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    Rogue Setup Data Base

    I'm setting up this new thread for the Rogue owners and I borrowed the setup format from Trail Advent's data base threads. Once owners have posted here I will ask our moderator, Trevor!, to make this a link that can be accessed within the "Es Setup, Data Base, FAQ" sticky thread.
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    Rogue setup data base (All Mountain, 6-7-8 inch rear travel)

    Rogue owners to post! Potential owners to view & compare, gain insight etc!

    Also "no flames please" you can do that on other posts or create a new one if you need to vent, this is an information data base to assist not to attack or hinder, so hopefully we will get some great info.

    Use the link creator to your pics if posted elswhere on the E board helps speed things up

    * Riding terrain conditions: *

    * Rider height, weight, ride style e.g XC, endurance,trail, hucker etc*

    * Frame, Size, & Color:
    * Fork:
    * Shock, i2i, stroke
    * Brakes:
    * Cranks:
    * Shifters:
    * Front Derailleur:
    * Rear Derailleur:
    * Pedals:
    * Stem:
    * Handlebar:
    * Seatpost:
    * Saddle:
    * Bottom Bracket:
    * Cassette:
    * Chain:
    * Headset:
    * Grips:
    * Front Tire:
    * Front Rim/ Spokes:
    * Front Hub/Skewer:
    * Rear Tire:
    * Rear Rim:
    * Rear Hub/Skewer:
    * Cables:
    * Misc:
    * Overall Weight:
    * Future UGI:
    * Pics http://

    Enjoy & post away!
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    My Ellsworth Rogue

    * Riding terrain conditions: * All kind

    * Rider height, weight, ride style e.g XC, endurance,trail, hucker etc* Height 1.70M = 5.577ft, Weight 190lb, Ride Style Aggressive trail riding with light FR

    * Frame, Size, & Color: 16 Smoke finish
    * Fork: Marzocchi 66 Light ETA 170MM
    * Shock, i2i, stroke Fox DHX 5.0 Coil 8" travel 8.75" X 2.80" spring 400
    * Brakes: Shimano XTR with 8" rotors front & rear
    * Cranks: Shimano Saint 175 24/36 with E13 bash guard
    * Shifters: [/COLOR]Shimano XT
    * Front Derailleur: Shimano XT
    * Rear Derailleur: Shimano XTR
    * Pedals: Flats Xpedo TI
    * Stem: Syncros 40MM
    * Handlebar: Answer Pro Taper
    * Seatpost: Thomson Elite
    * Saddle: SDG Bell Air SL
    * Bottom Bracket: Shimano Saint
    * Cassette:Shimano XTR
    * Chain:Shimano XTR
    * Headset: Chris King
    * Grips: ODI Lock on grips
    * Front Tire: WTB Timberwolf 2.5 – Tubeless
    * Front Rim/ Spokes: Mavic EX 729 with Wheel Smith Spokes
    * Front Hub/Skewer: Hadley front 20MM - Red
    * Rear Tire: WTB Timberwolf 2.5 – Tubeless
    * Rear Rim: Mavic EX 729 with Wheel Smith Spokes
    * Rear Hub/Skewer: Hadley rear 12MM - Red
    * Cables: Avid - Flak Jacket cable
    * Misc:
    * Overall Weight: 17.6KG = 38.8lb
    * Future UGI: Lighter 7" Fork with ETA when available, Saddle WTB Pure V White-Sil /Ti Rails
    * Pics http:// http://forums.mtbr.com/showthread.php?t=168236
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    My Rogue

    * Riding terrain conditions: * All kind

    * Rider height, weight, ride style e.g XC, endurance,trail, hucker etc* 1m80, 85 Kg, agressive trails, DH.

    * Frame, Size, & Color: 18 black anodized
    * Fork: Fox 36 Van R
    * Shock, i2i, stroke Fox DHX 5.0 titanium 450 coil
    * Brakes: Hope mono M4 180 mm float
    * Cranks: Race face Deus XC with MRP bashguard
    * Shifters: Sram X9
    * Front Derailleur: Sram X9
    * Rear Derailleur: Sram X9
    * Pedals: Crank Brothers 5050 X
    * Stem: Thomson Elite X4 0x50mm
    * Handlebar: FSA FR 270
    * Seatpost: Thomson elite
    * Saddle: SDG bel air RL
    * Bottom Bracket: Race Face Deus X type
    * Cassette: Shimano XT
    * Chain: Sram
    * Headset: Chris King no threadset
    * Grips: ODI lock on
    * Front Tire: Kenda Kinetics 2.35
    * Front Rim/ Spokes: DT Swiss EX 5.10 DT Swiss super comp spokes
    * Front Hub/Skewer: Hope pro 2 20mm
    * Rear Tire: Kenda Kinetics 2.35
    * Rear Rim: DT Swiss EX 5.10
    * Rear Hub/Skewer: Hope pro 2
    * Cables: Hope and Quality
    * Misc: Hope handlebar plugs
    * Overall Weight: 15,2 Kg
    * Future UGI:
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    Nice setup, guys... bikes look awesome.

    Say, how do you like those Crank Bros. pedals ?
    That's an interesting design for sure...
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    OMG THAT IS MY NEW DREAM BIKE. I just made it my wallpaper NICE JOB.
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    I want it

    [QUOTE=Septentrion]* Riding terrain conditions: * All kind

    * Rider height, weight, ride style e.g XC, endurance,trail, hucker etc* 1m80, 85 Kg, agressive trails, DH.

    * Frame, Size, & Color: 18 black anodized
    * Fork: Fox 36 Van R
    * Shock, i2i, stroke Fox DHX 5.0 titanium 450 coil
    * Brakes: Hope mono M4 180 mm float
    * Cranks: Race face Deus XC with MRP bashguard
    * Shifters: Sram X9
    * Front Derailleur: Sram X9
    * Rear Derailleur: Sram X9
    * Pedals: Crank Brothers 5050 X
    * Stem: Thomson Elite X4 0x50mm
    * Handlebar: FSA FR 270
    * Seatpost: Thomson elite
    * Saddle: SDG bel air RL
    * Bottom Bracket: Race Face Deus X type
    * Cassette: Shimano XT
    * Chain: Sram
    * Headset: Chris King no threadset
    * Grips: ODI lock on
    * Front Tire: Kenda Kinetics 2.35
    * Front Rim/ Spokes: DT Swiss EX 5.10 DT Swiss super comp spokes
    * Front Hub/Skewer: Hope pro 2 20mm
    * Rear Tire: Kenda Kinetics 2.35
    * Rear Rim: DT Swiss EX 5.10
    * Rear Hub/Skewer: Hope pro 2
    * Cables: Hope and Quality
    * Misc: Hope handlebar plugs
    * Overall Weight: 15,2 Kg


    Wow, I like this bike. Makes me want to ditch the Moment and move all the parts to a Rogue. 33.5 lbs ain't bad at all!

    Nice bike

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    I predict that Deus crank set on Septentrion's bike is not going to last long.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Steve from JH
    I predict that Deus crank set on Septentrion's bike is not going to last long.
    Because of the product quality or because of it's intended use?

    I've been running XC cranks for a long time (XT, RF Next LP, FSA carbon). I've subjected them to freeride conditions normally reserved for beefier cranks and I've never bent or broken an arm and the bearings last as long as they should (knock on wood). I've toned down the freeriding this season (crashing hurts), and feel more than comfortable on carbon cranks, even though I'm still riding rough trails and doing some light freeride.

    I think the abuse given to a crank set is largely depended on riding style. If you are riding tech trails/DH and some light freeride, and don't ride like a goon, light cranks (especially with the larger external bearings) do just fine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by UP Dude
    Because of the product quality or because of it's intended use?

    I've been running XC cranks for a long time (XT, RF Next LP, FSA carbon). I've subjected them to freeride conditions normally reserved for beefier cranks and I've never bent or broken an arm and the bearings last as long as they should (knock on wood). I've toned down the freeriding this season (crashing hurts), and feel more than comfortable on carbon cranks, even though I'm still riding rough trails and doing some light freeride.

    I think the abuse given to a crank set is largely depended on riding style. If you are riding tech trails/DH and some light freeride, and don't ride like a goon, light cranks (especially with the larger external bearings) do just fine.
    I destroyed a set of Deus cranks in less than a season on my Id. And I ride like an old crippled geezer--maybe because I am one.

    I'm now on the next beefier Race Face cranks and they're holding up fine. Race Face says the Deus is for XC racing only.

    Are you still planning on coming out to Jackson Hole?
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    Hi,
    I'm back from a week in les 2 Alpes France and so far my Deus is Ok.
    I just destroyed the DT 5.1 rims too light and replaced them by 729 Mavic far better.
    I'll also replace the 36 Van by a RS Totem ASAP in order to raise the BB a bit cause I hurt the ground with pedals too often and I can say know that a 170-180mm fork is much more appropriate to the Rogue as it is mentionned on Ells site. The BB height with a 36 is 335mm wich is definitely too low.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Septentrion
    Hi,
    The BB height with a 36 is 335mm wich is definitely too low.
    What size shock/travel mode are you running? The Ells website is claiming a 13.9" (or 350mm) BB height in 7" mode and a 7" fork, and a 14.75" (375mm) height in 8" mode w/ 8" fork. I thought I remember reading that you are running in 8" mode, so I would expect your BB height to be plenty high, even with the 36.

    I'm curious because I am entertaining the idea of building a Rogue next year with a lightweight build similar to yours to up the ante from my Moment. I was planning on doing it with a Cane Creek Double Barrel since they make a size that can give the 8" mode geometry, but have the 7" of actual travel. I wanted to do that because I want the shorter travel but I don't want the BB to drop too far with the smaller shock. I also have a Fox 36, so I'm interested in your experiences with your set up. Thanks!

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    Hi, I have a DHX 5, 8.75 x 2.80, (the same as LiorDrZ)
    The Van is more a 6.3" (160mm) fork, indeed with a 7" you should reach 350mm in BB height. , maybe LiorDrz could help and give us its BB height with a 66.

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    Someone called me?? very long time since I've been here...
    My BB height with the zucchi 66 is 355mm

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    Quote Originally Posted by LiorDrZ
    Someone called me?? very long time since I've been here...
    My BB height with the zucchi 66 is 355mm
    Wow! I am shocked and amazed at how low the BB's are. I never realized how much of a factor the fork height is in BB height.

    I'm getting pretty stoked on a Rogue frame w/ a Double Barrel (8.75"x2.5") for the ideal geometry and travel. I'll probably just move all of my Moment parts over, and end up with a 33lb build. I rode the Rogue w/ a 36 at interbike last fall, and hoping to again next month. It felt really good then, but I'll have a better comparison after riding my Moment for a season. The test ride will be the ultimate deciding factor.

    Ahhh, these damn machines. How come I just can't be happy with what I have? Always gotta have more

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    Quote Originally Posted by Steve from JH
    Are you still planning on coming out to Jackson Hole?

    I sent you a private message, just in case you've missed it.

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    Damn right, and a 350mm bb height mini will be fine for me (Thanks for info), hell of a cost too for 2 cm... But the Totem will be awesome in galvanized on a black Rogue

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    Quote Originally Posted by Septentrion
    The BB height with a 36 is 335mm wich is definitely too low.
    that's not too low... did you tried the Heckler it's lower then that...

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    Hi

    It's finally arrived and I've spent a few greasy hours building it...

    Riding terrain conditions: *

    * Rider height, weight, ride style e.g XC, endurance,trail, hucker etc*

    * Frame, Size, & Color: Black, Large
    * Fork: Boxxer Team
    * Shock, i2i, stroke DHX-5, 2.75
    * Brakes: Hayes HFX-9 HD
    * Cranks: Raceface evolve DH + DRS
    * Shifters: XT
    * Front Derailleur: XT
    * Rear Derailleur: XT
    * Pedals: 737
    * Stem: Easton vice
    * Handlebar: EA70 - Monkeybar 31.8
    * Seatpost: EA50
    * Saddle: SDG-Ti
    * Bottom Bracket: Shimano (Raceface's x-type lasted 3 months!)
    * Cassette: XT
    * Chain: SRAM
    * Headset: Chris-Bling
    * Grips: Good-n-evil Raceface (big hands!)
    * Front Tire: Currently Nobby-Nic
    * Front Rim/ Spokes: Sun MTX or Sun single-track
    * Front Hub/Skewer: Pro-2 Hope
    * Rear Tire: Currently Nobby Nic
    * Rear Rim: Sun S-type
    * Rear Hub/Skewer: Pro-2 Hope
    * Cables: XT
    * Misc:
    * Overall Weight: 37.5lbs (!)

    photo to follow

    It's going to get muddy tomorrow morning - can't wait...

    Cheers
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    Here it is....

    mmmmm.....
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    Rogue question

    What size is the rear wheel spacing on a Rogue. I think I read somewhere that it was 135mm with a 12 mm thruaxle. Is this correct? Would I be able to use my Mavic Deemax wheels? My Deemax currently has a QR rear, but can be switched for a bold-on rear. Thanks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by yangpei
    What size is the rear wheel spacing on a Rogue. I think I read somewhere that it was 135mm with a 12 mm thruaxle. Is this correct? Would I be able to use my Mavic Deemax wheels? My Deemax currently has a QR rear, but can be switched for a bold-on rear. Thanks.
    That´s right, the 200 mms version uses a 135 x 12 hub,

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    I changed my Moment (after 3 Years) for these one:

    * Riding terrain conditions: * Everything
    * Rider height: 192 cm; weight: 95 Kg; Allmountain, FR (moderatly... )

    * Frame, Size, & Color: Large, Black
    * Fork: Totem 2 step
    * Shock, i2i, stroke: fox dhx5, 222mm, 400lbs
    * Brakes: formula oro 18k, Braking Rotors 200mm
    * Cranks: xtr
    * Shifters: xo trigger
    * Front Derailleur: sram
    * Rear Derailleur: sram xo
    * Pedals: 24 toast
    * Stem: Azonic shorty 65mm
    * Handlebar: easton carbon dh
    * Seatpost: thomson
    * Saddle: selle italia slr carbon
    * Bottom Bracket: xtr
    * Cassette: sram
    * Chain: sram
    * Headset: CK
    * Grips:
    * Front Tire: Schwalbe Big Betty
    * Front Rim/ Spokes:Mavic X717 disc, 32 x 2mm
    * Front Hub/Skewer: Withe Industries
    * Rear Tire: Schwalbe Big Betty
    * Rear Rim: Mavic xm 317
    * Rear Hub/Skewer: Hadley black
    * Cables: XTR
    * Misc:
    * Overall Weight: 16, 4 Kg



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    That is one sweet ride! I dig the decidedly XC saddle in combo with 8" of super buttery plushness...nice.

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    My Rogue

    I just picked up a lightly used 06 Rogue and built it up:

    * Rider height, weight, ride style e.g XC, endurance,trail, hucker etc* - 5'10", 175lbs

    * Frame, Size, & Color: Large black
    * Fork: Marzocchi 66 RC2X
    * Shock, i2i, stroke Fox DHX Coil
    * Brakes: Hayes hydraulic 8in rotors
    * Cranks: Race Face Evolve DH forged
    * Shifters: SRAM X9
    * Front Derailleur: SRAM X-gen
    * Rear Derailleur: SRAM XO
    * Pedals: Shimano
    * Stem: Race Face Diabolus
    * Handlebar: Easton EA 70 DH
    * Seatpost: Thomson Elite
    * Saddle: Terry Fly
    * Bottom Bracket: Race Face FR/DH
    * Cassette: SRAM
    * Chain: SRAM
    * Headset: Chris King
    * Grips: ODI Ruffian
    * Front Tire: Maxxis Minion DHF
    * Front Rim/ Spokes: Azonic Outlaw (but Hadley / Mavic 823 custom set on the way)
    * Front Hub/Skewer:
    * Rear Tire: Maxxis Minion DHR
    * Rear Rim: Azonic Outlaw (Hadley / Mavic 823 on order)
    * Rear Hub/Skewer:
    * Cables:
    * Misc:
    * Overall Weight:
    * Pics to follow
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    Rogue pics

    Got the Rogue built up. The Hadley / Mavic 823 wheels should be here is a week or so. Can't wait to try it out.
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    Very very nice with the Marzocchi!!!
    Be happy!!!

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    New wheels

    I got my new wheelset for the Rogue to replace the Azonic Outlaws. The new wheels are Hadley 36 hole hubs laced to Mavic 823 rims with straight gauge spokes. They are beefy. I think they actually weigh more than the Azonics. The bike is 38.5 lbs currently with single ply 2.3 Minion DHF/DHR tires. If I go to 2.5 DH tires, it'll probably be pushing 40 lbs. I'll try to get some new pics with the wheels mounted.
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    Update : Rock Shock Totem and Hope Moto 6 :


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    Quick question

    I got my rogue last year. Building it up again with a lighter build this year (post soon to follow).
    The 12mm axle that came with the bike is quite heavy. Do any of you know of a lighter axle that can be used. When I first saw the bolt I was quite disappointed, it definately doesn't follow the quality of the rest bike.

    Alex

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    Quote Originally Posted by AlexDH
    Quick question

    I got my rogue last year. Building it up again with a lighter build this year (post soon to follow).
    The 12mm axle that came with the bike is quite heavy. Do any of you know of a lighter axle that can be used. When I first saw the bolt I was quite disappointed, it definately doesn't follow the quality of the rest bike.

    Alex
    what about a titanium axle?
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    2 Questions...

    I don't own a Rogue but would like to have any of you who own one that has a F-derailleur and also a Marzocchi 66 answer a couple of questions.

    1- What kind of front derailleur are you using on your Rogue and have you noticed any contact interference between said derailleur and the chainstay when going through all the rear wheel travel ?

    2- Have you tried to do a X-up or a bar spin on your Rogue and found that the 66 hits the downtube and prevents you from fully turning the bar ?

    thx in advance...
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    No problems for me

    1. I'm running a SRAM X-GEN front derailleur on my Rogue. I haven't noticed any issues with the chainstay and derailleur, but I will check for it next time I ride.

    2. My 66 RC2X doesn't hit against the downtube (even though I don't do X-ups and bar spins).
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    Quick questions...I'm trying to decide if I need this bike.

    Does the 8" setting with a fork like a 66 (555mm A-C length) or a Totem really have a 14" (355mm) BB? Ellsworth says it's 14.75" with a Fox 40 (570mm). I climb large rock ledges all day long to get to a descent.

    Also, what size tires can you really fit in the frame?

    Thanks in advance

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    I just checked : with a Totem and 8" my BB height is 350 mm.

    I'm running 2.35 Kenda Nevegal but you can easily fit the 2.5.

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    Thanks,

    Ellsworth has always built fairly high BB bikes. My ID is 395mm, 15.5". I'm surprised to hear they are trending the other way with the Rogue. Also, I'm a little surprised to hear you're still running 2.35" tires on an 8" travel bike. Myself and friends all run 2.5-2.7 tires on bikes like this.

    I think my bike decision will need to wait more.

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    Hi,
    I'm running 2.35 because I live in the North of france, and we need traction to join our FR/DH spots here. Unfortunatly I'm only 2 weeks a year in the Alps !
    Anyway my next ones will be the 2.50 Nevegal.

    The low BB on the Rogue bring an amazing stability to the bike.

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    Will check

    My Rogue is in the bike shop currently getting some brake work done. But, I should have it back today or tomorrow. I'll check the BB height. I'm running 2.35 tires now, but I'm pretty sure you can go plenty big, if you want. The bike is awesome.
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    I checked on my Rogue. The bottom bracket is about 14 3/8". I'm currently running 2.35 tires, but there looks like there is plenty of room to run at least 2.6 or 2.7 rubber. Maybe even 3.0. I hope that helps.
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    New wheels / brakes for Rogue

    I finally got some pics with the new wheels. I also added Hope M4 brakes.
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    Thanks for the detailed info. Looks like the new 66 raises things a bit. I like that. The bike looks awesome. I love my Hadley hubs, but red sure looks good. 38.5 lbs isn't bad, but I'd like to build it to about 35 for more trail riding. I wonder what it would take while keeping the BB about the same.

    Looks like I'll have a little more time to think on this. I need to sell my motorcycle first.

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    Hi Yangpei,

    Nice ride!

    I'm after a Rogue at the moment for when I go out for some more aggressive riding than my 5-Spot can handle and for use in the French Alp's once a year for technical single track and the odd DH course. I'm over in the UK so a light, fairly compact rig is what I'm after - we don't have the pleasure of uplifts so any ride has to pedal well on the up's :-(

    I'm STILL trying to decide which size of frame to buy. I'm 6ft tall and weigh 180lb's but like a bike to feel a little 'upright' rather than stretched out and also like a bike to be as 'agile' as possible. I currently ride a medium sized SC Bullit for aggressive trails but this is just a tad too short in the top tube (22.5") and the BB height feels a little tall also. I like low BB's to rip the turns and feel stable on the trials.

    I'm leaning towards the small size Rogue as the numbers from Ellsworth seem to fit what I'm after but every time I look at these forum's guy's around my height are running the large sized frames? They just look waaaaaay to long in the top tube and wheel base to me, for a 'quick handling' bike that can be thrown around, jumped etc. I'm sure they are super stable on fast downhills. What is your experience after riding the Rogue for a while?

    Could you please measure your wheel base with the Marzocchi's fitted? and perhaps a measurement from the centre of the steerer tube, horizontally back to inline with the seat tube centre?

    The nearest store which stocks Ellsworth frames is a long distance from me so a test ride is not an option unfortunately.

    Many thanks,

    M.

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    Hello,
    I also prefer to be a little more upright in the saddle, rather than stretched out. I'm 5'10" and I definitely do not feel stretched on the Rogue. If anything, it feels pretty upright. But, I am running a shortish (70mm) Diabolus stem and Thomson straight seatpost. From the top of the headtube / headset interface measuring horizontally to the seatpost center was 24" even (I think the Ells site says 24.5). The wheelbase with the 66 RC2X is a tad over 47" (maybe 47 1/8 in).
    I love the way the bike feels. It can definitely be built up lighter, and you should be able to build a 35-36lb long travel bike. My brother (same height) has a small Rogue running at 7 in travel with a 66 on front. Another friend (approx 6ft tall) also runs a small Rogue, which he enjoys throwing around. I guess the bottom line is the type of riding you do. If you have tight single track like you mentioned, you may be more comfortable with the small size's shorter wheelbase. But, I don't think you will feel strecthed out on either. If you get the small, you may even want a lay-back post or post with some set-back.
    I hope that helps.
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    Thanks buddy.
    I reckon the small Ellsworth will be more suited to my needs. My large 5-spot is great for aggressive CC riding and that has an effective top tube length of approx. 24 " with a 70mm stem so the small Rogue sounds like a 'tighter' rig for throwing around ;-)

    M.

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    Red Doo Dads

    Black on black was getting dreary, so I added some red accents - in addition to the previous red Hadley hubs. I got red brake covers from Hope, a red King headset with King spacers, and ODI red lock-on grip ends.
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    Quote Originally Posted by yangpei
    Black on black was getting dreary, so I added some red accents - in addition to the previous red Hadley hubs. I got red brake covers from Hope, a red King headset with King spacers, and ODI red lock-on grip ends.
    You might be better off taking the King back and getting a red Hope headset instead. The Kings have a tendancy to creak and pop under the strain of long travel forks. Mine has destroyed two star nuts and one Head Doctor (it's working on it's third star nut ). A lot of folks with long travel forks like Lyriks, 66s and 36s have had to change. Since yours in new, you might be able to trade. It has to do with the spacer on the top set of bearings not fitting tight enough to withstand the forces of a long lever arm.

    If Hope made a pink headset, I'd be all over it...

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    You realize that Hope headsets are NOT for sale in the US or Canada as they violate patent laws in the Americas. Hope explicitly states they are not for sale outside the UK. I know you can get them if you try, but no Hope dealer can or will give you parts. Unless they want a huge lawsuit.

    I have never had a problem with Raceface, other than replacing the bearings, and the Chris King I have now is awesome. I will never get another. I do have Hope M6 brakes, have used their hubs many times and feel they are the best for the money, but on the headsets you are asking for a headache.

    Their ring doctors are nice, but if you can show me a headset I would love to see it given it is illegal here.

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    I changed my King for an Acros deep cup :

    http://www.acros.de/acros/02_product...d/13_AH-07.php

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    Quote Originally Posted by blackfly
    You realize that Hope headsets are NOT for sale in the US or Canada as they violate patent laws in the Americas. Hope explicitly states they are not for sale outside the UK. I know you can get them if you try, but no Hope dealer can or will give you parts. Unless they want a huge lawsuit.

    I have never had a problem with Raceface, other than replacing the bearings, and the Chris King I have now is awesome. I will never get another. I do have Hope M6 brakes, have used their hubs many times and feel they are the best for the money, but on the headsets you are asking for a headache.

    Their ring doctors are nice, but if you can show me a headset I would love to see it given it is illegal here.
    Not true...this issue has been resolved. My LBS has them in stock. I'm not sure about Canada however; they may not be avail. there.

    Contact Larry at http://mtnhighcyclery.com if you're intrested in one.. They look really sweet and they come with a Head Doctor supplied to replace the starnut.

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    Here is my pink Rogue...

    Light setup…
    * Rider height, weight, ride style: XC, endurance,trail, freeride - 5'7", 160lbs
    * Frame, Size, & Color: Small (Short) Think Pink
    * Fork: Magura Wotan, 120-160mm
    * Shock, i2i, stroke: Magura Hugin, 8,75 X 2,5
    * Brakes: Magura Louise BAT, 200/180mm
    * Cranks: Race Face Diabolus, 22-32-Bash
    * Shifters: Shimano LX
    * Front Derailleur: Shimano XTR
    * Rear Derailleur: Shimano XTR Short cage
    * Pedals: Shimano 646
    * Stem: Race Face Diabolus 70mm X 10°
    * Handlebar: Race Face Diabolus
    * Seatpost: Thomson Elite 410mm
    * Saddle: SDG Bel-air Ti
    * Bottom Bracket: Race Face FR/DH
    * Cassette: SRAM PG-950
    * Chain: SRAM PG-990 Hollow pin
    * Headset: Chris King
    * Grips: Race Face ODI
    * Front Tire: Continental Vertical UST 2.3
    * Front Rim/ Spokes: Mavic XC 717 Disc/DT swiss Competition/alloy nipples
    * Front Hub/Skewer: Hpoe PRO II/Maxle QR
    * Rear Tire: Continental Vertical UST 2.3
    * Rear Rim: Mavic XC 717 Disc/DT swiss Competition/alloy nipples
    * Rear Hub/Skewer: Chris King ISO/SRAM QR
    * Cables: Jagwire RIPCORD
    * Misc: Rollamagig for sleek shifting
    * Overall Weight: +/- 32lbs


    Dh setup…
    * Rider height, weight, ride: Anything that goes down… 5'7", 160lbs
    * Frame, Size, & Color: Small (Short) Think Pink
    * Fork: Manitou X-Vert Carbon, 180mm
    * Shock, i2i, stroke: Fox DHX 5.0, 8,75 X 2,75
    * Brakes: Magura Louise BAT, 200/180mm Ventidisc
    * Cranks: Race Face Diabolus, 22-32-Bash
    * Shifters: Shimano LX
    * Front Derailleur: Shimano XTR
    * Rear Derailleur: Shimano XTR Short cage
    * Pedals: Shimano 646
    * Stem: Race Face Diabolus 50mm X 10°
    * Handlebar: Race Face Diabolus
    * Seatpost: Thomson Elite 410mm
    * Saddle: SDG Bel-air Ti
    * Bottom Bracket: Race Face FR/DH
    * Cassette: SRAM PG-950
    * Chain: SRAM PG-990 Hollow pin
    * Headset: Chris King
    * Grips: Race Face ODI
    * Front Tire: Michelin Comp 16, 2.5”
    * Front Rim/ Spokes: Mavic EX 823 Disc/DT swiss Champion/brass nipples
    * Front Hub/Skewer: Chris King ISO 20mm
    * Rear Tire: Michelin Comp 16, 2.5”
    * Rear Rim: Mavic EX 823 Disc/DT swiss Champion/brass nipples
    * Rear Hub/Skewer: Chris King ISO/SRAM QR
    * Cables: Jagwire RIPCORD
    * Misc: Rollamagig for sleek shifting
    * Overall Weight: +/- 37-38lbs

    Pics.: In an in-between state...
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    http://www.pinkbike.com/photo/1828472/
    Frankenbike version of Rogue ,not ready so no details except those seen on photo.
    weight:14,7 kg

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