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    What bothers me most about twenty4sports is they changed the date without regard to any of the local organizations. SORBA, who has always supported and helped twenty4sports, stands to lose a lot of money due to the date change. The Tumbling Creek race which is a huge fund raiser for SORBA is on Oct 8-9. The Tumbling Creek race date was not set until AFTER twenty4sports published their dates. I am really not happy with twenty4sports at all for this date change.
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    One thing I'm not seeing mentioned here about the Granny Gear races: I just noticed last week that they have a deal with the American Lung Association that if you raise $400 for ALA, you race for free.

    Therefore, Granny Gear is giving us -- the riders -- a way to participate for free AND they are giving something back. For this, I give Laird props. That's why I make the statement that for all practicle purposes, I can fly from Atlanta to Moab and do the race there cheaper than I can race 20 minutes from home. Again, I'm with Namrita in that I'm looking at this as a solo competitor. Can I come up with $400? You bet - my sponsors would love to pitch in on that one!
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    I sent Stuart a note the other day stating that I'd volunteer my time to help with set up and during the race at Conyers instead of paying to race -- two days later, no response. Given I've heard that they're a bit short handed, I thought he would have jumped on my offer. I'll gladly help out b/c I have many friends who are racing so I'd actually be helping them out too! If he doesn't want my help, I'll go cook for someone and drink some Terrapin Beer all weekend!

    hmmm, Stuart stiffed Heather....this ain't good! Um, if you haven't seen her results, you should check 'em out. It would have been pretty sweet to have her around these parts.

    Hope you get to feeling better, Heather! BTW, I loved the time I spent in the Upstate region. There's nothing better than hiking Gothics, Armstrong and Lower (maybe it was Upper?) Wolfjaw in February -- except maybe hiitin' Mt Marcy!

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    Quote Originally Posted by twenty4 sports
    NEVER have we said that a team or solo rider could not have a full refund... NEVER! For those of you out there posting faults statements you are damaging the sport... get you facts correct first.
    Now you're calling me a liar. I am only quoting this person from the Sorba Forum:

    Finally, a note for those considering bailing on 24HOA. I was told via reply to my email, "They can't do refunds"!
    Obviously this person was lying. He never really emailed you and you never really emailed him back.

    Thanks, I was actually considering helping out some friends who needed a fifth (I figured they had already paid and thus 24HOA already had the money), but with this crap, fuggitaboudit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jimbo
    Now you're calling me a liar. I am only quoting this person from the Sorba Forum:



    Obviously this person was lying. He never really emailed you and you never really emailed him back.

    Thanks, I was actually considering helping out some friends who needed a fifth (I figured they had already paid and thus 24HOA already had the money), but with this crap, fuggitaboudit.

    jimbo
    I know Jimbo's post was dripping with sarcasm but just so everyone will know, the guy who posted that on the SORBA forum is someone who is really involved, well known, respected, knows what's up and is in contact with the race coordinators of many different organizations.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jimbo
    Now you're calling me a liar. I am only quoting this person from the Sorba Forum:



    Obviously this person was lying. He never really emailed you and you never really emailed him back.

    Thanks, I was actually considering helping out some friends who needed a fifth (I figured they had already paid and thus 24HOA already had the money), but with this crap, fuggitaboudit.

    jimbo
    I guess the only way *we* are going to win here is if we go elsewhere. 24 hours of Pisgah this year, and several others next year..

    Thanks, I've learned a lot by reading this thread.

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    I'll never do another race held by 24S as last year I felt the blame game rant before the race and the fee hike constantly going up since my first 24 race in 1999 was too much. I will instead ride the smaller less expensive races and enjoy them knowing I didn't break my wallet and still get to compete against top class folks.

    Same with our local series. It has turned to crap! I'm now starting to do adventure races and 12/24 hour events as the regular MTB XC here in GA blows!

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    contacting Stuart

    Quote Originally Posted by k2biker
    I sent Stuart a note the other day stating that I'd volunteer my time to help with set up and during the race at Conyers instead of paying to race -- two days later, no response. Given I've heard that they're a bit short handed, I thought he would have jumped on my offer. I'll gladly help out b/c I have many friends who are racing so I'd actually be helping them out too! If he doesn't want my help, I'll go cook for someone and drink some Terrapin Beer all weekend!
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    just a quick fyi, Stuart is in Whistler right now setting up for Worlds, I'd expect a delay in email comms with him.

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    My only real beef

    Do a Granny Gear solo and enjoy a 50% payback for the podium.
    Do an Adrenalin event and get a plaque or a Hydrapak. Be told the money goes to the World championships. Notice how much easier it gets to qualify for the World's every year in order to draw more participants.
    Realize I can just do other events for closer to $100(like the Burn 24 hour race) and, as a solo rider, still not enjoy anything other than riding for 24 hours. I only benefit from post race meals and prizes. Midnight corn-roasts and fireworks do nothing for me.

    Promoters can do what they want. It's their race afterall. If people don't like it they will stop coming. Look at Snowshoe with attendance dropping @ 50% over 3-4 years. It is easy to consider an event prestigious when they spend a lot of money on advertising, but some of us just want a good time with good friends. I just spent over $2000 on the Trans Rockies, but I had an original experience. How many 24 hour races are offering something new for the money after all these years??

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    Quote Originally Posted by k2biker
    One thing I'm not seeing mentioned here about the Granny Gear races: I just noticed last week that they have a deal with the American Lung Association that if you raise $400 for ALA, you race for free.

    Therefore, Granny Gear is giving us -- the riders -- a way to participate for free AND they are giving something back. For this, I give Laird props. That's why I make the statement that for all practicle purposes, I can fly from Atlanta to Moab and do the race there cheaper than I can race 20 minutes from home. Again, I'm with Namrita in that I'm looking at this as a solo competitor. Can I come up with $400? You bet - my sponsors would love to pitch in on that one!
    It's actually $800 for solo racers, $400 per member on a team. I raised $1000 last year for Temecula and I'm planning on doing the same for Moab. I think it's a great thing that GG does for the American Lung Association, I hope it continues for a long, long time...
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    Direcly from an email exchange

    I won't be able to make to the WSC this year. I emailed Stuart yesterday about it before reading Heathers blog and her situation. As I was drinking my coffee this morning settling into work I found this post. Now I wouldn't normally consider posting an email exchange in a public forum but in this case I though it might actually be helpful.

    The following is the full email exchange between Stuart and I. Besides the expensive solo entry fees, I am bothered that I have to wait until November to find out about my situation. And perhaps with this post I can kiss my entry fee good bye.

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    Mario,

    I understand and we will look at it after the season is completed. The policy states no refunds, but as I mentioned we will look at this in November. Sorry but thats the best we can do right now.

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    On Aug 17, 2005, at 5:52 PM, orange oppa wrote:

    Stuart

    Perhaps there was a misunderstanding. I don't want a refund I just want to apply the entry fee to either next year's WSC or to a different Adrenalin event. Or if those two aren't viable options is it possible to say apply it to a friends entry fee that isn't paid in full yet (assuming of course that it's not paid in full yet...I haven't checked yet)?

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    Hi Mario,

    sorry to hear you are unable to make it this year. Currently our refund policy (that each athlete accepts during the registration process) states that there are no solo refunds. At the end of the season (November) we will look at each scenario, but can't promise anything other than our policy at this time.

    again sorry that we will not see you this year and please follow up in November with us.

    sincerely,

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    On Aug 17, 2005, at 1:04 PM, orange oppa wrote:
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    I sent an email some time ago asking if I could transfer my entry fee from this year to next year's WSC or to a different Adrenalin event. Due to family circumstances, I will not be able to particpate in the WSC this year.

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    sorry to hear that everyone is having bad news with adrenalin. I do feel in my gut that we will not see are refunds ever.

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    24hoa

    I had to chime in,
    I have participated in 3 24hoa's.
    I have had great fun and loads of success with Aaron, Kevin and most of the pervious 24hoa staff, however, the owner is a rude and argumentative individual with no concept of customer service or really how to speak to people .

    I have never had a race director speak to me, or at me, like Stuart has.

    The only reason I continue to do 24hoa is due to the fact that I see so many of my friends and cycling compadre's at these events, the fun and camaraderie is exceptional.

    Maybe Stuart could take lessons in etiquette from the Southern Lights gang, or better yet, let's get everyone in Metro Atlanta out to Southern Lights next year.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gmanatlanta
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    Maybe Stuart could take lessons in etiquette from the Southern Lights gang, or better yet, let�s get everyone in Metro Atlanta out to Southern Lights next year.
    I second the kudos for 24-7. what a great bunch of folks! I appreciated the fact that the organisers came through after dark and asked if I needed anything.
    despite the rain I had a great time!

    one of my favorite moments from the race: a volunteer at the first water station at 3 a.m. or so, in a pouring rain, singing (and doing a credible job) "you've lost that lovin' feeling" -- kept me chuckling all the way through to mile 5, where my brakes ceased to work. but no matter, crashing in the mud was goooey and soft

    having read all the above, looks like I'm opting out of conyers and shooting for 24 HOP instead. I wont be participating in the N.U.M.B.A though, unless my rash clears up by then

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    Wink I will be there

    24 sports - sorry to buck the trend on here but I will be there ready to race. Dates sometime have to change and yes it is expensive to enter. However, my time is worth money and a few hundred bucks for me to have fun all weekend long is well worth it. Come on people, it is a bike race. Let some positive energy flow and if you have to opt out due to other obligations maybe you could look for someone who wants to race and have them take your place and pay you back. Life is too short to worry about stuff like this. Hope to see everyone out there.

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    Upset No Refunds

    Quote Originally Posted by hmosley
    sorry to hear that everyone is having bad news with adrenalin. I do feel in my gut that we will not see are refunds ever.
    I am having similiar issues with Stuart and 24HOA. I am registered for the 24 hours of HC in September. Unfortunately, I have become injured and will not be able to attend. I emailed Stuart and requested a transfer to another event. He responded, a week later I might add, indicating that there are no refunds per policy, but may consider a transfer after the end of the season in November.

    I asked for a copy of this policy that is apparently not posted on the website and I still have not received a response, which was over two weeks ago. This is just ridiculous. This operation has just gone down the tubes. Not only is this one of the most expensive events out there, they also require volunteers to staff the events? Whats up with that?

    I would really be suprised if I do another one of their events. There are so many other events that are cheaper and much better run. I don't need to support a promoter with this type of attitude.

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    what comes around goes around

    funny - i see who is viewing this thread right now - hi guys!

    it looks like November is some sort of specail date promise from 24 sports - based on other promises they have not followed through on, i suggest you call your credit card company and challenge the charge on your card

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    Well, with all the money they collect with that $10/per person "web usage" fee when you register, they should have plenty left over to refund those affected by their date change at least. Geez.

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    $10 web usage fee ! ?

    Whats next? Wal-Mart charging for parking.

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    refunds

    Hi everyone.

    As a former promoter I can't help but chime in on all the "no refund" complaints. I've raced for 17 years and have yet to enter a race that offers a refund if you get sick, injured, the dog eats your homework, etc.. Some allow transfers to other events, some don't, it is often a grey area, and seems to be so with 24 HoA. It does not appear to me like Adrenalin is out of line with what other promoters offer, regardless of what the outcome is in November.

    Once a promoter hands out a single refund they get bombarded by dozens more requests for refunds. It is a good way to go clinically insane. Don't believe it? Put on a race & try it yourself. Barring massive screw up by the promoter, the only sensible refund policy is no refunds at all.

    If a promoter changes the date that is different, but so far I haven't seen anyone who got bumped from Conyers complain that they could not get a refund. Anyone here in that boat? Did I miss someone?

    Just my $0.02 from a past life on the other side of the aisle.

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    Amen

    Quote Originally Posted by kretzel
    It does not appear to me like Adrenalin is out of line with what other promoters offer, regardless of what the outcome is Just my $0.02 from a past life on the other side of the aisle.

    Cheers,

    Agreed! And like I was saying. Donate your spot to someone who can't afford it if you can't make it due to the date change. Same goes for the person with Mono. Or, follow the Nike moto - Just shut up and race.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lotus
    Agreed! And like I was saying. Donate your spot to someone who can't afford it if you can't make it due to the date change. Same goes for the person with Mono. Or, follow the Nike moto - Just shut up and race.
    I would LOVE to race..but the only problem is that I can't afford it. So, Mr. Lotus, if you have $320 to sponsor me...I will race Solo Female. Or, if there is anyone out there that can't use their entry due to the date change, I'll gladly take the donation, and will "shut up and race". Thanks.

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    market forces at work

    Quote Originally Posted by Lotus
    Agreed! And like I was saying. Donate your spot to someone who can't afford it if you can't make it due to the date change. Same goes for the person with Mono. Or, follow the Nike moto - Just shut up and race.
    We are seeing good old fashioned market forces at work. Which, by the way, include free sharing of opinions/reviews of products/events, and a percentage of people taking their racing dollars elsewhere after their assessment of available info. In this regard, seems to me like the solo racers are a more sensitive barometer of "product" than the teams.

    No doubt fun will be had by all participants, solo or team. after all, mtbr's arent exactly a bunch of shoe gazers.

    As far as the validity of peoples beefs with 24 sports, they would be poor businessmen/women to not come away with some useful info from this thread in how to improve their business..

    so, pay and race this one or not, but please, folks, dont "shut up" about it. I found this thread very informative.

    This is a forum, after all, and if everyone "shuts up" that don't make for a very lively forum, does it?

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    Refunds, Donating entry fee, Nam you want my entry?

    I don't have not problem with the refund thing. That's standard with most races I've done.
    What I thought was silly and bothered me the most was not being able to transfer my entry fee to another Adrenalin event. I don't see what the problem is with that. Enlighten me. I could have raced Hurkey or Fountain hills solo but since I won't know till November I've already changed my race schedule. I don't ever plan on shutting up but I'll still race.

    As far as donating or transferring my fee to another racer perhaps you didn't read my previous post. Didn't sound like that was an option. BUT... If namrita shoots off an email to Stuart about transferring my solo entry fee to her and he say's yes them I'm game with that. Someone might as well get some fun out of it. Disputing the charges through the credit card company is not an option for me because I paid back in April...more then 60 days have passed.

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