Maybe it's time to stop arguing with these individuals and put more into talking to Parks Canada. After all they will be the groups to deal with in the long term. And since tthey aqre they would be the people to discuss this stuff with. Especially since they are open to the idea of mountain bikes now.
Clearly, we, as mountain bikers, have a HUGE image problem. Possibly even worse than even "regular" cyclists.
In a way, I can understand people's confusion. On the one hand you have the Kumbaya-IMBA message and on the other, you have videos like the Kovarik one, which, while totally awesome, probably make the Rouge people wet their beds. What to do?
Please enjoy seeing this terrible collection of me - something wonderful is about to happy.
Originally Posted by City of Toronto - Beare Road Landfill Trust Fund
Metro Toronto opened the Beare Road Landfill Site in 1967 with the approval of Scarborough Council. The 80.5-hectare site, originally with a capacity of 3.3 million tonnes, received solid waste through 1988. Metro and Scarborough agreed to expand the Beare Landfill's capacity by 635,000 tonnes in 1971 and 5.4 million tonnes in 1974. The latter resulted in the creation of the Beare Road Ski Facility Trust Fund.
Under the terms of the 1974 agreement, Metro issued $750,000.00 in debentures to cover the cost of developing a downhill ski facility at Beare Road. This accommodated Scarborough's desire, first expressed in 1971, to improve the site for recreational purposes. Metro would design the facility and manage disbursements from the trust account; Scarborough would lease the property as of 1978, undertake construction, and assume any excess costs. Any payments would be refunded to Metro if Scarborough failed to build the facility according to the development plan (Clause No. 1 of Report No. 12 of the Works Committee, adopted by Metro Council on October 22, 1974).
In 1982, Scarborough cancelled this agreement, terminated its lease of the Beare Road site, and explicitly relinquished any claim to funds in the trust account (Clause No. 1 of Report No. 46 of the Board of Control, adopted by Scarborough Council on September 20, 1982). In return, Metro was to use the trust account to develop a regional downhill ski facility at Beare Road, with all development plans and activities for the site being reviewed by Scarborough staff (Clause No. 8 of Report No. 10 of the Works Committee, adopted by Metro Council on October 1, 1982).
Metro undertook preliminary work on the ski facility into the early 1990s before abandoning the project. The facility made its last appearance in a budget document in the 1992-1996 Metro Parks Capital Works Program, when inflation and program changes had pushed cost estimates to $12,500,00.00. Beyond economics, the viability of the project was impacted by solid waste management planning (which, beginning in 1988, explored interim landfilling options in the Beare Road area) and by the Province's 1990 park planning initiative in the Rouge watershed.
As plans emerged for the Rouge Park, Metro officials acknowledged that a ski facility at Beare Road would likely be rejected by the Province, given the project's incompatibility with other land uses in and around the park and the range of possible environmental impacts.
Perhaps the writing was on the wall.
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Is the Beare road landfill the one you can see from 401, a small-ish hill as seen from that distance? Of all places, I never thought cyclists would have to fight for landfill. Whoever those people are, they sound like they are pathologically unable to share.
Of all places, I never thought cyclists would have to fight for landfill. Whoever those people are, they sound like they are pathologically unable to share.
I wish I could say I'm surprised, sadly I'm not. I was riding with a couple folks last month and one of them had sat in on a planning meeting for Centennial Park in Etobicoke, which also has a ski hill built on a former landfill. According to him, there were people who wanted to close the hill to everyone except hikers because it's allegedly an ecologically sensitive nature heritage site. At this point it was said that people in the meeting were glancing at each other and thinking "wtf? Are these guys for real?" and right after that it was pointed out that the hill is a freakin' pile of garbage.
i acutally work with landfills. i wouldn't be in such a rush to build trails on a landfill. stay the course, stay in the watershed. it is better to build a multifaceted trail (historical, cultural, enviromental). you will be surprised who listens
You're probably thinking of Morningside landfill, Beare Road's immediate predecessor. It's currently being partly dug up and moved to make room for the Pan-Am Games Aquatic centre.
I'm (supposedly) involved in the project, so I've had some time to stand around and admire the perfectly preserved condition of the stuff we are digging out the ground.
I didn't know for sure that the hill there at Morningside was a landfill, though I had often suspected it based on the geometry.
Since he referred to seeing it from a distance, it's possible he is talking about Beare Rd landfill, as it is visible from quite a distance from the 401, whereas the small hill at 401 and Morningside isn't much of a distance from the 401, being pretty much right beside the highway.
Popped in to see the DJ rebuild yesterday and talked with Scott. The Rouge came up and what is happening.
His first thing was to laugh at the Alliance and all their posturing. His impression from what he's heard is that there will be huge changes to the Rouge system. And all in the opposite direction that is stated in the article.
When I mentioned the TRCA being involved. He said they won't be. And I would believe what info he has more then anyone else.