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    Uno Momento-ground zero

    Per Timberr's suggestion, here is a pic of my new Moment frame. I am stoked to build but this is my first "frame only" purchase and don't even know where to start. A little overwhelming. So far, here is what I have in mind for the main stuff:

    Headset--CK
    Fork--Fox Talas 36 R or 36 Float
    Seat post/stem--Thomson
    Wheelset--Mavic Crossmax ST or older XL if I find closeouts
    Drive train--SRAM XO trigger shifters.
    Front der.--XT or XTR
    Cranks--Shimano XTR or FSA
    Brakes--??? Hope or Avid Juicy 7s? Even considering Magura.


    Criticisms or suggestions....please opine. Not only is this my first bike build but my first Ellsworth.
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    Congrats on the new Moment. I love that color! Your planned build looks pretty good, so far. I'm a big fan of Hope brakes, but they take a little extra time to set up. Once you get it built, post pics. You will love the way the Moment rides
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    Welcome and congrats! When you say first bike build, do you mean you'll be doing the wrenching yourself? If you haven't checked out the tooltime forum, here's a really good thread:

    Building a full suspension bike-Step by Step

    Also, I would think about properly prepping the frame. IMHO, if you're going to build up a bike of this caliber, you might as well do it right, and take all the precautions to ensure a spot on build.

    Please post regular updates!

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    Congrats!
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    Quote Originally Posted by tburger
    Welcome and congrats! When you say first bike build, do you mean you'll be doing the wrenching yourself? If you haven't checked out the tooltime forum, here's a really good thread:

    Building a full suspension bike-Step by Step

    Also, I would think about properly prepping the frame. IMHO, if you're going to build up a bike of this caliber, you might as well do it right, and take all the precautions to ensure a spot on build.

    Please post regular updates!
    Not myself. The bike shop will do it.I guess I meant peicing it together. That is an interesting and informative thread. Thanks for it!

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    Way to go FNG. That color is B!tchin. ( 90's word of the day )

    Can't wait to see the final build as well as some action shots.

    As far as comments.

    Go full SRAM drivetrain. Hope brakes. FSA cranks. Also take a look at the RS Lyrik forks. ENJOY!

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    Quote Originally Posted by F.N.G
    Per Timberr's suggestion, here is a pic of my new Moment frame. I am stoked to build but this is my first "frame only" purchase and don't even know where to start. A little overwhelming. So far, here is what I have in mind for the main stuff:

    Headset--CK
    Fork--Fox Talas 36 R or 36 Float
    Seat post/stem--Thomson
    Wheelset--Mavic Crossmax ST or older XL if I find closeouts
    Drive train--SRAM XO trigger shifters.
    Front der.--XT or XTR
    Cranks--Shimano XTR or FSA
    Brakes--??? Hope or Avid Juicy 7s? Even considering Magura.


    Criticisms or suggestions....please opine. Not only is this my first bike build but my first Ellsworth.
    Congrats! You'll love the moment.

    That 36 float fork is sick light, that will most likely be my next fork, and the quick release system is key, so don't get talked into a closeout price on an 06-07 model, stick with the new '08.

    Get the XTR front derailer f orsure, it gives you all the micro clicks so you can fine tune your adjustment in the front.

    I love my shimano cranks.

    I Also love my juicy 7's, but they are such a pain in the ass to switch brake pads, so much so that I'll probably be switching to the oros or the magura louis bats if I get a new bike (all 3 of these have the brake pad adjustment knobs which i definalty use a lot).

    sram xo shifters, twisters or triggers = love.

    Lastly, but IMHO, most importantly, go straight to the I9 wheels, they are SOOOOO stiffer than the other wheel options out there, they really changed the handling of my bike (I came from a king wheelset). A few extra bucks, I know - but hey this is your Mt. Bike!!!!

    Looks like all your options you've posted up will lead you down the right road though, I hope to see the built pix soon!
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    Congrats on the frame, i'd go

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    Hey dude, very nice frame and a great colour.

    I can't be sure from the photo but it looks as if the chain stays are the older straight model, which is the same I got on my Moment purchased May 07. My LBS fitted the previous model XTR cranks to it which after some 6 weeks or so riding the left arm fell off.

    Basically the chain stays were designed wrong with insufficient clearance for the crank arm. This necessitated too many spacers under the left side bottom bracket bearing leading onto insufficient interface between the crank spline and the left hand crank arm.

    There is an extensive thread on this topic from about Sept or so last year.

    The quick fix was to fit a XT crank set to the frame - it has a greater Q factor, a term I previously didn't know existed.

    After extensive terse negotiation between me, my LBS and Ellsworth they sent me the updated chain stay which bend in and then flare outward to allow more clearance for the cranks.

    Needless to say I was far from impressed with the manufacturer and, dare I say, at the time even wished I'd spent my money with that other Californian manufacutrer.

    I would hate to have a fellow rider experience the same frustrations so my advice is to check crank / chain stay clearence before laying money out on your parts - or try and get some of the updated chain stays.

    Aside from this issue (which is now fixed) the bike is absolutely fantastic - If you like hitting rough tracks hard and fast you'll love it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MrStiffee
    Hey dude, very nice frame and a great colour.

    I can't be sure from the photo but it looks as if the chain stays are the older straight model, which is the same I got on my Moment purchased May 07. My LBS fitted the previous model XTR cranks to it which after some 6 weeks or so riding the left arm fell off.

    Basically the chain stays were designed wrong with insufficient clearance for the crank arm. This necessitated too many spacers under the left side bottom bracket bearing leading onto insufficient interface between the crank spline and the left hand crank arm.

    There is an extensive thread on this topic from about Sept or so last year.

    The quick fix was to fit a XT crank set to the frame - it has a greater Q factor, a term I previously didn't know existed.

    After extensive terse negotiation between me, my LBS and Ellsworth they sent me the updated chain stay which bend in and then flare outward to allow more clearance for the cranks.

    Needless to say I was far from impressed with the manufacturer and, dare I say, at the time even wished I'd spent my money with that other Californian manufacutrer.

    I would hate to have a fellow rider experience the same frustrations so my advice is to check crank / chain stay clearence before laying money out on your parts - or try and get some of the updated chain stays.

    Aside from this issue (which is now fixed) the bike is absolutely fantastic - If you like hitting rough tracks hard and fast you'll love it.
    Wow! That came unexpected. Thanks for the info. and input. The guy I bought it from stated it was an '08 frame. I guess I could the company and find out for sure based on my serial #.
    Would you be able to tell yourself if I take different pics of the chainstay and post
    em? I am so glad you posted this as i am close to getting XTR Cranks.
    My other crankset i am eyeballing is FSA K force....any issues known with this compatibility?
    Again, thanks for helping.

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    Chain stays

    You'll be able to tell just by whether there is a bend in the stay or if it is dead straight.

    I've posted some pics of mine so you can compare.

    I'm not sure of the compatability of FSA companents. The new model XT had sufficient clearence with the old stays and as you can see from the photos there is ample with the new re-shaped stay. The XT is a great crank set, very light, looks good and excellent value.

    I'm not sure of the new XTR has a higher Q factor (offset from frame centre line) it would be worth a look, but check before cheque - if you follow me.

    Also, I don't think these types of bikes subscribe too much to the model year, mainly just version variatons. As far as I'm aware the 07 which I have, is the current model, ie the same as the 08 - just look out for the revised chain stays

    Good luck.

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    My non-drive side chainstay is curved, whereas my drive side chainstay is straight. Not sure why one side is curved and the other is straight? I'm running 08 XTR cranks and so far have no issues.
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    I snapped a couple of more pics. Take a looksy and see. According to the Ellsworth brochure, I have the new "Asymmetric Chainstay". Or at least it looks that way. I am stumped about the non drive side though.
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    F.N.G. - You definitely have asymetrical chainstays. The asymetrical refers to the chainstays being asymetric when the bike is viewed from the side. But, it looks from your latest pics that your chainstays (when viewed from above or below) appear straight. If you compare with the pics from MrStiffee, you will see that his chainstays are curved to allow more room for pedal clearance. But, now I'm confused because my 08 Moment looks like it has a straight drive side chainstay and a curved non-drive side chainstay.
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    Perplexed-befuddled? Due to my new post, these are the terms to describe it right now. I will do a search for that old post MrStiffee noted. This was supposed to be a two week old '08 frame also with the '07 shock.
    Regardless of the findings, I am interested in finding out and hope others post some input. I do see what you are referring to regarding the curves but at least yours curves on the non drive side where he said his was originally hitting with the XTR cranks.

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    Ells tech support

    I e-mailed Ells tech support about the diffenent chainstays on the Moment. I'll let you know what they have to say. Lately, T.E. apparently has been personally answering quite a few of the tech questions - and rather promptly, at that.
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    Chainstay pics

    I took some pics of the chainstays on my Moment and my Epiphany. The first two pics are the Moment, the latter two are the Epi. You can see how the non-drive side stay on the Moment is curved to allow more room for the crankarm. I don't have any issues with crankarm clearance on my Moment running 08 XTR cranks. I'm just posting more out of curiosity because MrStiffee's Moment's chainstays appear curved on both sides.
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    Go with XT

    Considering the type of riding you are gonna do, skip the XTR cranks and go with XT. They are pretty much bombproof and you will pay 1/2 the price of XTR at the expense of a few grams. If you were building up an XC bike and every gram counted then it's a different story. Spend the extra $$$ on a hand built wheelset.

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    Yes, both the drive side and non-drive side stays are bent on mine. FYI it was supplied about three weeks ago. Interesting to know that there is more than one version out there.

    Pic below shows the inside of the the drive side arm of my old XTR crank which is now fitted to MrsS' five spot. You can see the rub marks from where it was touching the chain stay under flex. There was about 5mm spacing. The non drive side had to be spaced out using the bearing spacers otherwise it woud hit the stay and not turn at all.

    I took pics of the old fitment - mainly for negotion purposes - that being resolved they're now deleted so I can't show y'all.

    XT worked fine with the old straight stays but I have no experience with the new XTR on them. I would check the fit before making any decisions. Going by the flex experienced with the old XTR I would want a minimum of 7mm clearence - someone else may have more knowledge in that area than me.

    Personally to make things simple I would just fit the XT - just not the bling, I do understand.

    S Rex makes some very good points.

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    Good work guys. It looks like it is settled---XT cranks for me. Stiffees XTR Cranks seem to be the older ones. I have a set of those on my S-Works Stumpjumper and since I have them, I may just try their fit for kicks but spartacus makes a very valid point.

    It appears I may have the older chainstay, Yangpei has the new '08 and stiffee must have the most recent. They may have indented both sides just to be laterally symmetrical.

    Good posts and input guys. This forum is more helpful than my bike shops!

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    ...well I must disagree ...

    Quote Originally Posted by MrStiffee
    Basically the chain stays were designed wrong with insufficient clearance for the crank arm. .
    Mr. Stiffee, I must respectfully disagree. I think what you intended to write was that the chain stays do not fit EVERY POSSIBLE CRANK ever made. I would certainly agree with that statement, just as my beta tape does not fit in my vhs player. But I would hardly claim either was "designed wrong".


    Quote Originally Posted by MrStiffee
    Needless to say I was far from impressed with the manufacturer..
    Hopefully Mr.S. you can see what has happened: based on a certain set of standards, a design was tested, manufactured, and brought to market. That same market then gave feedback which was basically not everyone uses the industry "standard" crankset [if there is such a thing]. The manufacturer then decided decided to make running changes in production [investing prescious time and treasure] in order to accommodate even more of the marketplace [and likely forsaking margin].

    One thing is clear: Tony and crew share the same passion that is the common thread among us all, and I doubt you will find another manufacturer/owner with more passion than he has.

    I, for one, am impressed.
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    Hey FNG - how is the build going?

    I read plenty of recommendations above re: components, but not much in the way of wheelsets. Did you know Ells is making their own wheels? Since you have the Moment, I assume you like riding down as much as up. The Ells All Mountain 32mm rocks - Im running them right now on my Specialist. With the Rogue Im running the 40mm - they are bombproof.

    Im not surprised if you haven't heard of the wheels since they are so new and due to the "word-of-mouth" marketing budget. The 32mm were designed specifically for the Moment in mind. Just as Tburger recommended, if you're gonna do it, do it right.

    I will try to smuggle some Wheel photos out of the shop... I'm not a big fan of the pics on the Ells website ...
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    Thanks RR! I was hoping you would eventually chime in here. I have seen the rims both on the website plus someone had some on their moment who posted pics in the Moment database forum. I don't know anything about them other than they look bold.

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    Those who ride, know.

    Rogue Rider X - you are one smart rider. I don't think most people realize that Ellsworth's motto " Those that ride, know" should actually be " Those who ride, know". Good work.
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