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    Lightest in the World @ 6lbs. 8 oz.?!!!

    Well, my Ellsworth Epiphany showed up today. I know Ellsworth claims that it's the lightest 5" travel bike in the world. Well, mine comes in at 6lbs. 8 oz. Somehow, I doubt it's the lightest in the world.

    I have seen several posts here with Large frames coming in at 5 1/2 lbs. How can it be so.

    On another note, mine seems to have the aluminum rocker arms. Is that where the weight is coming from? How much does the aluminum add over the magnesium arms?

    When I contacted Ellsworth about this, they claim they no longer offer magnesium arms. They said that once they started manufacturing in Washington they started manufacturing their own arms from stronger and lighter aluminum and a secret material mixed. WOW! pffff!!! I was under the impression that the magnesium rocker arms was a big part of the high price tag on the Epiphany. Is anyone else's '08 Epiphany equipped with the aluminum rockers?

    When I asked where the magnesium arms came from the response was Europe. I'm not sure who I was talking to but I wonder if that was code for China????


    Hmm, anyway, I can't decide to be happy or pissed about the new purchase. Any advise?

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    My 08 Yeti 575 is 6.5 lbs. Maybe Ellsworth should edit their site? They should have cut the price a little if they're using aluminum now. I was going to buy an Epiphany but could muster the courage to spend that kind of coin.
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    I got a pretty god deal on mine but you still want to get what you think you're getting no matter what you pay....

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    Quote Originally Posted by kbell
    I got a pretty god deal on mine but you still want to get what you think you're getting no matter what you pay....
    Yeah no doubt. Seems like Ellsworth is always pulling shenanigans.
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    round and round we go....

    Welcome to the Ellsworth club kbell.

    If you bought the bike bases on the BS, then you should be mad. If you bought it cuz you liked the ride and other reasons, be happy and just ride it..

    ....and remember it next time you buy a bike.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lidarman
    round and round we go....

    Welcome to the Ellsworth club kbell.

    If you bought the bike bases on the BS, then you should be mad. If you bought it cuz you liked the ride and other reasons, be happy and just ride it..

    ....and remember it next time you buy a bike.
    I'll probably build it and see how it rides. I've considered sending it back. I really don't mind that it weighs 6.5 lbs. so much. I just don't like when a company claims something that isn't true. I've had Ellsworths in the past, I had a pretty good idea of what to expect. I hope the Epiphany rides as well as I think it will. I know Ellsworths pedal well even if they don't live up to other claims. They have always eaten up the terrain as well. 5" of XC type travel should be right up my alley. We'll see.....

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    I dig my Epiphany........ but if you want wicked light and 5" go with the IBIS mojo SL.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kbell
    Well, my Ellsworth Epiphany showed up today. I know Ellsworth claims that it's the lightest 5" travel bike in the world. Well, mine comes in at 6lbs. 8 oz. Somehow, I doubt it's the lightest in the world.

    I have seen several posts here with Large frames coming in at 5 1/2 lbs. How can it be so.

    On another note, mine seems to have the aluminum rocker arms. Is that where the weight is coming from? How much does the aluminum add over the magnesium arms?

    When I contacted Ellsworth about this, they claim they no longer offer magnesium arms. They said that once they started manufacturing in Washington they started manufacturing their own arms from stronger and lighter aluminum and a secret material mixed. WOW! pffff!!! I was under the impression that the magnesium rocker arms was a big part of the high price tag on the Epiphany. Is anyone else's '08 Epiphany equipped with the aluminum rockers?

    When I asked where the magnesium arms came from the response was Europe. I'm not sure who I was talking to but I wonder if that was code for China????


    Hmm, anyway, I can't decide to be happy or pissed about the new purchase. Any advise?

    IMO, if the EPI is no longer equipped with Magnesium Rockers, their price should be lower than their price before when they are still equipped with Mag Rockers.
    I belive that the price of the EPI was a bit high compared to the Moment because of its Magnesium Rocker. Now, since its all aluminum maybe they should give a serious thought on their pricing.

    Sometimes consumer also buys stuff because of how they are advertised and marketed.
    WE as a consumer should always know what are we getting from each product. Revisions & Improvements should be disclosed so not to create doubt on the purchased product.

    Just my own thoughts on this matter.

    Thanks!

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    Kbell- Just Build That Ride And Enjoy Every Moment You're On It. I Believe You Know You Made The Correct Choice In Staying With An Ellsworth. So What If It's A Few Grams More Than What You Thought It Should Be And That The Rocker Are Now Aluminum That Won't Change That Ride You've Come To Love With An Ellsworth.
    I've Upgraded From My Truth To An Epi And I Can't Begin To Tell You How Much I Love It. My Complete Build Puts The Ride At 26 Lbs With The Use Of All The Good Stuff. Besides You Should See All The Attention My Bros And I Get At All Of The Trailheads. Since I Could Never Afford To Buy A Ferrari Of Even A Ducatti This Would Be Its Equal In Cycling.

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    The moment is only $100 less, but wieghs 1 1/2+ #'s more. (coil equiped of course) So if there were to be a price reduction it likely won't be much.

    Also be glad you have the upgraded rockers. The mag. rockers crack. Thats why the upgrade is aluminum. You can always save weight elsewhere. Lighter wheels, cranks, seatpost, stem, bars, tires, saddle, the list goes on.

    Also I haven't seen any NEW ads stating that the EPI is the lightest. Just older articles.

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    Hello
    I receve 2 epiphany last week from ellsworth
    and I have the magnesium rocket

    i will check it with them today
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    I dont recall the Epi being promoted as the lightest 5 inch bike . If ever they moved to aluminum rockers from magnesium , it is probably an improvement since they learned a lesson from the magnesium rockers cracking , I think even some of the serial numbered ones are now starting to crack.

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    Hmmm took a peek in the Ells website , it is supposed to be the lightest 5.25 inch bike in the world . That may be a gray area, how many bikes are exactly 5.25 inchers ?

    A intense 5.5 FRO , or a Motolite Exogrid , or a Litespeed Niota would probably be lighter than a 6lb , 8oz Epi , but spec wise they are probably not 5.25 inch bikes ( a bit more or a bit less travel ).

    Oh well , I do hope that your Epi rides great and that the rockers dont crack.

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    Yeah, the beefier rocker are probably a blessing in disguise. It may make it more stable/less flexy as well. I have a fairly decent spec for my build. A pretty light wheel set came with the deal so that's a good start. I know Gary Fisher claims to have the lightest 5" trail bike available too. That whacko claimed he invented Mt. Bikes too though. Hell, I thought I did. He probably rides bikes and surfs the web with Al Gore.

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    Yangpei or BOSS ,

    Are the rockers of the Epi and the Moment the same length/ dimension ? only different in material ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by localboyvv
    Kbell- Just Build That Ride And Enjoy Every Moment You're On It. I Believe You Know You Made The Correct Choice In Staying With An Ellsworth. So What If It's A Few Grams More Than What You Thought It Should Be And That The Rocker Are Now ....
    Hey, what's with the crazy caps?

    Anyway- does Ells use the "weight of frame doesn't include the shock" line that some of the other manufacturers do?
    Since when did the phrase "invest in" come to mean the same as "buy"?

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    Yeah, my Ventana Terremoto came in at 6.66 lbs (sans shock)

    Good luck with that.
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    That is weird...my moment with DHXair was just right at 6.0....!!!!???
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    Quote Originally Posted by On-One
    That is weird...my moment with DHXair was just right at 6.0....!!!!???
    Sorry to call BS on this but the Medium that "THE PATH" bike shop weighed a while back came in @ 7.71#s ( DHX-air) . DO you have a custon XXXXSmall? Are you sure its not an EPI? I NEED proof!

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    I got it broken down right now to sell the frame...so I will try to run by the shop and weigh it. They have one of those ultimate hook scales. I have known to exagerate...but we shall see!

    Mine is an 07 size SM or MD, can't remember which.
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    yes it's the same, just the material change
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    kbell,
    I depends on how important that pound is to you. If you're doing a big steel railed comfy seat, generic post/stem, bombproof/heavy wheels, a SRAM cassette, Shimano pedal ...anyway you get the picture... build, then what is a pound? If you are a WW then that pound will haunt you as you're counting grams. Been there done that as they used to say back in the day.

    With that said I own an Evolve and there may be lighter 29er frames out there but I ain't trading.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kbell
    On another note, mine seems to have the aluminum rocker arms. Is that where the weight is coming from? How much does the aluminum add over the magnesium arms?
    I believe the weight difference between the rockers is ~150grams. Ellsworth also weighs the frames without shock and maybe even without the bearings. "Frame only" weight as they say.
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    A pound isn't that big of a deal to me. It just when you think you're getting vanilla and lick chocolat it throws you off a little. I guess you have to watch the fine print with some folks.

    I plan to build;

    Frame - Large Nebulad Blue w/Fox R
    Fork - Fox 120 RLC
    HS - King
    Wheels - Crosmax ST
    Tires - Kenda Karma DTC (Stan's Juice)
    FD - XTR (960)
    RD - XO
    Shift - XO
    Cass - 990
    Chain - 990
    Post - Thomson
    Stem - Thomson X4
    Bars - Undecided
    Grips - ODI North Shore
    Seat - WTB Ti Team
    Cranks - XT
    Pedals - Egg Beater SL
    Brakes Juicey 7 (185/160)


    Fairly light build but not over the top. I've experiemented with uberlight weight builds but sometime they just don't ride as well and aren't as much fun. I like to add weight where I think there will be a significant performance increase. I like stiff whereever I can get it and light where ever I can afford it.

    Hopfully this won't come in too much over 26lbs.

    Any thoughts?

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    Quote Originally Posted by road dirt
    I dig my Epiphany........ but if you want wicked light and 5" go with the IBIS mojo SL.
    Funny you say that road dirt. I too love my Epiphany but I ride my Mojo almost all the time. The Epiphany is starting to take a back seat to the Ibis
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    Quote Originally Posted by pachaven
    Funny you say that road dirt. I too love my Epiphany but I ride my Mojo almost all the time. The Epiphany is starting to take a back seat to the Ibis
    Did you just say the Mojo is more efficient/better than the Epi?

    Kidding aside, perhaps you can start a thread comparing the two. That would be good info.
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    Epi Weight

    I believe my 07 Epi Large was 5.8 or thereabouts. Fox Float RP23. I love mine!

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    The serial number on my "smoke" Epi is 08. It weighs 5.85 lbs with Fox RP23 shock on my Ultimate digital scale. Mine has the magnesium rocker arms. This includes the seat collar.

    They should lower prices if the magnesium rockers are not included. Those things are beautiful.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BOSS
    yes it's the same, just the material change
    If the new Epis are now in Alluminum , without shocks mounted they ought to be close to the weight of a Moment frame ( assuming Epi is lighter by some butted tubing, whereas Moment is straight tubed/beefier ?am guessing ) With the weight advantage over the next heavier/ longer travel model diminished , would it make sense to have two very similar weighted bikes ? I would understand the rationale of getting an Epi if there would be a two or three pound difference but less than that I would go upsize ( large fries ) .


    If i were Ells , I would offer the Moment in two varieties Moment light - with an high volume 2.25 stroke RP23 shock and a 69 degree headtube (like the 04 to 06 model) and maybe a Moment regular ( current production with slacker geometries and higher BB ,DHX shocks ) . They could then perhaps make a longer travel Truth ( 4.7 inches ) designed around the FOX F 120 to take the place of the Epi .

    a quicker Moment and a longer legged Truth are to me , very desirable bikes .

    I hope I did not offend any die hard Epi owners .

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    If the mag rockers reduce the weight 150 grams, mine would be 6.2 lbs. Mine has the Fox-R but I doubt that would change anything. I wonder why this one is so heavy?

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    Quote Originally Posted by kbell
    A pound isn't that big of a deal to me. It just when you think you're getting vanilla and lick chocolat it throws you off a little. I guess you have to watch the fine print with some folks.

    I plan to build;

    Frame - Large Nebulad Blue w/Fox R
    Fork - Fox 120 RLC
    HS - King
    Wheels - Crosmax ST
    Tires - Kenda Karma DTC (Stan's Juice)
    FD - XTR (960)
    RD - XO
    Shift - XO
    Cass - 990
    Chain - 990
    Post - Thomson
    Stem - Thomson X4
    Bars - Undecided
    Grips - ODI North Shore
    Seat - WTB Ti Team
    Cranks - XT
    Pedals - Egg Beater SL
    Brakes Juicey 7 (185/160)


    Fairly light build but not over the top. I've experiemented with uberlight weight builds but sometime they just don't ride as well and aren't as much fun. I like to add weight where I think there will be a significant performance increase. I like stiff whereever I can get it and light where ever I can afford it.

    Hopfully this won't come in too much over 26lbs.

    Any thoughts?
    Looks solid to me. The Bike is gonna rip... Don't worry.... I feel exactly the same about building a bike. For example I like a light wheel with a midweight tire for better traction with some rolling weight.

    The only reason I mentioned the Mojo SL was it truly comes in pounds lighter when built up and rides incredible. DW link pedals as well as ICT and the thing bombs the down hills. I chose the Epi because it had a more XC feel. That is to say I feel more in a cockpit on the Epi and more 'on top' of the Mojo.


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    Looks to be a nice build.

    If weight is bugging me, I remember my fully rigid Tange Prestige 7spd, rim brake bike from the 80's. That bike rocked and was LIGHT because it was sub 30#. I'm a perspective guy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rovertd
    Looks to be a nice build.

    If weight is bugging me, I remember my fully rigid Tange Prestige 7spd, rim brake bike from the 80's. That bike rocked and was LIGHT because it was sub 30#. I'm a perspective guy.
    I have a full rigid 1985 Cannondale M-800 hanging in the garage that probably weighs more than the Epiphany will.

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    6.5 pounds without shock eh? My 2001 Mountain Cycles San Andreas frame (which depending on shock choice can range from 4 to 6" travel) without shock was a hair under 6 pounds and with the heavy-ish DNM Backdraft (410g) air shock I'm using to give it exactly 5.25" travel its 6.8 Ibs. If I ran say, a Fox Float RP23 I could get it down to 6.5 for sure.
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    Quote Originally Posted by On-One
    I got it broken down right now to sell the frame...so I will try to run by the shop and weigh it. They have one of those ultimate hook scales. I have known to exagerate...but we shall see!

    Mine is an 07 size SM or MD, can't remember which.
    Do you actually have a Moment. How can you not remember what size you ride???

    Also what is the verdict!!! Too ashamed to admit yours weighs 7+pounds.


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    I'm off to a good start. My front wheel with tire, skewer and disc comes in at 10 oz. or 5/8 of a pound lighter than the front wheel on my Hi Fi Pro.

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    I have a 2008 Epiphany medium with mag rockers and RP23 shock. I weighed it at the shop - 2685 g or 5.92 lbs. With the build it comes in at just under 12Kg or about 26.5 lbs.
    I rode my Truth for 3 years. I will never forget the first day I rode my Epi. Make sure you have someone around on your first downhill to take a pic of that big grin on your face.
    Just a small suggestion - maybe consider the RaceFace Deus XC crank over the XT? I think it is much stiffer than the XT.

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    Quote Originally Posted by localboyvv
    Kbell- Just Build That Ride And Enjoy Every Moment You're On It. I Believe You Know You Made The Correct Choice In Staying With An Ellsworth. So What If It's A Few Grams More Than What You Thought It Should Be And That The Rocker Are Now Aluminum That Won't Change That Ride You've Come To Love With An Ellsworth.
    I've Upgraded From My Truth To An Epi And I Can't Begin To Tell You How Much I Love It. My Complete Build Puts The Ride At 26 Lbs With The Use Of All The Good Stuff. Besides You Should See All The Attention My Bros And I Get At All Of The Trailheads. Since I Could Never Afford To Buy A Ferrari Of Even A Ducatti This Would Be Its Equal In Cycling.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kbell
    I'm off to a good start. My front wheel with tire, skewer and disc comes in at 10 oz. or 5/8 of a pound lighter than the front wheel on my Hi Fi Pro.
    kbell, I don't know you but I like you already. I have to say.... this all belongs in a new Ellsworth Weight Weeny forum.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kbell
    Well, my Ellsworth Epiphany showed up today. I know Ellsworth claims that it's the lightest 5" travel bike in the world. Well, mine comes in at 6lbs. 8 oz. Somehow, I doubt it's the lightest in the world.

    I have seen several posts here with Large frames coming in at 5 1/2 lbs. How can it be so.


    Hmm, anyway, I can't decide to be happy or pissed about the new purchase. Any advise?

    I think that claimed weight is without including the bearings and the rear triangle.
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    Quote Originally Posted by road dirt
    kbell, I don't know you but I like you already. I have to say.... this all belongs in a new Ellsworth Weight Weeny forum.
    Clydesdale weight weenie that is. Hey light goes forward better!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zip
    I think that claimed weight is without including the bearings and the rear triangle.
    LMAO You're killin' me!!!

    Sometimes you have to read the fine print

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    No good Check Scale

    I'm no weight winnie expert, but 6lbs 8 oz is alot of weight differance in todays highend frameset market. Are you sure your scale is correct? Mag and Al are not that much differant in weight. Maybe Tony added some beef some where to get the warranty breakage issues down. If I spent that kind of money on a frameset which is advertized at less that 6 lbs, I'd be made as hell. Titus sells a moto lite Ti at less than 6 lbs and Ti is much heaver that Al.

    All framesets for that kind of $$$ should be less than 6 lbs, and frameset means it includes the shock.

    I feel for you, it sucks not getting what you expected.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TIMBERRR
    Do you actually have a Moment. How can you not remember what size you ride???

    Also what is the verdict!!! Too ashamed to admit yours weighs 7+pounds.


    Hope you know I'm just bustin on ya.

    I know I have posted this on other boards but my 2008 large came in at 7.& with a DHX air.

    Edit 7.6lbs
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    My Large EPI was 5.6 lbs. Complete weight is 25.7lbs.I work in a bike shop and the Epi's have all been between 5.6 and 5.9 lbs with RP23's.

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    Quote Originally Posted by northbkr1
    My Large EPI was 5.6 lbs. Complete weight is 25.7lbs.I work in a bike shop and the Epi's have all been between 5.6 and 5.9 lbs with RP23's.
    When was your scale last calibrated?
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    Quote Originally Posted by TIMBERRR
    Do you actually have a Moment. How can you not remember what size you ride???

    Also what is the verdict!!! Too ashamed to admit yours weighs 7+pounds.


    Hope you know I'm just bustin on ya.

    Ok finally weighed it for the ebay add. My medium is 7.37 lbs per my ultimate Alpine scale. I will take my lashes now. Could of sworn it weighed less when I bought it!
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    We have 2 brand new scales and they both read the same. I have even used one from another shop, same weight

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    I just got a 08 medium Epiphany frame and it weights 6lbs 8 oz. I know the ride will be great, but I thought it would be sub 6 lbs.

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