Steaming Nostril

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  • 01-24-2013
    smarty
    Steaming Nostril
    Cycle Waterloo Steaming Nostril

    This race looks interesting.

    For me, it was a no-brainer to enter. I grew up riding on these gravel roads, so it is a bit of a hometown race for me. And it will be a good early season tune up, falling a few short weeks ahead of P2A.

    Now let's start talking tires...
  • 01-24-2013
    VVagabond
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by smarty View Post
    Cycle Waterloo Steaming Nostril
    Now let's start talking tires...

    With a name like Steaming Nostril, I can't really resist.
    This will probably replace Hell of the North for me. While it was awesome, it was a little too much hell for me that early in the season.

    I plan to use skinny tires, but not too skinny.
  • 01-24-2013
    14Stone
    Cold.... miserable.... March.... death ride.


    I'm in.
  • 01-24-2013
    CptSydor
    My big worry, that might be a quintessential weekend for the Tour De Buttertart.

    I guess if enough of us sign up for the Nostril, Garage Monster would have no choice but to make it the 16/17th
  • 01-24-2013
    garage monster
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by CptSydor View Post
    My big worry, that might be a quintessential weekend for the Tour De Buttertart.

    I guess if enough of us sign up for the Nostril, Garage Monster would have no choice but to make it the 16/17th

    Ya, I usually try to get Buttertart done prior to Good Friday and Easter is early this year! :eek:

    (There will be a completely new course for the Good Friday Road Race - Road O-Cup #1 this year, BTW. Ancaster, here we come! :))
  • 01-24-2013
    RiotMTB
    I am in for this. Good warm up for P2A...and for Buttertart. :)
  • 01-24-2013
    ol-crank
    what is farm road and dirt road.
    with over half the race on farm or dirt road, does that include some of that farmers field where you sink down an inch and a half and pray for a lightning strike to end the misery.
    Or is it just dirt road?
    thanks
  • 01-24-2013
    CptSydor
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by ol-crank View Post
    with over half the race on farm or dirt road, does that include some of that farmers field where you sink down an inch and a half and pray for a lightning strike to end the misery.
    Or is it just dirt road?
    thanks

    I am guessing it's as you describe, or slick as heck double track with monster tractor tire ruts. Or maybe a combination of both. But since they note you need an MTB, CX or beefed up hybrid and distinguish farm and dirt roads, I am sure they are not the same. (if it was straight dirt and paved roads you could do it on a road bike. People were doing that on he'll of the north last year)

    Its probably a bunch of unopend access or private roads that could be in any condition, from grassy paths through the woods, to the dreaded fields of life sucky misery. Sounds great!
  • 01-24-2013
    ol-crank
    "Great indeed" anyway I'm in and hope for good weather
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by CptSydor View Post
    I am guessing it's as you describe, or slick as heck double track with monster tractor tire ruts. Or maybe a combination of both. But since they note you need an MTB, CX or beefed up hybrid and distinguish farm and dirt roads, I am sure they are not the same. (if it was straight dirt and paved roads you could do it on a road bike. People were doing that on he'll of the north last year)

    Its probably a bunch of unopend access or private roads that could be in any condition, from grassy paths through the woods, to the dreaded fields of life sucky misery. Sounds great!

    see you there
  • 01-25-2013
    bomber495
    Being so close to home I couldn't resist signing up. Usually signing up for events like this means a long early morning drive!
  • 01-25-2013
    14Stone
    Clyde peloton!
  • 01-25-2013
    swabag
    this, good Friday and Hell of the North looks like a very appealing spring tune up racing block.

    Two months, cant wait
  • 01-25-2013
    Enduramil
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by CptSydor View Post
    I am guessing it's as you describe, or slick as heck double track with monster tractor tire ruts. Or maybe a combination of both. But since they note you need an MTB, CX or beefed up hybrid and distinguish farm and dirt roads, I am sure they are not the same. (if it was straight dirt and paved roads you could do it on a road bike. People were doing that on he'll of the north last year)

    Its probably a bunch of unopend access or private roads that could be in any condition, from grassy paths through the woods, to the dreaded fields of life sucky misery. Sounds great!

    Gee...sounds more like the requirements for a Gravel Grinder.
  • 01-25-2013
    bomber495
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by 14Stone View Post
    Clyde peloton!

    Haha, sounds like a plan!
  • 01-26-2013
    CptSydor
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Enduramil View Post
    Gee...sounds more like the requirements for a Gravel Grinder.

    I ain't as smart as they come, but a gravel grinder might take place on gravel roads.
  • 01-26-2013
    Enduramil
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by CptSydor View Post
    I ain't as smart as they come, but a gravel grinder might take place on gravel roads.

    Not completely on gravel roads. Judging from some of the pics I have seen. The Minimal Maintneance Roads some look like quad track.
  • 01-26-2013
    mtbmeister
    Damn, this is really tempting as an early season fitness test. Unless you're a cold weather wussy like me. The body can't take the cold, but the idea of doing this is very attractive. I will continue taking my HTFU pills for the next couple of months and perhaps register day of.
  • 01-26-2013
    Unglued
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by mtbmeister View Post
    Damn, this is really tempting as an early season fitness test. Unless you're a cold weather wussy like me. The body can't take the cold, but the idea of doing this is very attractive. I will continue taking my HTFU pills for the next couple of months and perhaps register day of.

    If it helps, you can take strength from your post signature (ie a bad day on the bike etc etc etc....)
  • 01-30-2013
    broadwayline
    Signed up!
  • 02-16-2013
    egggman
    Signed up, rode with a group out in that area-ish a couple weeks back... Sounds like a bit of everything may be thrown in...
  • 02-17-2013
    CptSydor
    Signed up yesterday! Excited.
  • 02-19-2013
    Bikingnerd
    Just signed up for this one. Deciding to use the singlespeed may turn out to be a mistake, but if I'm going to suffer anyway...
  • 02-19-2013
    ol-crank
    does anybody know if there is any seriouis climbiing? I want to set up almost like
    my road gearing, but if there is some steep climbs I will put on a 12/34 cassette or so.
  • 02-20-2013
    Overkill
    I can't believe nobody is discussing tires yet! I'm not from the area and am all signed up. What's the word from people who know the terrain? Mountain bike tires or knobby 'cross tires.
  • 02-20-2013
    Bikingnerd
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Overkill View Post
    I can't believe nobody is discussing tires yet! I'm not from the area and am all signed up. What's the word from people who know the terrain? Mountain bike tires or knobby 'cross tires.

    I'll be running my 'cross bike, so it'll either be Mud2 or Conti Race Kings, depending on the expected mud:gravel ratio. I have no idea about the terrain though, just winging it!
  • 02-20-2013
    14Stone
    Clement X'Plor MSO's. Testing them before P2A. If I like em, I'll keep em, otherwise I'll go to Schwalbe Sammy Slicks.
  • 02-20-2013
    bomber495
    Re: Steaming Nostril
    Schwalbe cx comp for me. Its my only option so they better be good for the course!
  • 02-20-2013
    Overkill
    It sounds like at a minimum it will be pretty muddy and soft. I'm wondering if there will be rocky fast sections requiring high volume tires.

    Does anyone know why they aren't releasing a course map? Because its on private property maybe? I'll be coming down and staying with the in-laws that weekend and was hoping to pre-ride so I know what I'm getting myself into!
  • 02-20-2013
    Circlip
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Overkill View Post
    Does anyone know why they aren't releasing a course map? Because its on private property maybe? I'll be coming down and staying with the in-laws that weekend and was hoping to pre-ride so I know what I'm getting myself into!

    Watch this guy. Never races (or so he says... ;)) but nearly tore everyone's legs off at Crank the Shield a couple of years ago, aside from the Zandstra / Watson / Glassford types.
  • 02-20-2013
    Overkill
    Hey whoa! I have actually raced quite a bit over the last couple of years - I haven't raced a mtn bike since crank a couple of years ago though.

    I'm really digg'in these gravel races and cx events. I love all the new spring classic events popping up - nice change.
  • 02-20-2013
    Circlip
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Overkill View Post
    I have actually raced quite a bit over the last couple of years

    I guess that means double watch this guy! Just kidding you Iain. You were fun to have around at CTS.
  • 02-20-2013
    Overkill
    Hey, where is my green teammate VVagabond? Doesn't she hang around these parts. She must know something about these roads.
  • 02-21-2013
    14Stone
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Overkill View Post
    I'm really digg'in these gravel races and cx events. I love all the new spring classic events popping up - nice change.

    Agree, hope more pop up :)
  • 02-24-2013
    VVagabond
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Overkill View Post
    Hey, where is my green teammate VVagabond? Doesn't she hang around these parts. She must know something about these roads.

    I am late in responding and we probably won't see Overkill around here for a while, but for the record, I have no inside information at all on these roads. Wish I did!
  • 03-15-2013
    Bikingnerd
    Anyone have advice on SS gearing for this one? My 'cross bike race setup is 42:18, but I may have a 16 tooth freewheel kicking around... I have never ridden in that area, so don't have any sense of hillyness!
  • 03-15-2013
    smarty
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Bikingnerd View Post
    Anyone have advice on SS gearing for this one? My 'cross bike race setup is 42:18, but I may have a 16 tooth freewheel kicking around... I have never ridden in that area, so don't have any sense of hillyness!

    I understand from their website that the route won't be published in advance of the race, but I suspect that we will be spending a bunch of time on gravel roads in and around Wellesley township (the farming area to the southwest of Elmira). There are lots of rollers there, and a few leg breakers, but some flat areas as well. I can't imagine a race there that would not send us up Hawkesville Hill.

    As always, though, the best advice (IMHO) for a race like this is to go for steep gearing, and walk the hills if necessary. SS races aren't won on the hills - they are won everywhere else.
  • 03-15-2013
    broadwayline
    I'll be doing it on a brakeless fixed gear track bike :)

    48/16 gearing for me.

    Is there a singlespeed class?
  • 03-16-2013
    14Stone
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    funny fail.... :(

    Good luck with the fixie... thats going to be crazy.
  • 03-16-2013
    CptSydor
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by broadwayline View Post
    I'll be doing it on a brakeless fixed gear track bike :)

    48/16 gearing for me.

    Is there a singlespeed class?



    But you may want to check with the organizers about going sans brakes. And let me know what you look like, cause I don't want to be anywhere near you. ;)
  • 03-16-2013
    VernDog
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    48 x 16, baa, brakesless...
    try 100 x 16, works betterAttachment 781364
  • 03-16-2013
    broadwayline
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by CptSydor View Post
    But you may want to check with the organizers about going sans brakes. And let me know what you look like, cause I don't want to be anywhere near you. ;)

    You won't miss me - all black with 88mm carbo tubulars and a dugast up front ;)
  • 03-16-2013
    Bikingnerd
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by smarty View Post
    I understand from their website that the route won't be published in advance of the race, but I suspect that we will be spending a bunch of time on gravel roads in and around Wellesley township (the farming area to the southwest of Elmira). There are lots of rollers there, and a few leg breakers, but some flat areas as well. I can't imagine a race there that would not send us up Hawkesville Hill.

    As always, though, the best advice (IMHO) for a race like this is to go for steep gearing, and walk the hills if necessary. SS races aren't won on the hills - they are won everywhere else.

    Thanks for the advice - pretty much what I figured. I certainly end up spinning like a hamster on the flats in 'cross races with 42:18...
  • 03-16-2013
    CptSydor
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by broadwayline View Post
    You won't miss me - all black with 88mm carbo tubulars and a dugast up front ;)

    I am really curious. Are you allowed to race that way? Not that I question your ability to handle a brakeless fixie, I am curious how that will integrate into a pack of racers in a mixed surface situation.
  • 03-16-2013
    broadwayline
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by CptSydor View Post
    I am really curious. Are you allowed to race that way? Not that I question your ability to handle a brakeless fixie, I am curious how that will integrate into a pack of racers in a mixed surface situation.

    I don't see it being an issue - it's not much different than an average coaster brake. To be honest I have a bit more braking power than I do with my CX bike once the rims get muddy / wet with cantilevers (wish I had discs!).

    From what I understand it's more of a CX road ride / gravel grinder than a MTB race so there shouldn't be a need for massive braking power or I wouldn't even consider trying it, especially if it interfered with other riders.

    My only issue would be if there was a massive descent similar to the rattler or some of the hills near Kelso / Ancaster, I wouldn't even consider that - but Elmira is pretty flat...

    I ride fixed/brakeless on mellow single track trails / do century rides for kicks on it and have never had issues riding in packs on 40-60k road rides at 33-35km/h averages.

    You can still brake and stop controllably, you just can't lock up the brakes and blast through a tight dirt trail corner like you could on a rim / disc braked bike, you have to go slower and 'flow' through it more / judge your speed based on what's further ahead.

    :)
  • 03-16-2013
    egggman
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by 14Stone View Post
    Agree, hope more pop up :)

    Very late to respond to this one, but Thats What She Said.... :)
  • 03-18-2013
    garage monster
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by broadwayline View Post
    I don't see it being an issue - it's not much different than an average coaster brake. To be honest I have a bit more braking power than I do with my CX bike once the rims get muddy / wet with cantilevers (wish I had discs!).

    From what I understand it's more of a CX road ride / gravel grinder than a MTB race so there shouldn't be a need for massive braking power or I wouldn't even consider trying it, especially if it interfered with other riders.

    My only issue would be if there was a massive descent similar to the rattler or some of the hills near Kelso / Ancaster, I wouldn't even consider that - but Elmira is pretty flat...

    I ride fixed/brakeless on mellow single track trails / do century rides for kicks on it and have never had issues riding in packs on 40-60k road rides at 33-35km/h averages.

    You can still brake and stop controllably, you just can't lock up the brakes and blast through a tight dirt trail corner like you could on a rim / disc braked bike, you have to go slower and 'flow' through it more / judge your speed based on what's further ahead.

    :)

    Not to be all "Debbie Downer" but the race is sanctioned by the OCA and is likely subject to UCI rules and as I just happen to have my rule book on my desk, I quote it thusly:

    Quote:

    1.3.025 [...] For races on the road and cyclo-cross, the use of fixed sprocket is forbidden: a braking system that acts on both wheels is required.
    By all means, bring the bike but it might be a good idea to bring a back-up bike just in case they stick to the rules. :)
  • 03-18-2013
    14Stone
    Does it have any rules regarding Unicycles?


    I'm seriously asking.... stop laughing at me.
  • 03-18-2013
    broadwayline
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by garage monster View Post
    Not to be all "Debbie Downer" but the race is sanctioned by the OCA and is likely subject to UCI rules and as I just happen to have my rule book on my desk, I quote it thusly:



    By all means, bring the bike but it might be a good idea to bring a back-up bike just in case they stick to the rules. :)

    Ahhhhh that's good information for me, but lame news!

    I'll bring my cross bike too just in case, but then I'll have to actually race :(
  • 03-18-2013
    garage monster
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by 14Stone View Post
    Does it have any rules regarding Unicycles?


    I'm seriously asking.... stop laughing at me.

    Not that I'm aware of. The whole equipment section presumes that the racer is riding a "standard" bicycle (as opposed to say a recumbent). :thumbsup:

    There might be some unicycle racing federation somewhere that defines acceptable equipment and regulates the type of clown pants you are allowed to wear but that appears to be outside the UCI's purview. :D
  • 03-18-2013
    Enduramil
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by CptSydor View Post
    I am really curious. Are you allowed to race that way? Not that I question your ability to handle a brakeless fixie, I am curious how that will integrate into a pack of racers in a mixed surface situation.

    Back when they had the Eastern Challenge there was a guy from Ottawa I believe racing a CX bike with fixed gears. Though he had rim brakes as well.


    Quote:

    Originally Posted by garage monster View Post
    Not to be all "Debbie Downer" but the race is sanctioned by the OCA and is likely subject to UCI rules and as I just happen to have my rule book on my desk, I quote it thusly:

    I would think running rim brakes would help. But then of course that depends how anal the race official is when it comes to the rules.