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    Wheres the Love for the Moment?

    After years of dreaming of owning an Ellsworth I finally pulled the trigger on a 06 Moment. I couldnt wait to go to the Ellsworth forum page as a proud owner. Unfortunately as I started ready I was amazed at all the negative threads. I saved for some time to purchase this bike and now I'm worried about my decision. I'm hoping someone can post some positive threads to help ease my mind. Moment owners show me some love

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    Welcome to the club

    Please try and ignore the negative posts, it's just a minority non Ells owning people who come onto the forum to flame, troll and try to be cool. They're main aim is to bring you down and to try and destroy your experience. The new line of quality bikes that Ellsworth is pumping out isn't sitting to well with some people. Out of the three bikes I own (Moment, Flux and Chameleon), I ride the Moment the most.

    You've purchased an awesome frame that will leave a huge grin on your face everytime you ride. Probably one of the best All Mountain frames out there.
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    Relax Tagman...you done good!!

    There are issues with anything that gets built and put through the things these bikes do. With the amount of exposure this web site gets you'll always get negative feedback and unfortunately most will only write to complain. People who are comfortable with what they have don't complain.

    I've had my Moment (05) for 2 years and have had no issues with it at all. I bought a Moment after going through 2 frames in one season of another manufacturer. Every winter I've taken it completely apart and check it over and have had no issues.

    For a little more reinforcement check this post out.

    http://forums.mtbr.com/showthread.ph...22240#poststop

    Enjoy!!

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    I had a Moment for about 4 years. I recently sold it to try something new. I personally think that the Moment is one of the best all-around do anything trail bikes ever made. No need for regrets. Keep in mind that this is a forum and the truth is often found somewhere in the middle and very rarely at the ends of the spectrum.

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    just ride it...

    the more you ride it the more you'll know you made the right decision. i test road alot of bikes before buying my moment. i was even lucky enough to test ride one for a two hours on some ski runs in utah, with the demo team. even though i has some issues with the bike shop i bought my moment from, Ellsworth has always been awesome to deal with, everytime i've had to call them for anything they have always been helpful. i love my moment and plan on having for a long time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tagman
    I'm hoping someone can post some positive threads to help ease my mind.
    It's a great bike!

    feel better now?

    BTW, you are going to live to 102 years old and ride till you are 90!

    Feeling even better?

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    We all need to have a heart to heart...there are better bikes out there with a keener eye on design and geometry...at a much more reasonable cost.

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    What do you wonna get?

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    Quote Originally Posted by seibukan
    What do you wonna get?
    I'm considering a Chumba Evo or a Transition Covert.

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    Hey Chad,
    I can see you are selling your Moment, is there something about it that you don't like OR just looking for some different bikes out there for a change?

    I'm new here at the Ellsworth forum and still trying to think whether I made a good decision on ordering my 07 Truth...I email Ellsworth 2 times but I never got any reply.

    Thanks,
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bullit_cn
    ..I email Ellsworth 2 times but I never got any reply.
    Maybe they are too busy counting cash!

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    Quote Originally Posted by lidarman
    Maybe they are too busy counting cash!
    LOL
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    i have a moment. it's by far my favorite bike. my dirtbag and trail-or-park are now expendable. hell, my cervelo tri bike and my road bike are also expendable.

    i cannot believe how nice the moment rides - sure it's not the fastest going up (most of its "slowness" is because of me), but it is absolutely buttery when pointing it down hill.

    i cannot imagine a better all around ride that looks SO good.

    now if i could only get my damn nevegals to hold air (i tried to convert them to tubeless)....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bullit_cn
    Hey Chad,
    I can see you are selling your Moment, is there something about it that you don't like OR just looking for some different bikes out there for a change?

    I'm new here at the Ellsworth forum and still trying to think whether I made a good decision on ordering my 07 Truth...I email Ellsworth 2 times but I never got any reply.

    Thanks,
    Well, my emails over the last couple of weeks were always answered within a few days.
    Try dave@ellsworthbikes.com

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    this help?
    one of the frequent flyers I see at the playground, doing the kind of stuff that a person who can afford an Ellsworth shouldn't be doing
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    Quote Originally Posted by doubledecadefirehydrant

    now if i could only get my damn nevegals to hold air (i tried to convert them to tubeless)....
    Stick with it...mine took about 2 weeks of airing up

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bullit_cn
    Hey Chad,
    I can see you are selling your Moment, is there something about it that you don't like OR just looking for some different bikes out there for a change?

    I'm new here at the Ellsworth forum and still trying to think whether I made a good decision on ordering my 07 Truth...I email Ellsworth 2 times but I never got any reply.

    Thanks,
    Not all the issues I have with the Moment will translate to the Truth, like the too steep seat tube angle (and head angle for that matter). However, I just don't think ICT is very fast going DH. It's great for climbing and it isolates the shock pretty well, but techy climbs and dh stuff is not the forte of a bike with a near vertical wheel path.

    If a wheel is moving forward and hits a bump it has to react - if the wheel can move away from the bump, like an arcing path would dictate, one would retain more forward momentum. This is the way VPP, DW-link, single pivots (including linkage actuated, four bar), Maestro and Monolink work which makes them float through the rough stuff. FSR and ICT have to absorb the bump first before the suspension starts working. While they do isolate brake forces very well, there are solutions to that problem and shock technology is so good today that this one positive attribute of the design is really nullified. Couple that with the exorbitant price of these frames and I just don't see what it is that we're paying for - is it performance? no...is it finish? sure, until shot peen balls gouge the shyte out of your steer tube, headset, bottom bracket and/or seattube. Is it prestige? no...the company has tarnished its own image pretty good. So what then?

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    Quote Originally Posted by chad1433
    Not all the issues I have with the Moment will translate to the Truth, like the too steep seat tube angle (and head angle for that matter). However, I just don't think ICT is very fast going DH. It's great for climbing and it isolates the shock pretty well, but techy climbs and dh stuff is not the forte of a bike with a near vertical wheel path.

    If a wheel is moving forward and hits a bump it has to react - if the wheel can move away from the bump, like an arcing path would dictate, one would retain more forward momentum. This is the way VPP, DW-link, single pivots (including linkage actuated, four bar), Maestro and Monolink work which makes them float through the rough stuff. FSR and ICT have to absorb the bump first before the suspension starts working. While they do isolate brake forces very well, there are solutions to that problem and shock technology is so good today that this one positive attribute of the design is really nullified. Couple that with the exorbitant price of these frames and I just don't see what it is that we're paying for - is it performance? no...is it finish? sure, until shot peen balls gouge the shyte out of your steer tube, headset, bottom bracket and/or seattube. Is it prestige? no...the company has tarnished its own image pretty good. So what then?
    Thanks for sharing Chad...very good comment...
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    Quote Originally Posted by chad1433
    Not all the issues I have with the Moment will translate to the Truth, like the too steep seat tube angle (and head angle for that matter). However, I just don't think ICT is very fast going DH. It's great for climbing and it isolates the shock pretty well, but techy climbs and dh stuff is not the forte of a bike with a near vertical wheel path.

    If a wheel is moving forward and hits a bump it has to react - if the wheel can move away from the bump, like an arcing path would dictate, one would retain more forward momentum. This is the way VPP, DW-link, single pivots (including linkage actuated, four bar), Maestro and Monolink work which makes them float through the rough stuff. FSR and ICT have to absorb the bump first before the suspension starts working. While they do isolate brake forces very well, there are solutions to that problem and shock technology is so good today that this one positive attribute of the design is really nullified. Couple that with the exorbitant price of these frames and I just don't see what it is that we're paying for - is it performance? no...is it finish? sure, until shot peen balls gouge the shyte out of your steer tube, headset, bottom bracket and/or seattube. Is it prestige? no...the company has tarnished its own image pretty good. So what then?
    Sounds like you maybe don't have your shock sorted out on the Moment. The difference between single pivot (like the new Turners) and ICT as a function of actual axle path isn't that much different. Depending where the single pivot is located will dictate if there is any "rearward" axle path left after you factor in sag. Having ridden Ventanas, Nomads, and my Moment, the greatest factor in getting these to handle well on the downhill is to get the rear shock well sorted. A few clicks of rebound or compression - or even low speed dampening can really change the ride.

    You are right about the price...these things are expensive. The shot balls in the frame is a bad thing, but Ells tells their dealers about this and the bike builder is responsible to some degree for making sure the bike is ready to build. Turner used to attach a warning on his bottom brackets about this very thing before he moved away from that process. I think Ells realized this too and that is part of the reason for the new finishes.

    FSR, ICT, VPP...is all marketing hype. Put Mark Weir on any bike with a properly set-up rear shock and he will smoke us mortals.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chad1433
    Not all the issues I have with the Moment will translate to the Truth, like the too steep seat tube angle (and head angle for that matter). However, I just don't think ICT is very fast going DH. It's great for climbing and it isolates the shock pretty well, but techy climbs and dh stuff is not the forte of a bike with a near vertical wheel path.

    If a wheel is moving forward and hits a bump it has to react - if the wheel can move away from the bump, like an arcing path would dictate, one would retain more forward momentum. This is the way VPP, DW-link, single pivots (including linkage actuated, four bar), Maestro and Monolink work which makes them float through the rough stuff. FSR and ICT have to absorb the bump first before the suspension starts working. While they do isolate brake forces very well, there are solutions to that problem and shock technology is so good today that this one positive attribute of the design is really nullified. Couple that with the exorbitant price of these frames and I just don't see what it is that we're paying for - is it performance? no...is it finish? sure, until shot peen balls gouge the shyte out of your steer tube, headset, bottom bracket and/or seattube. Is it prestige? no...the company has tarnished its own image pretty good. So what then?

    Chad has made some very good points. DH rockgardens are definatley not the Moments strong point. It tends to bog down and loose speed.

    On a posative note the thing climbs better than most XC bikes.

    Nowadays I think you can find better bikes for a lot less money. The price of a moment is just very hard for me to justify. Thank goodness I got a break on the Cost.


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    I love my Moment

    I have several mountain bikes including a Moto-lite and a Rogue. But, the Moment is by far the bike I ride the most. It really can do anything. It replaced a Quasi-moto and is noticeably better thru fast stutter bumps as well as techy downhill sections. Plus, the ICT suspension climbs amazingly well, as previously discussed. Enjoy the bike!
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    I love mine. The ride is great and works well with pretty much any type of riding. XC, Dirt jumping, DH......it's all been good to me.
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    Seriously, don't worry about your purchase!

    I've had my Moment for 2 years, and I ride it constantly. I started riding it with a lighter XC build, and since moving to the Pacific NW, it's been transformed into a full-on AM build with much burlier components - and it's ridden on much more challenging trails (like the ones in the pics above). The thing performs great!
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    Quote Originally Posted by chad1433
    Stick with it...mine took about 2 weeks of airing up
    they are finally holding air!! yes!!!
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    Those photos are great.
    How tall is that rider and what size Moment is he riding?
    I am having a bit of a dilemma at the "moment".
    I bought a 17in Moment last year and although it is a fantastic bike, I do find the standover a little low and it is a big bike to chuck around.
    I am 5'9.5'' AND 165lbs and I am seriously thinking of buying a small Moment frame.
    What do you think ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by JohnH
    Those photos are great.
    How tall is that rider and what size Moment is he riding?
    I am having a bit of a dilemma at the "moment".
    I bought a 17in Moment last year and although it is a fantastic bike, I do find the standover a little low and it is a big bike to chuck around.
    I am 5'9.5'' AND 165lbs and I am seriously thinking of buying a small Moment frame.
    What do you think ?
    It's a tough call...I don't know if you'll gain any standover and you'll lose some TT length. I'm 5'7" with a 30" inseam and I run a small frame with a layback post and 90mm stem. I like this position, but I had to have the layback post because I felt too far forward. You'll also lose some wheelbase length, which would make it theoretically easier to throw around, I suppose.

    I'd take a look at the numbers for both sizes and see if you can tell how it will play out. Maybe test ride a small frame (if you're in CO, you can ride mine).

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    Hi Chad
    Thanks for the offer of a ride.
    Unfortunately I am in the UK, but very much appreciate the sentiment.
    Everyone on this forum seems very helpful.
    Yeah, it is a tricky one about the size.
    The dealer is miles away and I bought the frame by mail order (stupid I know). To be fair they were saying all along that I was between sizes and could ride both.
    I have looked at this forum extensively and there is such a lot of information out there.
    The price of the frames has come down as they are trying to sell them off before the 07 model comes out later in the year.
    I guess I could take a chance, and sell one of the frames when I had made up my mind.
    Any 5'9 - 5'10 riders out there ? What size do you guys ride ?
    Thanks again
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    Quote Originally Posted by JohnH
    Any 5'9 - 5'10 riders out there ? What size do you guys ride ?
    Thanks again
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    5'9" here. Small Moment with 410 mm Setback seatpost and 70mm stem.

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    Thanks for the info.
    Obviously the smaller frame has a shorter headtube (4'' as opposed to 4.75'').
    Do you have to run it with lots of stackers ?
    The more I think about it, I am pretty sure the small would be better.
    If get a new fork with a longer travel ( i have a 2006 130mm travel Fox Vanilla RLC at present) then I guess that will jack the front of the bike up a bit to a similar height I am riding at the moment.
    Any other suggestions would be much appreciated.
    Otherwise, I can feel another expensive purchase coming on !

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    I love the Moment! Its perfect for playing in the woods, trips to the Alps, all day rides...
    I'm about 5'10 and have a medium. The only issue I have is I feel a bit stretched out, maybe Ive got short arms, so Ive got a short stem fitted (40 or 50mm I think).
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    Quote Originally Posted by JohnH
    Hi Chad
    Thanks for the offer of a ride.
    Unfortunately I am in the UK, but very much appreciate the sentiment.
    Everyone on this forum seems very helpful.
    Yeah, it is a tricky one about the size.
    The dealer is miles away and I bought the frame by mail order (stupid I know). To be fair they were saying all along that I was between sizes and could ride both.
    I have looked at this forum extensively and there is such a lot of information out there.
    The price of the frames has come down as they are trying to sell them off before the 07 model comes out later in the year.
    I guess I could take a chance, and sell one of the frames when I had made up my mind.
    Any 5'9 - 5'10 riders out there ? What size do you guys ride ?
    Thanks again
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    5'10" and i ride a medium with 65mm stem and inline post- fits me great.

    BTW plenty of love here for my Moment, had it since they landed in the UK and has been nothing less than fantastic- to do it justice you must use a 36 though.
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    Hi
    Thanks again for the info. At present I have a 90mm stem on my medium Moment, but yetserday I took the plunge and ordered a small Moment frame.
    Looking forward to giving it a try, a bit of bike building to do before then though !
    Thanks again
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    Moment Warranty

    What kind of warranty comes with a Ells Moment? I can't seem to find it on Ells website.

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    Quote Originally Posted by psOption3
    What kind of warranty comes with a Ells Moment? I can't seem to find it on Ells website.
    2 year.

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    no worries

    Dude, you have the best bike in the world

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    Quote Originally Posted by andesepic
    Dude, you have the best bike in the world
    Funny to see this thread come back again. I responded when it first came out and I'll respond again. I'm going on my 3rd season with my Moment.

    I just got back from a 3 hour ride pounding my Moment over roots and rocks constantly on some tight singletrack. The bike just keeps going. I had my rear shock and my Fox Float RLC Pushed and it just amazes me how it rides, up, down and over anything.

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    Just bought a Moment myself this past May and have ridden over a couple hundred miles on it I suppose and so far it has for sure been an upgrade from my old heckler. Though the weight is the same roughly now with air suspension (34lbs.) I still can't complain since I'm 205lbs and like to ride hard. If you are in shape this bike is a go anywhere type of bike but I do wonder what an Epiphany would be like and if it would handle the type of riding I like to do. Also, I wonder if I set up my bike with a lighter wheelset if that would help. I have a front 20mm Marzochhi hub w/ a Mavic 819 up front and an XT hub w/ a Mavic 819 in the rear which feels solid for the stuff I ride.

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    I've (only) got an Epi, but some friends got a Moment. The Moment gives much more confidence. At least for like 3 h technical rides I would definitely opt for the Moment.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zakster
    Welcome to the club

    Please try and ignore the negative posts, it's just a minority non Ells owning people who come onto the forum to flame, troll and try to be cool. They're main aim is to bring you down and to try and destroy your experience. The new line of quality bikes that Ellsworth is pumping out isn't sitting to well with some people. Out of the three bikes I own (Moment, Flux and Chameleon), I ride the Moment the most.

    You've purchased an awesome frame that will leave a huge grin on your face everytime you ride. Probably one of the best All Mountain frames out there.
    Zakster,

    What spring is that ? I am looking for a titanium spring for my dhx, I emailed Renton but they said they had compatibility issues with Fox .

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    Wheres the Love for the Moment?

    I've had mine for two years and i've done 1900 miles on it and i still love it as much as i did the day i bought it,and after all them miles which have mostly been in crap weather it still looks like new.Had a Tuth before this but the Moment just gives me that little bit more excitement and a bit more balls to go that little bit madder
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    Agree with Zakster

    Yea ignore most of the negativity. I must admit, I was ripping pissed when my Moment's BB threads were damaged from the bead blast balls upon REMOVAL of said BB. I even decided to go to another manufacturer. Now, I'll just repair and keep the frame rather than sell it. It is a nice bike and even if one isn't happy with Ellsworth as a company, the people who ride them are cool and enthusiastic as a whole. My anger's wafted away like a beer fart! Have fun!

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    one of the frequent flyers I see at the playground, doing the kind of stuff that a person who can afford an Ellsworth shouldn't be doing
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    Me thinks he's now on a different Ellsworth.

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    I just noticed that Ellsworth specs for the Moment say:
    Rear Travel: 5.3 in. to 6 in

    How do you adjust or select the travel?
    Does anybody have the Moment with the shorter travel?
    I am all for tough bikes but not too crazy about "more travel"...

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    The love for the moment comes from what is inside of us... That little voice that says to us to go a little farther to see what is beyond that boulder or somewhat like this. It's an internal flame that burns inside of us. It's the sparkle that ignite us all!!!

    Just talking of this, I've really found my perfect match with a new fork that had permitt me to re-discover my bike! And it's a perfect match...
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    Hypothetical Question - Assuming you are a happy camper with your moment have used it for maybe two or three years . By then its two year warranty would've been up and there are newer bikes out there .

    Would it be a good choice to sell it and get a new CHUMBA EVO ? i think the 2006 models are going for a grand in adrenalinebikes.com . Although these are probably the half pound heavier , more FR than the current more for AM geometry frames .

    Or if it aint broke , keep it till it dies a natural death . Although IMHO this frame is probably not going to give , assuming ofcourse you dont abuse it .

    If the warranty/ upgrade policy of the Ells was like lifetime , maybe it would be a no brainer for me in keeping my moment.

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    Quote Originally Posted by perttime
    I just noticed that Ellsworth specs for the Moment say:
    Rear Travel: 5.3 in. to 6 in

    How do you adjust or select the travel?
    Does anybody have the Moment with the shorter travel?
    I am all for tough bikes but not too crazy about "more travel"...
    It's adjustable because you can BUY a shorter shock for it. Amazing that this is "designed" into the moment, so all you have to do is shell out $400-500.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jaydg
    Hypothetical Question - Assuming you are a happy camper with your moment have used it for maybe two or three years . By then its two year warranty would've been up and there are newer bikes out there .

    Would it be a good choice to sell it and get a new CHUMBA EVO ? i think the 2006 models are going for a grand in adrenalinebikes.com . Although these are probably the half pound heavier , more FR than the current more for AM geometry frames .

    Or if it aint broke , keep it till it dies a natural death . Although IMHO this frame is probably not going to give , assuming ofcourse you dont abuse it .

    If the warranty/ upgrade policy of the Ells was like lifetime , maybe it would be a no brainer for me in keeping my moment.
    *sigh*.... After 3 years of hard riding, I just upgraded the majority of the components and the bike is like new. These bikes rock. It's simple. I've had no issues with the frame, and I'd probably buy a new one if/when this bike truly wears out (which will probably be a long time from now).

    But hey, if you like the Chumba EVO, which is evidently a great bike, then get one! Or, you can just upgrade your components, as I did, and if for some reason it does "wear out", then just upgrade the frame.
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    Quote Originally Posted by perttime
    I just noticed that Ellsworth specs for the Moment say:
    Rear Travel: 5.3 in. to 6 in

    How do you adjust or select the travel?
    Does anybody have the Moment with the shorter travel?
    I am all for tough bikes but not too crazy about "more travel"...
    I bought mine with a Fox Float R and that shock only offered the 5.3 in of travel. When I sent the shock to Push the offered to extend the travel for an additional $25. I took them up on it and it feels great.

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    The EVO definitely feels more solid and stiff compared to the Moment going down as it is a much beefier design. The DH racing heritage of Chumba is evident in the EVO and it bombs going down! However, it does not climb as well as the Moment. The geometry lends itself to much front end lifting on steep climbs. I still feel the Moment is more all around.

    And to Chad: isn't the EVO still a four-bar design?

    Upgrading to different parts is a great idea to get a new relationship with your bike, this is my 3rd season on it and lately I've been riding more bike parks so I'm thinking of adding a beefier fork like the 66 and heavy duty wheelset to increase DH prowness (yay or nay?).

    As far as durability, the Moment has done very well since inception. There has been very few problems reported here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ahimanic
    The EVO definitely feels more solid and stiff compared to the Moment going down as it is a much beefier design. The DH racing heritage of Chumba is evident in the EVO and it bombs going down! However, it does not climb as well as the Moment. The geometry lends itself to much front end lifting on steep climbs. I still feel the Moment is more all around.

    And to Chad: isn't the EVO still a four-bar design?

    Upgrading to different parts is a great idea to get a new relationship with your bike, this is my 3rd season on it and lately I've been riding more bike parks so I'm thinking of adding a beefier fork like the 66 and heavy duty wheelset to increase DH prowness (yay or nay?).

    As far as durability, the Moment has done very well since inception. There has been very few problems reported here.
    Yeah, but it's much more supple on the small stuff too. I think, however, that now that I'm not in CO anymore, the EVO may not be the right bike. The XCL or Epiphany might fill the bill for the trails they have here and around S. Utah. I think - two bikes are in order! Also, I no longer have that great bike shop outside my door encouraging, nay, nagging me (unconsciously, of course! ), to buy something new and shiney!! We'll see...I do like Chumba's style though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chad1433
    Yeah, but it's much more supple on the small stuff too. I think, however, that now that I'm not in CO anymore, the EVO may not be the right bike. The XCL or Epiphany might fill the bill for the trails they have here and around S. Utah. I think - two bikes are in order! Also, I no longer have that great bike shop outside my door encouraging, nay, nagging me (unconsciously, of course! ), to buy something new and shiney!! We'll see...I do like Chumba's style though.

    Chad.

    Get out on a Turner RFX (2007). I was lucky enough to demo one and I fell in love. It's perfect and can be built up for differnt riding styles. Throw a coil on and beat the Hell out of it. Run the rp23 for the trail days.

    Oh and dare I say the '07 climbed better than my '05 Moment? IT DID. HL does not make a bike a better climber.

    The RFX flew down hill better also. Rocks were smoothed out and the rear feels like there is way more than 6.4 inches.

    Moment is going on the classifieds come the end of November.

    Guess I'm a Homer In Training.

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    Quote Originally Posted by raceimp
    The love for the moment comes from what is inside of us... That little voice that says to us to go a little farther to see what is beyond that boulder or somewhat like this. It's an internal flame that burns inside of us. It's the sparkle that ignite us all!!!

    Just talking of this, I've really found my perfect match with a new fork that had permitt me to re-discover my bike! And it's a perfect match...
    Hello raceimp,
    I just happen to also have a Magura Wotan on my Moment. But since I am riding a Fox DHX Air shock, I find the performance of the fork very different from the rear shock. The fork is much more sensitive and seems to be more active (maybe even too much so).
    Now, you say the fork is a perfect match for the bike. And I am thinking of maybe changing the rear shock.
    Could you give a comparison of your Romic coil to an air shock, or explain in detail the performance of the shock compared to the fork?
    Thanks a lot!

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    @ SlayMe: I think the bike also reacts different depending on their size and where your weight is... Let me explain: I don' t think that you will get the same bike response if you have a let say small frame and you're taller, or if you have a medium frame, and you're on the small side. I mean difference in weight distribution versus geometry of the bike...

    On the other, there are differences in components hitself. I mean by that there is a fundamental differences between the feel of coil versus air, and between pedaling platform and semi pedaling platform. I've run the bike in different setups (forks are RS Psylo, Z1 MCR, Z150SL, Fox Float XTT, Magura Wotan and rear shocks are Romic D and Fox Float R). I've found that the Magura Wotan is very supple and absorbs very well the terrain. I really like the travel adjust feature, as well as the platform feature. No problems with the dual remote on the bar... I mean it's there and it's really usable. THIS FORK ABSORBS REALLY WELL EVERY TYPE OF TERRAIN.

    The Romic is also really sensitive... well, it imitates really the damping of the fork. When climbing, however, it seem to settle lower in it's travel, but it is very stable. BTW, the Romic shock offers me 6" of travel. I've also tried a FOX Float R shock (that is NON-CUSTOM valved by Fox for Ellsworth) ant that offers me 5,25" of travel. It also proved to be a solid performer in every situation... I've recently go downhilling in Bromont with this rear shock and it's performance really surprised me.

    I think you're problem is really coming from the platform of the DHX air. I mean, have you tried to do a ride with the platform on the fork open? Perhaps that the best compromise will be with an RP23 Pushed shock with a custom 2,25 stroke on it if you'd like to keep 6" in the rear (no offence here!). I'd probably go that way, if I wanted to have a 6" air ride...
    Also, the ICT concept gravitates around a non platform concept... Some likes it, others don't.

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    Thanks, raceimp, for your detailed insight.
    I have the DHX 5 Air shock and it offers 6" of travel which I definetly want to keep. The ProPedal is as low as it can be turned. Unfortunately it can't be turned off. So I wonder whether to buy an air shock withour platform or a coil shock without platform. Any shock that can make the rear feel like a Wotan would be a dream.

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    Slayme,

    Why dont you buy a Fox Vanilla R (non propedal nor boost valved) coil spring shock off Ebay ? They probably got some OEM stuff going for around 40 to 50 bucks . With the right spring , your ride ought to be pretty sweet .

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    Quote Originally Posted by raceimp
    @ SlayMe: I think the bike also reacts different depending on their size and where your weight is... Let me explain: I don' t think that you will get the same bike response if you have a let say small frame and you're taller, or if you have a medium frame, and you're on the small side. I mean difference in weight distribution versus geometry of the bike...

    On the other, there are differences in components hitself. I mean by that there is a fundamental differences between the feel of coil versus air, and between pedaling platform and semi pedaling platform. I've run the bike in different setups (forks are RS Psylo, Z1 MCR, Z150SL, Fox Float XTT, Magura Wotan and rear shocks are Romic D and Fox Float R). I've found that the Magura Wotan is very supple and absorbs very well the terrain. I really like the travel adjust feature, as well as the platform feature. No problems with the dual remote on the bar... I mean it's there and it's really usable. THIS FORK ABSORBS REALLY WELL EVERY TYPE OF TERRAIN.

    The Romic is also really sensitive... well, it imitates really the damping of the fork. When climbing, however, it seem to settle lower in it's travel, but it is very stable. BTW, the Romic shock offers me 6" of travel. I've also tried a FOX Float R shock (that is NON-CUSTOM valved by Fox for Ellsworth) ant that offers me 5,25" of travel. It also proved to be a solid performer in every situation... I've recently go downhilling in Bromont with this rear shock and it's performance really surprised me.

    I think you're problem is really coming from the platform of the DHX air. I mean, have you tried to do a ride with the platform on the fork open? Perhaps that the best compromise will be with an RP23 Pushed shock with a custom 2,25 stroke on it if you'd like to keep 6" in the rear (no offence here!). I'd probably go that way, if I wanted to have a 6" air ride...
    Also, the ICT concept gravitates around a non platform concept... Some likes it, others don't.

    What do you ride with yours?
    Raceimp, I''ve been contimplating a new fork for next spring & was wondering if you notice a weight difference with the Wotan. I'm between going all air(rp2&float36) & going lite, or going coil rear & something beafy up front - Wotan or Fox Van 36.
    I'm a stocky irishman & at 5'9" I weigh 190lbs. I'm basically built like a gorilla.

    Also does anyone know for 08 if the RP23 has the longer stroke?
    If not I'm not sure switching to dhx air is worth it$$$?
    I've also been contemplating a Ti-spring for dhx if I don't go air.
    Anyone know which company has a ti-spring that works for the Moment?
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    @ SlayMe: You should ask yourself some questions first... You really want to lose the hyper sensitive feeling of your fork (Wotan) for something you have never tried (36 Float R)? I know that the Wotan costs less than many forks out there, but for me, I think that this fork will die with this frame... As for the weight, I don't have seen a difference... Kind of weird, perhaps because this fork is so stiff!
    As for rear shock options, I'd go for either a Fox Float R or a RP23 (send it to Push industries to extend the travel from 2" to 2.25" for giving the bike the claimed 6" of travel.) You already have a DHX air? Send it to Push and explain the feeling you want to have, I'm sure they can do something!

    The other option you have choosen is to go coil rear/coil front. Why this old pattern again? It's not neccesary today to go that route, and mate a coil fork to a coil shock, and an air fork to an air shock... Things have evolved, and air shocks are one. Further more, some air shocks imitates really well coil over suppleness. You weight 190 lbs, so it should'nt be a problem to go with air suspended ride.

    As for the Ti spring, I think that Fox have some for their longer travel setups, but I'm not sure about the 2.25 stroke size (here in Canada, it's OGC that distributes Fox shocks). And guess what? That's what I'm trying to find for my Romic shock...

    In the end, I think that if you're happy with the fork, keep it and work on rear end to mate it to the fork. I know that shocks can be revalved to have a particular feeling depending of what type of rising rate or linear or whatever suspention systems. Custom tuning is defenetly a good option if you like the DHX Air.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mt.Biker E
    Also does anyone know for 08 if the RP23 has the longer stroke?
    If not I'm not sure switching to dhx air is worth it$$$?
    I've also been contemplating a Ti-spring for dhx if I don't go air.
    Anyone know which company has a ti-spring that works for the Moment?
    I'm not even going to ask about price, thats an order & don't look charge.
    I have an '07 7.875"x2.25" RP23, bought direct from Fox. It did come in the longer stroke, I would guess it still does.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mt.Biker E
    Raceimp, I''ve been contimplating a new fork for next spring & was wondering if you notice a weight difference with the Wotan. I'm between going all air(rp2&float36) & going lite, or going coil rear & something beafy up front - Wotan or Fox Van 36.
    I'm a stocky irishman & at 5'9" I weigh 190lbs. I'm basically built like a gorilla.

    Also does anyone know for 08 if the RP23 has the longer stroke?
    If not I'm not sure switching to dhx air is worth it$$$?
    I've also been contemplating a Ti-spring for dhx if I don't go air.
    Anyone know which company has a ti-spring that works for the Moment?
    I'm not even going to ask about price, thats an order & don't look charge.
    The shock you want is the RP23 OR the RP3 (do they still make that?). You shouldn't have any problems getting it in the right length. You could also try the Roco Air or Roco Air TST. They will have a linear feel to them because of the large canisters.

    I really have no complaints of my RP23. I think maybe the valving could be faster to react to bumps more quickly, but it does not spike like the DHX coil did.

    RCS makes coil springs. Manitou (hbproducts.com) does as well. I think they're around $150. Make sure you get the correct spring rate. I believe that that changes between materials, too (steel vs. ti).

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    The '08 also comes from Fox like this... I confirm this.
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