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    As one of the organizers for a mid-state XC, MTX, and DH series, I'd like to know something else.

    Our series takes all profits and puts them back into the three local clubs that run the series. The only person who walks off with any bling in their pocket is the pit mechanic that is hired for the day. The profits go to purchase trail building tools, send people to trail schools and seminars, and provide the clubs with gear and goods to run social riding events such as poker runs, picnics, and such. After blathering on about how Jeff K has hurt the sport, what does Stuey do to actually promote the advocacy efforts that drive the initial interest (not to mention the trails that make up his courses) in "our sport"??

    Oh...and we'd never think of running a race on soupy trails. Although I understand that it would be difficult to cancel or postpone a race of the magnitude of the (tongue in cheek) "world" championships.
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    Trippled entries

    Hey, I just called my insurance company today and increased the number of racers to be covered. The 24 Hours of Pisgah is this coming week end September the 17th and entries keep coming in. The only disapointing thing to me is that we still have no solo women. Despite the fact that the winner will get $500 cash. That is even if only 1 women enters. They just have to complete 6 laps, and finish after 12 noon on Saturday the 18th. we have like $ 20 thousand worth of cash and prizes, and will not only give great prizes to the 1st 3 places in eash category, but will be giving prizes for silly reasons thru out the race. Then we have the post race party. Live music, I free beer to each racer and $2 beers the rest of the night(French Broad Brewing Co. great beer). Proceeds to benifit WNC alliance. Free on site cooked slow smoked pork BBQ with slaw, Baked Beans, a desert, and lemonaid or tea. You can also keep your free campiong spot or free cabin (enough cabins for 60 teams). Oh yeah, t-shirt, pint glass, sticker, energy gels,energy bars, yada yada yada. in entry package. How can you not do this race? http://enduroadventures.com

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    Quote Originally Posted by fireboy
    As one of the organizers for a mid-state XC, MTX, and DH series, I'd like to know something else.

    Our series takes all profits and puts them back into the three local clubs that run the series. The only person who walks off with any bling in their pocket is the pit mechanic that is hired for the day. The profits go to purchase trail building tools, send people to trail schools and seminars, and provide the clubs with gear and goods to run social riding events such as poker runs, picnics, and such. After blathering on about how Jeff K has hurt the sport, what does Stuey do to actually promote the advocacy efforts that drive the initial interest (not to mention the trails that make up his courses) in "our sport"??

    Oh...and we'd never think of running a race on soupy trails. Although I understand that it would be difficult to cancel or postpone a race of the magnitude of the (tongue in cheek) "world" championships.
    The lack of response speaks volumes. Stuey's apparently for Stuey, and no one else, nice ethic.
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    Why does this reply from henker try to open a browser to some porn spam site?

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    Oh, cause ALL his posts are spam posts. Someone eject this retard por favor.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mward
    Why does this reply from henker try to open a browser to some porn spam site?
    its not just a spam site...my virus pro sez its deleting a trojan

    hes not just a retard, hes an *******

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    Quote Originally Posted by rey
    hes not just a retard, hes an *******
    how appropriate for this thread...lol
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    Lawyers

    Quote Originally Posted by hmosley
    I am the girl with Mono.
    This past Friday, I made a trip over to my Lawyer. I will hope to see that we all follow through with are gut feelings on this issue, and do not let things just go. Someone needs to be held responsible.

    Boo Hoo. You got sick and want a refund or a transfer. The agreement is really simple - no refunds. Also read the comment from the other promotors on this thread - refunds in general simply don't work. Then you have everyone asking for a refund and they can just blame it on being sick.

    Just donate your slot to someone who can not afford it.

    Also, a lawyer is always going to tell you that you have case. Get your checkbook out and get ready to pay a lot more than your entry fee to the lawyer - with a VERY small chance of winning anything.

    The 24 hour promoters can contact me as an impartial witness for the defense who understands what no refunds mean.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lotus
    The 24 hour promoters can contact me as an impartial witness for the defense who understands what no refunds mean.
    Of course no refunds means no refunds. At least one person noted that nowhere on the 24HOA website does it say no refunds. I haven't searched myself, so that is second hand. The other point comes back to customer service.

    My wife and I were registered for a race on Sunday and 15 minutes before race time my wife crashed (a big ridge in the pavement in the sun/shade transition, riding with one hand on the handlebar). She landed on her face, scraped her chin and legs and cut her lip on her braces.

    When we went to the promoter's tent for some first aid, the first thing she (the wife half of the promotion team) said was that my wife shouldn't race, and that she could apply her entry to any of the upcoming races in the series. That's customer service.

    If there isn't a specific policy on the website, then Stuart is just causing himself and others grief. This is especially true when he won't tell the poster if she can transfer the entry to another event or to another rider. This comes across as mere greediness, and any promoter that engages in this is certain to lose more money than they gain by keeping someone's entry fee.

    BTW my wife started her race, but the heat and injuries caused her to pull out after two laps. She is a tough one, that's for sure. And one other thing, we will happily send entry fees to this promoter again.

    The promoter is Gone Riding and they do races throughout the SE, including 3 12 Hour races.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jimbo
    Of course no refunds means no refunds. The other point comes back to customer service.

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    agreed. just a little bit of respect and service goes a looooooong way. even without refunding or reapplying an entry fee, simply answering with respect might not be too much to ask.

    lets face it: the guy had a great opportunity in a public way to augment his business rep, and he fell flat on his face. woops. pretty obvious that the value he places on his solo racers is a bit low. so, if you buy mr. stueys product, dont think you is buying mr. stueys commitment to you as a valued customer.
    he does respect that 300 dollar entry fee tho.

    the marketplace can be a harsh thing, but the harshness can work both ways.

    also concur: Gone Riding is indeed a class act.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lotus
    Boo Hoo. You got sick and want a refund or a transfer. The agreement is really simple - no refunds. Also read the comment from the other promotors on this thread - refunds in general simply don't work. Then you have everyone asking for a refund and they can just blame it on being sick.

    Just donate your slot to someone who can not afford it.

    Also, a lawyer is always going to tell you that you have case. Get your checkbook out and get ready to pay a lot more than your entry fee to the lawyer - with a VERY small chance of winning anything.

    The 24 hour promoters can contact me as an impartial witness for the defense who understands what no refunds mean.
    Hey Lotus: If you read Heather's statement, she says: "My beef originally, was that his refund policy, clearly states that if a solo racer notifies him 30 days prior to the race that you would be refunded 1/2 of your entry. I was told no refunds. "

    I don't think anyone is arguing that if the policy had clearly stated "No Refunds" from the beginning, they would in any way deserve a refund if they could not participate due to illness or fault of their own.

    And, Stuey apparently won't allow you to "donate your slot to someone who can't afford it". Any more suggestions?

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    Hey Lotus,
    Get off your high horse & read the thread.

    The original issue of refunds revolves around Stuart changing the date and refused refunds quoting a policy that is no where to be found.

    In addition, Stuart refused to let people donate or transfer entrances so please get your facts straight before listing dismissive & sarcastic posts.

    Other race directors did quote refusing refunds when people drop out due to personal reasons, be it sickness, injury, ? However, when a race director changes the event date less than 60 days out with out a valid reason they should make an offer to participants in the name of ?Good Customer Service.?

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    Boo Hoo?!?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lotus
    Boo Hoo. You got sick and want a refund or a transfer. The agreement is really simple - no refunds. Also read the comment from the other promotors on this thread - refunds in general simply don't work. Then you have everyone asking for a refund and they can just blame it on being sick.

    Just donate your slot to someone who can not afford it.

    Also, a lawyer is always going to tell you that you have case. Get your checkbook out and get ready to pay a lot more than your entry fee to the lawyer - with a VERY small chance of winning anything.

    The 24 hour promoters can contact me as an impartial witness for the defense who understands what no refunds mean.
    Boo hoo!?! I am not SICK. I have a knee injury that I have been struggling with for 3 months. 24 HOA showed me no compassion or concern whatsoever. It was simply no refunds, no transfers, no donating your spot, no nothing, simply, you lose your $300 buddy. Also, the cancellation policy actually allowed a 50% refund for solo racers which is also being denied.

    Most other respectable oganizations, like Team Big Bear, would refund my money or apply towards another race in the future. However, 24HOA simply does not care about my situation or anybody else's but their own.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Enduro Adventures
    You know, I started a 24 hour race last year . Wow what an eye opening experiance. I advertised and gave (even more than I advertised) all the things I thought were lacking. When I worked out a budget it cost way more than I dreamed to put on the race. Everyone wants a piece of you. You have to get around $100 bucks per person. Well this year I am doing even more than last year, down to a free party with live music for the racers after the race so they can enjoy it. I have free cabins, hot showers,darnd good entry packets. I give a hydration pack or simalar prize to racers at random when they come in. We have drawings, we have a lot of vendors, we have music. We have it all. You know If you want a quality race from someone who races themselves. Look around. Give them a chance. The Burn, Southern Lights. All good races from the little guy. Check out http://enduroadventures.com Give us a shot.
    NWGA SORBA racers raced the 24 hours of Pisgah and it was a blast you will deffinately see our team there next year in full force 4 raced the event this year we will bring over 20 next year. This was an event we dont mind spending for because you (Pisgah) did give back to the Racers in so many ways very well run event. Thanks.

    I think personally after trying to contact Stewart several times with no responce e mail or cell phone (24 HOA), and after contacting the people at the Horse Park to advise them I felt that when a team paid over $1200.00 in race fees that I felt we should be able to at least contact the Race promoter if we had a problem with the web site registrations. The only thing that went well about the registration was it took your credit card money with out any problems.

    If one team is paying that kind of money You would think you could communicate with the people putting on the event. Our registrations still say incomplete??? I do hope the events go's goes better??? This may be a ploy to milk $100 more dollars out of our groups if so you can bet it will be the last 24HOA our team does.


    Truthfully better communications on the part of 24HOA and all of these post would probably never have happened.

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    my .02

    I wrecked badly during my pre-ride of the Tsali course before the 12 Hours of Tsali, the day before the event. The following morning, with two knees the size of softballs, I asked one of my pals to just let the Gone Riding folks (the awesome Bergers) that I wouldn't be competing, so they wouldn't wonder about my number never showing up. The pal came back and told me that when I felt like shuffling down to the registration trailer, the lovely Bergers were prepared to offer me a full refund, minus my Active.com fees (which of course they never saw). Just goes to show that some promoters know it's about more than keeping all the money.
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    Wink The Bergers are very nice to work with.

    Quote Originally Posted by MallieD
    I wrecked badly during my pre-ride of the Tsali course before the 12 Hours of Tsali, the day before the event. The following morning, with two knees the size of softballs, I asked one of my pals to just let the Gone Riding folks (the awesome Bergers) that I wouldn't be competing, so they wouldn't wonder about my number never showing up. The pal came back and told me that when I felt like shuffling down to the registration trailer, the lovely Bergers were prepared to offer me a full refund, minus my Active.com fees (which of course they never saw). Just goes to show that some promoters know it's about more than keeping all the money.
    I broke four ribs the week before that race as well, the Bergers at Gone Riding do a great job in all their races

    Iv also herd from a friend of mine that he has already gotten his registration fee back from the 24 HOA that he could not make the race this week end. I guess there is a way to communicate with these people but Iv not been able to get them on the phone or to answer an email.

    I pre road it this past Friday, my question would be where will everyone take showers? I dont mind riding 6 or 8 hours without stopping without a shower but something about riding with a team every two to three hours, Im going to want a shower LOL. I didnt see any facilities????

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    Just curious after all the flames...did anybody attend?

    obviously I did not...

    I cant get any info from there website...
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    Quote Originally Posted by The SS Boz
    Just curious after all the flames...did anybody attend?

    obviously I did not...

    I cant get any info from there website...
    There is a discussion on the race over on the SORBA site. Stuarts race rant is included:

    http://www.sorba.org/modules.php?nam...ewtopic&t=4398

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    i did

    yeah, and we won our division, for the third year in a row! while we were waiting for the awards, we were offered a raffle for water bottles basically. about 15 minutes past 2 (when the awards were to begin), a few people started to vocalize that the promoters were running late, and there were people that had a long time to drive. Stuart responded by saying that if we (all of us) were so impatient, that we should just go home. Yes, that was a quote, except for the parenthesis. Nicely stated. A few actually did leave then.

    We were given our awards- anyone who won a jersey that was a small was out of luck- as they didn't have any. The women weren't too happy with that. Fortunately they had a medium for me. They announced our win- but said nothing of it being consecutive. I guess that wasn't important enough to pay attention to. oh yeah, and there was no "pasta party" at the end. we just had to sit and wait while our stomachs ate themselves. i guess it costs to much to put that on nowadays...

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    Quote Originally Posted by rey
    yes, that is a cool aspect as it stands now. at 12 hours of razorback last year i blew by both Tinker and Etough!

    Amd then the race started.......

    Im not getting involved in this discussion except to say you didnt blow by eatough at reddick last year. he wasnt there! ; )

    it was 2 years ago he was there racing with us. we're working on another 'guest of honor' for the '06 event.

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    Uuh, last year was 2004, and Chris Eatough was there. I'm glad you're working on a guest of honor, that would be awesome (TB maybe?), but I think the way rey was speaking was correct. I would say 2005's race was this year, and 2004's race was last year.

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    Im not getting involved in this discussion except to say you didnt blow by eatough at reddick last year. he wasnt there! ; )

    it was 2 years ago he was there racing with us. we're working on another 'guest of honor' for the '06 event.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jimbo
    Uuh, last year was 2004, and Chris Eatough was there. I'm glad you're working on a guest of honor, that would be awesome (TB maybe?), but I think the way rey was speaking was correct. I would say 2005's race was this year, and 2004's race was last year.

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    sorry, miscommunication.

    as of now its not TB

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    Have to eat some of my words...

    Quote Originally Posted by The SS Boz
    Just curious after all the flames...did anybody attend?

    obviously I did not...

    I cant get any info from there website...
    So I did this event. Some friends had their fifth drop out and so I agreed to sign on. I figured that Stuart already had the money, so I was doing my friends a favor and the race itself should be fun.

    The race was indeed fun. The course was well marked, the results fairly timely, once they were first posted. The volunteers were great. The amenities were pretty minimal, but I expected that. I actually had a great time, and had no beef with the way the race was run.

    Until...

    It was time for the awards. The website says (and it was said at the venue) that results are posted at 1:15 and after the 15 minute protest period they are final and awards begin at ~1:30. Well apparently approx. 1:30 means 2:30 because that's when the results started. In the interim they had a contest for kids to pick up the zip ties they were cutting (only one kid one a prize, bollocks I say), and finally at a bit after 2 started the raffle. They raffled off wonderful prizes like: a 20 ounce bottle of gatorade, a gatorade water bottle, and a visor. The announcer read the numbers really slowly and dramatically, as if they were giving away something fancy (bollocks I say).

    Around 2 they are just putting tires by the stage for the awards ceremony, and people are starting to get grumbly. Stuart says it takes time to get everything organized for the awards ceremony. Bollocks I say, we paid them $300-$1000 for them to be organized and ready for awards. He then tried to have us vote for which of his brothers-in-law was the Frank #1 (I'm not making this up, I swear).

    A bit later, people are getting more grumbly, and someone asks (this is second hand, I couldn't hear) what Canadian for hurry up is. Stuart replied (this I did hear) "It's times like this that make me wonder why we even bother coming back to this place." (because we pay you $300-$1000, and still pay even though you crap on us). After a chorus of boos he back pedaled and said that their staff was tired because they didn't sleep either.

    Finally he gets started with the awards, and says the reason they were late was that they were frantically searching for the medals, which they never found (I say bollocks, see above about organization).

    Anybody who stuck around for their prizes, which were paltry (a pair of tires for 2nd and 3rd and a jersey for first), couldn't leave until 3 and some had a really long way to go. How far does Stuart travel the night after a race? I really, really wish I had listened to my wife and left at 1. I thought they would do what we paid them to do and had the awards ceremony on time. Other people had things to say about whether he really pulled an all nighter and whether he really was looking for medals, but since that is second hand I won't repeat it.

    I really had a great weekend up until the end. I know they don't provide the extras that events I have previously mentioned do, but the race was well done, and fun. My teammates were great, the volunteers were great, all the other participants were great. Everything was dandy until Stuart Dorkland (intentionally misspelled, like Larid) screwed up and put his foot squarely in his mouth.

    I won't be back, and I will sign my name to this to guarantee it. I do want to say first that these views are my own and that they in no way reflect those of my teammates. I am sure they had a great time as well, and they probably have no problem with the tardiness of the awards, Stuart Dorkland, or his comments.

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    I got a lot of pictures (as I decided not to race). Here are just a few of them...

    Last climb on the Steeplechase side of the course


    Wow, MTBR advertising!


    Expensive tag....collectors item?


    Mens solo podium...with prizes shown
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    I went and if it wasn't for the freinds and volunteers this event would not be worth a $30 XC Race entry fee. Hats off to all that volunteered and persevered.

    24 HOA is the worst race of all 3 I went to this year and I certainly won't be supporting it under the current management again.

    Stuart is an ass and proved it first hand.

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    Fortunately, I had the pleasure of not racing this one. I am going to Pisgah and Knoxville, TN for endurance races this month for a cheaper combined cost than doing the 24 HOA race just 30 minutes from my house.

    I agree that Stuart is a horse's backside and I will NEVER do another race that he has any part of promoting, organizing, or whatever. Go ahead, ban me. I don't care. I've raced the Conyers 24 HOA for the last three years and will not give him anymore money.

    I am one of the folks that Jimbo eluded to when he commented about second hand comments about why Stuey was late doing awards. I sat near the back of the "crowd" of maybe 50 folks -- sat right in front of the retail tent. From 1:30 to a little after 2:00 Stuey re arranged apparel racks and personally re-stocked them with merchandise from the back of the tent. THEN, he has the nerve to annouce that he has been looking for medals which he had lost, just before announcing as a BTW that there was a special mark down on sweats in the retail tent. I say "HORSE HAWKEY!" He was simply stalling so he could sell more clothes to make up for his over $40k loss in apparel sales this year. Yes, Stuart, if you're listening, some of us know about these things.

    I am also one of the grumblers who told him to get on with the awards at 2:15 (which apparently is the same time someone made the comment about the Canadian word for hurry up). We had ALL been up since Saturday morning, some of us racing, others -like me - supporting. I was working with five solo riders who all, BTW, had top 10 finishes -- great job!!

    There are too many local races and local promoters who put on GREAT races and stick with what they say the will do. Pisgah Productions, Southern Lights 24-7, Enduro Adventures, Charlotte Sports Cycling -- just to name a few. Costs are less and you get more -- breakfast the morning of a 24 hour race, sweet prizes for the winners AND for raffles, and most of all great support from the promoter throughout the registration process to the cleaning up after the awards.

    Stuart, if you're listening, you have a lot to learn about customer service. You would not exist if it weren't for the racers. And in case you didn't notice, attendance was down at Conyers by about two-thirds. That says something. And the whole banning of riders? Whatever, Stuart. Grow up. Ban me - my name is Charles Myrick, Jr. Not that you have to worry about me racing your events again anyway. I had a great time hanging out with friends and watching the masters of our game do their thing. I got to learn from Eddie O and his pit crew and from Andrew Gilchrist and Peter Rajcani who basically go self-supported. These guys are true legends of our sport. I went to Conyers for them. Ernesto whatever his last name is that races for Speedgoat -- a great guy. Yea, he beat my friend Eddie O, but he admitted that Eddie had him worried! These guys make our sport the great thing it is -- not guys like Stuart.

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    I was at this shadow of 24HOA Conyers of past. This is my 5th at Conyers.

    Some perspective. I'm a trail rider, it takes something to get me out of the Mountains, so I couldn't care less about the race aspect. I never read this thread until after the event and was shocked see some of the reasons for my observations.

    What has made this event in past years it's resemblance to a bike festival with racing.

    A big part of this was the staff that ran it. All seasoned MTB'ers with a love of riding and a fun /friendly attitude. An additional bonus would be, together with SORBA, they would leave an enhancement to the trail. Last year it was a couple of jumps among other things. These guys were fun. This year they were gone. I'm not saying the young lads that replaced them didn't work hard (from reading previous posts they were probably worked like dogs) but they were just that young green lads. They were also noticeable by there absence during the event. It all seemed to be ran by volunteers this year.

    The Second thing that made it was the volume of riders and their support. Although still as top quality as ever it was half of what would normally be expected.

    After reading this thread I'd like to know the real reason Night Pro Lighting Systems never turned up. The tent was put up but no-one manned it. As local riders who only ride 24HOA only have this system and were expecting support will of been let down. During the whole event there was no announcement to let people know about this. A note on the tent letting people know would of been the least they could do so people could arange getting charges. Lucky for me I brought my fast chargers.

    I must say MAVIC neutral support did a stand up job as ever. Good Job Guys and Gals. Also, Night Rider were top quality and did all they could to sort the lighting issues.

    On the fees. They are very high for what you get, especially as we staff the event. But I choose to pay it and used to walk away happy.

    The goodies. Swag was none existent. As one of my team members mentioned on inspecting the bay "There's not even any stickers". I mean we all only really do it for the stickers

    The raffle was a joke. They dragged it on for hours and gave noting of merit away. I managed to snag some left over Gatorade concentrate and was pissed until I realized it was the star prize. They wondered why hungry tired racers were getting ratty.

    Not that it affects me but the prizes for the podiums were a joke. What does a sponsored rider need with 2 tires? It's not even like they can be sold for any reasonable value.

    This all brings me to Stuart. I never knew this guy existed until he started bleating on about the law suit at the race last year. And then came out to give us (the riders) a lecture later on. He managed to start this year with the same lecture. Dude we as riders cannot/ don't want to control rouge riders riding a public trail we have other things on our mind. Hire more staff to control it. Then there was the final straw this year when he started to get funny with an audience they had just alienated. At this point I walked off from the award ceremony but was still in range to hear the final comment "It's things like this that make me wonder why we keep coming here". Simple answer is don't someone else will take your place and collect the thousands of dollars you are getting.

    24HOA great company destroyed from the top down RIP.

    Southern Lights Great job loved them. 24 hours of Pisgha been hearing great things will be there next year. Granny gear please come to the south east. All learn from this thread.

    P.S. did anyone ever find out why the date was changed?

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    Quote Originally Posted by erik99
    There is a discussion on the race over on the SORBA site. Stuarts race rant is included:

    http://www.sorba.org/modules.php?nam...ewtopic&t=4398
    Thnx for the info everybody....i missed being so hungry i could eat my helmet sunday

    I hope to enjoy that feeling at the upcoming 24 hours of ruston in November....hope some of you guys can attend...

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    24 hrs of Ruston?

    Hello

    Can you give me a URL for the 24 hrs of Ruston? I dont have it on my calendar and need to get it included, and Google didn't help me find it.

    Thanks!
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    I was there for the third year in a row. The coed team I was on, Slowspokes/BOD1, put in a valiant effort and finished second. It was fun chasing Four Peas in a Pod all weekend. We had them concerned. That was my reward! Thanks to my teamates and all our support crew! You guys rock!!!

    Cogratulations to all who found success, big or small! Bad Lasses kick asses (Shey, you know you're proud and congrats to your team too)! To Eddie O, Jen W, Fred Spring, and all the solos; you guys are such an inspiration!

    The people make this event! From the volunteers, to the participants, and especially the friends and family that come out to watch. As someone mentioned earlier, it's more like a festival that has a race going on at the same time. Thank you to all of you who make the pain fun! It's ashame that the management doesn't get it!!!

    I do not plan on attending another 24HOA event. I will not work that hard for 24 hours, and pay that much money, to be bashed at the end by the promoter I paid all that money to. I actually walked away when it started to go pack even before he suggested it.

    Also, I can't end without mentioning the disregard for what local racing series' are doing. The GAP series here in Georgia had an event planned this weekend when the 24HOA management change the date. The promoter of that event, SORBA, is the same organization that usually prepares the course for 24HOA. Well with the last minute date change, SORBA was not able to propperly prepare the course, and had to reschedule their own event. This change has turned what was going to be a two day fund raising event for SORBA into a one day race event.
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    Wow! Some of y'all really know how to take the fun out of mtn. biking.
    I just returned from my 5th 24 HOA event at Conyers & it was just as much FUN as it was the previous 4 years. We came in 23rd out of 25 teams in our class. We suck, but we have FUN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    I ran into Stuart out in front of the hotel as we were leaving & we had a great talk with him. Every year we have a chat with him & he's always nice & funny & helpful. How many of ya'll have actually tried (NICELY!) to just talk to him?
    I did 24 Hours of Canaan back in the day & after the 1st 2 years at Snowshoe (all mud, mostly unrideable course) we chose not to do that event again. Funny how after the # of competitors dropped at Snowshoe GGP starts suing other promoters. Hmmm...
    Mtn biking is supposed to be fun, people. Some of ya'll should sell your mtn bikes & stick to drop bars & skinny tires where these atittudes are appreciated.
    As far as complaining about volunteers... SERIOUSLY!?! My wife, who doesn't ride, looks foward to her volunteer shift. It makes her feel more a part of the whole experience.
    In regards to Stuart's rant towards the end, if somebody attacked my nationality & I hadn't slept for 2 days, I would have done alot more than just rant...
    We saw alot of familiar faces this year, as we do every year. Maybe because we hang out with other riders who are there for FUN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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    Don't let these people get you down. There are plenty of us who appreciate all that you & your team do. I know it's hard work. Thanks for a GREAT race again this year. I hope you keep it up. If you do, you can count on us to be there (with our volunteer) for our 6th year!

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    Quote Originally Posted by brially
    IP.S. did anyone ever find out why the date was changed?
    The date was changed, actually, not because of anything that Staurt did -- from what I understand. There is another event at the Horse Park this coming weekend -- the original date of 24HOA -- and the Horse Park folks decided to move our event. However, Stuart has never stated that -- which is IMO a problem. I am not sure if it's a horse event or the Civil War reinactment (yes, this is the South after all) but either way, the folks who use the park more got the nod on keeping their date. Sure, we spend a lot of TIME riding out there, but we, mountain bikers, do not rent out the park and spend our money there but once a year whereas the horseback riders spend a great deal of time and money at the park.

    (Please don't get me wrong, I am not defending Stuart in any way whatsoever.)

    If Stuart had discussed this up front, at least some of the flack would not have happened. It still doesn't change or take away from the way the racers were treated this weekend and his attitude. He is supposed to be a professional and I don't care how much sleep you haven't gotten, when you're talking to a group of folks who just spent the last 25 hours on a bicycle, your lack of sleep is not an excuse. It comes down to customer service, and he has lost his edge in the market.
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    Quote Originally Posted by drtnsnw
    ,. Funny how after the # of competitors dropped at Snowshoe GGP starts suing other promoters. Hmmm...


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    Facts are facts, man. Look at the year the lawsuits were filed by GGP, and then look at the # of teams at Snowshoe vs. the previous year. Sharp decline in participants. Coincedence?

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    Quote Originally Posted by drtnsnw
    Facts are facts, man. Look at the year the lawsuits were filed by GGP, and then look at the # of teams at Snowshoe vs. the previous year. Sharp decline in participants. Coincedence?


    you come up with a product, get it patented, and then watch as competitors steal your patent-protected product, which results in a decline in your own sales. you then do what? you're absolutley correct. facts are facts. laird won the lawsuit, because he was in the right.

    also.....READING COMPREHENSION. stuart consistently treats the consumers like dirt. so he's nice to you. woo hoo! i'm sure every a$$hole in the world is nice to a few people. but you're probably right, every single person who chimed in on this forum and others with negative views are all lying.

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    No good

    Bitter people have no fun...
    Ya'll just WANT someone to hate...
    I guess you can't nail your bosses on Outlook, so nail a race promoter in cyberspace...
    Pretty weak...

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    wow just when ya think a thread from 2 months ago was gone.........bam i bring the fire back.....go me!

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    What facts?

    Quote Originally Posted by drtnsnw
    Facts are facts, man. Look at the year the lawsuits were filed by GGP, and then look at the # of teams at Snowshoe vs. the previous year. Sharp decline in participants. Coincedence?

    What facts are you citing? Were you there when the lawsuits were filed? Do you have irrefutable evidence that Laird sued Stuart because he was low on cash?
    You are merely spreading rumors based on conjecture.

    Great first post though.

    For the record, I was at all 5 Snowshoes and Big Bear plus I have done 3 24HOA events and the 24 Hours of Pisgah. I had fun at every one of them. The real fact is Laird's a nice guy, has passion for the sport (and it shows) so does Ken. Stuart may have had that once, I dunno, but he is a dick to people and if he doesn't change, people are going to go somewhere else (it's already started, there was a fraction of the people at this year's 24 HOA that there was last year and it wasn't because of the rain).

    If you want to praise someone, fine. Just stop with the bull$hit rumors.
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    Maybe ya'll should start hating me since I had fun at the race...
    Hate me because I feel like I got my money's worth...
    Hate my wife because she enjoyed her volunteer shift...
    Hate, hate, hate...

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    Quote Originally Posted by drtnsnw
    Maybe ya'll should start hating me since I had fun at the race...
    Hate me because I feel like I got my money's worth...
    Hate my wife because she enjoyed her volunteer shift...
    Hate, hate, hate...

    wow. no one's bagging on you personally. you are just slinging crap. i'm sure EVERYONE who raced had fun. these races are what you make of them, and i'm sure all participants enjoyed the race and eachother's company. read through all of the posts on this forum and the ones on sorba.org. no one's complaining about a lack of fun. most are posting their frustration with stuart's attitude and lack of tact.
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    Quote Originally Posted by drtnsnw
    Facts are facts, man. Look at the year the lawsuits were filed by GGP, and then look at the # of teams at Snowshoe vs. the previous year. Sharp decline in participants. Coincedence?
    Laird even admits that attendance dropped at Snowshoe due to the fact that riders didn't like the course. They tried really hard to work it into decent shape, but the conditions were always working against them. That was one of the reasons they changed venues this year. Check the attendance at the other Granny Gear events.
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    I'm not saying anyone's bagging on me personally, just that there is so much HATE on this site for one person.
    Every race promoter has people that hate him/her because, as the old adage goes, "You can't please all of the people all of the time"...
    I don't believe in Nike. I think they are a morally bankrupt company, but I don't go onto websites every day & trash them. I just don't buy ANYTHING they make...
    Same goes for McDonalds. I have not spent a dime in a MickeyD's (or Chipotle) for about 3 years now, but I don't go trashing them in cyber-space...
    If you don't like a product, don't buy it... It's that simple...
    People in this thread have made PERSONAL attacks, regarding BUSINESS decisions...

    Our sport was founded by a bunch of pot smoking hippies. Attitudes like this take all the FUN out of it.
    Attitudes like this are why mtb sales are down...
    Just RELAX, you ride a bike in the dirt, ENJOY it...

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    Quote Originally Posted by drtnsnw
    People in this thread have made PERSONAL attacks, regarding BUSINESS decisions...
    I'm only going to interject b/c you are oblivious and I am not about to get into a word fight with stupid people who don't know facts. If Stuey is making business decisions by personally attacking US -- his customers -- then it's only so he can go out of business and have someone else to blame it on. Just like he is doing with anything you ask him -- it's all Larid's fault according to Stuey. Stuart has personally and directly done hurtful things to many folks -- grassroots and pro racers alike -- as a result of his pure selfishness and greed.

    As for Laird, I've never done a GGP race but having seen that he haas a program to get us free race entry if we raise $$ for the Am. Lung Association, I am going to be looking into his races next year. I don't really give a rat's backside about the lawsuit b/c I don't really know the whole story -- nor do I care to anymore. Laird's deal with ALA shows me that he wants to give back to someone / something and that he doesn't do the race promotion just to put cash in his pocket. He found a way to get $$ for something that he apparently believes in while promoting our great sport. Way to go dude!

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    Quote Originally Posted by drtnsnw
    Our sport was founded by a bunch of pot smoking hippies. Attitudes like this take all the FUN out of it.
    Attitudes like this are why mtb sales are down...
    Just RELAX, you ride a bike in the dirt, ENJOY it...
    You are absolutely right. I love riding my bike and had a great time at the race. Standing around waiting for awards w/o explanation, while they raffled off water bottles and tried to get us to buy more stuff takes the FUN out of it. Is trying to get us to buy more of their branded clothing the type of thing a bunch of pot smoking hippies would do?

    Stuart intentially mispells his competitor's name (it's LAIRD, Mr. Dorkland) and bans a rider from what he calls the WORLD CHAMPIONSHIP for stating that it would be nice if riders got more for their money. He is childish and petulant. We are merely pointing that out. Taking out our annoyance with being told off by someone we paid large sums of cash is not a bad attitude, it is merely what a business owner can expect when he doesn't treat his customers with respect.

    You can talk to my wife or friends, it takes quite a bit to really annoy me and what happened at the awards was over the top.

    This is my last post on this topic, I've made too many already.

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    Don't bring the principles of the original MTBer's into your discussions on races and the organised sport of mountain biking as they different philosophies. It hasn't disappeared it's just organised MTB moved on.

    we are still out there living it if you look up from your lap times and race results. We still head out every weekend find a downhill or trail, that challenges us, get baked and tear it up just for the feeling. The biggest prize we are looking for is the best story over a beer and that perfect run.

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    Such is my point. We didn't even check our lap times or results until it was all said & done. (23rd out of 25)
    We sucked...
    But we had a blast doing it...

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    You really don't get it do you?

    Put it this way....if you go out to eat and get treated like crap are you gonna go back to that particular eatery? What if the food was great but the service was soo bad that you wanted to talk to a manager? If you did decide to go back what if it happened again and again 2 or 4 times....would you still eat there?

    After you quit eating there because the service sucks are you going to let your friends know about your experience?....

    Are you starting to get it? It's not about how much fun you had....

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    I really had alot of fun at this race (as I have at the 3 previous 24 HOA's I have attended) but Stuart's attitude really sucked and I doubt I will come back because of that alone. It is a shame because GIHP is an awesome place for a race and the course was in fantastic shape despite the hammering it got the day before from all the rain.

    We led the 4 person open for awhile but faded after dark as we experienced some fatigue and gastrointestinal related problems. We all still had fun though. To bad the promoter's gotta be an a$$.

    The email (didja get one too?) from Stuart apologizing for his comments are just a little to late IMHO.

    Please somebody take over this race next year. It would be a shame to miss it.
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    I wonder if you would have received an apology email if twenty4sports weren't monitoring this thread as often as they do - (the beauty of the user list at the bottom of the screen).

    and following all the bad press did you get the speech/email that begs for good post on mtbr.com if you had fun that weekend, because we got that one after hurkey 2.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GMoney

    and following all the bad press did you get the speech/email that begs for good post on mtbr.com if you had fun that weekend, because we got that one after hurkey 2.
    Now that is freaking hilarious.....how pathetic.

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