• 12-22-2003
    fc
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    Roll Call - show us your Ellsworth
    Come out of the woodwork and show us the goods. Tell us how you like it as well.

    Here's our very own Photo-John in the delivery room!
  • 12-22-2003
    Pete
    Here's the Truth.





    Id

  • 12-23-2003
    SSINGA
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    The Joker
    Sorry, could not find a couch in the woods!
  • 12-23-2003
    PmbH
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    same problem
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by SSINGA
    Sorry, could not find a couch in the woods!

    Same problem, no sofa or wall available...

    What is the big beef with walls, sofas & trees anyway? Are kickstands the "in thing" right now?
  • 12-23-2003
    AndyH
    I couldn't find any nice action shots like Pete's...
    So you'll just have to stare at these two pics instead ;)

    My 1998 Truth (traded the frame in for my 2001):


    My 2001 Truth. Since this pic was taken last year, I've upgraded from the Shimano XT disc brakes to Magura Martas, and changed the rear shock from a Cane Creek AD-10 to a Manitou Swinger 3-Way:
  • 12-24-2003
    Trevor!
    2004 Ellsworth
    This bike has been nothing but fun.....

  • 12-24-2003
    DirtDad
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    Here is my Id Convertible
    I can built up my Id as a 25lb xc racer or for a day on the chair lifts. In full XC mode I see it as a long travel Truth. The Id is not a true huckster/freeride bike, but I like it that way. For shuttle/chairlift days, I can make these changes (some different from the picture):

    DT Swiss Rear Shock -> Romic
    Frog Ti Pedals -> Platform spds (shoe change, too)
    6" front rotor -> 8" front rotor + caliper adapter
    WTB Mutanoraptor 2.4 race front tire -> 2.5 WTB Weirwolf Race or Schwalbe King Jim
    Kenda Karma DTC 2.0 Rear tire -> IRC Kujo 2.35 or Schwalbe Big Jim
    Mavic X317/American Classic (WTB Laser Lite)/revo front champion rear -> Mavic F519/Hayes Superlite/Champion F&R

    Lower the saddle and go!

    I love the Id. It has real XC geometry, descends like a couch and climbs better than most XC duallies. With an adjustable fork, the front can be steepened to handle tight stuff. The bike gives great confidence to ride near its limits - when you break loose it is easily reeled back in.

    I also like the high bottom bracket feel - it makes you feel like you are riding the equivalent of a monster truck like you are a long way from technical obstacles.
  • 12-25-2003
    wilsonblur
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    my old bike
    I really enjoyed riding my truth but it was a piece. I rode it all over germany, scottland, england, france, switzerland when I lived @ Ramstein AFB Germany. The bushings were nothing but trouble in the wet rainy German weather. The chain stay cracked all the way through the yoke and the head tube cracked two weeks after I got a used chain stay from Ellsworth. It was the best pedaling suspension bike I had ever ridden and it was really stable in the front end. Durability is another issue that is supposed to be resolved in the new design. I didn't realize but I had been riding it for months with a hairline crack at the headtube. It had this creak for ever that I couldn't find until I used a magnifying glass to find it. The LBS confirmed my fear.



  • 12-26-2003
    ThoughtfulPirate
    I dont own an ellsworth, but if anyone wants to buy me an id or a joker, I'd be happy to ride it.
  • 12-28-2003
    rr
    Ok
    Standard shot-sorry no action shots

    Best riding FS rig I've thrown a leg over and climbs technical terrain better than a hardtail.

    Things I would change:
    1. Put a real headtube badge on all frames, not a sticker and then charge $10 for one on your website.
    2. Brake line guides-a must!
    3. Get rid of the internal cable routing on the rear-end, its a hassle getting the cable thru the hole and you can't remove the housing from the stops to clean the cable.

    I love riding this bike, so much so that I had a hard time riding my road bike last summer because the rigid rear end felt primitive compared to the high tech suspension on the Truth.
  • 12-28-2003
    Trevor!
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by rroeder
    Standard shot-sorry no action shots

    Best riding FS rig I've thrown a leg over and climbs technical terrain better than a hardtail.

    Things I would change:
    1. Put a real headtube badge on all frames, not a sticker and then charge $10 for one on your website.
    2. Brake line guides-a must!
    3. Get rid of the internal cable routing on the rear-end, its a hassle getting the cable thru the hole and you can't remove the housing from the stops to clean the cable.

    I love riding this bike, so much so that I had a hard time riding my road bike last summer because the rigid rear end felt primitive compared to the high tech suspension on the Truth.

    Hey, you have a great looking bike there.
    I totally agree, Its the sweetest FS frame I have ever ridden - So smooth and plush and totally stable feeling.

    I agree with the brake line guides, it just seems lazy that Ellsworth haven't added a really simple feature. I do however feel very happy about the head-tube badge being just an easy item to replace as just the other day I scratched mine :(

    Trevor!
  • 12-28-2003
    wilsonblur
    cable guides
    You know they don't add a real head badge and cable guides because it adds like 7 grams of weight or something. It might keep them from the lightest full suspension production frame. Kidding aside they should add these things. My new Blur which weighs .3's of a pound more than my truth has a disc hose guide on the tope tube and one the seat stay all for $600 less. You know that's where all the extra weight is coming from those heavy cable guides.
  • 12-28-2003
    Trevor!
    No I don't think its got anything to do with weight savings LOL! I actually really like the headbadge though - It looks totally cool and if you scratch it like I already have then you can replace it! Not that aesthetics are that important........

    The blur is a sweet bike for sure, but the finish of the Ellsworth is probably what adds to the price, that is, the Shot peened finish and the annondizing and the laser etched graphics - no paint or decals or anything.
  • 12-28-2003
    wilsonblur
    Ells not the only one
    If I'm not mistaken my Blur also has and anodized shot peened finish and SC was using Laser etching while Ells was still using those lousy decals on the 94-00 models. It's like any thing else in the world it's expensive to engineer a frame that will last that cuts .3-.5 of pound off of it's competitors. The truth is a great bike. I loved mine before it broke. The Blur is is also great but is very different in terms of ride. What really made the difference for me was the customer service at SC and sizing. I had an offer of a $1400 crash replacement from Ells for a 2004 or I could buy a 2004 Blur for the same price. The truth tt was about 22.5 and the blur 21.6. I tried shorter stems and moving my seat all the way forward but the small truth was just too big. After getting used to the Blur's set up and having a bike that fits I don't miss back and wrist pain. So far I am not regretting changing manufacturers. The only bummer is there are so many people riding blur's, the truth was a bit more distinctive. Enjoy yours!
  • 12-29-2003
    rr
    Why is E. forcing people to upgrade to a complete 04' frame?, my 01' front section broke last summer and they replaced it (03' front section) w/o cost and they offered to upgrade my rear section to the new 04' rocker and shock at an add. $400, which I declined, but if the new rear end will work with previous years front sections, then shouldn't the 04' front section work with previous years rear sections? Maybe they do but E. is choosing not to handle it that way, I mean replacing the broken front section w/ an 04' front section at no cost. My experience w/ them has been fine, but I know they are p...ing people off with this 04' upgrade stuff. Anyway, I think my frame will hold up fine and if it doesn't, then I will probably ask them to build me a Truth w/heavier tubing and if they won't then I will go w/something else.
  • 12-29-2003
    rr
    Thanks Trevor, yours is looking sweet also! BTW, I was able to drill out the cable stops and run the brake line thru them. It works well and looks clean.
  • 12-29-2003
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    04 Joker
    This is the seventh mountain bike that I have own and by far is the best hardcore trail bike that I've ridden. It weights from 32 to 36 pounds depending on the wheel and tire selection. The onepointfive is great but not enough manufacturers make 1.5 stems and limiting options.
  • 12-29-2003
    Trevor!
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by rroeder
    Thanks Trevor, yours is looking sweet also! BTW, I was able to drill out the cable stops and run the brake line thru them. It works well and looks clean.

    Thats very clean looking. I remember you posting that a while ago and was impressed but couldn't bring myself to drilling out the stops for fear of buggering it up - which there is probably a 99.9% chance of me doing :p
  • 01-02-2004
    Hollis
    Older Isis SL
    My '99 Isis SL :D
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  • 01-05-2004
    SlowSSer
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    well, its not mine- this is my dad's Id. he absolutely loves it. Im afraid to ride it for fear of wanting something other than all of my hardtails.
  • 01-05-2004
    SSINGA
    IMO...the Red Ano is one of the best colors!

    You're right, don't get on it.
  • 01-05-2004
    DiRt DeViL
    Stay away from Dad's bike.
  • 01-05-2004
    SlowSSer
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by SSINGA
    IMO...the Red Ano is one of the best colors!

    You're right, don't get on it.

    the red is definitely one of the best choices. I'd have to get out of my grey stage- 3 of the 4 bikes are ti grey. oh well.

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by DiRt DeViL
    Stay away from Dad's bike.

    its a good thing that I dont live there- or else I'd see it every day and be rather tempted.

    here's the cool part- that whole bike is a hair under 29 lbs. it weighs less than my sofa king hardtail gearie. ouch.
  • 01-07-2004
    pixelninja
    Here's my 03 Isis
  • 01-09-2004
    cbcbcbcb
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    Rode hard and put away wet
    Love it!

    I did have a cracked seatstay at the disc brake mount. Ellsworth turned around the replacement part within a couple of days.
  • 01-09-2004
    mtblife
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    errrright, here's my bike...
    My girlfriend is jealous of my bike. I spend more time with it than her, sorry honey.
  • 01-10-2004
    Trevor!
    Sweet Looking bike indeed.
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by mtblife
    My girlfriend is jealous of my bike. I spend more time with it than her, sorry honey.

    I really like the look of your build and I like the frame colour.

    Two question - On your chainstay is that a road tube or something raped around it, or something else. It looks very neat and tidy, wouldn't mind adding that to my Truth. Second question - Is your seatpost a 350mm or longer EC70. I have the 350mm and it continually slips and I have done some damage to the post so was thinking of getting the longer one... Curious to know if you know the weight of the post?

    Sweet bike - Your girlfriend would probably spend more time on a Truth if she new how it rode!!!

    Ciao
    Trevor!
  • 01-10-2004
    mtblife
    Yo, Trevor...
    On my chainstay, I have a regular 26X1.95-2.1 MTB inner tube. Just simply cut the desired length and you've got the cheapest yet functional chainstay guard. To put it on, just simply unscrew the chainstay bolt, slip on the tube and voila, you've done it!
    As for my seatpost length, it's a 350mm EC70. The weight is about 200g, according to Easton. Many people have the similar complaint you have about the seatpost slipping down. I fortunately have not. In fact, when I ride XC, I have the seatpost set to #3 and never experience slippage. Hopefully you didn't lube your seatpost, because it is entriely NOT needed. If your looking for this same seatpost but in a longer length, that is 400mm, I spoke to a rep from Easton and they said they're working on it. It should be available some time in July this year. Hey by the way thanks for your feedback on the "Why bike to buy forum," regarding "What size truth do you ride." Remember? It was posted by the name "Saddle Sore." Keep on ridin!!!!
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Trevor!
    I really like the look of your build and I like the frame colour.

    Two question - On your chainstay is that a road tube or something raped around it, or something else. It looks very neat and tidy, wouldn't mind adding that to my Truth. Second question - Is your seatpost a 350mm or longer EC70. I have the 350mm and it continually slips and I have done some damage to the post so was thinking of getting the longer one... Curious to know if you know the weight of the post?

    Sweet bike - Your girlfriend would probably spend more time on a Truth if she new how it rode!!!

    Ciao
    Trevor!

  • 01-10-2004
    Trevor!
    Happy to see you made the right choice, mtblife
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by mtblife
    On my chainstay, I have a regular 26X1.95-2.1 MTB inner tube. Just simply cut the desired length and you've got the cheapest yet functional chainstay guard. To put it on, just simply unscrew the chainstay bolt, slip on the tube and voila, you've done it!
    As for my seatpost length, it's a 350mm EC70. The weight is about 200g, according to Easton. Many people have the similar complaint you have about the seatpost slipping down. I fortunately have not. In fact, when I ride XC, I have the seatpost set to #3 and never experience slippage. Hopefully you didn't lube your seatpost, because it is entriely NOT needed. If your looking for this same seatpost but in a longer length, that is 400mm, I spoke to a rep from Easton and they said they're working on it. It should be available some time in July this year. Hey by the way thanks for your feedback on the "Why bike to buy forum," regarding "What size truth do you ride." Remember? It was posted by the name "Saddle Sore." Keep on ridin!!!!

    I am happy to see you picked up the Ellsworth and no doubt you are loving the bike.I cant seem to ride mine enough and I am getting on the trails 7 days a week! I have my seatpost set on 6 so would like a slightly longer seatpost for when I grow and also to provide me some assurance from my current deeply scratch EC70 :eek: ....

    I'll have to use an old tube on the chainstay as it looks much nicer then my current Lizard Skin..

    Great to see you picked up Truth.
    Trevor!
  • 01-13-2004
    Super Q
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    This was my first Ellsworth Joker
    I bought this 03 Ellsworth Joker here on MTBReview back in July. It came with the following parts: fork: 2002 Fox Vanilla R
    headset: Chris King
    hubs: Chris King ISO
    rims: Mavic D321 laced with DT DB spokes
    brakes: 2002 Avid disk with Avid levers
    cranks: 2003 XT with '03 XT BB
    tires: Nokian Gazza Jr., Nokian Gazza Dual
    stem/bars: Easton EA50
    shifters: 2002 XT

    This was my first mountainbike, I call it phase one
  • 01-13-2004
    Super Q
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    still an 03, but a lot has changed
    This was the same 03 frame, but as you can see, i upgraded to a romic shock in the rear, hope m4's 185mm, thompson seatpost, raceface stem, truvative crankset, new seat, and that's about it. This was like phase 4.5
  • 01-13-2004
    SSINGA
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Super Q
    This was the same 03 frame, but as you can see, i upgraded to a romic shock in the rear, hope m4's 185mm, thompson seatpost, raceface stem, truvative crankset, new seat, and that's about it. This was like phase 4.5


    Nice looking bike Super Q!! Is that a 7" rear travel frame. I noticed in the 1st pic it had a shock mount adaptor bracket for the Fox. Those are some BLUE tires!!!!!
  • 01-13-2004
    Super Q
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    2004 1.5 headtube Joker
    This is my latest Ellsworth Joker. I wanted the 04 joker with a 1.5 headtube, but since I already had an 03, I wasn't about to buy a new 04. Then one day I was in my LBS, and the owner told me he could make me a great deal on an 04 1.5 with a build kit. I had been planning on upgrading my old 03 joker front fork to a sherman breakout ($500.00), and he said that he would make me a deal on the build kit. So I put my old frame, fork, stem, and bars up for sale, and I ended up getting the new 04 joker and only had to pay about $250.00 difference. I loved the 03, but I love my 04 more. It's a little heavy at 39lbs, but i think alot of that is in the heavy downhill tubes I am running. I have only ridden the bike once since I got it, so it's still nice and shiny clean :)
  • 01-13-2004
    Super Q
    yup that's right, at first the 03 had a shock mount adaptor bracket for the fox rear shock. It was the 7" travel version, but with the adaptor, it was only getting 5.5 in the rear, so I upgraded to a romic, and you know it climbed better and bobed less with the 7" romic than with the 5.5 fox!
  • 01-13-2004
    ricochet
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    mine
    This is my 02, before the accident I have since upgraded to a black 03
  • 01-13-2004
    lidarman
    I like to ride
    Truth (RIP) P=pieces

    <img border="2" src=http://gallery.consumerreview.com/webcrossing/images/ldronew(1).jpg>

    (Thanks Kristian for the pic)

    and it's replacement,

    <img border="2" src=http://gallery.consumerreview.com/webcrossing/images/IMG_6869~1(1).jpg>
  • 01-16-2004
    Spookykinkajou
    An observation
    I've been bored at work browsing the pictures of everyones bikes and have noticed a common trend in the ellsworth section that surprised me. ALOT of people mention cracking this, replacing that, breaking this...what's up with ellsworth? they cost a fortune yet still break?? i've wanted to get an ID or truth for awhile now but may be looking elsewhere!
  • 01-16-2004
    SSINGA
    All bikes break...
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Spookykinkajou
    I've been bored at work browsing the pictures of everyones bikes and have noticed a common trend in the ellsworth section that surprised me. ALOT of people mention cracking this, replacing that, breaking this...what's up with ellsworth? they cost a fortune yet still break?? i've wanted to get an ID or truth for awhile now but may be looking elsewhere!

    Any frame can and will break especially it it is used outside it's "intended purpose". I've been present when or personally broken many different brands. Personally, I've broken an Ellsworth, Azonic and a few Giants. I've seen Yeti, Specialized, Fisher, Trek, Turner and Santa Cruz frames break. Some were true JRA's and others were asking for the break. It is true though that alot of the early Ellsworths had some design flaws and were prone to break. I was treated very well when I called to warranty the part and had a completely redesigned swingarm in 4 days, no questions asked. I wouldn't be worried about if you are purchasing it new and as a matter of fact my next bike will be an Ellsworth.
  • 01-16-2004
    TruckeeLocal
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    Here's an Id
    Here's my Id. Unusual stuff are the saddle (Brooks), normal stuff are XT, Crossmax XLs, Shimano 646 pedals, Thompson stem and seat post. Dirt is Sierra moon dust that should get through the Fox Vanilla seals sometime - that's what quite a few folks have found anyway.
  • 01-18-2004
    notMurray
    Blue Truth
    Note the down-tube guard. A little extra insurance against flying rocks. They're available at Go-Ride.com.

    http://gallery.consumerreview.com/we...online0001.jpg
  • 01-22-2004
    portnoy
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    I can't resist, don't usually show off...
    Here's my O3' ID, Romic in back, Sherman SPV in front. I may have posted the pictures wrong. Here goes...
  • 01-22-2004
    bike26
    Sweet Bikes
    i wish i had the cash to buy one
  • 01-24-2004
    wjc1
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    Seeing the TRUTH
    My TRUTH no longer has the fender or the cheezy XTR sticker on the wheels and the tires are now WTB Weirwolfs. -Bill
  • 01-24-2004
    TruckeeLocal
    How, pray tell me
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by wjc1
    My TRUTH no longer has the fender or the cheezy XTR sticker on the wheels and the tires are now WTB Weirwolfs. -Bill

    How did you go about getting the stickers off the wheel set ? I wouldn't mind 'upgrading' my wheels to something less garish (Mavic CrossMax XLs). That and it'll save 100 grams or something silly. Once that's done how about tackling the "Ellsworth" graphic ?
  • 01-24-2004
    mtblife
    UR Truth size?
    Hey Bill, nice Truth. Yeah, I switched my tires also, and to Weirwolf. There the best tires I've tried, and I've tried many. I just got these Pythons only for hard packed terrain, and only for this kind of terrain. Using them on any other is futile. By the way, what size Truth are you ridin?

    ~Mike
  • 01-25-2004
    Free-Nando
    This is my ID


    Happy in general but I would like to have a lower b/bracket and slacker head angle. Im running the bike with a Romic on it.
    I had to use the warranty due to a cracked weld on the front triangle, the customer service was VERY GOOD, I had a new frame back in ten days.
  • 01-26-2004
    thegood
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    Sittin home bored outta my mind cuz of the lousy winter weather in DC...so I snapped some pics...my Truth and my wife's Sub-22.
  • 01-26-2004
    lidarman
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Free-Nando

    Happy in general but I would like to have a lower b/bracket and slacker head angle. Im running the bike with a Romic on it.
    I had to use the warranty due to a cracked weld on the front triangle, the customer service was VERY GOOD, I had a new frame back in ten days.

    Solution: Run more sag in the rear and crank up the compression damping a couple clicks--> lower bottom bracket, slacker head angle (sorry a little less travel in the rear however)
  • 01-27-2004
    V-Dub
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    Here you go... Joker, Dare, Specialist. Should have my 04' Dare in about a week. Super excited to build it up...
  • 01-27-2004
    merlin
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    Ok Here's Mine.
    This baby was built for racing:
    FSA Carbon Cranks
    FSA TI BB
    Sram shifters and rear derailer
    Avid Single Digit TI & V Brakes
    Fox Float 100
  • 01-27-2004
    Trevor!
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by merlin
    This baby was built for racing:
    FSA Carbon Cranks
    FSA TI BB
    Sram shifters and rear derailer
    Avid Single Digit TI & V Brakes
    Fox Float 100

    Sweet build indeed. Sorta kind reminds me of mine...

    Trevor!
  • 01-28-2004
    GspotRider
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by V-Dub
    Here you go... Joker, Dare, Specialist. Should have my 04' Dare in about a week. Super excited to build it up...

    V-Dub, I look forward to hearing about the new 04 Dare.

    Mine is an oldy but a goodie.

  • 01-28-2004
    AndyH
    Someone posted pics recently...
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by TruckeeLocal
    How did you go about getting the stickers off the wheel set ? I wouldn't mind 'upgrading' my wheels to something less garish (Mavic CrossMax XLs). That and it'll save 100 grams or something silly.

    Once that's done how about tackling the "Ellsworth" graphic ?[/QUOTE]
    Someone posted pics recently of a set of new CrossMax's with the stickers removed...looked pretty stealth! I believe he was a Turner rider, the pic was posted either over on the What Bike to Buy forum, or the Turner forum.

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by TruckeeLocal
    Once that's done how about tackling the "Ellsworth" graphic ?

    No can do on the annodized Ellsworth's as the graphics are laser-etched into the frame. Much more durable compared to the old stickers that tended to peal off easily.
  • 01-28-2004
    bock
    cool
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Super Q
    This was the same 03 frame, but as you can see, i upgraded to a romic shock in the rear, hope m4's 185mm, thompson seatpost, raceface stem, truvative crankset, new seat, and that's about it. This was like phase 4.5

    Man, that is a SWEET looking bike! Did I understand you correctly that that's your first mountain bike ever? Not a bad choice.
  • 01-29-2004
    mtblife
    Stem degree?
    Hi msylvan, just wondering, is your stem at a 15 degree angle? If so, do you like the angle?
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by msylvan
    Here's my O3' ID, Romic in back, Sherman SPV in front. I may have posted the pictures wrong. Here goes...

  • 01-29-2004
    mtblife
    Stem length and degree rise?
    Hi Merlin,
    I've gotta size small 04 Truth, but I'm having a bit of a problem with the top tube length and need to make the adjustments required to have a top-tube length similar to that of the medium. Now your probably asking why I didn't just get the medium frame to begin with. The answer is that I would've got the medium frame which has a top tube length of 23.5" but because the stand-over height was too much, I resorted to the small, thinking I can make adjustments with some components. Anyways, this is why I have the small, and it's top-tube length is 22.25". If you do the math, this is a 1.25 inch difference in length. To compensate for this, I decided to put in an EC70 seatpost that has 3/4"off-set. Currently, I have a 110mm/10 degree stem. Unfortunately, this stem is too short, and entirely noticable, since I feel scrunched up in the saddle. I'm considering getting a longer stem to compensate for the 1.25" that I don't have, but am afraid of losing steer performance. Do you have a longer stem on your truth, and if so, how do you like it? I wanna set it up my Truth for XC racing like you because I'm entering a race this Spring. Can you help a fellow racer figure out what to do about my stem? Thanks.
    ~Mike
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by merlin
    This baby was built for racing:
    FSA Carbon Cranks
    FSA TI BB
    Sram shifters and rear derailer
    Avid Single Digit TI & V Brakes
    Fox Float 100

  • 01-29-2004
    tomcat
    [b]check This Ellsworth
  • 01-29-2004
    mtblife
    What to do about my stem?
    Hi Merlin,
    I have a 2004 Truth in a small, but I'm having a bit of a problem with the top-tube length (22.25"). It's too short and I need a few more inches (let's not get nasty hear now). Anyways, I did try the medium and it's top-tube length is what I'm looking for (23.5). Your probably asking yourself, "Why didn't you just get it then." The answer is simple, the stand-over height was too much, so a resorted with the small assuming that I could remedy the problem with some components. If you do the math, the difference in top-tube lengths between the two sizes is 1.25". To compensate for this, I installed an EC70 seat-post that has a 3/4" set-back. Well, I still have about .5" more to inches to reach the desired cockpit room I'm looking for. Obviously, this is where we consider what stem should be used. What stem length and degree rise do you think I should get, and what impact will this have on steer performance. I'm entering a race this Spring, and so I wanna set-up my bike for XC racing. Hope you can help a fellow rider out. Thanks.

    Sincerely,
    Mike
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by merlin
    This baby was built for racing:
    FSA Carbon Cranks
    FSA TI BB
    Sram shifters and rear derailer
    Avid Single Digit TI & V Brakes
    Fox Float 100

  • 01-29-2004
    tomcat
    1 Attachment(s)
    Sweet Id
    This Is One Sweet Id Xtr All The Way Around With All The Right Stuff!!!!
  • 01-30-2004
    wjc1
    XTR Sticker Removal
    They were not on that greatto begin with. THere were a couple of bubbles which si what brought my attention to them. They peel off pretty easy. Just need a good thumb nail to get them going. Looks much cleaner without them.
  • 01-30-2004
    wjc1
    Truth size
    Thanks, I went with a (16"?) small vs. medium mostly to have a little faster handling.
    I used the Weirwolf in the snow last weekend and I was impressed at how well they handle. I think the angular treads help. I have my front set up opposite to the rear.
    I had Mosquito's on before these and they were terrible in any moisture at all. -Bill

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by mtblife
    Hey Bill, nice Truth. Yeah, I switched my tires also, and to Weirwolf. There the best tires I've tried, and I've tried many. I just got these Pythons only for hard packed terrain, and only for this kind of terrain. Using them on any other is futile. By the way, what size Truth are you ridin?

    ~Mike

  • 02-03-2004
    jdcamb
    1 Attachment(s)
    My turn.....
    2002 medium Truth. Serves me very well. I like it.....jdcamb
  • 02-03-2004
    SSINGA
    Ti Spring???
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by jdcamb
    2002 medium Truth. Serves me very well. I like it.....jdcamb

    Is that a Ti spring on your shock?
  • 02-03-2004
    jdcamb
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by SSINGA
    Is that a Ti spring on your shock?


    Yes.....jdcamb
  • 02-03-2004
    TT.
    1 Attachment(s)
    here's mine
    pic is kida' gay, but I swear it's an Ells. :D :D
  • 02-08-2004
    magpie
    1 Attachment(s)
    just finished
    I just finished building this although I still need a front derailler and the thompson stem I'm waiting for.
  • 02-08-2004
    Trevor!
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by magpie
    I just finished building this although I still need a front derailler and the thompson stem I'm waiting for.

    Nice build Magpie - Blue is a really great colour... I almost wish I choose blue.


    Trevor!
  • 02-08-2004
    Timmy S
    1 Attachment(s)
    My Id for your viewing pleasure
    Disc brakes and rim/hubs to come when the budget allows...
  • 02-09-2004
    Evil Con-fecal
    I'll Show you mine,...
    The Joker
    2002 w/ Fox
    New rear triangle
    New 04 Super T
    Avid levers and brakes 200mm up front 160mm in back
    XT components
    Holzfeller fatty bar with lock on grips
    Azonic flats
    Berzerker saddle
    Thomson post
    Rhinolite XLs
    2.5 Weirwolf rear(soon to be highroller)
    2.7 Maxxis minion front
    Sweet ride for sweet posing.

  • 02-09-2004
    Ride4Fun
    1 Attachment(s)
    2004 Truth
    My ride
  • 02-09-2004
    HTail
    2001.5 Truth Candy Red powdercoat
    This bike has been da bomb! Great for tough climbs, floats over rocks and roots, and flies down hill. It's actually a 2001 frame updated with a 2002 rear end.

    Romic
    Fox F100X
    XTR
    Easton bar/post
    Odi Rogue lockon grips
    WTB Rocket Laser Seat
    Ritchey WCS stem
    CrossMaxSL
    Conti Vert Pros

    Here's a picture just after if was born, still clean!
  • 02-09-2004
    HTail
    1 Attachment(s)
    Here's the picture....
    Ok, let's try to get that picture uploaded...
  • 02-11-2004
    notMurray
    2 Attachment(s)
    One more try
    I'll try this again since I screwed up the pic last time. Again, the Down-tube Guard is great for these things considering the thickness of the tubes and the kind of riding I do.
  • 02-13-2004
    TeamTwentyFour
    My old bike....
    Could this be quite possibly the world's most famous Ellsworth?<p>
    <img src="http://www.teamtwentyfour.com/!html_email/DCP_0002.JPG"><p>
    <b> It's located in here.....</b>
    <p><img src="http://www.teamtwentyfour.com/!html_email/DCP_0006.JPG">
  • 02-13-2004
    TeamTwentyFour
    My new bike....
    <img src="http://www.teamtwentyfour.com/!html_email/DCP_0014.JPG">
  • 02-13-2004
    mtblife
    saddle?
    Hi, what kinda saddle do you sit on? Also, where'd you get that rig holding your battery on the seat post. It's pretty neat. Keep on ridin!
  • 02-13-2004
    TeamTwentyFour
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by mtblife
    Hi, what kinda saddle do you sit on? Also, where'd you get that rig holding your battery on the seat post. It's pretty neat. Keep on ridin!

    The saddle is a Flite SLR. Light & minimalist, but comfortable. It's more popular with the roadies than it is with mountain bikers.

    The battery holder is simply 2 machined aluminium clamps (these are available at most bike shops.....a lot of Trek bikes like the Y-Foil used to come with them). They allow you to bolt up any standard water bottle cage on the seatpost. There is also an optional bracket that allows 2 cages to be installed at 45degree angles....sorta like the triathletes use behind their saddles.
  • 02-17-2004
    singletrackmind
    2 Attachment(s)
    Id
    2003 15" frame...
  • 02-17-2004
    iattackthedarkness
    1 Attachment(s)
    here it is, but...
    the wheels fell off of it again
  • 02-18-2004
    TeamTwentyFour
    whoaaa....an Ellsworth "Ski Bike"??
    Pretty cool!
  • 02-18-2004
    iattackthedarkness
    thanks, the wheels fell off...
    and to top it all off... tony won't warrenty it either! :eek:
  • 02-18-2004
    GonzoKY
    1 Attachment(s)
    Here is my new Truth
    :d :d :d :d :d :d
  • 03-08-2004
    Maciejunio
    1 Attachment(s)
    My new bike!
    My new 03 Joker....
  • 03-19-2004
    Palisworth
    1 Attachment(s)
    Here is mine!
    Great Frame, Great Fork!
    Palisworth
  • 04-19-2004
    fats
    1 Attachment(s)
    My Specialist
    I've looked thorugh this thread and i was upset to only see one specialist, although it is V-Dubs. Watching Third down on my computer right now loved the Back hop drop on the dare V-dub, very nice.

    Anyway, i dont have a picture of my dare but it is a small black with dorado's and all the other neccessart stuff, i love my dare but my specialist is just so good that i hardly ride it, its fast, light and strong (and it looks the dogs!). I have it built with XTR/Saint MRP Chris king on D3.1 wheels, king headset Pyslo SL (they're the only fault, way too flexxy), thomson, etc. (sorry about the picture i used my phone, serious laziness.
  • 04-20-2004
    Blanman
    3 Attachment(s)
    New ride
    Check out my new ID.
    this past Saturday I did my 4th ride.

    BlanMan
  • 04-21-2004
    upnbike
    :cool: :D :) :D :cool:
  • 04-27-2004
    eofer
    1 Attachment(s)
    My Id
    Hi all,
    Here is an Id from Israel with love :p
  • 04-27-2004
    bikingviking
    Great looking Id you got there, eOfer
    These red Id's look stunning .
    I'm sure it rides as well as it looks.
  • 04-29-2004
    Maciejunio
    1 Attachment(s)
    My Joker
    Another picture of my Joker.
  • 04-30-2004
    maxturku
    1 Attachment(s)
    my dare
    this is my dare 2004 fr
  • 05-25-2004
    Renegade
    1 Attachment(s)
    My 2000 Joker, it's for sale if any of you would like to add to your collection.

    http://marketplace.consumerreview.co...uery=retrieval
  • 05-26-2004
    Bikemangobig
    looks fun
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Pete
    Here's the Truth.





    Id


    ride on ellsworth friend i got pic in mtbr photo big bear on the moment
  • 05-26-2004
    Bikemangobig
    cross country should be ridden that way
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by wilsonblur
    I really enjoyed riding my truth but it was a piece. I rode it all over germany, scottland, england, france, switzerland when I lived @ Ramstein AFB Germany. The bushings were nothing but trouble in the wet rainy German weather. The chain stay cracked all the way through the yoke and the head tube cracked two weeks after I got a used chain stay from Ellsworth. It was the best pedaling suspension bike I had ever ridden and it was really stable in the front end. Durability is another issue that is supposed to be resolved in the new design. I didn't realize but I had been riding it for months with a hairline crack at the headtube. It had this creak for ever that I couldn't find until I used a magnifying glass to find it. The LBS confirmed my fear.




    if your doing anything big stop buy a 04 joker 7 or dare my truth has never failed and the way i ride (smooth) it never will
  • 05-26-2004
    Bikemangobig
    internal cable seatstay all the way
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by rroeder
    Standard shot-sorry no action shots

    Best riding FS rig I've thrown a leg over and climbs technical terrain better than a hardtail.

    Things I would change:
    1. Put a real headtube badge on all frames, not a sticker and then charge $10 for one on your website.
    2. Brake line guides-a must!
    3. Get rid of the internal cable routing on the rear-end, its a hassle getting the cable thru the hole and you can't remove the housing from the stops to clean the cable.

    I love riding this bike, so much so that I had a hard time riding my road bike last summer because the rigid rear end felt primitive compared to the high tech suspension on the Truth.

    just bend the last 1" of cable and roll it untell it finds the hole takes me a hole 2 sec do u work at a shop i do thats how i do it its easy
  • 05-26-2004
    Bikemangobig
    usa product do u support slaving kides
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by wilsonblur
    If I'm not mistaken my Blur also has and anodized shot peened finish and SC was using Laser etching while Ells was still using those lousy decals on the 94-00 models. It's like any thing else in the world it's expensive to engineer a frame that will last that cuts .3-.5 of pound off of it's competitors. The truth is a great bike. I loved mine before it broke. The Blur is is also great but is very different in terms of ride. What really made the difference for me was the customer service at SC and sizing. I had an offer of a $1400 crash replacement from Ells for a 2004 or I could buy a 2004 Blur for the same price. The truth tt was about 22.5 and the blur 21.6. I tried shorter stems and moving my seat all the way forward but the small truth was just too big. After getting used to the Blur's set up and having a bike that fits I don't miss back and wrist pain. So far I am not regretting changing manufacturers. The only bummer is there are so many people riding blur's, the truth was a bit more distinctive. Enjoy yours!

    ellsworth 4 bar has instant center tracking read up ellsworth all the way those who ride know been riding for years on them santa cruz sux sorry i use to have one super light or super bob
  • 05-26-2004
    Bikemangobig
    learn your bike
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by rroeder
    Why is E. forcing people to upgrade to a complete 04' frame?, my 01' front section broke last summer and they replaced it (03' front section) w/o cost and they offered to upgrade my rear section to the new 04' rocker and shock at an add. $400, which I declined, but if the new rear end will work with previous years front sections, then shouldn't the 04' front section work with previous years rear sections? Maybe they do but E. is choosing not to handle it that way, I mean replacing the broken front section w/ an 04' front section at no cost. My experience w/ them has been fine, but I know they are p...ing people off with this 04' upgrade stuff. Anyway, I think my frame will hold up fine and if it doesn't, then I will probably ask them to build me a Truth w/heavier tubing and if they won't then I will go w/something else.

    levrage ratio changed duh and did you read the warranty u should take time and really read it also u should be happy they offerd the 04 its trick plush and read reviews in mags whare the peolpe that r rateing them r real bikers not morons that bash on mtbr do u want a full sus 4 bar thats 100 % drive eff. i do your loss if u buy some thing else think before u talk ****
  • 05-26-2004
    Bikemangobig
    no on the ec 70
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Trevor!
    I really like the look of your build and I like the frame colour.

    Two question - On your chainstay is that a road tube or something raped around it, or something else. It looks very neat and tidy, wouldn't mind adding that to my Truth. Second question - Is your seatpost a 350mm or longer EC70. I have the 350mm and it continually slips and I have done some damage to the post so was thinking of getting the longer one... Curious to know if you know the weight of the post?

    Sweet bike - Your girlfriend would probably spend more time on a Truth if she new how it rode!!!

    Ciao
    Trevor!

    u should not run that seat post thomson is the way straight post never lay back
  • 05-27-2004
    GregH
    1 Attachment(s)
    My New Isis!
    Parts consist of,

    ' 03 Rock Shox Psylo XC, Manitou QR rear shock, Avid mechanical disc brakes, Chris King headset, Chris King ISO disc hubs, Salsa Gordo rims, Race Face Deuce stem, Race Face hanlebars and bash guard, Oury lock on grips, a mix of Shimano XT, XTR components and Maxxis High Roller Tires.

    I want to upgrade the rear shock to a coil over. Anyone have any suggestions?

    Thanks,
    Greg
  • 05-28-2004
    Winston
    2 Attachment(s)
    From Truth to ID
    From the ashes of my Truth rose the ID.