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    Puslinch Vs HydroCut

    My wife and I will have a kid free day coming up which will involve travelling from London to Toronto. We are going to stop and ride somewhere in between the two, but I can't decide between Puslinch and the HydroCut. I have not ridden either, so I'm looking for some advice.

    What would you pick?

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    Well I have never done Puslinch but if we get a ton of rain the cut with be muddy, other than that I was just there last weekedn and was awesome.I might be hitting Turkey Point this weekend of the rain keeps up.

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    I would pick Hydrocut.

    While I thoroughly enjoy riding at both,

    1) Hydrocut is easier to navigate. It's very simple to follow the trails around covering everything without thinking too much. All trails are one way and it's well marked at intersections. While you can't get lost in Punslinch and it's not hard to get yourself going, it's a spaghetti platter of singletrack with lots of linguine doubletrack thrown on top. If you can follow the blue blazes (or yellow, can't remember), it should lead you through a continual 18-20 km loop, but frankly I always end off track at some point.

    2) Hydrocut has a few more interesting features, like Kamikaze, rock overs, fast, flowy down hills, and slightly more elevation changes (though both are pretty flat).

    Either way you'll have fun.

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    If you decide on Hydrocut which would be my choice as well:

    The Hydrocut

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    Both trails are my home trails. The Cpt. is right about the 'cut being way easier to navigate than Puslinch. If you are fit it is a real blast because it is such a fast place but it is a completely different and somewhat boring ride from a technical standpoint. As long as you have momentum there is little that is tough to get over at the 'cut.

    Stay away from the 'cut if it's been wet. The place does not drain well b/c it's clay.

    Puslinch has some fast flowy sections too but tons of it is really rocky rooted short steep stuff where screwing up even a bit means you aren't making the climb. The big problem with Puslinch is knowing where to find everything just like CPT. said. Once you do though, you'll end up hooked. There's one section of singletrack called 'the never ending trail' that goes on for ever and is tight enough that you can use the small ring if you are tired. It is also middle ring doable for the hearty. This damned section is so long that I am almost hoping for it to be over so my forearms get a break.

    Stupid fast race pace for the 'cut is 1:15 but normal people will be between 1:30 and 2 hours, non stop. A few breaks and you will 2- 2.5 hrs no problem.

    Puslinch is easily two hours because it is so easy to get lost. I have never actually ridden all of it in one session because I always forget or miss something.

    It's a better place if it's been wet. Dries up really quick.

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    Agree with everyone. I ride Puslinch 30 times a year and still get lost. If its only one day and you want to push out the kms do hydro, if you would rather explore,get lost,stepped on by a horse and possibly ride in circles for 40 mins do puslinch. in my opinion way more fun ride puslinch.
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    Great Intel - thanks all!

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    One thing, Puslinch is right on the 401, takes just a couple of minutes to get there. I'm not sure if you can get there from the closed service center or not.
    Puslinch is my favorite place to ride - it's not that hard to find your way around it.

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    If it hasn't rained, definitely go try the Hydrocut. And stop at The Blue Moon tavern on your way out of town for a pint & a patio.

    Puslinch is good but very difficult to navigate. It will be easier to have fun at the Hydrocut instead.

    There's a couple km's of trails in Woodstock not far off the 401 if you haven't been here yet... Official all-things-Woodstock mountain biking thread
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    I'm gonna say go to Puslinch because, unlike the 'cut, I have never broken any bones there....
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    Puslinch if it has rained because it basically is a gravel pit Hydrocut will have closed signs up and you dont want to see your pic on the wall of shame see Hydrocut blog for that one, you may get a little lost but basically its a rectangle with 401 on north side and country roads on the 3 other. Get lost have fun if time is an issue pop out on the road and ride back to you car. It is also within less than 5 min drive from 401 Townline exit

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    I rode Pushlinch once and I will never ever do it again. The trails have little to no flow to them. It's like they tried to cram as much trail into the technical section as they could with little regards to flow. You're riding over other people constantly because of this too.
    Another pleasing factor about Pushlinch, is the trail is covered Tim Horton's cups and smells like dog piss and ****. Does everybody in that area walk their dog there? I couldn't ride 3 meters without getting a whiff of piss or ****. It's disgusting.

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    Heading to the 'cut tomorrow for the first time, the map looks great, pretty straight forward, are there any 'must hit' trails?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Greg_o View Post
    Heading to the 'cut tomorrow for the first time, the map looks great, pretty straight forward, are there any 'must hit' trails?
    Kamikaze is the "must hit" line but they're all great. You'll have a blast.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Greg_o View Post
    Heading to the 'cut tomorrow for the first time, the map looks great, pretty straight forward, are there any 'must hit' trails?
    For the average rider, you can ride everything in hydrocut in under 2 hours at steady pace. So I say plan for it all! Not hard to make sure you ride everything either.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Greg_o View Post
    Heading to the 'cut tomorrow for the first time, the map looks great, pretty straight forward, are there any 'must hit' trails?
    Kamikaze must be hit with momentum.

    There is 3 or 4 steep pitches that rely on momentum from the downhill before each pitch. Middle ring, 3rd or 4th in the back for the whole thing. Get a few pedal strokes in on each of the downhills.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CptSydor View Post
    For the average rider, you can ride everything in hydrocut in under 2 hours at steady pace. So I say plan for it all! Not hard to make sure you ride everything either.
    Be sure to do Adam's Run. It's a bit of an orphan and can be easy to miss but it's worth the effort. It's usually the last thing I do before I head back to the parking lot.

    EDIT: Oh and be on the lookout for some of the alternate lines (through optional rock gardens and over fun obstacles, for example).
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    Yes look out for Adams Run, it's a great trail! The entrance for it is marked west of the trail map sign in the pines section. It has received some great improvements over the past year.

    Definitely aim to ride the entire network though. Logistically I find it more natural to navigate from the Glasgow entrance (east side of the network).

    And definitely keep the momentum up on Kamikaze if you ride the high line!

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    Thanks all for the advice. Had a blast, really happy I went today. Will be back for sure. Kamikazee was nuts (really wasn't expecting that, even after dru's detailed tutorial) Adams Run was great too, long but fun.

    Probably disliked Twister the most - it was weird - fun twisty and tight but a complete barrage of branched to the face. Actually it was still enjoyable, just with the low visibility from growth was hard to know where you're going, so not much flow for me.

    Got the most speed (continuous) and flow on the blue squares and single black diamonds like Bride, Stinky Girl and Monkey Boy.

    Also must mention everyone I met there was super cool, and a distinct lack of tight spandex compared to my regular trails (cough Albion cough).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Greg_o View Post
    Also must mention everyone I met there was super cool, and a distinct lack of tight spandex compared to my regular trails (cough Albion cough).
    Folks around this forum talk about enjoying their riding, regardless of whether it's up/down, on whatever trails, wearing whatever they like (baggies, jeans, spandex, doesn't matter) If you feel the need to judge people based on what they wear, take it back to high school please.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Greg_o View Post
    Probably disliked Twister the most - it was weird - fun twisty and tight but a complete barrage of branched to the face. Actually it was still enjoyable, just with the low visibility from growth was hard to know where you're going, so not much flow for me.
    That bit does tend to get a bit "bushy" by this time of year. That section is the most fun in the spring and early summer. Glad you had fun otherwise. Kamikaze does take some getting used to - I can still remember how thrilled I was the first time I cleaned the whole thing - which takes a bit of doing on a rigid SS .
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    Quote Originally Posted by garage monster View Post
    That bit does tend to get a bit "bushy" by this time of year. That section is the most fun in the spring and early summer. Glad you had fun otherwise. Kamikaze does take some getting used to - I can still remember how thrilled I was the first time I cleaned the whole thing - which takes a bit of doing on a rigid SS .
    Hah, my rigid misfit makes me pay dearly for taking her on the Kamikaze trail. Definitely shakes out the shoulders!

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    Heading over to Hydrocut tomorrow early afternoon. I can't believe it's the first time this season. How time flies.
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    Puslinch Vs HydroCut

    Few us will be there on Sunday. Looking forward to it

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    Got to the Hydrocut on the weekend and really enjoyed it. My compliments to the trail keepers there!

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    Puslinch Vs HydroCut

    ^ It was the first time at Cut for me. Had a great time.

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    Was there Saturday and enjoyed the trails and I have to say the friendliest riders on any trails I have ridden for a long time. Was there solo and hitched a ride with two different groups. Had an awesome time and got into a nice discussion in the parking lot over a couple of bikes. Riding nice trails and talking shop afterwards on a nice day can't be beat.
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    Hydrocut was in great shape this weekend for sure, took a solo lap on Friday on my hardtail in 1hr 36m only skipping Jessica, then again on Sunday on my big bike with friends albeit at a slower, bigger-air kind of pace.

    I gotta say it though: really wish Waterloo Cycling Club would invest in gas trimmers, or scythes, or machetes, maybe an army of trail-crew monkeys, whatever... just for those couple sections that are perpetually overgrown and nasty, year over year over year... *cough* Twister *cough* ... plus every time the trail crosses the actual power-line cut... just sayin'!

    And on that note... those huge downed trees on Andy's BBQ Run, that's going to be a new skinny log-ride feature, right? RIGHT? It's freakin' perfect!!! A-frame up the root base, the trunk is so low to the ground right now, it's already ready already!
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    Quote Originally Posted by VR6ix View Post

    I gotta say it though: really wish Waterloo Cycling Club would invest in gas trimmers, or scythes, or machetes, maybe an army of trail-crew monkeys, whatever... just for those couple sections that are perpetually overgrown and nasty, year over year over year... *cough* Twister *cough* ... plus every time the trail crosses the actual power-line cut... just sayin'!
    There's only so much manpower available. The main guy, Igor Dragoslavic has given up part of his soul to the trail system. Most of the time he puts a call out for help it's to remove downed trees. The region doesn't allow the WCC to use power tools, so it is all manual labour. The scrub you are talking about is a pain but is really low priority compared to the other work.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dru View Post
    There's only so much manpower available. The main guy, Igor Dragoslavic has given up part of his soul to the trail system. Most of the time he puts a call out for help it's to remove downed trees. The region doesn't allow the WCC to use power tools, so it is all manual labour. The scrub you are talking about is a pain but is really low priority compared to the other work.

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    Understood, let me know if you need extra manpower to deal with the scrub if there's a trail-work day planned in advance, I'm sure a couple Woodstock fellows would head over to lend a hand. We love Hydrocut! It's just more fun when the flora isn't smacking you in the face constantly.
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    Quote Originally Posted by VR6ix View Post
    It's just more fun when the fauna isn't smacking you in the face constantly.
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    Quote Originally Posted by VR6ix
    Understood, let me know if you need extra manpower to deal with the scrub if there's a trail-work day planned in advance, I'm sure a couple Woodstock fellows would head over to lend a hand.
    To be honest I'm just the occasional grunt as far as trail work. I injured my hand back in March and haven't been able to help at all this year.

    As mentioned Igor Dragoslavic is the MAN. He's stupidly fast too, which makes me hate him even more than I would otherwise......

    Igor posts his site and on the WCC site when he does a big trail day, so I'll provide links for you. He also has a lot of people's e mails for quick shout outs for help after wind storms.

    http://waterloocyclingclub.ca/
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    Generally the big trail days will have 50 or 60 people show up.

    It's a lot of fun, Igor's a good guy, and most everyone who helps out is cool.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dru View Post
    Generally the big trail days will have 50 or 60 people show up.

    It's a lot of fun, Igor's a good guy, and most everyone who helps out is cool.

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    Quote Originally Posted by afalts View Post
    *flora

    Would be quite the sight if it was fauna
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    I grew up just down the road from Hydrocut just outside New Dundee. Looking forward to taking my bike when I visit the folks for Turkey.

    Is there much elevation change on the trails?

    The Glascow parking lot - is it obvious? Looking on Google Maps it looks like you park beside the first hydro tower.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Van G View Post
    I grew up just down the road from Hydrocut just outside New Dundee. Looking forward to taking my bike when I visit the folks for Turkey.

    Is there much elevation change on the trails?

    The Glascow parking lot - is it obvious? Looking on Google Maps it looks like you park beside the first hydro tower.
    There isn't much elevation change (though I guess that is all relative). It's what most people would call short, punchy climbs. Typically 10-20 m at a time.

    As for the parking lot, it's very easy to see. If the weather is nice, there will be lots of cars with bikes. And yes, the first part of the parking lot is right at the hydro tower. If that is full, there is another lot if you continue through it and down the dirt road.

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    How long after rain before it's rideable? Say 10mm shower.

    Assuming anything more than 20mm and it's a right off for a couple days.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Van G View Post
    How long after rain before it's rideable? Say 10mm shower.

    Assuming anything more than 20mm and it's a right off for a couple days.
    You can always check out the blog

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    10 mm this time of year would likely be a good solid day of sunshine/wind.

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    Fingers crossed for rain free Thanksgiving!
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    I rode the 'cut Thursday, and damn, if I didn't have a good ride! For some reason I was feeling halfway good and then chased a faster guy for 20 minutes or so. Made for a good time. When I start to push it when tired I tend to veer sideways when landing stuff but luckily avoided my usual fate of plowing into trees and brush. A good ride, and somehow no crashes!

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    I rode on the Hydrocut on Saturday (12th) and it was awesome, although I only went on ~7 trials, they were pretty clean compared to some @ Kelso.
    Will definitely be coming back, hopefully this year... and hopefully be able to lend a hand with some maintenance next year!

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    It's Puslinch, all the way. I can do without the speed-freak, crypto-roadie smugness of the HC.
    I try to ride Puslinch (in both directions-take that, 1 way Hydronium Cu*t snobs!) at least a couple of times per week, and still approach sections there with a sense of dread and awe.
    The fact that Puslinch is rideable nearly everyday of the year, compared to the mud/puke fest that is the Hydro Cut Dumpside trails, and it's a no-brainer.
    Anyone who thinks otherwise has been breathing in way too much of the Landfill gases, there; it is a proven fact that chronic exposure to hydrogen sulfide, a key component of landfill offgases, causes serious central nervous system damage.
    Check out Puslinch right now, and you've got no excuse for getting lost-just follow the knobby prints in the snow!

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