly what one might call "race training" when carrying slices of maple-glazed ham in your jersey pocket, but you should try it if this is something you wish to eat during the race(s).

    Yeah, I rode w/ ham in my pocket. So what?
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    My god, you are right about Pepetuem....it tastes awful. I cut it with more water than recommended in my Camelback. I tasted like skim milk to me, which happens to be the last thing I want to drink on a long ride. I did continue to drink the stuff during my training ride and had no ill effects. I may go back to using Cytomax in my C'back. I can't get over the tast of Pepetuem.

    On a better note I did like the Hammer gel. I ate 4 servings over my 3.5 hour ride along with half a Clif bar. Very easy to put down, IMO. I felt like my energy level was good over the entire ride.

    I'll conitnue to 'speriment.

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    Quote Originally Posted by erik99
    My god, you are right about Pepetuem....it tastes awful. I cut it with more water than recommended in my Camelback. I tasted like skim milk to me, which happens to be the last thing I want to drink on a long ride. I did continue to drink the stuff during my training ride and had no ill effects. I may go back to using Cytomax in my C'back. I can't get over the tast of Pepetuem.

    On a better note I did like the Hammer gel. I ate 4 servings over my 3.5 hour ride along with half a Clif bar. Very easy to put down, IMO. I felt like my energy level was good over the entire ride.

    I'll conitnue to 'speriment.
    First time I had the Perpetuem I though it tasted like dirty dish water. (NOT that I make a habbit of drinking dish water) but for what ever reason it grew on me and gets the job done for me. I think Hammer could do a lot to imrove the taste of what they refer to as
    "orange dreamcicyl" or whatever. You can also add hammer gel to it. Good luck.
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    That's interesting. I happen to find Perpetuem tastes quite pleasant. Granted, it's not so tasty that I crave that particular taste, but on my long rides I find it goes down easy and doesn't leave an aftertaste. Something I'm not fond of in the taste department is HEED. It's not nasty, but it just has a taste that I don't really care for.
    That which does not kill me, postpones the inevitable.

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    I have grown used to the taste of the Hammer products and like the HEED for its milder taste compared to similar products. Hammer products don't contain any simple sugars which may be one of the reasons it doesn't appeal in taste to some. A lot of posts on here are using other products that contain simple sugars at the same time as the Hammer products. Read the info on the Hammer site about the complications with mixing simple sugars and complex carbs. I know from my own experience what happens when I do. http://www.e-caps.com/za/ECP?PAGE=AR...ed%20Questions

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    Quote Originally Posted by skinl19
    I have grown used to the taste of the Hammer products and like the HEED for its milder taste compared to similar products. Hammer products don't contain any simple sugars which may be one of the reasons it doesn't appeal in taste to some. A lot of posts on here are using other products that contain simple sugars at the same time as the Hammer products. Read the info on the Hammer site about the complications with mixing simple sugars and complex carbs. I know from my own experience what happens when I do. http://www.e-caps.com/za/ECP?PAGE=AR...ed%20Questions
    Nobody here is saying to eat Hershey's Special Dark bars for the whole race (although being that this is a masochistic race, I don't see why it couldn't/shouldn't be done) but it is more important IMO to eat real food than it is to fuel with ONLY HAMMER PRODUCTS.

    The psychological benifits of eating "comfort" food is undeniable. Dude, that slice o' ham is the shizzle after drinking gritty water for 6 hours. I also am now a huge fan of Fritos (chili cheese flavor) thanks to the suggestion of a friend when pre-race food shopping. Granted, my tiny $1.99 bag went 1/2 un-eaten, but you get my point.

    Everything in moderation, including your high-priced "Race" fuels
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    Quote Originally Posted by bubbrubb
    Nobody here is saying to eat Hershey's Special Dark bars for the whole race (although being that this is a masochistic race, I don't see why it couldn't/shouldn't be done) but it is more important IMO to eat real food than it is to fuel with ONLY HAMMER PRODUCTS.

    The psychological benifits of eating "comfort" food is undeniable. Dude, that slice o' ham is the shizzle after drinking gritty water for 6 hours. I also am now a huge fan of Fritos (chili cheese flavor) thanks to the suggestion of a friend when pre-race food shopping. Granted, my tiny $1.99 bag went 1/2 un-eaten, but you get my point.

    Everything in moderation, including your high-priced "Race" fuels
    Several key things to remember about this discussion, first eating "real food" can be done during the race, however I recommend avoiding it if possible. The reason being is simple, the more solid food in the stomach, the more blood that has to go their for digestion. When this happens, you are taking blood away from the working muscles, which means you are actually creating your own disadvantage.
    Second, Hammer Products are the highest quality and still the cheapest on the market. They do not use processed simple sugars, artificial flavors, artificial colors, or artificial sweeteners. This means you not only have a stable blood sugar level without the spikes, but you also do not use as much of the fuel as you do from other companies because of how stable the blood sugar remains.
    Third, for those having problems with the taste of Perpetuem I recommend mixing it into a paste. This will accomplish several things, first it improves the taste, I cannot stand it thin, it tastes awful, but thick it tastes pretty good. It also allows you to carry more fuel at one time and keep your calories separate from your fluid intake. This is important because this way you have an easier time monitoring your fluid and calorie intake as they are separate. You will also be able to refill just water in the Camelbak or bottles and it makes for a much more efficient race, especially if you are racing without support as I have done in the past.
    Fourth, as for mixing products, I would advise against mixing any product that contains simple processed sugars with Hammer products as the solution needed to dilute the mixtures for simple and complex carbohydrates are different. Meaning the fluid volumes will never be quite correct in the stomach leading to possible stomach distress. I would flavor the Sustained with either Hammer Gel or HEED.

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    Quote Originally Posted by erik99
    I will try the Perpetuem in paste form next ride. Part of my problem is that I am so used to the sweet taste of Cytomax.
    that's exactly why i love hammer stuff. it's not too sweet. for a long race, all the sugar/sweet tasting stuff will probably get to you. but if you end up hating the perpetuem, i'll take it off your hands...i think you're in the ATL..?
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    I will try the Perpetuem in paste form next ride. Part of my problem is that I am so used to the sweet taste of Cytomax.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Singleisfree
    Several key things to remember about this discussion, first eating "real food" can be done during the race, however I recommend avoiding it if possible. The reason being is simple, the more solid food in the stomach, the more blood that has to go their for digestion. When this happens, you are taking blood away from the working muscles, which means you are actually creating your own disadvantage.
    Second, Hammer Products are the highest quality and still the cheapest on the market. They do not use processed simple sugars, artificial flavors, artificial colors, or artificial sweeteners. This means you not only have a stable blood sugar level without the spikes, but you also do not use as much of the fuel as you do from other companies because of how stable the blood sugar remains.
    Third, for those having problems with the taste of Perpetuem I recommend mixing it into a paste. This will accomplish several things, first it improves the taste, I cannot stand it thin, it tastes awful, but thick it tastes pretty good. It also allows you to carry more fuel at one time and keep your calories separate from your fluid intake. This is important because this way you have an easier time monitoring your fluid and calorie intake as they are separate. You will also be able to refill just water in the Camelbak or bottles and it makes for a much more efficient race, especially if you are racing without support as I have done in the past.
    Fourth, as for mixing products, I would advise against mixing any product that contains simple processed sugars with Hammer products as the solution needed to dilute the mixtures for simple and complex carbohydrates are different. Meaning the fluid volumes will never be quite correct in the stomach leading to possible stomach distress. I would flavor the Sustained with either Hammer Gel or HEED.
    I think you are looking at everythign too black-n-white.
    I suggested food in moderation, and that is key my friends. I am no uber-athlete, I am not genetically gifted. I too use and like Hammer products but I fell like you guys are giving too much credit to the product, and not enough to the other aspects of riding, like the mental-game.
    I'm not trying to sound like a pompus ass here, but in my very short racing career (started season 2 in 2006) I've won 2 races. I ate turkey. I ate ham. I ate candy. I ate chips. In the 24hr i won, I ate a hoagie from Lisa's deli http://www.lisasdeli.com/cold_heroes.htm (200.A) split up into 1/8th's every time I felt awful.

    It isn't race food, it is COMFORT food.
    A cool head is better than absolute power output IMO, especially in enduro-events.
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    Look at my first paragraph, I said you could eat solid food, but in a race such as 12 or 24hrs I recommended avoiding it if possible. In a race such as RAAM solid food becomes necessary.

    Yes comfort food is ok too, but for those looking for the edge or to have a better race as long as the training has been put in, your nutrition will play a difference. If you take two people all things being equal, fitness, etc... then rider with a better nutrition plan will win. Again that is assuming all things are equal and one is not a natural "freak" as it were to be able to win despite themselves.

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    I think all endurance racers are freaks, so no offense taken

    I'm going to get sponsored by Lisa's and then fart italian hoagie gas to slow the competition.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bubbrubb
    Nobody here is saying to eat Hershey's Special Dark bars for the whole race (although being that this is a masochistic race, I don't see why it couldn't/shouldn't be done) but it is more important IMO to eat real food than it is to fuel with ONLY HAMMER PRODUCTS.

    The psychological benifits of eating "comfort" food is undeniable. Dude, that slice o' ham is the shizzle after drinking gritty water for 6 hours. I also am now a huge fan of Fritos (chili cheese flavor) thanks to the suggestion of a friend when pre-race food shopping. Granted, my tiny $1.99 bag went 1/2 un-eaten, but you get my point.

    Everything in moderation, including your high-priced "Race" fuels

    I have been using Hammer products for a few years now, I think they work great, but I think you get sick of anything after hammering for hours. For solid food while racing, I have found that highly proceseed items seems easier to digest. I am a bit of a health nut (think organic, unprocesssed food, whole grain bread, etc) so I usually shy away from this stuff, but stuff like a plain bologne and white cheese sandwich on white bread, or the processed cheeze -n- crackers pack seems to go down (and stay down) with a minimum of the 'nasty burp' effect. Some boiled potatoes with butter (and a side of ham!) works great too. Think protein and carbs.

    I have gotten into mixing the hammer products together to change things up and keep it interesting. Try two scoops of orange HEED with one scoop of lemon lime. Or, mix HEED with a small (1/2 - 1 scoop) amount of Perpetuem. Mix the gels together, right now I am digging on orange & rasberry & apple cinnamon, all together. I didn't like the Recoverite taste at first, but it seems to really be working for me, and I have come to look forward to chugging some down after a hard effort. It seemed a bit better after mixing in a small amount of perpetuem, but I go back and forth on this. Have not tried mixing in the gel, but I am sure that is next. I like mixing it up the night before, the solid particles seem fully dissolved if it sits overnight.

    my $.03......

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    Quote Originally Posted by EzyRider

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    for longer events i mix Perpetum or Sustained Energy into espresso Hammer gel and make a paste that i put in a flask. I only use HEED in my water bottles and always use the Recoverrite after i am off the bike. I haven't used the endurolytes much yet and i plan on starting this year. I have been using Hammer/E-caps products since 1997 and have had nothing but good results with the products

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    I was looking at the hammer site...

    Quote Originally Posted by bubbrubb
    perpetuem is disgusting and made me puke.
    I also was foolish and used it in my camelbak....
    but C'MON!!! "Orange creamsicle" or whatever they call it??? More like warm orange vomitwater. The taste was such a put-off, I chucked my remaining supply after that race.

    I now run sustained energy, with a little gatorade for flavor, plus 2 endurolytes, per large waterbottle. I go through 1 bottle per lap on average, getting any extra hydration I need when I pit.


    I'd be wary about fueling via one company's marketing hype. Try lots of products and decide what works best for you. A lot of the elite racers are paid to say their product is best, but also what works for them might not work for you. Although I use Hammer products, I don't buy into 1/2 of the stuff they put in print. Show me data, show me scientific tests w/ control groups, or stop w/ the BS


    I know this is only semi-on-topic, but do not underestimate the power of comfort foods... something you should incorporate in your training as well to understand what effects certain foods might have on you. I love PB&J sammiches, but can't eat them during a race b/c they cause horrible reflux. I can eat any gel as is during a ride, but when I add my water-bottle mix into the equation, I can't eat the Clif gels b/c it will make me fart like mad. Go figure. Not exactly what one might call "race training" when carrying slices of maple-glazed ham in your jersey pocket, but you should try it if this is something you wish to eat during the race(s).

    Yeah, I rode w/ ham in my pocket. So what?
    and noticed they listed a "plain" perpetuem available to order in addition to the orange/vanilla. They only showed it as available in one size while the other serving sizes were only available as orange/vanilla. Has anybody tried it or is it likely a misprint?

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    It's not a reprint but I haven't tried it. I don't mind the taste of the regular flavor.

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    Quote Originally Posted by POG
    and noticed they listed a "plain" perpetuem available to order in addition to the orange/vanilla. They only showed it as available in one size while the other serving sizes were only available as orange/vanilla. Has anybody tried it or is it likely a misprint?

    That is accurate, they only have the plain in the 16 and the Orange-vanilla in the single, 8, 16 and 32.

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