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    $3500 Budget - FS Endurance'ish Bike ~25lbs?

    Is this possible? 100-120mm.

    So far I think the Salsa Spearfish gx1 is the only thing that comes close. Looks to be about 26lbs and a bit over 3500.

    Im doing my first 50miler this coming weekend on my Beargrease with 27.5+ wheels and a RS Bluto (probably 28lbs). I'm lucky because its a fairly smooth route, but during my training I noticed, the longer rockier trails were just too much... for my body after 30-35mi

    Used Epic Carbon seems to be an option, but not sure about Brain. I am looking for comfort and small bump compliance over the long haul and worry the epic will be too racey?

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    What size are you looking for? I have a medium 2016 Jet9 RDO, Nox carbon wheels, full XTR, Enve cockpit, excellent condish. Just under 23 lbs. PM if you want more details.

    Great for endurance ride and keeping your body feeling fresh over long distances.

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    The bikes that come to mind immediately would be a Cannondale scalpel, specialized Epic, or a Scott Spark. Get one of those used and you would find one in your budget for sure. The niner jet9 offered above is also an amazing bike.

    Did you want to stick with 27 and 1/2 or go to 29?

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    2018 Giant Anthem 29er. $3750 MSRP. Good Geo. Carbon Wheels. GX Eagle. Efficient suspension design. Good warranty. I'm guessing they are around 26 lbs too.

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    Thanks for the input guys. The scalpel looks the most comfortable. I used to own a Stumpjumper HT 29, and have ridden my friends Epic FSR Comp carbon 29 of the same year, and it was very similar to my hard tail, the comfort benefits were minimal, especially compared to my Fuel EX 29 with 120mm.

    I know 80-100mm travel frames wont be earth shattering in the comfort/med hit dept, but the epic felt harsh.

    I like Scott (my road bike is a cr1 that doubles as a gravel grinder), great carbon layup. I am going to try and find a demo.

    Quote Originally Posted by The Fazz View Post
    2018 Giant Anthem 29er. $3750 MSRP. Good Geo. Carbon Wheels. GX Eagle. Efficient suspension design. Good warranty. I'm guessing they are around 26 lbs too.
    ^THIS. One of my LBS has one, large, and I am definitely interested. Looks like a smoking deal. Not sure about meastro susp. I mean Giant is a world brand, so I cant imagine I could go wrong. especially with those components.

    The other one I am now considering is the XT Yeti ASR-C. It's a little more expensive (4k), but I've always wanted a Yeti ever since I used to live in Golden, CO. I also like the 120mm front fork.

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    Yeah, I'm mainly doing 50+ Mile races and I plan to get one as soon as funds allow.

    I've been on Giants for a while and I like their Maestro suspension. It's very similar to the dual-link suspension designs like DW-Link (which people rave about on bikes like the Pivot 429 SL).....in fact there was even a lawsuit due to the similarity. I like this style of suspension as you don't need to use a lockout to stay efficient (like on a Spark, Top Fuel, or Epic-Brain). Just leave the shock in the platform setting and forget about it.

    Giants also seem to be quite reliable. Their pivot bearings are quite large and hold up to abuse. Their warranty is very good (lifetime for original owner).

    For me, if money was no object, I'd get a Yeti too. I especially like the SB bikes, however the lighter single-pivot ASR-C apparently descends quite well and my friends love theirs. However, I have heard it said, that if you want a Yeti, buy two. They seem a bit fragile, and sometimes they take a while to get replacement parts.

    The other thing is that this is a pretty good time of year to pick up a bike on closeout, so keep your eyes peeled. You might find a bargain on a 2017 bike when the new colors for 2018 come out....unfortunately, the Giant Anthem 29er is a new model for 2018, so you won't find deals on those.

    In the end we're probably splitting hairs as bikes are all really good these days. I'm sure you'll love whatever you get.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Fazz View Post
    I've been on Giants for a while and I like their Maestro suspension. It's very similar to the dual-link suspension designs like DW-Link (which people rave about on bikes like the Pivot 429 SL).....in fact there was even a lawsuit due to the similarity. I like this style of suspension as you don't need to use a lockout to stay efficient (like on a Spark, Top Fuel, or Epic-Brain). Just leave the shock in the platform setting and forget about it.
    The Maestro copying DW issue only applied to the first iteration, which was used on the Iron Horse bikes, but from that point, they diverged significantly. At this point, and over the last several years, they aren't even close. What is close are the bikes like Yeti, Intense, Santa Cruz, Canfield, these all use fairly flat AS curves up around 100% through a large portion of the travel (at least halfway) before dropping off, which gives consistant pedaling performance in/out of the saddle, with more or less sag, when the suspension compresses and when it doesn't, etc. Even quite a few single-pivot bikes are now offering similar kinematics, such as the Evil bikes and Devinci. This is only one aspect of how a bike will react of course, the leverage ratio and shock tune are also two important features. Despite being designed by major manufacturers, some bikes still have wacky leverage ratios, the incorrect shock for the application/rate (coil or air), incorrect tune, etc.
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    Everyone seems pretty skeptical of the Bulls bikes, but you might want to consider those. I read as much as I could and went with a Wild Edge team (I don't think the dumb name helps with marketing); XTR 11 speed build, RS-1/xx, 100mm, for $3200 shipped; - it sounds kind of like what you're looking for, and it was a new xtr fs I could actually afford. My friend bought one too, he had a really hard time deciding between M and L, he's about exactly between the two, but went with a Large. Mine is XL, it's about exactly 25 pounds with XTR pedals/tubeless with sealant and a bottle cage (Peyote front Thunder Burt rr, now appx 25.75 pounds with Control casing Ground Control 2.3s). I think the XT version is about a pound heavier, but $900 less. I've had it about 3 weeks, raced only hardtails prior, it's so much more comfy and smooth, and I have no complaints at all about the climbing.
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    A little higher priced...but: any opinions on the Turner Czar for Endurance XC? Looks good on paper, but is it still relevant?

    Sorry for the hi-jack, but didn't want to start a whole new thread.

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    Check out the Norco Revolver 9.2 FS. I demoed the 9.2 and loved it, I ended up buying a frameset and building it up. It's a very fun bike.

    24.2 lb.

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    Wait until Canyon enters the US market. Coming a little later in the year.

    Full suspension XC bike, at 25 lbs for under $3500:

    https://www.canyon.com/en/mtb/lux/lu...-pro-race.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigWheels7 View Post
    Wait until Canyon enters the US market. Coming a little later in the year.

    Full suspension XC bike, at 25 lbs for under $3500:

    https://www.canyon.com/en/mtb/lux/lu...-pro-race.html
    I am looking forward to this

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Fazz View Post
    2018 Giant Anthem 29er. $3750 MSRP. Good Geo. Carbon Wheels. GX Eagle. Efficient suspension design. Good warranty. I'm guessing they are around 26 lbs too.
    Large is 25.7 as it comes in the box from giant. Easy 24 with a few diet items.

    I was coming to say giant anthem. I ride one. Its the best bang for buck in the industry for 25lb, you can pay 5k for a 24lb all carbon trek top fuel. Or get the anthem and have money left over. And be just as fast.

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    " Its the best bang for buck in the industry for 25lb" (anthem).
    I disagree, I'm probably as cheap (or 'frugal') as anybody here, - I don't think you can beat the 'Bulls Wild Edge 29+' (not a plus tire, just the name): full carbon frame, 2x11 xt (shimano is 1x ready with just a properly spaced chainring), RS-1 & monarch xx (one button dual lockout), FSA SLK. Especially as 1x it would likely be right around 25pounds tubeless, $2300 shipped and no tax (in most places). 2x10 xt and slightly inferior parts for $2100.
    Not a bad price for parts for your next build if you don't like the Bulls frame.
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    Hi Jim,

    That Bulls does look like a screaming deal. Did you mean $3200 shipped? (even then it's a great deal).

    I can see on their website the "MSRP" is $6399 and they have a 50% off summer sale on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jimPacNW View Post
    " Its the best bang for buck in the industry for 25lb" (anthem).
    I disagree, I'm probably as cheap (or 'frugal') as anybody here, - I don't think you can beat the 'Bulls Wild Edge 29+' (not a plus tire, just the name): full carbon frame, 2x11 xt (shimano is 1x ready with just a properly spaced chainring), RS-1 & monarch xx (one button dual lockout), FSA SLK. Especially as 1x it would likely be right around 25pounds tubeless, $2300 shipped and no tax (in most places). 2x10 xt and slightly inferior parts for $2100.
    Not a bad price for parts for your next build if you don't like the Bulls frame.
    I disagree. Let me know when you need a part at a race two hundred miles from home. I bet i find a giant dealer before you find a bulls dealer.

    I guess the best deal in the industry is a wal mart bike then. You have to factor in more than just the actual bike. Using all those parts on another bike, now thats a sweet idea.

    The bulls has long chainstays and the geo is nothing like an anthem. Or any of the other bikes. Its a good bike though. I just cant say a mail order bike is better than one that has dealers in every city.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigWheels7 View Post
    Wait until Canyon enters the US market. Coming a little later in the year.

    Full suspension XC bike, at 25 lbs for under $3500:

    https://www.canyon.com/en/mtb/lux/lu...-pro-race.html
    This is close to as good as the anthem but the wheels are hot poop trash. Anthem has carbon wheels. Carbon frame poop wheels, or alu frame good wheels. Of course you can probably upgrade the canyon wheels to be about the same total investment.

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    I guess im a little torn now, even since starting this thread. My 27.5+ Beargrease is a great XC bike. Great fit and reasonably light and definitely could be lighter with a few cheap options.

    What i dont have in the stable is a 130-150mm rough rider. Here in the CO front range there are plenty of trails where 130mm+ rear travel would be welcome and definitely not fun on a HT.

    An XC bike like the anthem will buy me some serious comfort compared to the BG over the 50-100 mile mark but not much else. So do i suffer with the BG in the races and play on the big stuff with a Trail bike? Or do i ride with a little more speed and comfort on an anthem and avoid the jumps and big drops around town? I guess i could race a stumpjumper fsr....

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    Quote Originally Posted by pOrk View Post
    I guess im a little torn now, even since starting this thread. My 27.5+ Beargrease is a great XC bike. Great fit and reasonably light and definitely could be lighter with a few cheap options.

    What i dont have in the stable is a 130-150mm rough rider. Here in the CO front range there are plenty of trails where 130mm+ rear travel would be welcome and definitely not fun on a HT.

    An XC bike like the anthem will buy me some serious comfort compared to the BG over the 50-100 mile mark but not much else. So do i suffer with the BG in the races and play on the big stuff with a Trail bike? Or do i ride with a little more speed and comfort on an anthem and avoid the jumps and big drops around town? I guess i could race a stumpjumper fsr....
    Slice it down the middle and get a ~120mm rig, like an Ibis Ripley, Pivot 429Trail, etc. I love my fatbike in the winter, but have no desire to ride it in the summer faster than about 5mph, other than for commuting. I know lots of guys that endurance race on light ~5" machines though. If you can't afford two FS bikes, that may be the ticket, build it carefully to meet a target weight or plan on specific upgrades to do so. With carbon rims from LB and Nextie and smart choices like DT 350 hubs and others, you can control weight and still make some good choices for $$$.
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    Best Trail bike to double as endurance bike

    I started the thread above with the intent of finding a bike that can do both trails and endurance races.

    Narrowed it down to the New Jet 9 or Pivot Trail (both 120mm). I just need to decided if I want to go 27.5+ for trail days and 29er for XC days. Or just go 29 and use wider tires for trail days.

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    "Let me know when you need a part at a race two hundred miles from home. I bet i find a giant dealer before you find a bulls dealer. "
    Do you break a lot of frame parts? I'm generally pretty easy on equipment, and I've still got my old bike if there is a failure.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jimPacNW View Post
    "Let me know when you need a part at a race two hundred miles from home. I bet i find a giant dealer before you find a bulls dealer. "
    Do you break a lot of frame parts? I'm generally pretty easy on equipment, and I've still got my old bike if there is a failure.
    I am HARD on my equipment, really hard, and I haven't yet broken my XC bike hucking off drops and jumps that I shouldn't be doing. I really need to get my 130 bike fixed...

    A local dealer that has frame related parts wouldn't be a selling point for me, if the bike was decent enough to begin with

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    This bolded statement right there tells me all I need and that you should need to make your decision If you've always wanted a Yeti and can afford it, the ASR is a great race weapon or trail bike, can't see you not liking the options it provides.

    Quote Originally Posted by pOrk View Post
    The other one I am now considering is the XT Yeti ASR-C. It's a little more expensive (4k), but I've always wanted a Yeti ever since I used to live in Golden, CO. I also like the 120mm front fork.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LyNx View Post
    This bolded statement right there tells me all I need and that you should need to make your decision If you've always wanted a Yeti and can afford it, the ASR is a great race weapon or trail bike, can't see you not liking the options it provides.
    I agree with lynx. Partially because I want you to post photos though so I can vicariously live through you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sidewalk View Post
    I am HARD on my equipment, really hard, and I haven't yet broken my XC bike hucking off drops and jumps that I shouldn't be doing. I really need to get my 130 bike fixed...

    A local dealer that has frame related parts wouldn't be a selling point for me, if the bike was decent enough to begin with
    If it's not your carbon frame that fails from such repeated hard impacts, affecting the fatigue life with each huck equivalent to 1000s or even 10,000s of normal cycles, it'll probably be your axles, or something else that has limited fatigue life gives out first.

    I'm gonna start doing huck offs with you now, in the name of science and observing what happens.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Varaxis View Post
    I'm gonna start doing huck offs with you now, in the name of science and observing what happens.
    Science!

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    I got the Bulls Wild Edge for $2K shipped all XT. My LBS owner still rides with me, bc he couldn't come close on anything and I still get all my parts and service through him. I also bought a complete set of spare parts (rear linkage and hanger). It's comparable to my old 2014 Scalpel 29 Carbon 2, but 1/3 of the price with a tiny bit more flex in the rear. I actually like the longer chain stays as it feels more stable going down. On a budget it's a great buy and if the frame doesn't hold up I can buy a XC frame on clearance next year and probably still be ahead on price overall. I love the RS1 fork, which I know is controversial by itself. It's better than the lefty 2.0 IMO and my lefty had 2 warranty repairs after 500 miles in 2014. With 500 miles on this bike the wheels are still true and the rear linkage is holding up well. If the sale is still on it's worth considering.

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    If you look around, you can find Carbon/SLX salsa spearfishes right now for $2500. I was just at Garrisons in Delaware today and they've got a few still. If I had room in my garage I would grab one. I had the old version and it was fantastic for all day rides.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tfinator View Post
    I agree with lynx. Partially because I want you to post photos though so I can vicariously live through you.

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    If you look around, you can find Carbon/SLX salsa spearfishes right now for $2500. I was just at Garrisons in Delaware today and they've got a few still. If I had room in my garage I would grab one. I had the old version and it was fantastic for all day rides.
    Speaking of Salsa, and for the sake of closing this thread out, I ended up picking up a carbon Bucksaw X01. What can I say, im a sucker for fat bikes. It will be great for all day rides, just not particularly fast, and my plus wheelset from my beargrease will go right on. Pics to come.

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    Well... What does it weigh?

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    Hum, bit off tangent to what you were looking at With some PLUS wheels/tyres on there instead of the Fatties, that would actually be a pretty decent trail ripper and definitely very comfy for long days. Guy who visits has one and even with the fat whees/tyres it's pretty light, swap to the right PLUS setup and you might be very close to your desired weight goal.

    Quote Originally Posted by pOrk View Post
    Speaking of Salsa, and for the sake of closing this thread out, I ended up picking up a carbon Bucksaw X01. What can I say, im a sucker for fat bikes. It will be great for all day rides, just not particularly fast, and my plus wheelset from my beargrease will go right on. Pics to come.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LyNx View Post
    Hum, bit off tangent to what you were looking at With some PLUS wheels/tyres on there instead of the Fatties, that would actually be a pretty decent trail ripper and definitely very comfy for long days. Guy who visits has one and even with the fat whees/tyres it's pretty light, swap to the right PLUS setup and you might be very close to your desired weight goal.
    It's going to be for long hauls 50-100, just mostly not timed events. I plan to swap the plus wheels over and remove the dropper. Salsa says 30.9 lbs... After those changes I expect to be around the 28 range. That's acceptable to me. But unfortunately, on my first ride on the way to the TH, I managed to run over a nail and put it through the rear carbon wheel... literally. So freakin stupid. So Im in the process of swapping the X01 cassette, XD driver, and discs to a Mulefut I had from my other fat bike. I am angry in my heart today.

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    00 Budget - FS Endurance'ish Bike ~25lbs?-a337c90e-5a67-4b87-90dd-f8214f301563.jpg

    Bout to kick off the season with my first 12hr gig. Here is the Bucksaw with Ardent/Ikon (29) combo. Just figured Id rehash this thread with the final product. No official weight, but probably Id guess 27 with 3 lbs coming off tubes and tires and almost another lb coming from the dropper. I call it the Buckfish.

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    Sweet man, good luck with that journey, remember, nutrition is the key, once you keep the nutrition coming in on a regular basis, everything else should work.

    What wheels have you ended up with there, guessing something in the i30mm IW range? If so, some of the new lighter 2.6x29" offering might be worth taking a look at. I'm waiting for the 29x2.6" Rekon to be released, think that'll be a sweet tyre and if Maxxis would then release a 2.6" Ikon to pair with it

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    Bout to kick off the season with my first 12hr gig. Here is the Bucksaw with Ardent/Ikon (29) combo. Just figured Id rehash this thread with the final product. No official weight, but probably Id guess 27 with 3 lbs coming off tubes and tires and almost another lb coming from the dropper. I call it the Buckfish.
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    Bout to kick off the season with my first 12hr gig. Here is the Bucksaw with Ardent/Ikon (29) combo. Just figured Id rehash this thread with the final product. No official weight, but probably Id guess 27 with 3 lbs coming off tubes and tires and almost another lb coming from the dropper. I call it the Buckfish.
    Nice! What race are you doing? Mesa Verde? btw, looks like we're in the same relative area. Good luck!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by LyNx View Post
    Sweet man, good luck with that journey, remember, nutrition is the key, once you keep the nutrition coming in on a regular basis, everything else should work.

    What wheels have you ended up with there, guessing something in the i30mm IW range? If so, some of the new lighter 2.6x29" offering might be worth taking a look at. I'm waiting for the 29x2.6" Rekon to be released, think that'll be a sweet tyre and if Maxxis would then release a 2.6" Ikon to pair with it
    You hit the nail on the head. They are i29 and plan on 2.6 or the terrene mcfly 2.8 which apparently is closer to 2.7. Also eyeing the teravail cumberlands.

    The longest ive done before was 6:45 so we’ll see how the food goes. I did a snack every 30m with a bottle an hour. That was much harder course in comparison. 7k course over 50mi. This course is more like 3500 over every 50 (shooting for 100/12hr), so hopefully thr same plan will work. I didnt getthe kind of hours I was hoppng this early season, so we’ll see how it shakes out. Itll be a learning experience fo sho.

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    Yeah mesa verde! I was actually booked for 18hrs of fruita, but had a work thing come up, probably better that way for first long race, plus Ive 18hrs of Fruita on a team before, so Its nice to have new trails to look forward too.

    yeah i think i recognize ur handle from the colorado front range forum.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pOrk View Post
    Yeah mesa verde! I was actually booked for 18hrs of fruita, but had a work thing come up, probably better that way for first long race, plus Ive 18hrs of Fruita on a team before, so Its nice to have new trails to look forward too.

    yeah i think i recognize ur handle from the colorado front range forum.
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    Quote Originally Posted by waltaz View Post
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    Nice! And good luck to you too. I'll keep my eye out for the bald guy dealing meth in the solo pit.

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    Nice to see this thread come back to life. Agree nutrition (and hydration) are key. Keep a mix of food coming, and remember that hydration starts the morning the day before the event. That morning wake up and drink a nice, large glass of water. Then, just make sure you drink normal. You don't need to overdo it, just know that dehydration is a killer, and starting in the mornings is a real helper most people miss.

    As to the OP. If I were shopping in 2018, I'd buy a Giant Anthem 29er of some sort, and put 2.35 tires of some sort on it.

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    So I did my first endurance event on the Bucksaw. 12 hours of mesa verde. The bucksaw did well all things considered but the course was tough and I felt like the Bluto turned into a pogo stick on lap 3. To be fair I was already gassed by then.

    I put in a total of 5 laps for 85 miles and roughly 6000ft of vert. The course was punchy in its profile and the stinky springs loop had my back dreading every drop. It was a great event though.

    I think my plus setup would have been more comfortable and really more appropriate because of how much turning was going on out there. As to the bluto, im not sure any 100mm fork would have made things any more comfortable. Could have definitely used 120 fox34 or something like that, but there were also dudes running rigid SS so it could be worse...

    Overall I felt good in the pain cave and had a great time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pOrk View Post
    So I did my first endurance event on the Bucksaw. 12 hours of mesa verde. The bucksaw did well all things considered but the course was tough and I felt like the Bluto turned into a pogo stick on lap 3. To be fair I was already gassed by then.

    I put in a total of 5 laps for 85 miles and roughly 6000ft of vert. The course was punchy in its profile and the stinky springs loop had my back dreading every drop. It was a great event though.

    I think my plus setup would have been more comfortable and really more appropriate because of how much turning was going on out there. As to the bluto, im not sure any 100mm fork would have made things any more comfortable. Could have definitely used 120 fox34 or something like that, but there were also dudes running rigid SS so it could be worse...

    Overall I felt good in the pain cave and had a great time.
    IME, it's not the amount of suspension, but the quality of suspension, and the quality on the OEM bikes, especially at the lower levels, isn't great. Bluto is a great example of this unfortunately. I wrongly pumped up my suspension a bit for some of my first endurance events, realizing later that the most compliance is what I really want 90 miles in.
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    Well done! Here's to many more and greater success in the future!
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    Quote Originally Posted by jms View Post
    Well done! Here's to many more and greater success in the future!
    Thanks! Checking the schedule now.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jayem View Post
    IME, it's not the amount of suspension, but the quality of suspension, and the quality on the OEM bikes, especially at the lower levels, isn't great. Bluto is a great example of this unfortunately. I wrongly pumped up my suspension a bit for some of my first endurance events, realizing later that the most compliance is what I really want 90 miles in.
    I think you’re probably right. Ive been fiddling with the bluto for a while now. Ihad it basically at 25% sag with 3 tokens and it was great for the ‘big hits.’ had i gone 4 tokens and lower psi I would have bottoms out quite a bit. But the bluto works well enough with my 3” and 4” tires. Thinking about grtting the charger2 damper for it. If that doesnt work... its time for a fox32 and some new hubs...

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    Quote Originally Posted by pOrk View Post
    Thanks! Checking the schedule now.



    I think you’re probably right. Ive been fiddling with the bluto for a while now. Ihad it basically at 25% sag with 3 tokens and it was great for the ‘big hits.’
    What is a "big hit"?

    Slamming into a square edged rock at 20mph?

    Taking a rock garden at 20mph?

    I find both of those to have plenty of "big hits".

    Dropping off a 2-3' drop onto a transition or hitting a jump?

    The last one is controlled mostly by low-speed compression and generally doesn't need very fancy valving, but being able to handle a wide range of impacts and speeds usually takes somewhat more complicated valving and high speed circuits that actually work. While that sounds easy, many manufacturers have resisted this with everything they possibly could. Even the recent Pike RC had a crazy-heavy high speed compression stack that basically "didn't work", while Fox has been aggressively trying to get people to use their 3-position dampers over R2C2 dampers that actually let you dial in the low and high speed compression and not have it "blow through" travel.

    At slower and some medium speeds, I'm sure the Bluto works fine, no question about that, but my point is that on an long endurance ride, quality is better than quantity and having good-working suspension is usually worth it. If it works well enough, you don't even realize it, as it's one of those parts on your bike that just seemelessly integrates into the ride. Sounds snobby I'm sure as far as spending the money for it, but one more thing I don't want to have to overcome 80 miles into a ride is a fork or rear suspension that "kicks" when it hits a bump, transferring the "bump" to me and not doing what I have it there for...
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    I built up my Pivot Mach 429SL for $3300 last year. I got many of the parts off ebay. The bike is just under 30# ready to ride with a dropper. It is not a weight weenie build since I am a fat guy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jayem View Post
    What is a "big hit"?

    Slamming into a square edged rock at 20mph?

    Taking a rock garden at 20mph?

    I find both of those to have plenty of "big hits".

    Dropping off a 2-3' drop onto a transition or hitting a jump?

    The last one is controlled mostly by low-speed compression and generally doesn't need very fancy valving, but being able to handle a wide range of impacts and speeds usually takes somewhat more complicated valving and high speed circuits that actually work. While that sounds easy, many manufacturers have resisted this with everything they possibly could. Even the recent Pike RC had a crazy-heavy high speed compression stack that basically "didn't work", while Fox has been aggressively trying to get people to use their 3-position dampers over R2C2 dampers that actually let you dial in the low and high speed compression and not have it "blow through" travel.

    At slower and some medium speeds, I'm sure the Bluto works fine, no question about that, but my point is that on an long endurance ride, quality is better than quantity and having good-working suspension is usually worth it. If it works well enough, you don't even realize it, as it's one of those parts on your bike that just seemelessly integrates into the ride. Sounds snobby I'm sure as far as spending the money for it, but one more thing I don't want to have to overcome 80 miles into a ride is a fork or rear suspension that "kicks" when it hits a bump, transferring the "bump" to me and not doing what I have it there for...
    I said big hit meaning anything with enough force to compress yhr fork fully within reasonable riding circumstances like a technical drop at reasonable speed that you cant pull the front up because the next set of obstacles. With the bluto it is either supple and bottom out prone or stiff and capable of smartly using all travel.

    My old fox fit4 120 did both very well.

    The course i was on demanded both so i went with stiff because my neck couldnt take any more bottom outs after 50miles, so i let my arms and esi chunkys take the brunt of the small stuff. Carbom bar would have been nice as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pOrk View Post
    I said big hit meaning anything with enough force to compress yhr fork fully within reasonable riding circumstances like a technical drop at reasonable speed that you cant pull the front up because the next set of obstacles. With the bluto it is either supple and bottom out prone or stiff and capable of smartly using all travel.

    My old fox fit4 120 did both very well.

    The course i was on demanded both so i went with stiff because my neck couldnt take any more bottom outs after 50miles, so i let my arms and esi chunkys take the brunt of the small stuff. Carbom bar would have been nice as well.
    Hey man, great job at Mesa Verde. I ended up with 6 laps in just under 12 hours on my Primer (140f/130r), and was glad I had the suspension I did, considering how the Stinking Springs Loop beats you up. I've done it twice before solo SS with a 100mm fork, and it was much more fun and rideable on the Primer.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pOrk View Post
    So I did my first endurance event on the Bucksaw. 12 hours of mesa verde. The bucksaw did well all things considered but the course was tough and I felt like the Bluto turned into a pogo stick on lap 3. To be fair I was already gassed by then.

    I put in a total of 5 laps for 85 miles and roughly 6000ft of vert. The course was punchy in its profile and the stinky springs loop had my back dreading every drop. It was a great event though.

    I think my plus setup would have been more comfortable and really more appropriate because of how much turning was going on out there. As to the bluto, im not sure any 100mm fork would have made things any more comfortable. Could have definitely used 120 fox34 or something like that, but there were also dudes running rigid SS so it could be worse...

    Overall I felt good in the pain cave and had a great time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by waltaz View Post
    Hey man, great job at Mesa Verde. I ended up with 6 laps in just under 12 hours on my Primer (140f/130r), and was glad I had the suspension I did, considering how the Stinking Springs Loop beats you up. I've done it twice before solo SS with a 100mm fork, and it was much more fun and rideable on the Primer.
    Nice job on 6! That was my original goal, but knew I wasnt going to get that after the first lap. Saw some pretty nice 130-150mm bikes having a lot of fun out there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tfinator View Post
    What's that rear bottle set up you got going on? That looks like it might hit the eject button every now and again

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    There is a lip on te cage and then the seat provides even more lip. The cage is zip tied to the seat rails and seatpost. I dont like wearing a pack if I can help it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pOrk View Post
    There is a lip on te cage and then the seat provides even more lip. The cage is zip tied to the seat rails and seatpost. I dont like wearing a pack if I can help it.
    Interesting. You have a solid post, right? Not a dropper?

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    Quote Originally Posted by tfinator View Post
    Interesting. You have a solid post, right? Not a dropper?

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    Originally had a dropper but it was starting to sag and didnt want any issues during a long event, but this would have works on the dropper.

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    Interesting, thanks!

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    For anyone interested, there are a few NOS/Demo Giant Anthem Advanced SX on pinkbike (I'm not affiliated with any of the sellers). One was a 2015 NOS Size M for $3k, the other a demo 2017 Size S for $3.3k.

    I just took delivery on a 2015 size M, and paid less than $3k. Comes in at almost 26 lbs (11.8 kg) with pedals and without cages. I'm sure I can shave off more grams (the fork seems to be a lower end one, for whatever reason), but this is already more bike than I need.

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