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    Ellsworth wheels

    Hi
    where could I find more information about Ellsworth wheels ?

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    thanks
    somme one ride it here ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by BOSS
    thanks
    somme one ride it here ?
    I think they are still "vaporware"

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    Ellsworth have it in stock in usa
    i think somme people allready ride with

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    hello
    i just test it on my Truth


    good wheels
    light and rigide
    it look like the easton one
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    I have the AMs on my moment and have not had any issues yet. I got them in late Feb and ride about twice a week so they have seen the dirt and still loving it.
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    POE on hubs

    whats POE on these? they 72 like Chris king and other high end hubs?

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    Not to hijack this thread but...

    Quote Originally Posted by BOSS
    hello
    i just test it on my Truth


    good wheels
    light and rigide
    it look like the easton one
    Wow, i've never seen brake levers turned downwards like that! Is that just an optical illusion in the pic or do your levers really point straight down? Just curious.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spartacus Rex
    Wow, i've never seen brake levers turned downwards like that! Is that just an optical illusion in the pic or do your levers really point straight down? Just curious.
    I was curious about that too. Boss, you also seem to have a very short stem going there too (at least for an XC/race type bike). Do you ride waaay over the front of the bike such that your hands are really rotated forward? I gotta wonder how that works for when (if) you get off the back of the bike for a technical descent. It would be cool to get a better undserstanding if you don't mind.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rmac
    I was curious about that too. Boss, you also seem to have a very short stem going there too (at least for an XC/race type bike). Do you ride waaay over the front of the bike such that your hands are really rotated forward? I gotta wonder how that works for when (if) you get off the back of the bike for a technical descent. It would be cool to get a better undserstanding if you don't mind.
    His lever position is fairly ergonomic because often people put their levers way too high, and that forces the hand to rotate up, which is a position that is not very natural, your hand naturally wants to curve, just hold your arm level and relax your hand and see, so that makes a pretty good position for the levers usually, maximizes your force and minimizes fatique/uncomfortable position. You see this often on lots of downhill bikes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BOSS
    Hi
    where could I find more information about Ellsworth wheels ?
    Aren't you an ellsworth distributer? a guy who has had 70 ellsworth bikes through the years? how the hell do you not know where to get an ellsworth product? who in their right mind would buy ellsworth wheels? why not stick to a proven product like king or hope with a rim like mavic or dt swiss. ells makes nice bikes. i've had a moment and my wife rides a truth but this wheel business is just marketing hype. who is going to be stocking parts for these? what type of hub do they use? who makes it? i have no idea why someone would drink the kool aid and buy wheels from ellsworth. i wish they would just stick to frames and customer service. master that and then get into the wheel business but please give some info on design of the hub. what type or pawls, seals, bearings, spokes and who makes the rims.
    seriously though why is an ellsworth european distributer stirring up interest on these wheels undert the guise of a customer. this is the sh!t that pisses peolpe off aout ellsworth. they are constantly marketing on the sly. make a good product, back it up and the word of mouth alone will help sales. all this fake sh!t from boss and rogue rider x just annoys people. stick to frames

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    Go easy, bud..

    Quote Originally Posted by plmrman
    all this fake sh!t from boss and rogue rider x just annoys people. stick to frames
    Yikes! That might be a little more confrontational than I am used to.

    How does one progress the sport by 'sticking' to any one product line? Are you saying there is NO room for improvement on the current 'state of the art' of wheels? The fine folks at Mavic and DT got it right forever? Do you want more options [i.e. Companies] to choose from or less?

    Fair request by you for more info on what type or pawls [wha?], seals, bearings, spokes hub, rims, etc. Too bad you used other inflammatory language though... can't we try to stick to positive vibes?

    More to follow on specs and pics. Coffee finally kicked in. Time to ride.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rogue Rider x
    Yikes! That might be a little more confrontational than I am used to.

    How does one progress the sport by 'sticking' to any one product line? Are you saying there is NO room for improvement on the current 'state of the art' of wheels? The fine folks at Mavic and DT got it right forever? Do you want more options [i.e. Companies] to choose from or less?

    Fair request by you for more info on what type or pawls [wha?], seals, bearings, spokes hub, rims, etc. Too bad you used other inflammatory language though... can't we try to stick to positive vibes?

    More to follow on specs and pics. Coffee finally kicked in. Time to ride.
    hey bud sorry for the foul language. it is interesting that your wheels aren't built in the states. also amazing that you can find master wheel builders in a buddist temple in thailand with twelve years hand crafting custom wheels. some of the women in the video look to be in their twenties i guess they must have started young. can't wait to see the specs on the hubs and rims. i love that i have to ride them to fel how fast they are. any demo sets out there i can ride before dropping my hard earned cash?

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    just look when i post my 1rst question !!!!
    10-19-2007
    it was a new product
    at this time i never seen anny ellsworth wheel
    and allso never seen anny test on web or magazine
    so i was looking for information !

    you know plmrman
    I was a big big fan off Ellsworth 2 years before i start to import them
    i start to ride an Ellsworth probably in 1992
    at the same time I importe some off the best bike in the world
    Intense, Turner, Foes, cove, Ibis, Niner
    And i never find a better bike

    I dont have anny reason to said that in this forum
    I will never sell anny bike in USA !!!!
    and I dont know who is rogue rider X !!!
    I never have anny communication with him in this forum
    i dont know if he work for Ellsworth or is a fan like me !
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    """Wow, i've never seen brake levers turned downwards like that! Is that just an optical illusion in the pic or do your levers really point straight down? Just curious."""

    when i take the photo I just finish to build the bike but not finish to adjust it
    now it is in a better position
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    Quote Originally Posted by BOSS
    Hi
    where could I find more information about Ellsworth wheels ?
    Ok - the new website has been updated to include wheels and specs.

    Just visit www.EllsworthBikes.com and click on the Wheels tab in the upper left.

    There are hi-res pics and downloadable pdf spec sheets.
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    RRX, are the spec for the AM wheel wrong, it looks like those are the xc wheel specs???
    Also do you have the POE on the hubs as asked above? Just curious, I asked my buddy that works at ells and he said he didn't know it.
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    You are correct sir. Nice catch JJ. The proper wheel tag has now been uploaded. Remember to refresh when you look again.

    And refresh my memory on what POE stands for?? [Sorry, im not the tech guy...]
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    POE = Points of Engagement. basically how many active engagement points are in the hub. High end, quick engaging hubs such as chris king or hadley have 72 POE, shimano is at 24 though I believe this years models are up to 36. Many points of engagement means less pedal stroke required before the power is actually transferred to the rear wheel through the hub, a low poe means you can have a couple inches of free play which is just wasted energy. This is a big deal when ratcheting the pedals in technical sections as well as for many trials and urban riders or simply just for those of us wanting to get power to the ground the instant we start mashing the pedals.

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    Very well put ramazz.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BOSS
    plmrman
    just look when i post my 1rst question !!!!
    10-19-2007
    it was a new product
    at this time i never seen anny ellsworth wheel
    and allso never seen anny test on web or magazine
    so i was looking for information !

    you know plmrman
    I was a big big fan off Ellsworth 2 years before i start to import them
    i start to ride an Ellsworth probably in 1992
    at the same time I importe some off the best bike in the world
    Intense, Turner, Foes, cove, Ibis, Niner
    And i never find a better bike

    I dont have anny reason to said that in this forum
    I will never sell anny bike in USA !!!!
    and I dont know who is rogue rider X !!!
    I never have anny communication with him in this forum
    i dont know if he work for Ellsworth or is a fan like me !
    how do you not know that rrx is an ellsworth employee, it says so in his sig.
    he isn't hiding that he is an employee any more. it's cool how you don't know any more about ellsworth than the average joe but you started the thread that the new website was up. great sleuthing by a regular guy/consumer.

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    I just said i dont know who he is (his name)
    but i know that he work for ellsworth
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    Quote Originally Posted by BOSS
    I just said i dont know who he is (his name)
    but i know that he work for ellsworth
    actually you said you didn't know who he is and that you didn't know that he worked for ellsworth. try to stick to the same story. your post is right there in front of you and you only said it a few days ago.

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    just look when i post my 1rst question !!!!
    10-19-2007
    it was a new product
    at this time i never seen anny ellsworth wheel
    and allso never seen anny test on web or magazine
    so i was looking for information !

    you know plmrman
    I was a big big fan off Ellsworth 2 years before i start to import them
    i start to ride an Ellsworth probably in 1992
    at the same time I importe some off the best bike in the world
    Intense, Turner, Foes, cove, Ibis, Niner
    And i never find a better bike

    I dont have anny reason to said that in this forum
    I will never sell anny bike in USA !!!!
    and I dont know who is rogue rider X !!!
    I never have anny communication with him in this forum
    i dont know if he work for Ellsworth or is a fan like me !


    here is what you said in case you forgot. i bolded the part where you said you didn't know that he worked for ellsworth in case it wasn't still fresh in your memory. is it tough being a distributer and a "fan"? doesn't that kind of mean that in a way you do work for ellsworth being a distibuter?

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    i said i know he work for ellsworth has everrrrrry on here !
    but i dont know who he is !


    i dont know what is your probleme ?
    but ride more or find a girlfriend
    and you will be better
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    i realy think that you have a big big probleme
    or a lot off time to lose !!!!

    few mounth ago has everrrrrry body here i dont know that RRX work for ellsworth !!!!!

    about me cince I'm on this forum I always said I import ellsworth in to France
    allso I'm one off the bigggest fan off Ellsworth bikes cince 15 years I ride it !
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    Quote Originally Posted by BOSS
    i realy think that you have a big big probleme
    or a lot off time to lose !!!!

    few mounth ago has everrrrrry body here i dont know that RRX work for ellsworth !!!!!

    about me cince I'm on this forum I always said I import ellsworth in to France
    allso I'm one off the bigggest fan off Ellsworth bikes cince 15 years I ride it !
    I think he has a Homer stuck in his Crack.





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    my problem is that you seem to have tony's balls stuck in your mouth. you've stated numerous times that you love ellsworth and that you've owned 70 of them through your 14 years of love. you just seem inconsistent in your statements about rrx as i pointed out above. i am married and love my wife and my 4 daughters very much. and while proud and amazed by all 5 girls in my life, i still don't moon over them the way you do over ellsworth. i tghink you might need a woman in your life.i can just picture you making sweet love to the seat tube of all 70 ellsworths you've owned through the years while whispering sweet nothings into the headtube with your french accent. you know what they say about the french "they are lovers not fighters". your bike is a very lucky girl!
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    [QUOTE=coldsteele]I think he has a Homer stuck in his Crack.



    Seriously plmrmn, you need to relax. I am pretty sure there is not some whole conspiracy out to get you. Let's try and stay on topic for just one thread in the Ells forum.

    The wheels are nice, I have been on my AM set since Feb-Mar and still love the ride. Although the way this forum has been crying like children I might need to sell my Moment and find another ride.
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    WTF 2376 grams. That heavy for AM. Heading into DH territory. And for the MSRP I might as well pick up a set of I9's.

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    Quote Originally Posted by plmrman
    my problem is that you seem to have tony's balls stuck in your mouth. you've stated numerous times that you love ellsworth and that you've owned 70 of them through your 14 years of love. you just seem inconsistent in your statements. i am married and love my wife very much and ny 4 daughters also. and while proud and amazed by all 5 girls in my life,but i still don't moon over them the way you do over ellsworth. i can just picture you making sweet love to the seat tube of all 70 ellsworths you've owned thrugh the years why whispering sweet nothings into the headtube with your french accent. you know what they say about the french "they are lovers not fighters". your bike is a very lucky girl!
    That is very uncalled for. You are implying some terrible things. Is the seat tube 27.2? If so, you are bringing up some really embarrasing sizing issues.

    Seriously though- it is pretty sad that nobody can tell us what the engagement points are. If I had to guess, it is because NOBODY KNOWS YET or even more deviously, the engagement points are pretty low and not exactly worth bringing attention to. If I had to guess, I'd guess 36.

    So what type of bearings?
    If pawls, how many pawls (and points per pawl)?
    or even more simple- how many engagement points or degrees of engagement?
    How many ft/lbs of torque have the drive mechanisms been tested to?

    I'm guessing (again) that nobody knows or wants to provide this info. Prove me wrong and then we can see if these wheels are worth looking at.

    Industry Nine is solid and super-high engagement (made in the US- maybe even Japanese bearings since ABEC 5 Japanese bearings are arguably better than anything else that is available well enough) and of course, my favorites- Chris Kings. Now that is a true green company (don't go here with the "EW is green"...you don't want to). The only problem is that they last bloody forever so I have to keep all these wheelsets around. Well, that isn't too bad- others do benefit from my extra wheelsets.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BlueMountain
    That is very uncalled for. You are implying some terrible things. Is the seat tube 27.2? If so, you are bringing up some really embarrasing sizing issues.

    Seriously though- it is pretty sad that nobody can tell us what the engagement points are. If I had to guess, it is because NOBODY KNOWS YET or even more deviously, the engagement points are pretty low and not exactly worth bringing attention to. If I had to guess, I'd guess 36.

    So what type of bearings?
    If pawls, how many pawls (and points per pawl)?
    or even more simple- how many engagement points or degrees of engagement?
    How many ft/lbs of torque have the drive mechanisms been tested to?

    I'm guessing (again) that nobody knows or wants to provide this info. Prove me wrong and then we can see if these wheels are worth looking at.

    Industry Nine is solid and super-high engagement (made in the US- maybe even Japanese bearings since ABEC 5 Japanese bearings are arguably better than anything else that is available well enough) and of course, my favorites- Chris Kings. Now that is a true green company (don't go here with the "EW is green"...you don't want to). The only problem is that they last bloody forever so I have to keep all these wheelsets around. Well, that isn't too bad- others do benefit from my extra wheelsets.
    i agree that no response equals embarassment over what they are. it is hard to justify the cost of their wheels when you know nothing about the hubs. i love my kings because if i break a spoke they are readily available anywhere and you can't say the same about i-9"s. i love the i'9 hubs with the straight pull flanges but their standard hubs don't have the same bling factor. if you notice both these manifacturers have no problem stating their poe's and tech info on their hubs. that makes me a lot more comfortable buying their product rather than a video of tony strumming the spokes on his hubs like a banjo playing hillbilly from deliverance

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    Quote Originally Posted by plmrman
    i agree that no response equals embarassment over what they are. it is hard to justify the cost of their wheels when you know nothing about the hubs. i love my kings because if i break a spoke they are readily available anywhere and you can't say the same about i-9"s. i love the i'9 hubs with the straight pull flanges but their standard hubs don't have the same bling factor. if you notice both these manifacturers have no problem stating their poe's and tech info on their hubs. that makes me a lot more comfortable buying their product rather than a video of tony strumming the spokes on his hubs like a banjo playing hillbilly from deliverance
    Well, to be fair- EW isn't playing in the same league as any of those guys so they have to rely on snazzy marketing to compete. CK and I9 have taken a lot of time and money to engineer and test their hubs and that what they primarily do.

    One of these days, I'll have to call and give TE a brief lesson in Buddhism as well. I should have before he made that silly ad.

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    Alright guys, the flames and insults in this thread are WAYYY over the line...consider yourselves warned.

    I am locking this one up due to the personal flames.

    Discuss and debate all you want, but leave the flames and insults out of it.

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    On second thought, "plmrman" ...you are wayyy too antagonistic and personal with your flames and insults. I'm giving you a one week timeout to think about trying to play nice.

    Just because you don't like Ellsworth, doesn't give you carte blanche to flame and badger them every chance you get...this was a legit thread, till you totally derailled it.

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