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    Quote Originally Posted by Circlip View Post
    Damn, already +repped you for something else. Nice call on Oprah.

    I take first call on tears being shed for both Armstrong and Oprah.
    I call Carmichael/USAC getting thrown under the bus by Lance for doping him as a junior before he knew what he was doing and causing his health problems leading to those tears.

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    Quote Originally Posted by veteran_youth View Post
    I call Carmichael/USAC getting thrown under the bus by Lance for doping him as a junior before he knew what he was doing and causing his health problems leading to those tears.
    But oh noes, peoples of the flock of Carmichael will know he was not really Armstrong's "coach", and the thing was instead money money facade to get rich both guys. Guy in Italy with vroom vroom name who Armstrong explained many times no coach doing to him but get much money in bank transfers.

    Where there is cod, there is liver oil. Called it here first.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Circlip View Post
    But oh noes, peoples of the flock of Carmichael will know he was not really Armstrong's "coach", and the thing was instead money money facade to get rich both guys. Guy in Italy with vroom vroom name who Armstrong explained many times no coach doing to him but get much money in bank transfers.

    Where there is cod, there is liver oil. Called it here first.
    The interview will already have aired by the time I wrap my head around that lol-speak. lol. Apparently I also have to troll some forums to figure out who the Carmichael flock is and their angle.

    But I gotta say, his name has been suspiciously absent from.......everything. Kinda why I feel Lance will have a clean canvas to put some tire tracks on,

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    Quote Originally Posted by veteran_youth View Post
    The interview will already have aired by the time I wrap my head around that lol-speak. lol.
    Ya, lame I know. We'd need BJO around these parts to do it properly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by veteran_youth View Post
    I call Carmichael/USAC getting thrown under the bus by Lance for doping him as a junior before he knew what he was doing and causing his health problems leading to those tears.

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    I'm glad Lance is coming full circle and fessing up, some healing can begin for him once he does this. The tragic part of this whole thing is that he and the rest of the world will never know how good he was.

    Cheating in sport is still small fries and a tip of the iceberg kinda thing, this behaviour exists all around us in business, academia and politricks.
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    Lance/Oprah bingo!

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    LOL, How did i miss this thread, i love a good lance thread, and one with circlip and osokolo makes it even better....
    Although, i wouldnt let either one ride behind me in a dark forest, especially oso, his very suspicious to say the least....
    Dont ever let the truth get in the way of a funny story....

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    can't wait to watch Oprah

    which i NEVER WATCHED. this had to go on record. gotta protect my reputation.

    hey Tone's my brother from another mother... last time we rode together you cried on the way back home. it was that good. circlip cried too, but he was scared to death - not believing my driving skills - when we caught some air over the rail tracks...

    i have to admit, it was hard to control the car and post messages on MTBR at the same time... but doable... quite doable...

    i don't condone and/or advocate using your data phone while driving, as well as drunk driving. for the record.

    Quote Originally Posted by Tone's View Post
    LOL, How did i miss this thread, i love a good lance thread, and one with circlip and osokolo makes it even better....
    Although, i wouldnt let either one ride behind me in a dark forest, especially oso, his very suspicious to say the least....
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    Quote Originally Posted by osokolo View Post
    circlip cried too, but he was scared to death - not believing my driving skills - when we caught some air over the rail tracks...
    It was beautiful man. I even caught some footage on my GoPro (see vid below). BTW your eyes are not deceiving you, that is CptSydor in the dorky suit running after us. I have no idea who the guys with guns are. Maybe we accidentally poached some trails on the way and pissed off some landowners?

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    Do we care???

    Does it really matter....I am not sure...
    What do you think?
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    Quote Originally Posted by PickeringMTB View Post
    Does it really matter....I am not sure...
    What do you think?
    Sorry PickeringMTB - much as I love the plethora Armstrong threads scattered all over MTBR, we probably only need the one in E-C.

    Threads are now merged.

    If you want to find out whether people care, there's some opinions in this thread already, and thousands of other posts on the topic in the General, Passion, Off Camber and other forums on MTBR also.

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    Mean while doping in cycling communes apace.

    Singletrack Magazine | Enduro's first doping scandal.

    Exactly as predicted.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PickeringMTB View Post
    Does it really matter....I am not sure...
    What do you think?
    Good question. Do I care? Iíve been thinking about that the last few days actually. So this is what I figured outÖ

    I DONíT CARE about the doping. Iíve been watching the Tdf since 2004 and loved watching Lance and his team race every single year. I rooted for them and loved to see them win. When I rode I emulated them. He (and the other dopers) are the reason I got into cycling and love the sport. Quite frankly the sport changed my life and he is a reason for that. He owes me no apology.

    I DO CARE about the personal attacks and threats on his accusers. He made life very difficult for them. He owes them an apology and an explanation to clear their name so to speak. However, Iím sure an apology will not be enough justice for them.

    I DONíT CARE about the Livestrong Foundation donors/workers. Inherently the money went to cancer research (or whatever they said it was going to), not doping. So they did good work and weíre probably way better off that he doped.

    I DONíT CARE if he is the TdF winner. I my mind he is the winner so it doesnít matter if they strip him or not.

    I DO CARE that his teammate turned against him. What a bunch of twats. Of course they were under oath so quite frankly they had no choice. But you have to look at USA Cycling as a whole not just LA, the whole god damn team.

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    From Canadian Cycling
    Dick Pound, a member of the international Olympic Committee has suggested that if Lance Armstrong showed that the International Cycling Union (UCI) covered up doping, cycling might have to be removed from the Olympics. Poundís comments came in reaction to Oprah Winfreyís statement that Armstrong confessed to doping in a television program to be aired on Thursday and Friday. The implications for grassroots funding of cycling programs if cycling is removed from the Olympics would be devastating.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thedumbopinion View Post
    From Canadian Cycling
    Yep - I've been trying to explain this as often as people would listen to it, for over a year now, about why having pros doping isn't a good thing for grassroots and local cycling.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PickeringMTB View Post
    Does it really matter....I am not sure...
    What do you think?
    It doesn't matter in that I think it's a little late (and disingenuous) for an apology now.

    It does matter in that an example must be set for kids (and adults too, I suppose) that cheating can come with some fairly devastating consequences.

    Just look at how fast Chris Spence's career completely unraveled in the last week over at the TDSB. He tried to brush the scandal aside by issuing a fairly weaksauce apology and the next thing you know, he's out of a job and potentially facing the loss of his PhD: Chris Spenceís U of T doctoral dissertation now under plagiarism probe .
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    my thoughts were and will always be with the riders that

    rode clean, their trainers, sponsors, family, etc that never received what they worked hard for and what they deserved. Cycling in general was the winner because bike companies sold more bikes, old guys starting riding and became healthy, sponsors sold product, TV revenues were way up, North America became a cycling fan base and the excitement that was brought to cycling by Lance is immeasurable. Sure there will be a lot of people, myself included, that won't forgive him, but there is no denying he changed everything about cycling, at least on this side of the pond.
    Now I think someone needs to apologize to the victims, the riders that didn't dope and should have had a chance.

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    Dick Pound...the bitter bride left at the alter by Ein Verbruggen

    Armstrong scandal could see cycling dropped from Olympics - Yahoo! Sports

    Hey ********...obviously you have forgotten those researching skills you used while articling back when Percy Williams was competing. But somehow despite IAAF"s drug issues and Figure skatings numerous fiascos no suggestion was made to remove them from the games for 5-10 years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Enduramil View Post
    Dick Pound...the Dick Clark of sport suits.
    Dick Poundcake is multiple flavours of awesome, and a Canadian to boot. The Pounder had Armstrong pegged from way back, and had no problems going against the grain at the time to speak his mind. Wish there were 100 more just like him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Circlip View Post
    Dick Poundcake is multiple flavours of awesome, and a Canadian to boot. The Pounder had Armstrong pegged from way back, and had no problems going against the grain at the time to speak his mind. Wish there were 100 more just like him.
    agreed...
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    Quote Originally Posted by osokolo View Post
    agreed...
    It's funny to me how no one finds Dick's suggestion at all hypocritical. Didn't here this suggested during the London Badminton scandal. Let us not forgettrack and field, weightlifting just to name a few sports with problems. How bout the scandals in figure skating as well?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Enduramil View Post
    It's funny to me how no one finds Dick's suggestion at all hypocritical. Didn't here this suggested during the London Badminton scandal. Let us not forgettrack and field, weightlifting just to name a few sports with problems. How bout the scandals in figure skating as well?
    and how do you connect Dick to these, in hypocritical way?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Enduramil View Post
    It's funny to me how no one finds Dick's suggestion at all hypocritical. Didn't here this suggested during the London Badminton scandal. Let us not forgettrack and field, weightlifting just to name a few sports with problems. How bout the scandals in figure skating as well?
    I'm sure those sports are great too and am glad people do them, but do I really care about what is going on with them? Sorry - nope. Talk to me about what is going on with cycling and you have my attention.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Circlip View Post
    I'm sure those sports are great too and am glad people do them, but do I really care about what is going on with them? Sorry - nope. Talk to me about what is going on with cycling and you have my attention.
    It's the IOC double standard I find hard to believe. Let's see, badminton and figure skating have had epic fail levels of problems. Yet no suggestion of remove from the Olympics while they clean themselves up.

    Media just interview him for hype factor. Only time he is ever in the press these days is when the media wants to create more hype for the average newspaper reader who believes it all hook line and sinker without thought. About 70% of the population. Who will then say.."look. They are cleaning up the sport and no more dopers." Same sheep who read about a huge grow op bust and think we're winning the war on drugs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Enduramil View Post
    It's the IOC double standard I find hard to believe. Let's see, badminton and figure skating have had epic fail levels of problems. Yet no suggestion of remove from the Olympics while they clean themselves up.

    Media just interview him for hype factor. Only time he is ever in the press these days is when the media wants to create more hype for the average newspaper reader who believes it all hook line and sinker without thought. About 70% of the population. Who will then say.."look. They are cleaning up the sport and no more dopers." Same sheep who read about a huge grow op bust and think we're winning the war on drugs.
    i call it BS sir.

    none of these sports had such an organized cheating network and organization compared to what Lance built over the years...

    other sports had individual examples of human greed for success.

    big difference if you ask me....
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    Quote Originally Posted by osokolo View Post
    i call it BS sir.



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    Please don't call me Sir. I work for a living.

    Quote Originally Posted by osokolo View Post

    none of these sports had such an organized cheating network and organization compared to what Lance built over the years...

    ..
    And the IOC is probably the most corrupt of all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Enduramil View Post
    It's funny to me how no one finds Dick's suggestion at all hypocritical. Didn't here this suggested during the London Badminton scandal. Let us not forgettrack and field, weightlifting just to name a few sports with problems. How bout the scandals in figure skating as well?
    I find nothing wrong with what he's saying. His suggestion has to do with a corrupt international cycling body, which has zero to do with individual teams doping.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SkidVicious View Post
    I find nothing wrong with what he's saying. His suggestion has to do with a corrupt international cycling body, which has zero to do with individual teams doping.
    Yes, because the UCI is the only corrupt sport governing body in the world and in history.

    I trust them all about as much as I trust a Roma lawyer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Enduramil View Post
    Yes, because the UCI is the only corrupt sport governing body in the world and in history.
    irrelevant.

    in any case, i've always been an advocate of a parallel TdF for dopers, and a parallel doperlympics (if they call it that i want royalties). its the only way to solve this problem, imho.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Enduramil View Post
    I trust them all about as much as I trust a Roma lawyer.
    Not cool, Chris.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SkidVicious View Post
    I find nothing wrong with what he's saying. His suggestion has to do with a corrupt international cycling body, which has zero to do with individual teams doping.
    I agree. The issue isn't that parts of the sport are corrupt but that the governing body itself may have taken an active role in covering up the corruption.

    That being said, I think it's a long-shot that cycling would be removed from the Olympics.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PickeringMTB View Post
    Does it really matter....I am not sure...
    What do you think?
    Do I care? Not so much. But I am enjoying watching the Armstrong apologists shift the goalposts in their arguments. And some of the tweets and LOL-images on this topic are just pure gold.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Enduramil View Post
    I trust them all about as much as I trust a Roma lawyer.
    Borat endorses this statement.

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    Quote Originally Posted by garage monster View Post
    I agree. The issue isn't that parts of the sport are corrupt but that the governing body itself may have taken an active role in covering up the corruption.

    That being said, I think it's a long-shot that cycling would be removed from the Olympics.
    Reality as Mr Fahey the head of WADA publicly stated last fall is they are losing the fight against doping.

    In regards to the UCI investigation into a Truth and Reconciliation period,
    Play the Game: UCI independent commission to hold public hearing after WADA rejection

    Play the Game:

    WADA will not participate part of their reason...no immunity for athletes if the come forward.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Enduramil View Post
    Reality as Mr Fahey the head of WADA publicly stated last fall is they are losing the fight against doping.

    In regards to the UCI investigation into a Truth and Reconciliation period,
    Play the Game: UCI independent commission to hold public hearing after WADA rejection

    Play the Game:

    WADA will not participate part of their reason...no immunity for athletes if the come forward.
    I agree with you (and WADA) on that. If the "independent" inquiry is going to be effective, credible and at all adequate, it needs to be conducted without the participants living in fear of reprisals.
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    Quote Originally Posted by garage monster View Post
    I agree with you (and WADA) on that. If the "independent" inquiry is going to be effective, credible and at all adequate, it needs to be conducted without the participants living in fear of reprisals.
    Reality is this will do nothing in it's current form to improve road cycling's North America's image problem.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Enduramil View Post
    Reality is this will do nothing in it's current form to improve road cycling's North America's image problem.
    Did your military experience include extensive training in surrender techniques?

    I'm up for a fight, even if you aren't.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Circlip View Post
    Did your military experience include extensive training in surrender techniques?

    I'm up for a fight, even if you aren't.
    ata boy...

    FTW...

    Endura did you laugh today?
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    Quote Originally Posted by osokolo View Post
    ata boy...

    FTW...

    Endura did you laugh today?



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    Quote Originally Posted by Circlip View Post
    Did your military experience include extensive training in surrender techniques?

    I'm up for a fight, even if you aren't.
    Sorry, the Canadian Army does not use French military doctrine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Enduramil View Post
    Sorry, the Canadian Army does not use French military doctrine.
    Your unit did its training in France?

    j/k I have tremendous respect for the act of serving one's country (Canada, France, or other) past and present.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Circlip View Post
    Your unit did its training in France?

    j/k I have tremendous respect for the act of serving one's country (Canada, France, or other) past and present.
    Nope on France.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Enduramil View Post
    Reality as Mr Fahey the head of WADA publicly stated last fall is they are losing the fight against doping.

    In regards to the UCI investigation into a Truth and Reconciliation period,
    Play the Game: UCI independent commission to hold public hearing after WADA rejection

    Play the Game:

    WADA will not participate part of their reason...no immunity for athletes if the come forward.
    UCI hearing will be a JOKE...

    i hope Lance rats UCI out... that is the only good thing that may come out of his Oprah show....
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    Yet another stripping.

    Thirteen years after he stood on the podium in Sydney, Lance Armstrong has been stripped of the bronze medal he won at the 2000 Olympics because of his involvement in doping. The International Olympic Committee sent a letter to Armstrong on Wednesday night asking him to return the medal, just as it said it planned to do last month.
    The Silver medal still belongs to noted doper Jan Ullrich. I guess Lance is to popular not to take the medal away.

    The gold belongs to former teammate Ekimov. Not sure if he dopped buy most of the Disco Team has admitted to doing so to save their own butt.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thedumbopinion View Post
    The Silver medal still belongs to noted doper Jan Ullrich. I guess Lance is to popular not to take the medal away.

    The gold belongs to former teammate Ekimov. Not sure if he dopped buy most of the Disco Team has admitted to doing so to save their own butt.
    I think this is just the beginning of a year of great "unraveling". Depending on what Lance actually says in the next two nights, there are between 100 and 200 people around the world that are getting very nervous.
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    Quote Originally Posted by thedumbopinion View Post
    Yet another stripping.



    The Silver medal still belongs to noted doper Jan Ullrich. I guess Lance is to popular not to take the medal away.

    The gold belongs to former teammate Ekimov. Not sure if he dopped buy most of the Disco Team has admitted to doing so to save their own butt.

    Let's disect this further.

    1. Ekimov, no doping charges, but hard to believe a USPS rider, who supported LA and was close to Johan would not be on a program

    2. Ullrich, convicted/banned

    3. LA, convicted/banned

    4. Olano, positive 1994, implicated as dope by Conconi in USDA report


    It's a real shame how dirty the sport was, and still is. It's also a shame Lance is the only one with strikes through his results. They should hang'm all. Career dopers like Levi are free after petty 6mth ban, total fricken joke.
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    So what will happen on the pew oops I meant couch at the Cult of Harpo confession. Will Lance jump on the couch?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Enduramil View Post
    Will Lance jump on the couch?
    Remember, Armstrong is a cyclist. He will roll out on a bike and do a trials demo on the couch. You heard it here first.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Circlip View Post
    Remember, Armstrong is a cyclist. He will roll out on a bike and do a trials demo on the couch. You heard it here first.
    And then what, declare his undying love for Katie Holmes?

    Has anyone else noticed that in the press shots of the interview, Oprah makes Lance look teeny-tiny?

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