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    Rate Your Technical

    Stemming from a variety of stuff I've seen posted and a stat I once saw...'80% of people believe they are better than the average driver'.

    So I ask, just for giggles 'compared to the people you generally ride with, the people you see on the trails, or the dreaded racer crowd. Are your technical skills better than them?

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    Obviously. Because I don't demand that logs, rocks, and roots be removed because it impedes my progress. And will cause a blip on my HRM and decrease my Strava ego.

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    Compared to the people I generally ride with, absolutely not, they're as good or better than me, and sometimes by a lot. By some weird coincidence I've always ended up in a riding group that's filled with ridiculously talented riders. Compared to the people I see on the trails, yup, I'm better, no question.

    Racers, it depends. A lot of DH racers are better, or at least they have bigger balls. XC is hard to say, a lot of the folks who've been racing for 10-20 years are likely every bit as good as I am. The less experienced racers, I can probably make them cry in the technical stuff but that's to be expected given how long I've been riding and the talent level of the people I ride with.

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    Opposite of Aerius, I usually ride with amateurs, dudes that bought bikes in the 90's, smokers and other misc. motley types. I always look like the pro.
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    nope. everybody rides better than me. i'm not hurt by it.
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    No. Most of the people I ride with really know how to handle a bike. I wouldn't have it any other way-the best way to improve is to ride with better riders
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    No. Just no. Living in B.C. the bar is set pretty high if one wants to think of themselves as being an upper crust rider in the skillz department.

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    No. My technical skills are worse than the people I ride with, like way worse, like only better than the woman that crashes and lands on her face. Luckily my legs and lungs are way better than the people I ride with so you'd have win Sport class races or ride in the Expert class to drop me.

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    I voted "no". My XC technical skills are average but declining due to fear of injury. As I get older I get more cautious, and that is a bad thing when it comes to technical riding. But I never had to walk the bone shaker at Hardwood (or similar technical sections in o-cup riding).

    If we are talking about North Shore type of riding I don't even show up on the radar.
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    i want to ride with all of you guys.. then maybe i could change my vote.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Circlip View Post
    No. Just no. Living in B.C. the bar is set pretty high if one wants to think of themselves as being an upper crust rider in the skillz department.
    All of the BC trails are compared to here.. shall we say night and day. The easiest green mtb trail at Lost Lake is way tougher then a green beginner trail here. And the trails at Lost Lake have been worked on in the last few years. Same as in alpine skiing and run grading.

    But one has to also realize in BC you have no choice but to develop your skills in mountain biking. Because if not you will be stuck to kitty litter trails like rail trail. While here in Ontario to improve your skills you have to make a concious effort to develop them.

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    No. Not even close. I usually ride with the BicycleWorks crew at Waterdown...and they have been riding all of their lives (including dirt bikes/motocross). They are highly technical...more than I will ever be. Plus, I am too old take the chance of injury on much of the stuff they make look easy.

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    I'd say I'm middle of the pack among the people I ride with regularly. Like BC, if you want to ride anything but the old rail bed and fire roads out here you have to develop some technical skills.

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    I tended to ride with a few current and ex trials guys, dirt jump/street guys, so their skills are mad on certain things. So, I have some pretty decent low speed skills. I can ride really skinny stuff, pivot around, pedal kick off something from static and get up and down off some tricky stuff. I am old by MTB standards and I won't huck myself off anything big or catch much air anymore. I also slow down quite a bit more than I used to cause it takes a month to recover from anything these days. I like rocks and lots of other features on a trail, just won't/can't hammer it anymore. Also learning to sort of ride trials made me appreciate slowing down and "sessioning" some specific feature. I'll hang around something and ride it one way, backwards and sideways of possible. There are lots of guys with better skills or faster but it is of no matter to me. I ride what I like to ride at the speed I like to ride. It's a good attitude to have I suppose when you have 20+ years on you fellow riders sometimes.

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    Meh, it really depends who's out on a given ride but I voted no FWIW. Most locals (like philshep, for instance) eat rocky sections of the Bruce for breakfast. To analogize, I'm in the league but I'm not a top scorer.

    That being said, I did finish the BC Bike Race quite respectably on a rigid single speed so I can't be all thumbs either.
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    Interesting poll result.

    I created the thread, really out of curiosity. I guess it probably stems more from commentary about racing and how it seems that more often than not (at least written and from my perception), people always say the more technical a course, the better they would do. I was also triggered by reading quite a few Steaming Nostril race reports (not just here) and more often than not, it seems like everyone passed all sorts of people on the rail trail, but no on ever seems to have gotten passed.

    Me personally, I think there is a wide range of what encompasses technical ability. Some places I excel, others I flounder. Some days are good, others are bad. In some groups I look like Hans Rey, in others like Rey Hans (his horribly clumsy younger brother).

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    My dislocated shoulder wouldn't let me vote yes.

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    Yes, but only because I like introducing friends to the sport.

    There are plenty of people around here that I only rarely ride with that make me look like a complete amateur.

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    As far as racing goes and hacks complaining about how easy World Cup courses, those people are either dumb or completely delusional. They have no idea how fast pros are riding their bikes.

    Local riders complaining about local courses? Probably the same thing. They get dropped and then say "Yeah, I could have got them if the course was harder"

    Sure you could have. Sure.

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    guys i ride with - im better than some and worse than a few, all pends on the skills involved (cannot manual to save my life, but faster through the tech for example)
    guys riding same trails as me - probably closer to the bottom of the ladder
    racing - getting spanked left right and center

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    Quote Originally Posted by limba View Post
    As far as racing goes and hacks complaining about how easy World Cup courses, those people are either dumb or completely delusional. They have no idea how fast pros are riding their bikes.

    Local riders complaining about local courses? Probably the same thing. They get dropped and then say "Yeah, I could have got them if the course was harder"

    Sure you could have. Sure.
    +1 on that one. I think almost any trail can be a huge challenge if you are going fast enough and you have to have respect for racing speeds. I have never raced and ride flat pedals because of the kind of riding I like to do. However, I have huge respect for guys ripping it through the the trails. It is a skill that a lot of people can't appreciate as they are not fast enough.

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    I got mad skillz yo. I voted yes.

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    Obviously it depends where the trail is. In Ontario, I'm comfortable in almost any technical situation. During the BC Bike Race last year, I was limited not by fitness, but back and arm strength. The level of technical challenge wasn't much higher than what we've got here, but a 10m long rock garden is a long way from a 3km long rock garden... (hardtail didn't help!).

    Regarding complaints of race courses... Feh. I'd been mountain biking for over 10 years when I started racing. I was confident I could handle anything. Turned out I had to totally re-learn how to mountain bike... I'd lose 10 ft. to my competition on every single tight turn. Riding at race speed and race intensity is an entirely different experience.

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    For reference to technical trails the BCBR uses mostly poodle path level trails compared to what is actually considered technical in BC.

    They no longer have an opening stage on the Shore, word is that it was just way too technical. They used what is generally considered to be the easiest trails on the Shore.

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    Quote Originally Posted by limba View Post
    As far as racing goes and hacks complaining about how easy World Cup courses, those people are either dumb or completely delusional. They have no idea how fast pros are riding their bikes.

    Local riders complaining about local courses? Probably the same thing. They get dropped and then say "Yeah, I could have got them if the course was harder"

    Sure you could have. Sure.
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    Quote Originally Posted by limba View Post
    As far as racing goes and hacks complaining about how easy World Cup courses, those people are either dumb or completely delusional. They have no idea how fast pros are riding their bikes.
    I've actually ridden several World Cup XC and DH courses, the DH courses are every bit as hard as they look, actually worse, but the XC courses aren't that bad. Obviously I was left sucking wind on every big climb but I was hardly fighting for my life on the flats or downhill sections, I no dabbed them, and if I can no dab a trail it's not hard. Is it harder at pro speed? Sure. But that's why they're pros.

    As for the local courses, they might as well be paved sidewalks compared to the WC courses I rode.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shirk View Post
    For reference to technical trails the BCBR uses mostly poodle path level trails compared to what is actually considered technical in BC.

    They no longer have an opening stage on the Shore, word is that it was just way too technical. They used what is generally considered to be the easiest trails on the Shore.
    No argument here. I did it the last year the opening stage was on the Shore and I'm not ashamed to admit I had to walk a couple of bits on the way down.
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    Many of the people that tried to ride every section of the first day's stage crashed bad enough to be broken (them or their bike), there was an unusually high casualty rate.

    Quote Originally Posted by garage monster View Post
    No argument here. I did it the last year the opening stage was on the Shore and I'm not ashamed to admit I had to walk a couple of bits on the way down.
    Speaking of BCBR and World Cup racers, these two came in about 13 minutes after the first pro racer guys on that first day stage.
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    If you found the Shore section of the BCBR challenging then your head would explode if you tried to ride Jack The Ripper in Pemberton.

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    i'd be about average but becoming more cautious as i get older, taking less chances.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CptSydor View Post
    Stemming from a variety of stuff I've seen posted and a stat I once saw...'80% of people believe they are better than the average driver'.

    So I ask, just for giggles 'compared to the people you generally ride with, the people you see on the trails, or the dreaded racer crowd. Are your technical skills better than them?

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    my answer is no even if i ride by myself. since there was no option like this, i did not vote in protest...
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    Quote Originally Posted by CptSydor View Post

    I guess it probably stems more from commentary about racing and how it seems that more often than not (at least written and from my perception), people always say the more technical a course, the better they would do. I was also triggered by reading quite a few Steaming Nostril race reports (not just here) and more often than not, it seems like everyone passed all sorts of people on the rail trail, but no on ever seems to have gotten passed.
    You hear this alot after races. Personally I believe all this would have done better if it was more technical is really individuals making up an excuse for why they didn't do better than they expected. You know, justifying their poor performance.

    Reality is it takes a lot of hard work to get good at the type of racing you love. And getting good at it means practicing things like clearing logs at race speed over and over again. Till you do it without a thought easily.

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    I just get off and run during races on all kinds of things I could easily ride ordinarily.

    Why? Because for one, my sense of equilibrium has been replaced by a gooey puddle of lactic acid, along with 40-60% of the rest of my oxygen-starved brain. Off the bike I go.

    So if my "skillz" aren't ready for prime time, they have to get the thumbs down.
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    Quote Originally Posted by secret agent View Post
    +1 on that one. I think almost any trail can be a huge challenge if you are going fast enough and you have to have respect for racing speeds. I have never raced and ride flat pedals because of the kind of riding I like to do. However, I have huge respect for guys ripping it through the the trails. It is a skill that a lot of people can't appreciate as they are not fast enough.
    Speaking of WC XC courses. I just reread an article on Scottish Cycling and the XC team. I found it interesting that the Scottish XC coach specifically has the XC racers spend some of their training time riding pump tracks and dirt jumps. He observed how XC courses at the WC level are progressing and is making the riders do it so they are comfortable with getting air.

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    It is hard to say that all skills can be placed under one umbrella of 'technical'. I am really good at steep climbs w/obstacles, log-hops, straight bunny-hops, and can keep a fair head of steam through really twisty stuff.

    However, I am totally awkward with my wheels off of the ground and generally lack the balls to pin wide open DH sections at my limit.

    So yeah to echo some previous responses 'depends who I'm riding with'. Maybe top 80th percentile among Ocup XCers but probably bottom 20th percentile of anyone under 25 years old that goes to Joyride150 on a regular basis.
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    I once rode with Aerious, I believe he has about 12 pictures of me attempting to approach a bridge and then walking it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by veteran_youth View Post
    However, I am totally awkward with my wheels off of the ground and generally lack the balls to pin wide open DH sections at my limit.
    Airtime is not my friend either, I'm fine for the most part on drops and floater type jumps, but throw a steep jump or kicker at me and it's not going to be pretty. I was schooled pretty badly by kids half my age on the Joyride150 jumps. I'm also on the slower side in DH but I can ride almost anything as long as it doesn't have giant drops and gap jumps.

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    I'm new to mtb. I went straight from road cycling to dh after my first year riding off road trails. It was a steep learning curve with high consequence but what helps me is riding with and following riders with much better technical skills. This season I'll be learning and practicing dirt jumping (especially gap jumps) on the backyard pump track. I'm always challenging myself and trying to improve my technical skills.
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    The way I figure it is: I only want to be better than one person on the trail. Myself. Thats the same person that keeps beating me also. haha

    I absolutely enjoy riding with friends that are just starting, on the other hand I really respect the guys that can shred the trails. Nothing like watching someone weave through a trail at speeds you can't even comprehend.

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    I have no idea how good I am, I ride, have fun and depending on the day can blast through at mach 5 or just roll with flow. I am getting to old now todo some crazy ass ****, still have the nerve but now injuries take for ****ing ever to heal. I am a couple years shy of 50 and still hold my own in the trails, I do trials as well when I can find the time. Its one sport that needs 3 hours a day to become half assed decent and I suck at it but I did get the rear tire hope going last summer. Hoping to pickup a new trials bike this spring.
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    I would have said better than average when I lived in London but since moving to Ottawa, I have learned that I am in fact not. What a difference speed and big sharp rocks make in terms of what I am willing to ride. Locals here ride it all like it is no big deal. I am looking forward to getting better.

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    Sketchy climbs and somewhat sketchy decents are the only things I'm good at.

    I suck at clearing large obstacles mostly because of fear, can't bunny hop at all (the correct way), and lost the stones to do big drops.

    'Big drops' means to me, 3 or 4 feet to flat on a hardtail, which is sucky in its own right!

    I'd say I'm average compared to most of the people I ride with. We are not beginners by any means, but remain in awe of people who actually have skills.

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    People I ride with say I ride take on goat paths... some might be.. lol.

    I may have to find a new group.. they are turning into... I hate to say it... "roadies".

    Single track is by far my fav. logs, ruts, and that step hill on the right (as you head out) that goes mostly straight up... I have yet to make it past 3/4 of the way up... maybe this year...
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