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    07 Fox Vanilla on Moment

    Has anybody run an 07 vanilla 140 mm on their moment? I'm thinking of replacing my 05 nixon IT. 'afraid that it might change the geometry. i like it more slack than x country.

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    The 36 Van would be a great choice for the Moment; assuming of course, that you don't need to adjust the travel on the fly.

    It will slacken the HA and slow the steering down a little, but on that frame, it is a great match.

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    Yes! It was okay, very XC and the Vanilla was a bit flexy for my tastes. It would be better on an Epiphany. I'd go with an AM, 36 or Lyrik for a more appropriate upgrade. 20mm thru axle is almost required for any new forks with 150mm of travel and over.
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    Vanilla on Epi....

    Chad,
    funny you should post this,
    I just got my new 140 mm 32 Vanilla RLC today. It is a warranty replacement for a defective 06 Van 130 that i had originally bought for my Epi. I have been quite concerned with how the additional travel will affect the handling as it seems absolutely perfect with my backup fork (an 02 Vanilla 125). I do lots of XC-type riding with tons of short very steep climbs. Now that i have the fork in my hands (and i looks great!) I am still very concerned about this...i dont even seem to want to put it on the bike, its just so tall

    I have looked very hard into possibly lowering the travel in this fork (maybe by using an 06 spring?) but i dont know how it would affect the damper system (the lockout for example). I have also considered swapping it for the coil u-turn Pike on my Stinky (which i could travel adjust however i want externally). I have also considered just selling it unused and buying a Revelation. I know i could have chosen a Float or TALAS but i am pretty much stuck on wanting a coil-sprung fork, and the 06 that i originally bought was exactly the fork i wanted.

    Sorry for hijacking your thread for my own rant, Momento. Back on topic, all i can say is I likey my Pikey...but if you are in the market for a brand new 07 32 Vanilla RLC.......

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    Quote Originally Posted by thumbies
    Chad,
    funny you should post this,
    I just got my new 140 mm 32 Vanilla RLC today. It is a warranty replacement for a defective 06 Van 130 that i had originally bought for my Epi. I have been quite concerned with how the additional travel will affect the handling as it seems absolutely perfect with my backup fork (an 02 Vanilla 125). I do lots of XC-type riding with tons of short very steep climbs. Now that i have the fork in my hands (and i looks great!) I am still very concerned about this...i dont even seem to want to put it on the bike, its just so tall

    I have looked very hard into possibly lowering the travel in this fork (maybe by using an 06 spring?) but i dont know how it would affect the damper system (the lockout for example). I have also considered swapping it for the coil u-turn Pike on my Stinky (which i could travel adjust however i want externally). I have also considered just selling it unused and buying a Revelation. I know i could have chosen a Float or TALAS but i am pretty much stuck on wanting a coil-sprung fork, and the 06 that i originally bought was exactly the fork i wanted.

    Sorry for hijacking your thread for my own rant, Momento. Back on topic, all i can say is I likey my Pikey...but if you are in the market for a brand new 07 32 Vanilla RLC.......

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    I'd sell it outright and go for something shorter. You're obviously not satisfied with it, I'm pretty sure there is no travel reduction option (why bother with it?). There are several other forks that would be better but it's hard these days to find a coil fork in such a short travel range. Besides, today's air dampers are pretty coil-like. You might look at the Marzocchi XC series or a Recon, I think you can get those in coil form

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    Thanks for all the info! The nixon developed a 'clunk' when pulling the handlebar. Sent it back to Manitou. 'Worried that if might happen again after the fix. There might be a difference of 10mm A-C between the nixon (being longer) and 32 vanilla rlc (being shorter). I like the slacker geometry though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Momento
    Thanks for all the info! The nixon developed a 'clunk' when pulling the handlebar. Sent it back to Manitou. 'Worried that if might happen again after the fix. There might be a difference of 10mm A-C between the nixon (being longer) and 32 vanilla rlc (being shorter). I like the slacker geometry though.
    Less than 1/2* of head angle. Top out clunk? Sounds like low fluid levels...

    I was running my Van with a 9mm Ventana crown race to get the extra elevation. It felt pretty XC, but not too bad. I suspect it felt exactly like what you're running with the Nixon. There's always options.

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    Here you go Momento, check this out:

    http://www.x-fusion-shox.com/

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    Hi chad,
    nice pics. Is this a medium or small frame? I also noticed the big betties, do they fit into the 06 moment?
    Thanks

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    Quote Originally Posted by SlayMe
    Hi chad,
    nice pics. Is this a medium or small frame? I also noticed the big betties, do they fit into the 06 moment?
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    Yeah, Big Betties on a small frame. They fit with no problems, though mine is an '05, I'm pretty sure there is no difference

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    Thanks Chad,
    I just see that you are selling yours, why is that?

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    Quote Originally Posted by SlayMe
    Thanks Chad,
    I just see that you are selling yours, why is that?
    Ok everyone, here's the deal:

    There's no way I'm going to get hosed like UP Dude did with a warranty/frame issue because Ellsworth doesn't want to ante up and admit that their process caused the problem. It's not enough that we pay $2300 for a frame, we also shell out $100 for a headset (potentially ruined on UP Dude's) and anywhere from $600-$1000 on a fork. To replace that and be without a bike for something that was totally out of your control then be stuck with a bill on top of that...ridiculous. I was here three years ago when the blow up with the cracked Truth frames was occuring, yet I was too new to really understand it all. Then the Id's began to crack...now the Specialists are being recalled, Moments are starting to exhibit cracks and Epiphany rockers are cracking and flaking.

    Honestly, I think that Ellsworth has built a reputation as a coveted manufacturer not because they make the best, most lasting frames in the world, but simply because they charge the most! They don't do anything differently than any other manufacturer, not enough to justify the exuberant costs. I don't want to be part of that excess anymore. I've have a change of "politics", if you will.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chad1433
    Ok everyone, here's the deal:

    There's no way I'm going to get hosed like UP Dude did with a warranty/frame issue because Ellsworth doesn't want to ante up and admit that their process caused the problem. It's not enough that we pay $2300 for a frame, we also shell out $100 for a headset (potentially ruined on UP Dude's) and anywhere from $600-$1000 on a fork. To replace that and be without a bike for something that was totally out of your control then be stuck with a bill on top of that...ridiculous. I was here three years ago when the blow up with the cracked Truth frames was occuring, yet I was too new to really understand it all. Then the Id's began to crack...now the Specialists are being recalled, Moments are starting to exhibit cracks and Epiphany rockers are cracking and flaking.

    Honestly, I think that Ellsworth has built a reputation as a coveted manufacturer not because they make the best, most lasting frames in the world, but simply because they charge the most! They don't do anything differently than any other manufacturer, not enough to justify the exuberant costs. I don't want to be part of that excess anymore. I've have a change of "politics", if you will.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chad1433
    Ok everyone, here's the deal:

    There's no way I'm going to get hosed like UP Dude did with a warranty/frame issue because Ellsworth doesn't want to ante up and admit that their process caused the problem. It's not enough that we pay $2300 for a frame, we also shell out $100 for a headset (potentially ruined on UP Dude's) and anywhere from $600-$1000 on a fork. To replace that and be without a bike for something that was totally out of your control then be stuck with a bill on top of that...ridiculous. I was here three years ago when the blow up with the cracked Truth frames was occuring, yet I was too new to really understand it all. Then the Id's began to crack...now the Specialists are being recalled, Moments are starting to exhibit cracks and Epiphany rockers are cracking and flaking.

    Honestly, I think that Ellsworth has built a reputation as a coveted manufacturer not because they make the best, most lasting frames in the world, but simply because they charge the most! They don't do anything differently than any other manufacturer, not enough to justify the exuberant costs. I don't want to be part of that excess anymore. I've have a change of "politics", if you will.

    Hey Chad,

    I just got done posting my new thread when I came here and read your post. You certainly make a good point, and when you lay out all of the failures like that it stands out. I can't say I agree whole heartedly with your feelings against them, but you do make a good point.

    I agree that they are no more special that any other manufacturer when it comes to products. However, there are two features fairly unique to them. One is being made in the US. And while I'm not a die hard "keep in here" type of person, there is something to be said for it. Also, Ellsworth is almost entirely operating on natural resources. Their head office is solar powered, their new manufacturing facility is solar powered and geothermally heated. I most definately take that as a strong point for them.


    Oh yeah, and the 36 is an awesome fork for the Moment. The Lyrics is also a very nice fork. But the 6 inch travel range is the place to be, IMHO.

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    Quote Originally Posted by UP Dude
    Hey Chad,

    I just got done posting my new thread when I came here and read your post. You certainly make a good point, and when you lay out all of the failures like that it stands out. I can't say I agree whole heartedly with your feelings against them, but you do make a good point.

    I agree that they are no more special that any other manufacturer when it comes to products. However, there are two features fairly unique to them. One is being made in the US. And while I'm not a die hard "keep in here" type of person, there is something to be said for it. Also, Ellsworth is almost entirely operating on natural resources. Their head office is solar powered, their new manufacturing facility is solar powered and geothermally heated. I most definately take that as a strong point for them.


    Oh yeah, and the 36 is an awesome fork for the Moment. The Lyrics is also a very nice fork. But the 6 inch travel range is the place to be, IMHO.
    I don't feel any animosity towards Ellsworth because that's not the kind of person I am. I have other reservations about the bike that have always been there but I accepted them because I thought that this was the pinnacle of bikes...it's not. Furthermore, it's 70 degrees and sunny here...if I was waiting on them to do something so I could ride, I'd really be upset! You have waited far too long for a resolution. You know all those moc ups and demos they have built? Surely there is ample stock of forks and headsets available. I'm not buying the "new frame" deal...it says to me that they don't understand the problem. It's like offering a hungry man a pack of smokes...doesn't make sense. Where there's a will, there is a way.

    Oh yeah...what Timberr said...you would love this bike for it is perfect for the type of North Shore style riding avail. in the Youppers. The geometry is a bit better for DH/FR type stuff while not compromising climbing. I think the Moment compromises DH ability for climbing angles where it could be more balanced, IMO.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chad1433
    Oh yeah...what Timberr said...you would love this bike for it is perfect for the type of North Shore style riding avail. in the Youppers. The geometry is a bit better for DH/FR type stuff while not compromising climbing. I think the Moment compromises DH ability for climbing angles where it could be more balanced, IMO.
    I did the around the block test and really liked it. Obviously I really need a good day on it to see what it could do but I must say my first impressions of the bike were very good.

    The Evo stands taller than the (med) Moment. (sm/md) And the cocpit is tighter ( more am/fr feeling). The Moment is definatley a more XC'ish AM ride.

    I'll post up a better review after a full ride on a EVO.

    Must say I was very impressed with it. Not to copy Chad but I may have a Moment for sale as well.

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