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    We the people ... To "Ellsworth" or not?

    After 12 years of riding "cookie cutter" hardtails I've decided to treat myself to a custom full suspension bike. After looking around it looks like most frames are around $2,000, so I'm not sure it matters much, when you look at cost, as to which brand you go with.. One thing that pointed me to Ellsworth is their claim of being very efficient when it comes to climbing, climbing is what I like to do the most so I would like to get the most out of the frame I can. That is one of two questions I have for all you Ellsworth owners out there, do their "efficiency" claims hold true? The other question I have is their swing arm beefy enough to hold up to some heavy duty torque, in other words will it flex? Looking at the construction of it, it looks really strudy and well built.
    The Stumpjumper Pro I have now flexes like a wet noodle and I have lots of problems with shifting and things like that during technical steep climbs. I guess the new and improved M4 material they made the frame out of was not intended to be real stiff.
    I would love to demo one but the "demo crew" will not be in Colorado Springs again till spring time and I do not want to wait till then and the bike shop is not going to let me ride one of there bikes where I would want to test ride it ...
    I would appreciate any comments or suggestions anyone might have.
    I realize I have asked probably the most biased riders on this "Ellsworth" forum, but I have been on enough forums to know that everyone thinks their's is the best no matter what brand it is, so I figured I would directly to the riders who own one.
    Thanks a lot!!!

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    As to whether they are stiff or not. I have bent the 4th and 5th cogs on couple of cassettes, XT XTR and SRAM. That would make me to believe that the back end is plenty stiff. Well I do also have a CK hub with the 10mm bolts. I think the ability of the bike is hampered by the rider some times. Sometimes it is the other way around.

    I was on an ID for 2.5 years then went to a Moment. I've been on it for 2 years. I like the ride but the VPP design rides nice also. Each suspension design has its benefits and drawbacks. Find out what is more important to you and you will be on the right bike for you.

    There are plenty of EW riders in CO. I'm sure they will chime in.

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    Which frame are you looking at buying? Down n Dirty seems to have asked the same question as you at the same time...about the Epiphany.

    Honestly, I've not heard that flex is an issue with any Ellsworth bike to date. I have heard that about Specialized FSR bikes, but not really any other linkage bikes, like Turner, Kona, Ventana (especially) or Titus to name a few. I have personally not noticed anything like brake rub or tire rub, no loss of traction on turns, things like that.

    As far as climbing goes, I'd say if you can push the gears, the bike will find the traction. Today's shocks make a heck of a difference too, but really, I like my bike best with minimal compression damping. It really bites into the terrain well. I have to say, though, that the best benefit of the suspension design, in my eyes, is the braking performance.

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    is the Epi stiff ...h(ells) yeah. go for it

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    I can say that the "100% efficient" claims are not true. No machine in existence is 100% efficient, and if you watch the little ICT video on the Ellsworth site, they show you so.

    Anyway, this seems to start out negative, but really I love my Moment. It is the greatest bike I have ever ridden. I did a significant suspension comparison this year at Interbike. Rode as many different designs as I could. So I can tell you this, you will probably not find a bike that is better at climbing technical terrain. If you are going to ride up fireroads and bomb down singletrack, VPP would be the way to go. But thing that makes the Ellsworths so great is that no matter what situation you are in, just keep pedaling, and the bike keeps going.

    My last ride was up one of our "peaks" here in da UP of Michigan. It starts out as sand, moves into loam, and turns into rock at the top. You are climbing up a trail that is basically all babyheads and bedrock, so in other words, bumpy as all heck! And as we were going up, I took notice to how amazing the suspension was working. As long as kept a nice, consistent pedal stroke, suspension kept taking the hits and the chain kept moving me forward. It really is an amazing experience.

    In contrast, I came from another Ellsworth before my Moment, the single pivot Joker. And while that was a great bike, the suspensions are night and day. The Joker was very much effected by the pedaling input. And I got very good at pedaling it to where if we were climbing up a road, I could keep the suspension from moving. But when it came to climbing the trail, that effect of the chain (lack of activeness) works against you and you find yourself being hampered by the terrain more than you should be.

    So heres the moral: Ellsworths are very, very good and being very, very active under any situation. They do a good job of keeping all elements of the suspension separated (bump absorption, pedaling, braking). However, they do bob more than a VPP or high single pivot which rely on the chain force to keep them steady. I say, an Ellsworth will climb better in a technical situation than most other bikes. Not to mention the decend like a bat out of hell!

    You should buy one, you won't regret it!

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    steep is good

    Climbing ability is ONE of the main points that drew me to Ellsworth.

    I have a bro-in-law who can't say enough about his Truth's climbing ability. He rides in the Bay Area in CA, and I consider myself as a "hill climber" until I get around him. He goes up (and down) stuff that I can't even walk. He switched from a hard tail (Trek carbon) to some other suspension, then to the Truth. He is an INSANE rider. Says he climbs step ups and big stuff that his equally insane firends can't get over with their stable of pricey machines.

    I do twisty tight technical XC and love pushing the limits of traction going up. I actually created a trail system in my neighborhood that is called Willows Fjords. Its all maxed all vertical.

    I have a modified build kit Ellsworth Epi on order..I am a chunk heavier than my Bro-in-law..Unfotunately its taking a bit longer to get it than I anticpated , but just due to the shop where I am ordering it said they had the frame in stock...until I put money down, then changed their tune and now say the frame should be coming in "soon". AARRGGGHH!

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    I recomend looking at the new Moment but you should definately ride others like the Chumba evo, Turner rfx, etc.

    Then make your own decision.

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    Ellsworth ICT in general are great, efficient technical climbers. Especially the Truth and Epiphany.

    Evo is a pretty good bike--stiff, heavy and solid. Its strength is on going down and is not on climbing. It needs the help of a travel-reduction fork to keep from wandering on steep climbs.

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    When you drop $2000 on a frame, whether it's Ellsworth, Turner or whatever you won't be dissapointed. I think the most important factor is the fit and how it feels when set up properly to suit your riding style.

    I have a Truth and Moment which are both great bikes, but like any frames they have limitations too.

    Take your time, test ride as much as possible then buy an Ellsworth!!

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    grinning ear-to-ear... but try b4 buy

    You simply must ride any frame before making a buy (same for snow skis, by the way). You just cannot go off of reviews or testamonials. Probably of no consequence what I say after that, huh?

    I rode a few bikes, including the Epiphany, when I was shopping. I bought the one that felt great and brought a big smile with it. I'm lucky to have a shop that will loan you an Ellsworth for an hour and you can be on dirt in about five minutes from their door. Took it for one hour, then came back a few weeks later and did a 24 hour demo/rental for second confirmation.

    I love the Epiphany and got no such feeling from anything else I tried: Specialized, Cannondale, Fischer... (did enjoy the Cannondale monofork, but the bikes felt sluggish somehow and the pedal/rear interaction was not right for me).

    Every time I jump on the Epi I am pleased beyond words (I keep having the Epiphany). It feels just completely right to me (after 3.5 months of ownership)...

    And, it is the best mix of climbing ease/traction and downhill control/comfort that I've ever been on. The feel and ride on this bike is just great for me. I guess I won't go shopping again for a few years...

    Buy a bike that fits you! Buy one that makes you grin from ear-to-ear and makes you want to get out and ride!!!

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    I recently demo'd an epi at the Singltrack Factory in Denver. If you don't mind a short drive, you can demo Ellsworths and Turners there. I took it to red-rocks which is a short hop away and gave it a good run through. Good shop with helpful people.

    The epi is on my short-list.

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    Good job! Cool so far!!

    Hey, thanks for the insight so far!!! I do appreciate the replies.. I will have to visit the shop and try to talk them into letting me take one of their bikes out..
    mbabaracus thanks for the 411 on the Denver shop, I may need to resort to going there if my LBS won't let me do what I want although I would rather buy local...

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    There may be beter bikes out there , but I guess noone would really know unless you owned them . Pardon the pun , but the truth of the matter is I own a truth and a moment and am very happy with them . I initially was concerned in making the financial commitment in buying my first Ellsworth (since they are expensive) , but after getting my first one I could say that I was very happy even though I cracked a chainstay, I still think very highly of their bikes , and continue to enjoy riding them .

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    I went to other side,not anymore Ellsworth for me.I used to have two bikes:Moment and ID Last friday i bought new frame:Nicolai Helius FR,

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    The Ellsworth ICT is great. My Moment climbs like a rat up a drain pipe, and I can pull of pretty gnarly decents, too. Generally speaking, most Ellsworth owners love their bikes and they perform like no other. You'd have to pry mine out of my cold dead hands!

    Also, I'm a former Ventana owner (it was stolen ) and I'd buy another in a second. Definitely check them out... they have some killer new models for '07, too!
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    100% efficient?

    I'll agree with UP_Dude, it's my experience that suspension bikes are not 100% efficient. I started riding my Truth again after spending the last two years on my SS. I was always a sitdown and spin climber on my ells and could climb up any technical section... it excels here.

    After using the SS (36X20) for 99% of my rides, I learned to enjoy middle ring climbing on fire roads while standing and mashing on the pedals. You can't beat a hardtail for this type of climbing. Maybe if I had a stable platform shock it would help, but when I stand and pull on the bars while riding a f/s bike the back tire is much easier to overtorque since the shock is going to compress instead of apply the pressure to the rear tire.

    So it depends on what kind of climbing you do and the terrain. You can't beat a fully active suspension when it comes to technical climbing, the back tire sticks instead of getting bounced around. I left the SS at home when I went to Porc Rim.

    As far as lateral flex, I can't tell the difference between my SS and the Truth. My legs are not strong enough to cause noticeable flex. I can only wish they were, I'd like to know what it's like to ride a noodle.

    Get the frame and you'll enjoy the downhills as much as you do climbing.
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    Customer Service issues?

    I'm thinking about coming back to Ellsworth ('03 Isis stolen and replaced with a Yeti 575), and want to know if anyone has any customer service stories (good or bad) from within the last 2 years. I've read all the horror stories about the 2001 Truth's and don't want to hear any of that again. What I want to hear are *recent* stories.
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    Good job!

    Quote Originally Posted by pixelninja
    I'm thinking about coming back to Ellsworth ('03 Isis stolen and replaced with a Yeti 575), and want to know if anyone has any customer service stories (good or bad) from within the last 2 years. I've read all the horror stories about the 2001 Truth's and don't want to hear any of that again. What I want to hear are *recent* stories.
    I finally got my Epiphany. I am EXTREMELY happy with it. I had an "ultimate" road bike MANY years ago, and always compromised severely on my mtn bikes. This time I said what the heck. I had forgotten just how nice it is to have a no compromise bike that even makes you proud when you LOOK at it, in addition to when you are riding it.

    I was a bit put off by the reports of bad customer service when shopping for an Ellsworth. I came to the same conclusion as you, that these are old reports and one bad dealer in England.
    It appears that Ellsworth has woken up to the fact that good customer service is REQUIRED in ADDITION to making an awesome frame. I hope they plan to continue in this direction.

    I have gotten pretty good customer service response so far.

    I did have a slight issue of discovering that placement of the front derailleur is CRITICAL on the Epi. Luckily most people tend to install front derailleurs to high. Mine wasn't and dinged the frame. (Be especially careful if going to a "2 plus bash ring" front setup) Ellsworth did contact me directly and expressed concern. I also had some contact with them while trying to decide on getting an Epi.

    So I haven't had any MAJOR issues....which is a good thing, so I really haven't put their customer service to the acid test. And I hope I never have to.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pixelninja
    I'm thinking about coming back to Ellsworth ('03 Isis stolen and replaced with a Yeti 575), and want to know if anyone has any customer service stories (good or bad) from within the last 2 years. I've read all the horror stories about the 2001 Truth's and don't want to hear any of that again. What I want to hear are *recent* stories.
    There's been a few on the boards. Dave @ Ellsworth has really stepped in and been able to take care of some issues. Check out the thread on the magnesium rockers on the Epiphany.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pixelninja
    I'm thinking about coming back to Ellsworth ('03 Isis stolen and replaced with a Yeti 575), and want to know if anyone has any customer service stories (good or bad) from within the last 2 years. I've read all the horror stories about the 2001 Truth's and don't want to hear any of that again. What I want to hear are *recent* stories.
    I've been checking out the Ellsworth boards after seeing my fourth - yes, fourth - Ellsworth break and this last one was just this past Saturday. Two of them were broken by the same rider (both Truths, an '04 and an '05) who is a rather skilled rider who I've rarely seen do any kind of drops (technical stuff, yes, but he's not big on drops). The third was another friend whose '05 Moment cracked and this guy is a rather timid rider who's not a big fan of tech. The final one, the one that occurred this past Saturday, was on an '05 Truth and this one had a complete catastrophic failure where the top tube completely separated from the seat tube (fortunately, the guy was going up hill so he didn't get injured). This final rider is also one of the least aggressive riders I've ever met as he's pushing 60, loves to ride and doesn't want to risk injury.

    In my 6+ years of riding (and I ride a lot) I've only seen one other frame crack and that was on a Turner Nitrous (those things are made to break with a 165lbs weight limit) so either I know a bunch of very unlucky people or - and this latter assumption seems to be more in line with reality - Ellsworth is not only manufacturing a sub-standard product but producing a dangerous one as well.

    Everyone I know who rides one loves the way they ride which, at one time, got me to consider buying one however, after personally seeing so many failures I can only conclude that Ellsworth takes absolutely no pride in their craftsmanship and, worse yet, doesn't care about the fact that they're likely to produce a bike that may well get someone seriously injured or killed.

    Sure ICT is supposed to be great but is it really worth the risk when companies like Titus, Santa Cruz, Turner, Intense, Yeti and others are producing bikes that simply don't have these problems and - with the exception of Intense - are generally several hundred dollars cheaper?
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    Bonking ... not feelin' well truth or consequences?

    crankxoc wrote:
    "I've been checking out the Ellsworth boards after seeing my fourth - yes, fourth - Ellsworth break and this last one was just this past Saturday."

    This does seem much higher than "normal" statistical odds. As much as I love my Epi, hearing something like this does cast a seed of doubt into me that I might be riding a time bomb.

    Might be a good time for Ellsworth to SHOW their Customer Service new leaf and answer this, hopefully reassuring us Ellsworth owners.

    This is indeed a pretty serious allegation being put forth here. Its either a scarey trend or libel.......

    that is definitely a bad or worse choice.....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Twisted Trail
    crankxoc wrote:
    "I've been checking out the Ellsworth boards after seeing my fourth - yes, fourth - Ellsworth break and this last one was just this past Saturday."

    This does seem much higher than "normal" statistical odds. As much as I love my Epi, hearing something like this does cast a seed of doubt into me that I might be riding a time bomb.

    Might be a good time for Ellsworth to SHOW their Customer Service new leaf and answer this, hopefully reassuring us Ellsworth owners.

    This is indeed a pretty serious allegation being put forth here. Its either a scarey trend or libel.......

    that is definitely a bad or worse choice.....
    Not libel, defamation or slander in any way; simply the truth. I have nothing against Ellsworth as I've never actually either owned or ridden one however, having seen the results of their "craftsmanship" I have a serious problem with the product they're putting on the market.

    Like I said, maybe I'm simply an anomaly in that, literally, everyone I actually know who owns or has owned an Ellsworth has had them break (I've met many other Ellsworth owners but only really know three) but, couple my personal experience with the numerous stories I've heard about other Ellsworths breaking, and I simply cannot believe this company is still in business.

    As I mentioned previously, I believe the ICT system may actually be one of the better four-bar systems out there however, the bike quality itself scares the crap out of me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CranxOC
    Not libel, defamation or slander in any way; simply the truth. I have nothing against Ellsworth as I've never actually either owned or ridden one however, having seen the results of their "craftsmanship" I have a serious problem with the product they're putting on the market.

    Like I said, maybe I'm simply an anomaly in that, literally, everyone I actually know who owns or has owned an Ellsworth has had them break (I've met many other Ellsworth owners but only really know three) but, couple my personal experience with the numerous stories I've heard about other Ellsworths breaking, and I simply cannot believe this company is still in business.

    As I mentioned previously, I believe the ICT system may actually be one of the better four-bar systems out there however, the bike quality itself scares the crap out of me.
    I suggest you bring some hard evidence. Pictures? What Ellsworth told them etc? I could easily write about cracked Specialized, Turners or any other Manufacturer here. I think the problem some people have with Ells at the moment is that they are putting out some great bikes - which doesn't sit too well with some people.

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    Just my twopenn'orth - I've had my Id for 11 months (one of the last ones?) and it is without doubt the best bike I've had) It climbs brilliantly and descends like a demon (the high BB is useful for rocky bits), but is a bit twitchy at times, probably due to the steep head angle. however, I've just had to replace all the pivot bearings. I know it is muddy here in Yorkshire, but those bearings were rubbish. it has been used once a week on average, I'm fairly gentle on bikes in general (althogh we do have some very rough fast descents) and I'm very careful when cleaning. 11 months is not really good enough in my opinion. I'll have to see how long these bearings last - I bought them from a local bearing supplier.

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    Sounds like some silly talk going on here... I have faith that Ellsworth can weld two pieces of pipe together securely enough to withstand my abuse. As far as customer service, at least "locally" where I am at I have been offered by one of the employees of the bike shop to take his personal bike out for a "real" test on the single track before I buy one and I've yet to actually meet the guy.. Thanks man!! I realize that doesn't show for the entire company but it's a great start.. Thanks for all the input so far on this thread, I thought it was dead but I guess it's been brought back to life...

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    Speedtriple, the bearings will need looking after especially in our inclement climate. I'm planning on doing this a couple of times a year >


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    Quote Originally Posted by CranxOC
    Not libel, defamation or slander in any way; simply the truth. I have nothing against Ellsworth as I've never actually either owned or ridden one however, having seen the results of their "craftsmanship" I have a serious problem with the product they're putting on the market.

    Like I said, maybe I'm simply an anomaly in that, literally, everyone I actually know who owns or has owned an Ellsworth has had them break (I've met many other Ellsworth owners but only really know three) but, couple my personal experience with the numerous stories I've heard about other Ellsworths breaking, and I simply cannot believe this company is still in business.
    Ahhhh...the joys of outsourcing! I've yet to actually see a cracked Moment, but like one other said, failures happen all the the time. Hang out on some other boards and you'll see. I'd like to know, though, how these claims were handled. That's the real issue here. Ellsworth (or any other manufacturer) cannot know of all the QA issues at their outsourcers and suppliers, but what they can do is keep a rider riding.

    I think the problem with boutique brands is that they underbuild their frames in order to make them the lightest possible as opposed to overbuilding them for strength. People tend to equate light with "expensive", which often it is because so much manipulation goes into making parts and frames extremely light. I don't know if light is always durable, though. It's a compromise. Some new builders like Knolly and Chumba are really beefing up their frames. I bet you won't see a lot of failures with those.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CranxOC
    Not libel, defamation or slander in any way; simply the truth..
    Dang, I was HOPING for libel.....that would have been the better option.....

    I must admit I only know a few Ellsworth owners and SO FAR, they haven't had breakage problems, but then I live where they are a rare beast. If you look at the Ellsworth site list of authorized dealers, you will see there are FAR more in California, than anywhere else, especially the Northwest. So you definitely get a larger sampling down there.

    It will be interesting to see if Ellsworth Customer Service jumps in on damage control on this one, because its certainly exceeded my couple week ownership capability to refute your observations.

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    There were seat tube issues with 2001-2003, maybe 2004 Truths. Haven't really heard of issues with the 2005+ frames since Ells beefed up that problem area.

    This the first I heard of a cracked Moment...on this board anyways.

    Yes, I would say it's pretty abnormal for you to personally witness all these breakage of 2004, 2005 bikes of the same brand...especially when all these riders are pretty tame, non-tech, timid riders as you described.

    It would be nice to see some pictures or if you can get these owners to chime in here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ahimanic
    There were seat tube issues with 2001-2003, maybe 2004 Truths. Haven't really heard of issues with the 2005+ frames since Ells beefed up that problem area.

    This the first I heard of a cracked Moment...on this board anyways.

    Yes, I would say it's pretty abnormal for you to personally witness all these breakage of 2004, 2005 bikes of the same brand...especially when all these riders are pretty tame, non-tech, timid riders as you described.

    It would be nice to see some pictures or if you can get these owners to chime in here.
    Unfortunately, I don't have any pictures (the first three occurred at different points over a year ago) and none of the owners is much into message board posting so it's doubtful you'll hear from them.

    Also, I do agree that it's highly unusual for me to literally have every Ellsworth owner I know have a failure; maybe I just have a strange effect on Ellsworths

    As I've said previously, I have nothing against the company other than the fact that I've seen a number of failures, and have read about several more, and have to question what it is they're doing over there. One bad run is one thing but several different years and different models is kinda scary.
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    it figures you dont have pics...

    because you are a liar...
    you have an axe to grind against Ellsworth for reasons that only you know... in your OT:Typical post, elsewhere on this board, you give a bit different account of some breakages.... at least you could have made an effort and lie along same lines in different messages...

    you sound awful similar to infamous steve3 who was banned from visiting this board long time ago... get a life already...

    post pics or some other proof that your statement are true... otherwise your credibility is as good as that of GWB...


    Quote Originally Posted by CranxOC
    Unfortunately, I don't have any pictures (the first three occurred at different points over a year ago) and none of the owners is much into message board posting so it's doubtful you'll hear from them.

    Also, I do agree that it's highly unusual for me to literally have every Ellsworth owner I know have a failure; maybe I just have a strange effect on Ellsworths

    As I've said previously, I have nothing against the company other than the fact that I've seen a number of failures, and have read about several more, and have to question what it is they're doing over there. One bad run is one thing but several different years and different models is kinda scary.

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    Quote Originally Posted by osokolo
    because you are a liar...
    you have an axe to grind against Ellsworth for reasons that only you know... in your OT:Typical post, elsewhere on this board, you give a bit different account of some breakages.... at least you could have made an effort and lie along same lines in different messages...

    you sound awful similar to infamous steve3 who was banned from visiting this board long time ago... get a life already...

    post pics or some other proof that your statement are true... otherwise your credibility is as good as that of GWB...
    Hmm, not having pictures of bikes that aren't mine thus makes me a liar? Wow, you live in a very small minded little world.

    As for an ax to grind, why would I have one when I've A) never owned an Ellsworth and B) have never had any business dealings with Ellsworth? Doesn't make a lot of sense does it smart guy?

    Finally, why would I be banned? What have I said that's so offensive that you feel the need to launch a personal attack? I'm really curious.

    As for proof, call The Path bike shop in Tustin and ask them about an Ellsworth frame that may or may not have completely failed just this past Saturday. Given that they are very big fans of said brand, I'm quite sure if they tell you about it you'll have the proof you so desperately seek.

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    Since ages always the same useless posts...All brands have failure. Last year I witness three broken Specialized...
    The French distributor is bringing Ellsworth for more than seven years (around 500 frames) and not even ONE got broken, just one problem with a crank arm.
    However I still believe that it can happen one day, so what ????
    And don't tell me Specialized has more chances to break because they are producing a lot so proportionnally blahblabblah, yeahyeah I know the old song...

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    banned?

    who said that you should be banned - i said that you sound like a guy that was banned a while ago, exactly like him...

    even if you didnt lie about "all your friends broken Ellsworths" the way you post on this subject is pretty patological... i still think you lied though, for whatever reason. From time to time we always get characters like you who sound like a broken record and piss on the brand although never owned one of it's bikes and/or never ridden one...

    although no one here will deny issues with 2001 Truths, this is 2006 and the design has since been updated, most owners have been taken care of under lifetime warranty, why would that be an issue with today's bikes from Ellsworth? we have seen less than a handful reports about broken 2004 and newer models... certainly no more or less than of any other brand, including Turner... Didn't Turner have a design issue with one of their light frames - Burner i think? didnt they change design when they started to break at a higher rate? so what is the big deal here? i didnt hear you talking about Turner - just Ellsworth...

    all this points me in the direction that you have som kind of axe to grind against it - or you find some bodily pleasures in doing this..

    in any case, after more than FEW of your broken record posts about broken Ellsworths, you do sound like GWB on WMD in Iraq...

    flame away dude, just letting you know that you are boring and not bringing anything of substance to the table...


    Quote Originally Posted by CranxOC
    Hmm, not having pictures of bikes that aren't mine thus makes me a liar? Wow, you live in a very small minded little world.

    As for an ax to grind, why would I have one when I've A) never owned an Ellsworth and B) have never had any business dealings with Ellsworth? Doesn't make a lot of sense does it smart guy?

    Finally, why would I be banned? What have I said that's so offensive that you feel the need to launch a personal attack? I'm really curious.

    As for proof, call The Path bike shop in Tustin and ask them about an Ellsworth frame that may or may not have completely failed just this past Saturday. Given that they are very big fans of said brand, I'm quite sure if they tell you about it you'll have the proof you so desperately seek.


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    Cranx,

    I'm calling "bullchit" on your post. While I'm not denying Ellsworth had some problems in the past, it seems you may stretching the fact's a bit to support your disdain for Ellsworth. I read the (OT: Typical) thread you started on the Titus forum.Certainly seemed to be stirring the pot.

    I was a hardcore Titus guy for 6 years, owning a Loco Moto(until it was recalled for excessive breakage issues) and then a HH-100X until just recently. I now own an Epiphany and absolutley love the bike. Was I skeptical initially? Heck yes, but after doing tons of research and talking with late model Ells owners, I found the quality and customer service issues to be mostly a thing of the past. Of all the folks I've talked to in my area, not a single one has had an issue with their frame. All are on 04' models or newer. Keep in mind as well, the terrain here in the Texas Hill Country is more conducive to frame breakage than most anything you would encounter in Socal, which is another reason your claims seem to be suspect.

    Ever heard the quote "People that live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones"? I think this applys to you quite nicely. You're obviously a big Titus fan, which is cool. It has however, become very apparent that Titus is merely a shadow of it's former self when it comes to quality. I've seen more thread's on quality(paint) and frame breakage issues recently, than I ever have pre-Chris Cocalis days. Maybe it has something to do with outsourcing to TAIWAN!!!! While I still feel Titus makes great bikes, I think there quality is sub-standard compared to when Chris C. was at the helm. Only exception being the custom TI/Exogrid bikes.

    As Osokolo said, unless you can substantiate your claims with pictures, you're basically just another Troll with an axe to grind.

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    Checking out CrankxOC's profile, I do notice one thing I find to be very funny, to me anyway.
    His bike is a Specialized Stumpjumper FSR Pro Frame.

    I owned one of those. I literally broke EVERY major portion of that frame in a year and a half of ownership, and even though I liked the way it handled, even the shop had to admit it was a disaster. And I am one of those "old geezer" never pushes it, never does air, only rides on sunday's riders. And the Specialized customer service and "lifetime warranty" turned out to be cr@p. I finally paid a major chunk of change to "upgrade" into a sturdier Specialized Epic.....but thats a whole other story.

    As I said previously....With only a couple weeks of rain and snowbound ownership and a couple of rides on my Epiphany, I can't speak with vast experience on the Ellsworth durability subject. But I can say that anyone riding a Specialized Stumpjumper REALLY lives in a glass house.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RACERX70
    Cranx,

    I'm calling "bullchit" on your post. While I'm not denying Ellsworth had some problems in the past, it seems you may stretching the fact's a bit to support your disdain for Ellsworth. I read the (OT: Typical) thread you started on the Titus forum.Certainly seemed to be stirring the pot.

    I was a hardcore Titus guy for 6 years, owning a Loco Moto(until it was recalled for excessive breakage issues) and then a HH-100X until just recently. I now own an Epiphany and absolutley love the bike. Was I skeptical initially? Heck yes, but after doing tons of research and talking with late model Ells owners, I found the quality and customer service issues to be mostly a thing of the past. Of all the folks I've talked to in my area, not a single one has had an issue with their frame. All are on 04' models or newer. Keep in mind as well, the terrain here in the Texas Hill Country is more conducive to frame breakage than most anything you would encounter in Socal, which is another reason your claims seem to be suspect.

    Ever heard the quote "People that live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones"? I think this applys to you quite nicely. You're obviously a big Titus fan, which is cool. It has however, become very apparent that Titus is merely a shadow of it's former self when it comes to quality. I've seen more thread's on quality(paint) and frame breakage issues recently, than I ever have pre-Chris Cocalis days. Maybe it has something to do with outsourcing to TAIWAN!!!! While I still feel Titus makes great bikes, I think there quality is sub-standard compared to when Chris C. was at the helm. Only exception being the custom TI/Exogrid bikes.

    As Osokolo said, unless you can substantiate your claims with pictures, you're basically just another Troll with an axe to grind.

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    First, I'm one of the people who have/had paint issues with Titus (you can search through the old threads and you'll probably find that I have much more of an "ax to grind" with them than I could possibly have with Ellsworth). I'm still waiting for the final resolution on the paint thing several months after the fact. Titus has made certain assurances so I'm content for now.

    As for the quality of Titus bikes since Chris left; allow me to correct you there: The paint issue - the last major issue with Titus - was one that occurred well before he left. Beyond that one there have been few others and it's virtually impossible to say that there has been any change in anything since Chris C left since his departure was only a couple of months ago which means there hasn't even been enough time for the bikes that were built under his watch to be fully cleared out of inventory.

    To your point about my post on the Titus boards, when that's why I didn't post it here; it was inflammatory and would have stirred the pot unnecessarily therefore I left it in the Titus forum and have made no mention of it.

    Finally, I knew at the drafting of my first post on this forum that the conversation would likely digress to this name-calling, third grade crap which doesn't seem to make a lot of sense to me. If you disagree with my opinion of the company, fine, however, I'm simply relating to you my personal experience with this particular company. Maybe it's unique, maybe I'm simply "bad juju" for Ellsworth frames but, for whatever reason (as I've said several times), the only three people I know who ride Ellsworths have had them break. I'm not sure why that has to be false, BS or anything else; can't it just be true?

    Sorry I don't have pictures. I don't carry a camera with me everywhere I go and the most recent frame breakage was dropped off to The Path within an hour after the fact.

    Oh, and BTW, I don't believe you ever ridden in SoCal if you believe our trails out here are "not conducive to frame breakage." Believe me, there are several places to shatter a frame.

    Quote Originally Posted by osokolo
    who said that you should be banned - i said that you sound like a guy that was banned a while ago, exactly like him...

    even if you didnt lie about "all your friends broken Ellsworths" the way you post on this subject is pretty patological... i still think you lied though, for whatever reason. From time to time we always get characters like you who sound like a broken record and piss on the brand although never owned one of it's bikes and/or never ridden one...

    although no one here will deny issues with 2001 Truths, this is 2006 and the design has since been updated, most owners have been taken care of under lifetime warranty, why would that be an issue with today's bikes from Ellsworth? we have seen less than a handful reports about broken 2004 and newer models... certainly no more or less than of any other brand, including Turner... Didn't Turner have a design issue with one of their light frames - Burner i think? didnt they change design when they started to break at a higher rate? so what is the big deal here? i didnt hear you talking about Turner - just Ellsworth...

    all this points me in the direction that you have som kind of axe to grind against it - or you find some bodily pleasures in doing this..

    in any case, after more than FEW of your broken record posts about broken Ellsworths, you do sound like GWB on WMD in Iraq...

    flame away dude, just letting you know that you are boring and not bringing anything of substance to the table...
    "Even if [I] didn't lie..." you still think I lied? How does that make any sense? My reason for posting is very simple: Ellsworth's bikes scare me and I would love to see them produce a quality product for an extended period of time because I like the ICT but can't justify shelling out money for a bike I'm afraid might literally kill me.

    As for Turner, yes, their Nitrous bikes break but those moronic bikes are, quite literally built to break. They have a 165lbs weight limit and are really only meant to be used for one season and Turner tells the buyer all of this before they buy it so it's very much a "you've been warned" situation. In that case, the buyer has no one to blame but themselves as they knew, or reasonably should have known, what they were getting in the first place.

    Beyond that, I don't believe Turner's had any other quality issues (BTW, not a big fan of Turner either. No problem with their builds, I just hate the way they ride).




    Oh, and one more thing, I don't ride a Spesh, I ride a MotoLite. I got rid of the Spesh about a year ago.
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    I just thought of one more thing: Maybe the "ax" I'm grinding here is over the fact that I would probably like to have enough confidence in Ellsworth to put it on my list for a potential race bike (Racer X, Spark, Epic and Blur LT are there now) but, given it's issues, I can't reasonably justify doing so.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CranxOC

    Oh, and one more thing, I don't ride a Spesh, I ride a MotoLite. I got rid of the Spesh about a year ago.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CranxOC
    First, I'm one of the people who have/had paint issues with Titus (you can search through the old threads and you'll probably find that I have much more of an "ax to grind" with them than I could possibly have with Ellsworth). I'm still waiting for the final resolution on the paint thing several months after the fact. Titus has made certain assurances so I'm content for now.

    As for the quality of Titus bikes since Chris left; allow me to correct you there: The paint issue - the last major issue with Titus - was one that occurred well before he left. Beyond that one there have been few others and it's virtually impossible to say that there has been any change in anything since Chris C left since his departure was only a couple of months ago which means there hasn't even been enough time for the bikes that were built under his watch to be fully cleared out of inventory.

    To your point about my post on the Titus boards, when that's why I didn't post it here; it was inflammatory and would have stirred the pot unnecessarily therefore I left it in the Titus forum and have made no mention of it.

    Finally, I knew at the drafting of my first post on this forum that the conversation would likely digress to this name-calling, third grade crap which doesn't seem to make a lot of sense to me. If you disagree with my opinion of the company, fine, however, I'm simply relating to you my personal experience with this particular company. Maybe it's unique, maybe I'm simply "bad juju" for Ellsworth frames but, for whatever reason (as I've said several times), the only three people I know who ride Ellsworths have had them break. I'm not sure why that has to be false, BS or anything else; can't it just be true?

    Sorry I don't have pictures. I don't carry a camera with me everywhere I go and the most recent frame breakage was dropped off to The Path within an hour after the fact.

    Oh, and BTW, I don't believe you ever ridden in SoCal if you believe our trails out here are "not conducive to frame breakage." Believe me, there are several places to shatter a frame.



    "Even if [I] didn't lie..." you still think I lied? How does that make any sense? My reason for posting is very simple: Ellsworth's bikes scare me and I would love to see them produce a quality product for an extended period of time because I like the ICT but can't justify shelling out money for a bike I'm afraid might literally kill me.

    As for Turner, yes, their Nitrous bikes break but those moronic bikes are, quite literally built to break. They have a 165lbs weight limit and are really only meant to be used for one season and Turner tells the buyer all of this before they buy it so it's very much a "you've been warned" situation. In that case, the buyer has no one to blame but themselves as they knew, or reasonably should have known, what they were getting in the first place.

    Beyond that, I don't believe Turner's had any other quality issues (BTW, not a big fan of Turner either. No problem with their builds, I just hate the way they ride).




    Oh, and one more thing, I don't ride a Spesh, I ride a MotoLite. I got rid of the Spesh about a year ago.

    A simple check of your IP address is all thats needed. What you say here you are accountable for. You made some very serious allegations about a company, I hope for your sake you can back all this up. Although you seem to be backpedaling very fast now. As I said before, Ellsworth are producing some stunning bikes, which seems to be upsetting a sad minority.

    To quote "I'm simply relating to you my personal experience with this particular company"

    But you've never owned an Ellsworth?

    Also as someone else pointed out, your post on here seems to differ from the one on the Titus board. At least be consistent.

    Anyway, I'm about to go ride (according to you) my deathtrap.

    See you soon, hopefully.....

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    way to go bro...

    i couldnt have said it better...



    Quote Originally Posted by RACERX70
    Cranx,

    I'm calling "bullchit" on your post. While I'm not denying Ellsworth had some problems in the past, it seems you may stretching the fact's a bit to support your disdain for Ellsworth. I read the (OT: Typical) thread you started on the Titus forum.Certainly seemed to be stirring the pot.

    I was a hardcore Titus guy for 6 years, owning a Loco Moto(until it was recalled for excessive breakage issues) and then a HH-100X until just recently. I now own an Epiphany and absolutley love the bike. Was I skeptical initially? Heck yes, but after doing tons of research and talking with late model Ells owners, I found the quality and customer service issues to be mostly a thing of the past. Of all the folks I've talked to in my area, not a single one has had an issue with their frame. All are on 04' models or newer. Keep in mind as well, the terrain here in the Texas Hill Country is more conducive to frame breakage than most anything you would encounter in Socal, which is another reason your claims seem to be suspect.

    Ever heard the quote "People that live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones"? I think this applys to you quite nicely. You're obviously a big Titus fan, which is cool. It has however, become very apparent that Titus is merely a shadow of it's former self when it comes to quality. I've seen more thread's on quality(paint) and frame breakage issues recently, than I ever have pre-Chris Cocalis days. Maybe it has something to do with outsourcing to TAIWAN!!!! While I still feel Titus makes great bikes, I think there quality is sub-standard compared to when Chris C. was at the helm. Only exception being the custom TI/Exogrid bikes.

    As Osokolo said, unless you can substantiate your claims with pictures, you're basically just another Troll with an axe to grind.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zakster
    A simple check of your IP address is all thats needed. What you say here you are accountable for. You made some very serious allegations about a company, I hope for your sake you can back all this up. Although you seem to be backpedaling very fast now. As I said before, Ellsworth are producing some stunning bikes, which seems to be upsetting a sad minority.

    To quote "I'm simply relating to you my personal experience with this particular company"

    But you've never owned an Ellsworth?

    Also as someone else pointed out, your post on here seems to differ from the one on the Titus board. At least be consistent.

    Anyway, I'm about to go ride (according to you) my deathtrap.

    See you soon, hopefully.....
    First, why would I put the same post here as I did on the Titus board? My purpose here was not to be inflammatory in the same sense therefore, it would make absolutely no sense for me to draft a similar post. Now, if I were simply trolling for responses, I would have made that post here; I didn't so try giving me some friggin' credit.

    To your point about the IP address; is that some sort of veiled threat? I'm not sure what you're trying to accomplish but, there is a very simple defense to accusations of libel, defamation, slander, etc and it's called truth. In other words, Ellsworth would have absolutely zero cause for action against me since, well, they know about their broken frames so what are they going to do?

    I'm arguing in circles here. Personally, I don't know any of you so I could give a crap if you believe me I know the truth and that's all that really matters so enjoy riding your bikes, I hope they don't disintegrate.

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    Here's the same post i posted on the titus board regarding your little rant about Ells...
    I personally have beat my Ellsworth Epiphany to Hell and back with quite a few 100 mile adventure race's and it comes out with a smile wanting more..I switch between it and my Rx100 depending on the terrain..mostly in WV, Va,UT and NC. My personal experience with Ellsworth CS so far has been excellent....i wouldn't hesitate a moment to purchase another one.

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    whay are you guys....

    ....coming down so hard on CranxOC?

    seems to me like he's just presenting an honest account of his personal experiences. He already said that he has not owned an Ellsworth, but based on his aquaintances' experiences with broken bikes, he has a hard time trusting them.

    I have the same problem with Specialized. A couple years back, one of my friends had a problem with cracking chainstays on the FSR. In fact, in one year there were 7 broken chainstay claims in all of Canada (according to the warranty rep that he dealt with). Out of those 7, he was responsible for 5. The first thought is that he was mistreating the bikes. However he is not heavy (170), and he rides light, on technical singletrack...no jumps, no drops, no crashes etc.... just a freak anomaly. I have no concrete proof of this. Though i have seen the cracks (in fact i found one of them), i have no pictures. Does this make me a liar? Am i trying to flame Specialized when i say. based on my friend's experience, that i now (subconsciousely) question their products?

    its nice that you are all so protective of your favorite brand, Ellsworth. I may not believe everythign CranxOC says either, some of certainly is inflamatory and i dont agree with. But when you treat people this way, you are acting like childish schoolyard bullies.

    I personally, value others' experiences, negative or positive. If you dont believe what someone says, fine, thats your choice. But what makes you judge and jury? What about the most basic concepts of democratic justice....innocent till proven guilty?

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    Quote Originally Posted by thumbies
    ....coming down so hard on CranxOC?

    its nice that you are all so protective of your favorite brand, Ellsworth. I may not believe everythign CranxOC says either, some of certainly is inflamatory and i dont agree with. But when you treat people this way, you are acting like childish schoolyard bullies.

    I personally, value others' experiences, negative or positive. If you dont believe what someone says, fine, thats your choice. But what makes you judge and jury? What about the most basic concepts of democratic justice....innocent till proven guilty?

    my $0.02, Thumbies
    I think it has to do with what he posted in the Titus forum first. Read that and you'll see.

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    CrancOC, firstly get over yourself, secondly you don't own an Ells so get over it.

    It's statements like this that you put on the Titus board ....

    "I'm just constantly amazed by the fact that so many people continue to buy bikes from this company. I suppose many consumers really just don't take the time to read up on the volumes and volumes of information that exists on the internet before making a purchase. Too many times people just let themselves be sold on something based upon the recommendation of a salesperson who will most likely not have the rider's best interest in mind."

    Pathetic statement. A general sweeping statement about riders and salespeople that you don't know. So after my nearly 20 years of MTB'ing I know nothing about purchasing a bike. The IP is not a threat, it's telling you that you are accountable about what you say on a public forum. I wouldn't be too impressed if somebody was talking about my company producing deathtraps - which is basically what your saying.

    Grow up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by osokolo
    although no one here will deny issues with 2001 Truths.
    you forgot other truths, Ids, Jokers, other ISIS designs, etc...

    You're also wrong that "most owners were taken care of". The proper sentance is, "currently, owners of these frames are taken care of". Prior to the "new" attitude at ellsworth, they were screwed over, to put it simply. The problem of course is no one knows if the "screwing over" will start up again, if ever. It's a chance that some people don't feel is worth it to take.
    "It's only when you stand over it, you know, when you physically stand over the bike, that then you say 'hey, I don't have much stand over height', you know"-T. Ellsworth

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    a horror...

    Quote Originally Posted by Jayem
    you forgot other truths, Ids, Jokers, other ISIS designs, etc...

    You're also wrong that "most owners were taken care of". The proper sentance is, "currently, owners of these frames are taken care of". Prior to the "new" attitude at ellsworth, they were screwed over, to put it simply. The problem of course is no one knows if the "screwing over" will start up again, if ever. It's a chance that some people don't feel is worth it to take.
    here comes Jayem, self-declared Ellsworth apologist...

    who really cares... IT IS ABOUT THE RIDE, not about the bike... it doesnt matter what one rides, as long as we ride... so let's quit this nonsense... it is boring...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jayem
    you forgot other truths, Ids, Jokers, other ISIS designs, etc...

    You're also wrong that "most owners were taken care of". The proper sentance is, "currently, owners of these frames are taken care of". Prior to the "new" attitude at ellsworth, they were screwed over, to put it simply. The problem of course is no one knows if the "screwing over" will start up again, if ever. It's a chance that some people don't feel is worth it to take.

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    3 years on my truth. It has never let me down, rides great and I am thinking of getting another Ellsworth. I have been riding for 20 years and I can say in that time I have ridden loads of bikes as I have also spent 10 years in the bike trade. I am not sucked in by marketing hype or fast talking from a salesman. I genuinely believe my truth is the nicest bike of its type in the market.

    I am not going to slag off any other brands as everyone has their own opinion about what works for them and what doesn't. An Ellsworth isn't for everyone, but it sure is for me. No manufacturer is perfect and things do go wrong for all of them at some point.

    Just stop arguing and go ride.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hopster
    3 years on my truth. It has never let me down, rides great and I am thinking of getting another Ellsworth. I have been riding for 20 years and I can say in that time I have ridden loads of bikes as I have also spent 10 years in the bike trade. I am not sucked in by marketing hype or fast talking from a salesman. I genuinely believe my truth is the nicest bike of its type in the market.

    I am not going to slag off any other brands as everyone has their own opinion about what works for them and what doesn't. An Ellsworth isn't for everyone, but it sure is for me. No manufacturer is perfect and things do go wrong for all of them at some point.

    Just stop arguing and go ride.

    Well said Hopster. Just go out and enjoy your ride.

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    New question here. time to ride?

    Quote Originally Posted by hopster
    3 years on my truth. It has never let me down, rides great and I am thinking of getting another Ellsworth. I have been riding for 20 years and I can say in that time I have ridden loads of bikes as I have also spent 10 years in the bike trade. I am not sucked in by marketing hype or fast talking from a salesman. I genuinely believe my truth is the nicest bike of its type in the market.

    I am not going to slag off any other brands as everyone has their own opinion about what works for them and what doesn't. An Ellsworth isn't for everyone, but it sure is for me. No manufacturer is perfect and things do go wrong for all of them at some point.

    Just stop arguing and go ride.
    Well said!!!!

    I am new on the mtbr forums and I must say I am mystified with the amount of EFFORT people actually put into bashing brands of bikes they are not riding themselves.

    I was sort of expecting it to be more like "We are all mtn bikers just having fun and here is info to find and keep running the bike that makes YOU grin the most."

    Geez....I think I'll go back to my Honda Element Owners forum where anyone that gets heavy either gets ignored or driven out. I come away from THAT forum feeling good and usually learning stuff.
    Live in the moment.
    YMMV

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    Good job! Here she is...

    Fat Tire Festival in Fruita Colorado should be fun this year!!!
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    First ride this past week, all I can say is wow!! Not sure if it's the geometry of the Ellsworth frame or what it is, all I know is it climbs like a wonder, I was very impressed !! Fruita Fat Tire festival should be a great time this year...
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    Nice bike.
    Please let me know your seize and which frame-size you took?
    Specs?

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    Quote Originally Posted by seibukan
    Nice bike.
    Please let me know your seize and which frame-size you took?
    Specs?
    185 pounds and 6'2", 19" frame. My very first time on the bike it fit like a glove, I felt like I had been riding it for years...

    And a quote from a previous poster "climbs like a rat up a drain pipe" is the drop dead truth!!! I was truly amazed on how well it climbs - better than my hard tail by far, whether it is due to the Ellsworth's geometry I don't know all I know is I love the performance of this bike...
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    Hey co_biker

    First of all, nice bike At 6' 2" your pushing the upper end of a 19" frame. Did you ever consider the 21" frame? What's your inseam? My journey to an Epiphany paralleled yours time wise and at 6'1"+, 35"+ inseam and 205-210 without gear, I just felt cramped on the 19" that I test rode. I rolled the dice, ordered a 21" in green and I'm lovin' it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by woulde
    First of all, nice bike At 6' 2" your pushing the upper end of a 19" frame. Did you ever consider the 21" frame? What's your inseam? My journey to an Epiphany paralleled yours time wise and at 6'1"+, 35"+ inseam and 205-210 without gear, I just felt cramped on the 19" that I test rode. I rolled the dice, ordered a 21" in green and I'm lovin' it.
    Thanks! My inseam is 32.. My last bike was a 20" and it felt big that's why I went with a 19. Going to be a great summer!!

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