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    Ellsworth moment sst.2 build

    Hey all, just built up my new moment sst.2. It's been a long wait since interbike. Couldn't be much happier with the bike and I honestly feel it was worth the wait. Took it out for a ride on Thursday here in southern California-I know the winters are horrible here when it's 70 out.

    Size large frame came out to 30.1 lbs (without pedals) without being weight conscious on the build-could definitely drop some weight if I had chosen lighter components.

    The team at Ellsworth treated me great and I really love this bike. It is the first and only (for now) gunmetal gray sst.2 moment.

    For those of you still waiting for your pre-orders hang in there. The team at Ellsworth has had a huge demand for the new bikes and are getting them out as fast as they can.
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    Sweet bike. The color really changes with the light

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    Nice build. May want to level out that saddle ir kiss your "taint" goodbye.

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    love it. ( apart from the long stem) . pretty good weight for an xt build too.

    V nice bike indeed

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    Thanks for the comments. The seat was fixed before riding. I value my special areas as well- photos were with the iphone straight out of the car.
    The stem was switched out to 65 mm sunline stem. I liked the longer stem for pure x country but was long for descending.

    Just have to convert to Stans and add the adjustable seatpost tomorrow.

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    That sounds just about perfect. it is a great build. Makes me want to rush ahead and order a moment but I am still waiting to see if it is the FR180 I want when it is released.. If I go for the FR180 then I will down size to an ephinany for my trail bike.

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    30.1 lb is really good for a Moment with a dhx air.. Can you give us the parts spec please?

    Also as you have an iphone, if you have an app for measuring angles can you tell us the head angle and also the BB height?

    That would be very useful to prospective buyers.

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    It's a bit of an eclectic build. I prefer sram shifters and deraileurs but prefer shimano brakes and cranks. I know that's a bad thing to some of the purists out there, but I built it to what I enjoy, plus as a large guy (6'2" 225) I am scared of carbon fiber cranks. Here is the build for those of you interested when I weighed it at 30.1 lbs.-
    Large sst.2 moment frame
    Fox 36 TALAS
    Fox DH5 Air
    XT cranks
    XTR brakes
    Sram x.0 shifters
    Sram x.9 deraileurs-ripped off my share of rears and like the less expensive ones
    Sram X.0 cassette
    Loaded integrated headset and spacers
    Thomson 90mm stem-Now changed to sunline 65 mm
    Thomson seatpost-Now changed to X-fusion HILO
    WTB silverado saddle
    Loaded carbon fiber x-lite bar
    Loaded AM wheelset-the AMx are lighter but I have bent a few rims....
    Nevegal 2.3 tires with -now tubeless

    The head angle and BB height are listed on Ellsworth's webpage as 68 degrees and 14 inches. I'll measure it on my own later-if I can find an app for that. I'll let you know if it's any different when I get a chance to measure.

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    Can you post new picks and a review oh the Hilo seatpost? I am interested in getting this post for my Moment. Thx.

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    Hey everyone, sorry for not replying earlier but I was out of town the last few days. I will post some pics of the seatpost as requested later this week, most likely Friday.

    There have been several reviews of the HILO which are posted in the forums if you search for it but here are my two cents on the HILO as has been requested. This is the first adjustable seatpost I have used and unfortunately I can't compare it to other posts. I chose the HILO for the hydraulic action with infinite adjustability and the price- less than $180 shipped is hard to beat.

    The seatpost drops quickly and rises quickly for the first 3-3.5 inches of it's 4 inch travel. The last inch to half inch of seems to take a bit longer to reach full extension. No side to side play noted and the post feels solid. The adjustment switch is easy to use, doesn't take up much room on the bars and didn't add too much to the clutter. My biggest complaint is with the actual saddle mount itself. The seat is held in place with a single transverse bolt that requires a bit of cranking to get tight enough that the saddle doesn't move around. I switched out a few saddles over the weekend of riding and it works with all of those I tried. Once the bolt is tightened sufficiently I didn't notice any movement or problems and the saddle felt solid, but as I said it did require cranking down the bolt a bit. Not sure about the long term durability of the seatpost but the first weekend was great and I would happily recommend it, especially for the low price as compared to all other adjustable seatposts which run around $300. Overall, I am really happy with it and it made a big difference on my rides the ability to change the height quickly and reliably was a huge bonus.

    By the way, everytime I ride the Moment, I love it more and I can't recommend the bike highly enough. I heart it big time.

    Let me know if you any more specific questions.

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    Thx for the review. It is always helpful to hear another review, you can never have to many reviews.

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    Always happy to share my opinion, especially if it helps you with your decision on what to add to your ride. I'll post up some pics soon so you can check out what it looks like on the moment.

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    Went to ride on Friday and get some pics of the HILO seatpost for those of you interested but it dumped rain on Friday and Saturday here in SoCal. I know it isn't nearly as problematic as snow like many of you have to deal with but it does make it a bit more difficult to get out in the mud. Anyhow, finally got out on Monday and snapped some pics with the iphone. Sorry the seat is chopped off a bit on some of the shots, looked like it fit in the frame when I snapped them. The control to drop the post doesn't clutter up the cockpit too much. Enjoying the seatpost and the bike a lot, especially the bike. One unexpected benefit was the ability to drop the post and sit on the bike while I waited for my wife to catch up then quickly extend it to pedal when it was time to pedal.
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    Nice

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    Thanks for the pics. Looks good.

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    @ kendalli: very nice Moment! Did you find out more about the headangle? Thanks in advance.

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    Where did you get the grip clamps ?

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    they grips (including lock rings)are on the ells website and all dealers supply them

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    Hey guys. Out of town for a few days and din't see the post until this AM. I measured the headtube angle with an iphone app. It is right about 67 degrees. The app anly gave measurements in whole numbers so I couldn't give anything more specific to the decimal place. The tapered headset also makes it a bit more difficult to be accurate with an iphone measurement since the bottom flares out a bit. I'll have to see if I can find anything more accurate to better measure it.

    By the way, I broke down and put the ellsworth titanium bolt kit on the moment and it definitely feels lighter. My scale is broken right now so it'll be a bit before I can actually measure any weight savings, but I am pretty happy with the upgrade.

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    head angle is a bit of a misnomer, what determines the geometrical handling is the angle the forks are presented to the ground,. it is called the steering axis angle and normally matches the steerertube and therefore headangle. On some forks (pace for example) the fork blades are presented at an angle to the crown.
    If you think about the angleset headsets, the frame itself (and therefore the headtube) is actually steeper, while the forks themselves are presented at a slacker angle. A bit like a triangle opening up. Hence why the seatube gets steeper and the wheelbase gets longer.

    If you want a true reading of the angles place your iphone on the lower fork leg.

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    Another SST.2 Custom moment 28.4 LBS currently

    I love Kendali's Moment but wanted to share some pictures of mine, the color is a one of a kind... I may have some connections at Ellsworth. Don't call Ells and ask for a Raw they WON'T do it for you, unless it is a momentum, and repeated questions to Ellsworth about this post most likely means deleting it and not being able to share it. I have a Ti bolt kit on here and RC3 monarch and a Lyric on the front. Full X0 build accept for an XX cassette. I weighed it without pedals today and then photographed it, it comes in at 28.4 lbs if you don't beleive me I will photo the scale. Tomorrow i am meeting with cadence works to switch out every bolt they have in stock to Aluminum or Ti so it should save some more weight,

    Really want to to find a super light 60, 65 or 70 mm stem in black suggestions?
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    Why do Ells never offer custom painted stays.? I think the bikes would look nicer with the stays matching the mainframe colours.

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    Thanks for the tip on the head tube angle. Honestly hadn't thought of just measuring the fork since that just probably made too much sense. Remeasuring using the front fork as the reference point gives the listed 68 degrees. But again the iphone only offers whole numbers and no decimal places so the real measurement may be slightly off from the measured 68 degrees.

    And the raw moment is sure pretty. Love the blue rocker. I'll have to reweigh mine soon with titanium bolts and other small upgrades. Of course with the dropper seatpost (totally worth a bit of extra weight) and heavier rims I don't think I'll quite hit sub 29 pounds without hitting a prohibitive cost/weight ratio. Still, In my opinion the current build rides better than anything I've been on ever before and I couldn't be happier with it.

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    NEED ADVICE- moment or epiphany

    I noticed many ellsworth moment riders use platform pedals, not clipless. I think I want a moment over the epiphany since I do more all mountain riding, however I ride terrain that lets me utilize clipless pedals (I still classify my riding as all mountain). Why do people use platform pedals instead of clipless on the moment?

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    Quote Originally Posted by mgeurin
    I noticed many ellsworth moment riders use platform pedals, not clipless. I think I want a moment over the epiphany since I do more all mountain riding, however I ride terrain that lets me utilize clipless pedals (I still classify my riding as all mountain). Why do people use platform pedals instead of clipless on the moment?
    There is no technical reason, pedals do not effect the suspension action in anyway.

    it is just personal prefference. The Moment tends to be used by riders looking for more adventurous biking erring towards big mountain riding or free ride side of all mountain and they have a personal preference for flat pedals for this kind of more technical riding.

    I swap between flats and clipless quite often. i just prefer flats for some rides and clip ins for others

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    should I get a moment or epiphany?

    I ride all maountain terrain, epually up and down, I would probably rarely ride terrain that requires platform pedals. I could use the longer travel on the momemt, but would I be better off with the lighter weight of an epiphany? Or is there not a big difference in climbing? If not a big difference in climbing I would love the versality of the moment???

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    To be honest, I switch back and forth between flats and clipless depending on what trail I am riding. Right now I have XTR pedals on the moment to ride the backbone trail in the Santa Monica mountains. As Nsynk said, I decide what pedal I am using depending on the current trail and conditions. I have done everything from pure cross country to downhill on the moment and I get excited every time I take it out. It is an amazing bike.
    I thought hard about the epiphany and ame close to ordering one but the moment had more versatility with the six inches of travel without major weight penalties. In fact, I saved a bit of weight penalty going to the moment because I was able to fit a Large frame instead of an XL epiphany. Having demoed the epiphany, it rides really well and is a great bike but I chose the moment exactly because of the versatilty. While it's all pretty subjective, I really didn't notice much of a trade off when pedaling the moment even on long climbs. Either bike is great andI don't think you could go wrong. You just have to figure out what type of riding you are really going to do with the bike.

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    I have actually just ordered an SST2 Epi on account of the moment is overkill for most of my riding. In terms of travel the new Epi is close to the previous model moments. so travel is not an issue. I have specced it with an angleset headset so I can match the angles of the Moment but achieve a lower BB.

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    thanks for the advice

    I decided to get the moment. Can't wait!

    Thanks.

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    I used to own a Moment and think the new bikes look great. I just can't understand though why they haven't gone to 30.9 for the seatpost. To bring the bike bang up to date it needs to be able to take a Reverb and an x12 rear axle would be nice too.

    My curent bike has a 27.2 post and although i am fairly happy with the Gravitydropper, i would not buy another frame with the same size. It would be a deal breaker for me.
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    What is a 27.2 seat post

    What is the benefit of a 27.2 seatpost? What is a Reverb? I am assuming the benefit of a x12 rear axle is strength? Would you be able to add the x12 axle after market?

    Thanks.

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    27.2 mm tubes flex more and have less choice of after market dropper seatposts. the reverb is a dropper seatpost, probably the best one but it is not available in 27.2mm.

    The choice of 27.2mm dropper post is quite limited, especially if you want layback too.

    I too think a proper bolt through rear axle would have been a good idea

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    Hi kendalli I was wondering how tall you are and how the Large frame fits.

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    Sorry for the delay in responding-I don't check the forum every day. To answer your question, I am 6'2". I am in between the L and XL moment but I preferred the feel of the smaller frame and lower weight of the L and chose that. Honestly after a few months of riding, I feel it fits me perfect and I have enjoyed every thing from cross country to downhill. I have nothing but great things to say about the way the bike fits me and if I built another bike I would do it the exact same way. Of course fit is so individual that the only to find out how it fits you is to go and demo the bike if possible to see what fits you best.

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    My Moment rocks! I have been riding like there is no tomorrow! The best bike I have ever ridden.

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    Whoa! That is one sweet ride!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nsynk View Post
    Why do Ells never offer custom painted stays.? I think the bikes would look nicer with the stays matching the mainframe colours.

    couldn't agree more. had mine custom painted to match. can't rock the two tone. matching fork, when possible, makes the difference too.

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    Did anyone read the review in Dirt MountainBike Magezine? They did not give the Moment that great of a review. I feel they were off with some of the opinions they had. They said it was not a good climber, They had it set up with a 1x10???

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    Interesting. I have my Moment set up as a 1x9 and I climb all day long. A review is just one guy's opinion.....to each his own.
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    Actually Steve Jones is a tester who's opinion I would really rate, especially for downhill or Enduro (European style) DH. As for 1 x10 Steve is currently in a cross alps endurance race with around 3000 ft of climbing per day and timed downhill sections, he chose a Spec Enduro set up 1 x 10,

    On the Dirt forum Billy, another tester in the magazine when asked about the moment said that he "loved it"

    The reviews critcism does basicaly centre around the bike not being good for "trail centres" as it is not a good climber but also praises the workmanship and handling. Steve really rated the moment for its downhill ability.

    Steve's favourite 160mm bike is the Orange 160 and he did not choose that bike for his alpine stage race either, again because of poor climbing ability.

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    i couldn't imagine anything more hellish than what you described this steve jones guy is doing. endurances racing is beyond me. i respect the guys that do it, but jeezus christ who gives a sh1t?! what average joe has that kind of time and who among us is using their bike for 3,000 feet of climbing every day....for a week straight....in the friggin' alps? it just sounds like another review that doesn't help a regular person making a buying decision on a high end bike. is it cool to hear what bike this guy picked for that retarded race? yes. but then again, who cares?
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    Nsynk, you sound like you know your stuff. Thanks. I have a moment and I feel that I am an intense rider that does all day all-mountain riding. I really researched the Moment to make sure that it was the right bike for me. I was surprised when it had a mediocre review, especially since I spent a ton of money. I still love the bike and cimb and decend crazy stuff with it in the Northeastern PA Mountains region.

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    Every one has a personal opinion and has elements of a bikes character that they prefer. Personally I loved my Moment as I love my Epi now.

    The Moment was a great bike for events like the Passportes du Soleil or Mondial Du VTT but I found it overkill for the trail centre riding I mostly used it for. and that was where Steve Jones was testing. I think he might have had a different opinion if he had taken it to an event like these but he takes a Lappierre Zesty (140mm) for that sort of thing..

    If my riding was predominently in the Alps at bike parks with uplift for the biggest climbs but trails that were were not suited to a downhill bike as such, then the Moment would be my choice. Especially now that you can adjust the angles with an angleset.

    I quite liked the Orange 160 I hired ( I snapped my Elsworth's rear hanger and did not take a spare so hired the Orange) but the Orange while definitely fast was not plush. I felt beaten up at the end of two days.

    My Epi is set up 1 x 10 and for seated technical climbing it is great, I have built it up a resonable weight, (27lb) which definitely helps on the climbs. My Moment was 33lb and was a slog to climb on, it could have been built lighter of course.

    Like you, mgeurin, I researched and tested bikes before investing and I liked some of the bikes I tested (Trek, and Lappierre especially) but I just prefered the feel of the ICT. Maybe I am just used to it but it certainly suits my riding style of seated smooth climbing and aggressive downhilling.

    I rather liked Steve Jones comments about pointing it downhill and bashing the S%*T out of it because it handles so well. Thats what I want in a bike.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mgeurin View Post
    I was surprised when it had a mediocre review, especially since I spent a ton of money. I still love the bike and cimb and decend crazy stuff with it in the Northeastern PA Mountains region.
    The second sentence in the quote above is key. The only thing that matters is how you feel about the bike. You did your homework and picked the right bike for you. You won.

    Some of the gear I use is considered awful by some. It doesn't change the size of the smile I get from using that gear.

    I wouldn't look back.

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    Quote Originally Posted by meneone View Post
    i couldn't imagine anything more hellish than what you described this steve jones guy is doing. endurances racing is beyond me. i respect the guys that do it, but jeezus christ who gives a sh1t?! what average joe has that kind of time and who among us is using their bike for 3,000 feet of climbing every day....for a week straight....in the friggin' alps? it just sounds like another review that doesn't help a regular person making a buying decision on a high end bike. is it cool to hear what bike this guy picked for that retarded race? yes. but then again, who cares?

    Who cares?
    GT Trek Specialised Lapierre Scot Santa Cruz Mondraker Orange Cannondale Pivot intense commencal etc etc

    They all have riders at the Trans Provence and all make bikes in the 160mm all mountain category that are designed for just this type of event.

    So do Ellsworth, so they must care too

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    I have a 3x10 shimano xt set-up, and I guess my question is how are all of you climbing with one front chain ring? Sometimes I need my medium and small rings to get up stuff? Am I missing something? I ride up some pretty steep stuff, I do not think I could do it with a 1x10. I understand that many are going to a 1x10, but I do not get it...

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    Quote Originally Posted by mgeurin View Post
    I have a 3x10 shimano xt set-up, and I guess my question is how are all of you climbing with one front chain ring? Sometimes I need my medium and small rings to get up stuff? Am I missing something? I ride up some pretty steep stuff, I do not think I could do it with a 1x10. I understand that many are going to a 1x10, but I do not get it...
    I was running 2 x 10 on my Moment 26 36 rings with an 12 - 34 cassette.
    I used Sheldon Browns gear ratio calculator to determine my spread of ratios (google sheldon Brown).

    Once I knew that I worked out the best equivalent with an 11 - 36 10 speed and settled on a 32 tooth front ring. I have lost a little on the high end and a little on the low end but have a useable range of gears. For trail riding I don't find I need much else.

    If you consider singlespeeders are doing the same trails with one ratio (normally 32 x16) 1 x 10 suddenly looks like a whole range of gears.

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    Just to finish off the Dirt review debate can i quote the final paragraph -

    "it's a gem in many respects and scores where many frames fall flat on their faces-manufacturing quality being one. It probably leans more to the gravity side of all mountain than trail, has a perfect low standover for all action riding, comes with amazing colour options plus the quality, craftmanship and detail that are all for real. The Moment has stood the test of time and in that respect, relative to the competition, it is money well spent."

    Enough said I think

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    Quote Originally Posted by mgeurin View Post
    I have a 3x10 shimano xt set-up, and I guess my question is how are all of you climbing with one front chain ring? Sometimes I need my medium and small rings to get up stuff? Am I missing something? I ride up some pretty steep stuff, I do not think I could do it with a 1x10. I understand that many are going to a 1x10, but I do not get it...
    Strong legs and good wind. Just stop using your granny gears. Over the course of months or weeks (depending how often and how long you ride / practice) you'll realize that a 1x9 (32t ring up front) is actually all you need for 99% of the terrain out there. Extended climbs included.
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