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    Can't we all just get along?

    I was fortunate to be able to get off work early and do a ride with my buddy JR today. It's such a blast to be riding when you are usually working! It was also my maiden ride on the new Moment and can be summed up with one word - awesome! My buddy was on his RFX. I've included some pics just to prove that the E's and the T's can get along (even if the T's aren't 110% efficient).
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    Gosh DARN is that pink!!!!



    I dare you to post those pics on the TURNER board.

    I triple dawg dare ya.

    Moment looks even better in the sun.

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    Nice.

    I know that feeling


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    Yeah, that pink really pops out in the sun. That Turner is really an Ellsworth anyway...check the rear!

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    Quote Originally Posted by chad1433
    Yeah, that pink really pops out in the sun. That Turner is really an Ellsworth anyway...check the rear!

    Sharp eye! His RFX is a Horst-link model (pre-TNT). So, I guess you are technically correct (although JR will never admit to riding a bike influenced by the dark side ).
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    Dude, that Moment looks like a labia.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sactojesse
    Dude, that Moment looks like a labia.

    Thanks, Jes. Coming from you, that's a compliment! How's your new Moment - now that you've gotten it dirty?
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    Quote Originally Posted by sactojesse
    Dude, that Moment looks like a labia.
    Thanks, a guy needs a good laugh first thing in the morning... I almost filled my keyboard with coffee (through my nose) on that one....


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    NOOB QUESTION: why are Ells and Turner like the Hatfields and the McCoys? I see the weapons of two passionate bike soldiers in those pics, not something more sinister.

    Nobody around here tells the janitor anything. Can anyone briefly sum up the history in 2 paragraphs or less??
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    There isn't a problem between E owners and Turner owners. I own both. It's only a minority that have a problem, the same dozen or so 'homers' - god I find that whole thing so sickly. I just refuse to be one of them as they are so far rammed up DT's backside they can't see the light. They play up to him and he plays up to them. Most normal people just get along and ride, the dozen or so people I'm talking about you're never gonna meet and are a mere drop in the mountain bike ocean.

    While they are trolling and flaming we are out riding. They have nothing new or interesting to say anyway.
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    Both Brands are awesome. Can't go wrong either way.

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    I'm still trying to figure out why you all spend over two grand on a frame when you could get a fully loaded bike for that price...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kona0197
    I'm still trying to figure out why you all spend over two grand on a frame when you could get a fully loaded bike for that price...
    Only one way to find out the answer to your question .

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    No thanks. I'd rather buy a Santa Cruz or Giant.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kona0197
    No thanks. I'd rather buy a Santa Cruz or Giant.
    Alright , let us know how it compares to your yukon .

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kona0197
    I'm still trying to figure out why you all spend over two grand on a frame when you could get a fully loaded bike for that price...

    Why don't you post that on the Turner forum as the Kona design is the same. Or you can continually float around this forum trolling and flaming and generally not adding much. Enjoy your Kona, if you like it great, don't begrudge other peoples choices. I rode a Kona and hated it, and in my opinion overpriced (in my country anyhow). So should I go to the Kona forum and bang on about how crap I think it is?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kona0197
    No thanks. I'd rather buy a Santa Cruz or Giant.
    Where I come from Ellsworth are cheaper than Turner, Santa Cruz, Intense, Cove etc. In fact they are more comparable to Kona frame prices.
    "but I do not see anything in the world of suspension methods that is superior to the 4 Bar.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kona0197
    I'm still trying to figure out why you all spend over two grand on a frame when you could get a fully loaded bike for that price...

    Isn't that kinda like asking a Porsche owner why he/she didn't settle for a Camry?

    Seriously, I have several Ellsworth bikes and I love the way they ride. Over he last 3 years, I've owned bikes from Intense (1), Titus (3), Foes (1), Seven (1), Banshee (1), Niner (1), and Gunnar (1). I still have several of the bikes and ride them periodically. But, I keep riding my Ellsworths because of the ride. My buddy, on the other hand, swears by Turner. They both make great bikes. I think SC and Giant makes some pretty nice models as well. It just depends what you prefer.
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    Passion, passion, passion. But I still dont understand why people flame other frames... isnt it kinda silly? Kinda cool to see Kona0197 visits this forum tho -- the more the merrier...

    Hey K197 - maybe you wouldnt buy anything else, but would you RIDE with anything else?? If so I might hafta roadie up to Oregon and ride some -- you guys build awesome trails...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kona0197
    No thanks. I'd rather buy a Santa Cruz or Giant.
    LOL...so you don't even own a Santa Cruz or a Giant or a Turner or an Ellsworth? Are you just one of those people who talk sheit and just envy every one elses bike?

    And please tell us why you spend time here on this forum? I don't spend time of the Kona Forum, maybe I'm missing out.

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    Zakster, lidarman - I don't ride a Kona. Oh and I do own a Giant.

    The reason I asked about why you guys spend so much money on a frame is because I'm a poor guy and can't justify spending that kind of money on a frame alone.
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    Most bikes on MTBR are luxury items. Pure and simple. None of us really NEED a bike that costs more than a few hundred bucks. There are plenty of ppl who can kick my butt up and down the trails on a red tricycle if they wanted to.

    Some ppl justify it b/c it's a luxury item that makes them happy. Some ppl work their asses off to make enough money to buy as many Ells as they want. Some ppl luck out and are born into money.

    My belief is that if you use it and it makes you happy, the purchase is justified. I'm no rich guy. I have a mortgage to pay, and I drive a crappy car. But my passion is cycling. I look out for great deals in the classifieds and I do my own wrenching. I have also found that buying high end frames and components is not a waste of money, b/c they actually retain a lot of resale value. I funded more than half of my current Ellsworth build by selling off old components and a Heckler frame.

    MTB passion also goes beyond the ride. Many here can just gaze at a beautifully CNC'd hunk of aluminum, or admire the details in a expertly powder coated or painted or anodized frame. Or spend hours debating suspension design!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kona0197
    Zakster, lidarman - I don't ride a Kona. Oh and I do own a Giant.

    The reason I asked about why you guys spend so much money on a frame is because I'm a poor guy and can't justify spending that kind of money on a frame alone.

    I think if you are happy with your Giant - awesome! Ride it and enjoy it.
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    I'm happy with my Giant to a point. I wish I had a few better parts hanging on it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by yangpei
    I was fortunate to be able to get off work early and do a ride with my buddy JR today. It's such a blast to be riding when you are usually working! It was also my maiden ride on the new Moment and can be summed up with one word - awesome! My buddy was on his RFX. I've included some pics just to prove that the E's and the T's can get along (even if the T's aren't 110% efficient).
    Is the picture from Sunset? Did you ride Middle Merrill? If so, how was the trail maintenance?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kona0197
    Zakster, lidarman - I don't ride a Kona. Oh and I do own a Giant.

    The reason I asked about why you guys spend so much money on a frame is because I'm a poor guy and can't justify spending that kind of money on a frame alone.
    Cracks me up that your username is Kona with the Kona icon....kinda like a bad tattoo.

    We spend the money cuz we can.

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    Well one of the best bikes I ever owned in my life was a Kona.
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    I like that pic from on top- the bikes look like buddies.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kona0197
    Well one of the best bikes I ever owned in my life was a Kona.
    You haven't owned enough bikes then.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LowLow
    Is the picture from Sunset? Did you ride Middle Merrill? If so, how was the trail maintenance?

    Yes, the pic is from the top of Sunset. No, we did not ride Middle Merrill on that day. Middle Merrill is definitely one of the best singetracks in Southern Cal. But, I haven't ridden it in a few months, so I can't comment on the trail maintenance. Sorry.
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    I agree with that

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    That's where it starts...

    Quote Originally Posted by Kona0197
    I'm happy with my Giant to a point. I wish I had a few better parts hanging on it.
    It's a slippery slope...
    First, you upgrade a few parts and notice an improvement.
    Then, you upgrade a few more and like the improvement.
    Then, you want a better frame for the nice parts hanging on an old p.o.s. frame.
    Next thing you know, you're buying a frame for $2500 or a fork for $800 or maybe wheels for $1000.
    Each one of us has to decide when enough is enough.
    To some riders, an out of the box trek, kona, or giant is good enough.
    Others want something better or are searching for the perfect ride.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kona0197
    The reason I asked about why you guys spend so much money on a frame is because I'm a poor guy and can't justify spending that kind of money on a frame alone.
    Well one of the reasons I ride two Turners and one Intense and my wife rides two Santacruz bikes is because they all cost us less money than the equivalent Kona or Giant would have.

    Big brand bikes are cheap if you buy the base build but as you soon as you look at a reasonable build with good quality suspension and component they become much less attractively priced (in general, there are obviously exceptions). The most spectacular example is Specialized: I am pretty sure I payed as much money for my three bikes combined as it would have cost me to get a single kitted out S-Works bike!

    It is also not uncommon to find good deals on smaller manufacturer frames and builds ... so Kona0197 if you want something else than your Giant look around and you'll be surprised at the deals you can find! No need to spend $2k for the frame alone.

    To the OP: nice bikes! For those of you that have ridden both older HL Turner bikes and Ells, can you compare the rides? Is the quality of the travel similar or very different?

    I ride a HL Turner Flux and a TNT Turner RFX. I have had chances to demo a number of other manufacturers bikes but never an Ellsworth.

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    Thanks for the cool responses guys.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sactojesse
    Dude, that Moment looks like a labia.
    eww.

    Is it rainbow-ish or is that just the lens? Looks two-tone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by grungePoodle
    eww.

    Is it rainbow-ish or is that just the lens? Looks two-tone.

    No, it's all pink. The bottom of the tubes are covered in a nice layer of dirt and the sun reflecting off the bike may make it look two-toned. I've never been into two-toned things, especially labias
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    more than friendship: group sex!

    Here in France the Turner importer is also the Ells importer so it's all love.
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    Now that's some porn!
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    Middle merril trail maintaince is being done by corba so its brush trimming and rain diversion. ... excellent maintaince.

    sunset ridge maintaince is being done by a hiking group (I think- by looking at them).
    Its a bit more aggressive and they are doing a fair bit of raking and soft filling of the trail, so it needs some rain to pack down.
    It could be worse- they are not removing rocks which is good.
    Cutting back of the Poisen oak is always good.


    As for the picture... any one else notice that the Ellsworth looks like it is cosying up to the Turner but the Turner looks like it is turning away and wants nothing to do with the Ellsworth????
    A bike "shrink" may say that alludes to a disfunctional relationship??
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