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    Best hydrapack option

    This year will be the first year I have been on 100 mile unsupported races. In the past endurance races I've done, there has always been support of some kind. I was wondering if just bottles is preferred, figuring you get water in 30-40 miles, or is a waterpack just the way to go, and what brand. I used a camelback for Ouachita 80 mile last year, and it felt heavy on my back and shoulders. Let me know.

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    Go to www.wingnutgear.com

    All your questions will be answered there.

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    I'd agree with Scooter. I have been riding and racing for 17 years. I've used every hydration pack known to mankind and I have a shelf of disgarded packs to prove it. Wingnut can be pricey though they're comfortable enought for a hundred miler race or just a 2 hour XC ride. I own 2 different models, a Hyper 2.5 for endurance racing and an Assault for shorter races and general XC riding. The coool thing about the 2.5 is that all of the storage pockets are accesible while riding.
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    Has anyone ridden with both the Ergon and Wingnut packs? I've been using an Ergon off and on (way more off than on) the past few years and it still gives my back grief. Granted, maybe I need to further adjust it but I'm curious if the Wingnut would work better for me.
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    Another for Wingnut

    Solved the problem of feeling the weight on back, neck, arms.

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    So I'm in the market for a new hydration pack looked at the the wingnut site -- like the looks of the Split back. Any more detailed pictures on where the bladder fits - how easy it is to get in and out, etc. thanks

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    I guess I'm old-school, but when racing, I demand access to my jersey pockets. For packs, I've had the best luck with the Camelbak Hydrobak, which only holds 1.5 liters and includes only one small pocket, which is nicely sized for a multi-tool and CO2 cartridge.

    It's externally refillable, and retails for only $35 with bladder and bite valve.
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    Hydra Pak Laguna for long rides .

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    I have two Camelbacks and a Dueter that I have spend significant time riding and racing with. I prefer bottles when I can get away with it, but on longer training rides without civilization I run the Deuter Hydro Lite 2.0 (http://www.deuterusa.com/products/pr...tion&tert=hydr) and love it. I haven't had any problems accessing pockets with it like some of the larger hydro packs.
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    Camelbak

    I use a Camelbak without any troubles. I like it because I can access my jersey pockets with it on. One trick I learned on Trans Iowa this year was to use two 24 ounce bottles and to fill my Camelbak bladder enough to get to the next town and then some. Usually around 50 ounces. Then, I would drink from the bladder first and leave the bottles for last. This worked wonderfully because even with it having 50 ounces in it it was pretty light and when empty I hardly could feel it.

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    Camelbak Hydrobak

    I love this setup. Like Kosmo said, easy to fill, light on the back and one pocket big enough for my multi-tool, tire boot and co2. The only jersey pocket it blocks is my center one so I carry the emergency tube there. The others are for gels, food, camera, etc..

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    This is worth a look - its comes with a 2l reservoir but I often jam a 3l bladder in it with no issues.

    http://www.camelbak.com/sports-recre...ctane-18x.aspx

    Its light.. and Ive been using it for a couple of years and seems pretty durable. Its not a mountain biking specific pack so I guess its designed to be a touch lighter...
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    The Wingnut Hyper 2.5 is just what I'm looking for!

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    Photos of wingnut?

    Anyone have a photo of them wearing a wingnut 2.5 or 3.0? I just can't get a feel of their size from the product shots on the website.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rich caramadre
    Anyone have a photo of them wearing a wingnut 2.5 or 3.0? I just can't get a feel of their size from the product shots on the website.
    I have a 3.0 and I would compare its size to that of a Camelback Mule. It hangs lower of course in the lumbar region. I have used the Cameback Hawg for over 5 years and the 3.0 holds more gear, is easier to access pockets and just feels better on the long rides. If riding unsupprted I would say 3.0 because you can fit the kitchen sink in there.
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    I've been running a Camelbak MULE for almost three years now. It does the job but it comes at a cost of back/neck pain towards the end of the long rides. All these reviews on the Wingnut have peaked my interest. What kind of bladders are you running in your Wingnuts (specifically the Hyper 2.5)? Curious to know who makes the bladder, what size you are using, etc. The product description really doesn't state what size works in there.
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    I run the female version of the MULE where the shoulder straps pull more inwards. Fits heaps better. No trouble on long rides and carries all my stuff just fine.

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    i have been using a hydrapak Big Sur 3L(100 oz). on longer rides (3-5 hours) I never noticed any pain/discomfort. Plenty of room for spare tubes, tools, food, extra water bottles even with a full bladder.

    cleaning the reversible bladder is a piece o' cake.

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    so does anyone have a picture with them using a wingnut pack?

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    I was going to order a Wingnut based on some of the reviews here and other places. Then noticed that it does not come with a bladder and did not see them for sale on the site. I e mailed W/Nut and they said they're not selling the bladders right now. What?? I did find some aftermarket, but it really pushed the overall cost up. Think I'll just stick with the Deuter pack that brung me, or switch to one of the uber small C'Baks.
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    The only way to keep the cost down is to cannibalize a pack you already own and put the bladder in the new pack.

    Silly business plan, IMO.

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    Love my wingnut Hyper 3.0. I have three camelbak bladders (2 100oz, 1 70 oz.) that all slide in - no issue.

    These bags are handmade by a small manufacturer, here in the US. They are physically much lighter than the equivalent competitors' bags, They are waterproof, wicked easy to clean, and are very, very intelligently laid out. Zippers where you can reach them, pockets on the side, pouches that hang on the shoulder straps with included carabiner rings to keep them from sliding.

    The bag rides much lower and more comfortably than a traditional hydration pack, they leave me cooler behind the shoulders as well, and with the weight lower, it feels a lot more stable on the trail.

    I'd say, yeah, we've been spoiled by the ease of being able to walk into any shop or REI and get C'bak parts, or bags, and access is nice. But Wingnut is a great small company, doing great work beyond making bags, and IMHO, well worth supporting. Bottomline - this bag is pretty much without a rival.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kosmo
    I guess I'm old-school, but when racing, I demand access to my jersey pockets. For packs, I've had the best luck with the Camelbak Hydrobak, which only holds 1.5 liters and includes only one small pocket, which is nicely sized for a multi-tool and CO2 cartridge.

    It's externally refillable, and retails for only $35 with bladder and bite valve.
    +1...I don't even notice it's there when I race with it, and with the small footprint (sits up high on my back) it doesn't trap heat and turn your back into a sweatshop.

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    With the Wingnut, I still felt weighted down and pull back. I have tried all of the ones mentioned here and settled on a Ergon BD-1. It is the only pack that I absolutely forget I am wearing. I use it for all of my riding and racing. For longer rides, I will carry an extra bladder too. The Flink ball joint really allows natural shoulder movement. I just finished by 3rd 12 hour race for the season and didn't have any lower back or shoulder issues from the pack. The BD1 is on sale at Competitive Cyclist too: http://www.competitivecyclist.com/mo...644.491.1.html

    I do prefer the camelbak bladders though.

    There is a bigger Ergon pack, BC3. I would buy it, but haven't found a need for that much capacity yet.

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    Oh cool, I didn't think a C'Bak bladder would fit propper. Good to know. Thanks man!
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    So would anyone who owns one of the wingnut packs be kind enough to post a picture of them wearing it

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    Here's one of me in the staging area at the Miles of Dis-Comfort. All the pics of me actually on the bike with the Wingnut are from the front. You can kinda see how the Hyper 3.0 fits.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sslos
    Here's one of me in the staging area at the Miles of Dis-Comfort. All the pics of me actually on the bike with the Wingnut are from the front. You can kinda see how the Hyper 3.0 fits.
    One thing I've wondered about, given that the various wingnut packs ride so low, is whether you have to wear the waist strap to keep it in place. My guess is you do, which for me would be a deal breaker.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thinkcooper

    I'd say, yeah, we've been spoiled by the ease of being able to walk into any shop or REI and get C'bak parts, or bags, and access is nice. But Wingnut is a great small company, doing great work beyond making bags, and IMHO, well worth supporting. Bottomline - this bag is pretty much without a rival.
    Exactly. Scott is a class act and is really passionate about the stuff that he makes. The packs are without parallel in my opinion.

    If anyone here is in SoCal you should definitely drop by our shop(The Path). We have all of the different models instock.

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    Quote Originally Posted by scooter2468
    One thing I've wondered about, given that the various wingnut packs ride so low, is whether you have to wear the waist strap to keep it in place. My guess is you do, which for me would be a deal breaker.
    Yup, the waist strap is what allows the weight to be transferred from your shoulders to your waist. It's more comfortable than you might think.

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    Thanks sslos for the photo

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    Quote Originally Posted by donkey
    Exactly. Scott is a class act and is really passionate about the stuff that he makes. The packs are without parallel in my opinion.

    If anyone here is in SoCal you should definitely drop by our shop(The Path). We have all of the different models instock.

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    Yep. You sold me mine and I couldn't be happier. I have had zero back issues since switching and honestly I barely notice the pack is there at all. I have been loading it this winter with plenty of gear and food so it is heavy but really don't notice. My only complaint is it seems to be missing a hole for the wire to run for my lights to the inside of the pack. I have been using the outside pocket but would rather have the battery inside.

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    New question here. Bladder fit in Wingnut Hyper 2.5

    Quote Originally Posted by RyderX
    I own 2 different models, a Hyper 2.5 for endurance racing and an Assault for shorter races and general XC riding. The coool thing about the 2.5 is that all of the storage pockets are accesible while riding.
    I like the looks of the Wingnut Hyper 2.5 and would use it for endurance events. I don't see how a bladder goes into and out of the pack. Does the bladder sit horizontally? I'd be grateful if you could please explain.

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    Quote Originally Posted by beninborneo
    so does anyone have a picture with them using a wingnut pack?
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    If you want to stick with more traditional backpack style hydration pack, you should check out Osprey's new Raptor line of hydration packs. I just picked up a Raptor 10 for my short rides and it is really nice. Typical Osprey top-notch construction and a very innovative bladder.

    Here's a link to some Osprey propaganda...

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    To fit a C'bak bladder inside a Wingnut Hyper 2.5:
    - Unzip the zipper on the top of the pack; this exposes the separate bladder pouch in front of the pack's main storage pocket.
    - Slide bladder vertically into pouch (a full bladder is easier to slide in; 70-100oz. C'bak bladders fit fine)
    - Run hose with valve through opening on either side (your preference)
    - Close zipper on bladder pouch

    Notes:
    - I route the hose through the velcro of a strap mounted accessory XY pouch from Wingnut (holds my iPhone and ID). Also use a strap mounted Wingunt Explorer for my trusty Canon A640 and an HD Mino. The chest strap helps to keep the hose out of the way, but easy to get access.
    - Two heavy duty gallon ziplock bags hold my spares/tools and first aid supplies. It's easy to drop in the bags into the main storage pocket, and keep them organized; and they don't bounce around once the pack is on my back. There's still room for extra clothes, food, camera, glasses in the main pocket, and the two side pockets on each side. (on each side, there's a fully enclosed water proofed zipped pocket and a drawstring mesh pocket. The side pockets are really easy to get into.
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    Good job! Great pics

    Thanks for posting the pics and notes, Thinkcooper. Very helpful.

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    Quote Originally Posted by scooter2468
    Go to www.wingnutgear.com

    All your questions will be answered there.
    Never mind on the Wingnut suggestion. I've found a new Camelbak offering that's much more to my liking. The new Octane XCT ( http://camelbak.com/sports-recreatio...ctane-xct.aspx ) is designed to ride low on the back, using a waist belt to secure it, much like the various Wingnut packs. It's lighter than the Wingnut Assault, costs less (got mine for $56 from Summit Hut), and you don't have to buy a separate bladder for it. Oh, it holds a larger bladder, too.

    If you need more carrying capacity, there are two larger sizes that are designed the same way (low on the back, waist band,...)

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    Quote Originally Posted by scooter2468
    Never mind on the Wingnut suggestion. I've found a new Camelbak offering that's much more to my liking. The new Octane XCT ( http://camelbak.com/sports-recreatio...ctane-xct.aspx ) is designed to ride low on the back, using a waist belt to secure it, much like the various Wingnut packs. It's lighter than the Wingnut Assault, costs less (got mine for $56 from Summit Hut), and you don't have to buy a separate bladder for it. Oh, it holds a larger bladder, too.

    If you need more carrying capacity, there are two larger sizes that are designed the same way (low on the back, waist band,...)
    Interesting, but tiny. (200 cu in)
    The larger models look more like a traditional (not low riding) pack.

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    Quote Originally Posted by smilinsteve
    Interesting, but tiny. (200 cu in)
    The larger models look more like a traditional (not low riding) pack.
    I don't carry much, so I was looking for something to compete with the Wingnut Assault. I have not seen the middle Octane pack, but have seen the larger one. It's gargantuan and contrary to the impression from the pictures, it is designed to ride as low as you want it to. The waist band is quite comfortable, at least during an in-store trial, and will support the pack when worn low, allowing you to take the pressure off the shoulders.

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    Quote Originally Posted by scooter2468
    Never mind on the Wingnut suggestion. I've found a new Camelbak offering that's much more to my liking. The new Octane XCT ( http://camelbak.com/sports-recreatio...ctane-xct.aspx ) is designed to ride low on the back, using a waist belt to secure it, much like the various Wingnut packs. It's lighter than the Wingnut Assault, costs less (got mine for $56 from Summit Hut), and you don't have to buy a separate bladder for it. Oh, it holds a larger bladder, too.

    If you need more carrying capacity, there are two larger sizes that are designed the same way (low on the back, waist band,...)
    I have been using an older version of the XCT as an every day pack and I LOVE it. The side wings, bungee, etc. Perfect size for up to two hours unsupported. Beyond that or if you need more clothing storage, etc, it is not enough. A buddy just got the Octane 18X and that has been a good choice for a non-bike specific pack.

    I also have a Deuter pack with the mesh panel back system...absolutely great. One of my fav packs ever, and feels better than any pack I have owned when stuffed full.
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    Wingnuts Assault will fit Camelback 2L bladder

    PLUS a mini-pump, multi-tool, small bottle of lube, 2 tubes, keys, and a couple of bars. Cell phone goes in shoulder strap pocket.

    Just thought you might like to know.

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    another competitive looking field

    Why don't they make a pack that we can wear on the front of our torsos. That way we can sweat off our beer guts. Which none of us would have if we did ride LOTS Like.the cannibal.did.
    Quote Originally Posted by sslos View Post
    Here's one of me in the staging area at the Miles of Dis-Comfort. All the pics of me actually on the bike with the Wingnut are from the front. You can kinda see how the Hyper 3.0 fits.
    HTH,

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    Quote Originally Posted by mechastrisand View Post
    Why don't they make a pack that we can wear on the front of our torsos. That way we can sweat off our beer guts. Which none of us would have if we did ride LOTS Like.the cannibal.did.
    You can't sweat off your beer gut. Burn calories and get in shape. No such thing as spot reduction.

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    Hydrapak sale

    If you hurry, The Clymb is selling Hydrapak packs for less than half price. Do me a favor and use my referral code, www (dot) theclymb.com/invite-from/JimMackay

    Good luck!

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    I've asked this before in another thread, but has anyone tried the Sette 100 oz. Hydration Packs? Or any CamelBak knock-offs that they would recommend?

    Pretty much just using it to ride 3 hours at the most!

    Thanks

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