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    Nice air shock!

    Quote Originally Posted by raceimp View Post
    Light setup…
    * Rider height, weight, ride style: XC, endurance,trail, freeride - 5'7", 160lbs
    * Frame, Size, & Color: Small (Short) Think Pink
    * Fork: Magura Wotan, 120-160mm
    * Shock, i2i, stroke: Magura Hugin, 8,75 X 2,5
    * Brakes: Magura Louise BAT, 200/180mm
    * Cranks: Race Face Diabolus, 22-32-Bash
    * Shifters: Shimano LX
    * Front Derailleur: Shimano XTR
    * Rear Derailleur: Shimano XTR Short cage
    * Pedals: Shimano 646
    * Stem: Race Face Diabolus 70mm X 10°
    * Handlebar: Race Face Diabolus
    * Seatpost: Thomson Elite 410mm
    * Saddle: SDG Bel-air Ti
    * Bottom Bracket: Race Face FR/DH
    * Cassette: SRAM PG-950
    * Chain: SRAM PG-990 Hollow pin
    * Headset: Chris King
    * Grips: Race Face ODI
    * Front Tire: Continental Vertical UST 2.3
    * Front Rim/ Spokes: Mavic XC 717 Disc/DT swiss Competition/alloy nipples
    * Front Hub/Skewer: Hpoe PRO II/Maxle QR
    * Rear Tire: Continental Vertical UST 2.3
    * Rear Rim: Mavic XC 717 Disc/DT swiss Competition/alloy nipples
    * Rear Hub/Skewer: Chris King ISO/SRAM QR
    * Cables: Jagwire RIPCORD
    * Misc: Rollamagig for sleek shifting
    * Overall Weight: +/- 32lbs


    Dh setup…
    * Rider height, weight, ride: Anything that goes down… 5'7", 160lbs
    * Frame, Size, & Color: Small (Short) Think Pink
    * Fork: Manitou X-Vert Carbon, 180mm
    * Shock, i2i, stroke: Fox DHX 5.0, 8,75 X 2,75
    * Brakes: Magura Louise BAT, 200/180mm Ventidisc
    * Cranks: Race Face Diabolus, 22-32-Bash
    * Shifters: Shimano LX
    * Front Derailleur: Shimano XTR
    * Rear Derailleur: Shimano XTR Short cage
    * Pedals: Shimano 646
    * Stem: Race Face Diabolus 50mm X 10°
    * Handlebar: Race Face Diabolus
    * Seatpost: Thomson Elite 410mm
    * Saddle: SDG Bel-air Ti
    * Bottom Bracket: Race Face FR/DH
    * Cassette: SRAM PG-950
    * Chain: SRAM PG-990 Hollow pin
    * Headset: Chris King
    * Grips: Race Face ODI
    * Front Tire: Michelin Comp 16, 2.5”
    * Front Rim/ Spokes: Mavic EX 823 Disc/DT swiss Champion/brass nipples
    * Front Hub/Skewer: Chris King ISO 20mm
    * Rear Tire: Michelin Comp 16, 2.5”
    * Rear Rim: Mavic EX 823 Disc/DT swiss Champion/brass nipples
    * Rear Hub/Skewer: Chris King ISO/SRAM QR
    * Cables: Jagwire RIPCORD
    * Misc: Rollamagig for sleek shifting
    * Overall Weight: +/- 37-38lbs

    Pics.: In an in-between state...
    Hey Raceimp!
    How do you like the air shock in the rear? Is it as plush as coil or is there a noticeable difference in feel?
    Our life is a journey. let it be epic.

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    I like it a lot... Because i've bought it for the price of a piece of bread! The air shock feels as soft as a coil shock but I have a shorter stroke, so I'm not having as much travel. I also have a low speed and high speed adjustments, so I can fine tune it everywhere I love. The only downside is having spare parts for the eyelets... But for a hundred bucks, I can't complain. It completely teases the magura fan inside of me.
    Ellsworth Moment / Ellsworth Rogue / Rocky Mountain Vertex / KHS SS

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    Rider weight and coil rate?

    Quote Originally Posted by lankymanc View Post
    mmmmm.....
    Hey there Lankymanc.
    I saw your review and that you've changed to the lower travel setup. Could you tell me your insight on sag settings? I'm 215lbs and have the 400lbs spring for the 8in and 7in shock. I'm thinking it's ok for aggressive riding... However, I wonder if it puts me too low in the sag where it's not as smooth on square edge hits. Seems that you have lots of years of experience... Talked to a guy at ellsworth and he was no help.

    Cheers!
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    Quote Originally Posted by epicjurneez View Post
    Hey there Lankymanc.
    I saw your review and that you've changed to the lower travel setup. Could you tell me your insight on sag settings? I'm 215lbs and have the 400lbs spring for the 8in and 7in shock. I'm thinking it's ok for aggressive riding... However, I wonder if it puts me too low in the sag where it's not as smooth on square edge hits. Seems that you have lots of years of experience... Talked to a guy at ellsworth and he was no help.

    Cheers!
    I am also 215lbs in my ride kit. I was running 600lbs on a 2.5 in and 550 lbs on a 2,75 in but I recently upped to a 650lbs for the 2.5in. I just wanted a firmer spring to push against and to keep the ride height taller having installed offset bushings . In terms of sag its still around 30%

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    Hi
    Here's my set-up:
    Large Rogue frame - Rider Height 6'4", weight (kitted) 14.5st
    Rear shock - 8.5" eye-to-eye, 2.5" stroke 500lbs spring PUSH-tuned DHX5 (7.1" travel)
    This lowers the bottom bracket and knocks about a degree off the head angle
    Works-Components headset takes another degree off the head angle.
    Headangle now ~65 degrees
    Boxxer R2C2 with heavy spring fitted - TF-Tuned
    HiLo dropper post fitted
    Hope V2 evos F+R
    2 x 9 with XTR shifters/ Saint rear mech, XTR front, Raceface Atlas FR cranks, Blackspire bash/ chain device
    Loaded direct stem and bars
    EQ-31 rims and Hope hubs for general riding, MTX rims for DH/ shuttle duties.
    Dual-ply Maxxis minion rear (2.5) and Wet Scream Front (2.5) for normal riding - I live in probably the muddiest part of the UK(!)
    Weight is dead-on 40lbs as set-up.

    The head angle adjustments have made a huge difference and "modernised" the handling. lowering the back end similarly, not noticed the rear travel being shorter. The PUSH tuning transforms the rear action. Back to Morzine later this year on it.

    Hope this helps!
    Cheers
    Adey

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    Frame rogue large
    Shock fox dhx5 2.5 stroke 650lb spring.
    Burgtech offset bushings (1 degree slack)
    Head set offanaim Angleset (1 degree slack)
    Fork totem coil red spring
    Wheels magic sx
    Tyres maxxis minion 2.5 front and rear
    Seat post rase black mamba 9 inch drop
    Rear mech xtr
    Chain device e13lg1+
    Chain SRAM
    Chain set shimano xt with single 36 renthal ring
    Shifter xtr
    Brakes hope tech v2 vented rotors
    Bar renthal fat bar
    Stem Thomson elite
    Grips odi ruffian
    Pedals DDR vault
    Saddle wtb rocket v

    The angle adjustments in theory add up to 3 degree slacker
    But my phone app measures the head angle as 65.2 degrees
    Weight about 40lb ! But climbs surprisingly well considering.!

    My weight about 215lb height 6 foot

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    Good job! whoa, sounds like I'm way off!

    Quote Originally Posted by Nsynk View Post
    I am also 215lbs in my ride kit. I was running 600lbs on a 2.5 in and 550 lbs on a 2,75 in but I recently upped to a 650lbs for the 2.5in. I just wanted a firmer spring to push against and to keep the ride height taller having installed offset bushings . In terms of sag its still around 30%
    Hey Nsync.
    Thanks for your input. Have you run a lighter coil (like 400# per se @ 2.75), and noticed a rougher ride at the rear end? I would never imagine running such a high rate coil at 650#!

    Then my 400# coil must leave me at 50~60% sag!!!

    650#! Is it still plush at that rate?

    What spring rate would you recommend for me if plushness is the top priority? I know the ICT will always give efficient pedaling.

    Thanks again for your input.
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    How plush is this bike's rear against...

    Quote Originally Posted by lankymanc View Post
    Hi
    Here's my set-up:
    Large Rogue frame - Rider Height 6'4", weight (kitted) 14.5st
    Rear shock - 8.5" eye-to-eye, 2.5" stroke 500lbs spring PUSH-tuned DHX5 (7.1" travel)
    This lowers the bottom bracket and knocks about a degree off the head angle
    Works-Components headset takes another degree off the head angle.
    Headangle now ~65 degrees
    Boxxer R2C2 with heavy spring fitted - TF-Tuned
    HiLo dropper post fitted
    Hope V2 evos F+R
    2 x 9 with XTR shifters/ Saint rear mech, XTR front, Raceface Atlas FR cranks, Blackspire bash/ chain device
    Loaded direct stem and bars
    EQ-31 rims and Hope hubs for general riding, MTX rims for DH/ shuttle duties.
    Dual-ply Maxxis minion rear (2.5) and Wet Scream Front (2.5) for normal riding - I live in probably the muddiest part of the UK(!)
    Weight is dead-on 40lbs as set-up.

    The head angle adjustments have made a huge difference and "modernised" the handling. lowering the back end similarly, not noticed the rear travel being shorter. The PUSH tuning transforms the rear action. Back to Morzine later this year on it.

    Hope this helps!
    Cheers
    Adey
    Thanks for the comprehensive info!

    You said you've ridden "Kona Coiler dee-lux, VP-Free, Intense-Uzzi + 6.6, SC-Nomad, Yeti-ASX..."

    How plush do you rate the Rogue in comparison to the plushest of what you've ridden before? With my current rear setup with a 400# coil, I'm not 100% pleased with its "plushness."
    Thanks again for you experience!
    You and Nsync have been far more helpful than talking the people at Ellsworth.
    Our life is a journey. let it be epic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by epicjurneez View Post
    Hey Nsync.
    Thanks for your input. Have you run a lighter coil (like 400# per se @ 2.75), and noticed a rougher ride at the rear end? I would never imagine running such a high rate coil at 650#!

    Then my 400# coil must leave me at 50~60% sag!!!

    650#! Is it still plush at that rate?

    What spring rate would you recommend for me if plushness is the top priority? I know the ICT will always give efficient pedaling.

    Thanks again for your input.
    I used the spring calculators on tf tuned shox and mojo websites
    To calculate the right spring weight . That came out about about 500lbs for the 2.75
    575 lbs for the 2.5 in.
    So initially I ran a 500 on the 2.75 in and found it had about 50% sag. It was lovely and plush but wallowed too much and was not firm enough for sprinting unless you upped the
    Pro pedal a lot. I would rather run on the spring than the air assist !
    When I swapped to the 2.5 in I put a 600 lbs in which was fine until I fitted the offset
    Bushings and then it too ran through its travel to quick
    Presumably because more weight was focused rear. So I have a 650lbs now.
    Last edited by Nsynk; 01-06-2013 at 03:39 PM.

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    Plushness

    Quote Originally Posted by Nsynk View Post
    I used the spring calculators on tf tuned shox and mojo websites
    To calculate the right spring weight . That came out about about 500lbs for the 2.75
    575 lbs for the 2.5 in.
    So initially I ran a 500 on the 2.75 in and found it had about 50% sag. It was lovely and plush but wallowed too much and was not firm enough for sprinting unless you upped the
    Pro pedal a lot. I would rather run on the spring than the air assist !
    When I swapped to the 2.5 in I put a 600 lbs in which was fine until I fitted the offset
    Bushings and then it too ran through its travel to quick
    Presumably because more weight was focused rear. So I have a 650lbs now.
    I Checked out the tftuned calculator. Pretty handy. I heŕrd that the rogue in "8"inch mode is more like a 8.5inch. I read it in one of the rogue posts here. Not sure if it's true and not sure if it makes a diff.
    What are your comparative thoughts on the rogue's plushness and rock garden plough-ability? Rogue v other dh bikes you've ridden?
    I'm not sure about what's plush anymore - I've ridden a kona stinky w/ 7in rear at whistler and my memory ( not sure if skewed) tells me that it was smoother that the rogue.
    Same with my with my Spec Bighit. It also seem smoother than...

    I'm curious to how the rogue's plushness compares to a knolly deleriumT or chilcotin.
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    Run the rear with 40% sag, keep the rebound damping quite low/ fast (PUSH tuning helps here as it keeps the small stuff nice and quick with the big hits/ deeper stroke slower so they don't punt you OTB), have a maximum of 1/2 turn of bottom-out and no pro-pedal. It will plough rock gardens at speed no problem. If you have a DHX-RC4, lose the compression damping.
    NSynk: with the offset bushes, is there any danger of pranging the shock on the down-tube?
    Cheers
    Adey

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    Quote Originally Posted by epicjurneez View Post
    I Checked out the tftuned calculator. Pretty handy. I heŕrd that the rogue in "8"inch mode is more like a 8.5inch. I read it in one of the rogue posts here. Not sure if it's true and not sure if it makes a diff.
    What are your comparative thoughts on the rogue's plushness and rock garden plough-ability? Rogue v other dh bikes you've ridden?
    I'm not sure about what's plush anymore - I've ridden a kona stinky w/ 7in rear at whistler and my memory ( not sure if skewed) tells me that it was smoother that the rogue.
    Same with my with my Spec Bighit. It also seem smoother than...

    I'm curious to how the rogue's plushness compares to a knolly deleriumT or chilcotin.
    Previously to Ellsworth I owned an orange 223 . It was nowhere near as plush but actually felt faster. The downside was when it was really rough. The single pivot had a lot of pedal feedback .the Horst link is definitely plusher.
    Oh and your right about the advertised travel being less than reality. You can work it out by ratios. Stroke length to travel. If the 2.125 in stroke is 6inch travel then the 2.5 is not 7 inch and the 2.75 is not 8 inches. In reality it's nearer 6.5 , 7.5 and 8.5 inches.

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