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    Doored to death, that one. Here in Toronto we know that comes with a mandatory $90 fine, plus the victim surcharge, for a grand total of about $110 and no demerit points. I suspect many in Ottawa were surprised to learn of this.

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    Gee... so I'm not delusional?

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    The last report was pretty thorough and dramatically under-implemented. They could save themselves some time and just change the date on the front page...
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    Quote Originally Posted by garage monster View Post
    The last report was pretty thorough and dramatically under-implemented. They could save themselves some time and just change the date on the front page...
    Since I'm lazy and to busy enjoying some Guinness at work you have a link? Googling would take to much work.

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    Quote Originally Posted by garage monster View Post
    When I commute, I have a series of axioms running through my head. One of them is "trucks are death". I will never lane-share with, or filter next to, a truck that has open wheels. Now I remember how I came to that axiom:

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    A different picture emerged when an analysis of vehicle type by licensed class was applied to the 38 cyclist fatalities. While Class G vehicles still accounted for the majority of fatal collisions, large vehicles were involved in 37 per cent of collisions resulting in cyclist fatalities (compared with only eight per cent of collisions resulting in cyclist injuries). This difference must be attributed to an increased likelihood of cyclist fatality in collisions with large vehicles. For example, there was one cyclist fatality for every 125 non-fatal collisions involving large vehicles (Class A, B, C, D and M) as opposed to one cyclist fatality for every 488 non-fatal collisions involving Class G motor vehicles. Thus, it appears that a cyclist's collision with a large vehicle is approximately four times more likely to result in cyclist fatality than a cyclist's collision with a Class G vehicle.
    Other axioms include: Taxis are out to kill you; avoid any trucks with lettering on them (especially lettering that advertises a construction company); running a light is a good way to die; BMWs are aggressive; Volvos and Mercedes are not; never assume that someone will not cut you off.

    These axioms may not be true 100% of the time, and they may not be for everyone, everywhere, but they get me home safe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kay. View Post
    Doored to death, that one. Here in Toronto we know that comes with a mandatory $90 fine, plus the victim surcharge, for a grand total of about $110 and no demerit points. I suspect many in Ottawa were surprised to learn of this.
    Yes, for crying out loud i can't believe all the doorings and near doorings i see in Toronto. People need to stop flinging the door open blindly just because the lane marker is a few feet away and traffic won't rip your door off!

    There was another study done by the coroner probably a decade about, with numerous recommendations... however as i understand none of these findings will be binding in anyway - at least it seems that way since most of the last probe's findings were left in the floor.

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    In not unrelated news, my favourite show, Canada's Worst Driver, starts up again for a new season tonight at 10PM on Discovery.
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    Quote Originally Posted by garage monster View Post
    In not unrelated news, my favourite show, Canada's Worst Driver, starts up again for a new season tonight at 10PM on Discovery.
    Why watch it when I live it every commute to work?

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    Quote Originally Posted by garage monster View Post
    In not unrelated news, my favourite show, Canada's Worst Driver, starts up again for a new season tonight at 10PM on Discovery.
    That show is terrifying.
    When under pressure, your level of performance will sink to your level of preparation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rkj__ View Post
    That show is terrifying.
    As is Canada's Worst Handyman. If you ever wonder why hand tools have all those safety & warning labels on them, well, watch the show.

    I'm actually rather surprised that no one's gotten Darwin'd yet on those shows.

    As for doorings, one of the things I learned in my brief bike messenger stint is to look at the sideview mirror on all parked cars. If you see a face in the mirror, assume that the driver will attempt to door you or drive into you and ride accordingly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by garage monster View Post
    The last report was pretty thorough and dramatically under-implemented. They could save themselves some time and just change the date on the front page...
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    Quote Originally Posted by rkj__ View Post
    That show is terrifying.
    It's a pretty sobering look into what's all around you on the road out there.

    Among many, many memorable drivers, Donna from Season 4 was probably my favourite. Nominated by her son and suffering from angina, she tried to claim that she only drove drunk on her way to bingo...

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    Here is the spoiler, distracted driving is through the roof.. txt'n people crash into everything. From a safety and performance standpoint i heard it's like slamming 3 beers and buckling up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by smarty View Post
    BMWs are aggressive
    I swear if we removed beemers and white contracting vans from the road, 90% of my 'incidents' would disappear with them.
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    True to form, last night's episode of Canada's Worst Driver featured the usual panoply of malcontents, psychopaths and menaces that's made the show so dear to me. Honestly, every time I watch this show, I wonder how more people don't die on the roads every year!
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    ...BMWs are aggressive; Volvos and Mercedes are not....
    I dunno.... BMW drivers might seem more aggressive than some, especially on the highway, but as a cyclist, I've had more close calls with inattentive soccer moms/dads in minivans/SUVs/station wagons in a rush -- to whom I appear invisible -- and blue collar redneck types in pickup trucks who actually DO see me and either don't give a crap or believe bikes don't belong on roads.

    But I'm totally with you on axioms. Mine are: 1) Assume every driver making a turn at an intersection doesn't see you; 2) Every parked auto is a potential dooring and every auto approaching from behind nearing an intersection is a potential right-hook waiting to happen, so ride just far enough out from the curb to prevent either. Sure, it will upset some motorists wanting to pass, but I value my life and well being more than the convenience of saving them a few seconds on their drive to work.

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    Quote Originally Posted by garage monster View Post
    True to form, last night's episode of Canada's Worst Driver featured the usual panoply of malcontents, psychopaths and menaces that's made the show so dear to me. Honestly, every time I watch this show, I wonder how more people don't die on the roads every year!

    I refuse to believe the show is real. Please tell me its not real

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    Quote Originally Posted by 14Stone View Post
    I refuse to believe the show is real. Please tell me its not real
    Remember the guy a few seasons back who brake checked tractor trailers because they pissed him off? I've seen that happen on the 401, except it ended in a Darwin when the truck just ran him over. And back when I worked in a bike shop, we saw a guy cave in the entire side of a customer's car while attempting to pull out of a parking space. Having seen real life examples of the stupidity that goes down in the show I'm pretty sure it's real.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 14Stone View Post
    I refuse to believe the show is real. Please tell me its not real
    The cast of characters is a bit formulaic (the bimbo, the speed demon, the texter, the befuddled granny, the panicky lady, the angry mom, the ambiguous sexuality guy...) but it's always entertaining. It's hard to believe some of these people ever earned their licenses in the first place!
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    Quote Originally Posted by garage monster View Post
    The cast of characters is a bit formulaic (the bimbo, the speed demon, the texter, the befuddled granny, the panicky lady, the angry mom, the ambiguous sexuality guy...) but it's always entertaining. It's hard to believe some of these people ever earned their licenses in the first place!
    I'm just waiting for the host to get run-over...

    BTW, volvo is statistically the most likely luxury brand car to be involved in an accident. It makes sense since people buy them because they're safe - i.e. crashing into something is first and foremost on their mind, perhaps they even plan on it. I think the same thing sorta goes for soccer moms in SUV - daddy thinks baby needs something big because mommy is a scary ass driver. Or something... It's not like you ever get to see these drivers coming, only afterwards does it make more sense. Maybe i'm bitter about large cars because on multiple occasions i've almost been turned into a smear of "lipstick" on the road by fabulous women in gigantic luxury SUVs who are seriously putting that makeup allover their face instead of watching where their mirrors are or they're just txt'n away or digging through that gigantic ass handbag. If you ask me they should be painting bozo the clown on their faces instead!

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    Cycling safety issues.

    Apparently a group of "experts" the Canadian safety council, think using a cell phone, listening to music and not wearing a helmet are the significant factors for cyclists being run-over. Not right-hooks and doorings... as the hospital admissions note.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ghettocruiser View Post
    I swear if we removed beemers and white contracting vans from the road, 90% of my 'incidents' would disappear with them.
    lol how true... though the blinged out luxury pick-up with the useless rigid tonneau cover is a close third in my neck of the woods.
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    The Canadian safety council? Never heard of it.

    Sidewalks and unpaved off-road trails have the highest risks.
    That hasn't been my experience at all. I've never been hit by a car on the sidewalk or off-road. Golly, I sure hope we aren't paying for this blatantly disingenuous safety advice with our taxpayer dollars.

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    We use your tax dollars with zero loss, and 100% efficiency.

    Move along citizen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kay. View Post
    I've never been hit by a car on the sidewalk
    I've been hit three or four times on the sidewalk.

    Of course, none of those incidents involved a bicycle.
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    Quote Originally Posted by electrik View Post
    volvo is statistically the most likely luxury brand car to be involved in an accident.
    Yep. A BMW suv backed into ours less than a month after we bought it new.

    Now that it's old and banged-up people have (oddly) stopped hitting it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 14Stone View Post
    I refuse to believe the show is real. Please tell me its not real
    Oh yes it's real and the drivers on it are frequently worse than you can imagine.
    Watching it is a weird blend of laughter, frustration, anger and fear. Sometimes though the people on it get their comeuppance, a few years ago there was a kid who drove with no regard for safety, his or others, and was applying to be a police officer (a fact he used whenever he was pulled over to get out of the ticket). He was pretty much unrepentant.
    Of the panel of judges on the show one is an officer and he made some calls...

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    Quote Originally Posted by smarty View Post
    Other axioms include: Taxis are out to kill you; avoid any trucks with lettering on them (especially lettering that advertises a construction company); running a light is a good way to die; BMWs are aggressive; Volvos and Mercedes are not; never assume that someone will not cut you off.

    These axioms may not be true 100% of the time, and they may not be for everyone, everywhere, but they get me home safe.
    Much simpler view.. learned this from the old man when I was about 10.

    Treat everyone operating a vehicle like they are nuts and out to kill you.

    More times then I can count that view has saved my life.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Enduramil View Post
    Much simpler view.. learned this from the old man when I was about 10.

    Treat everyone operating a vehicle like they are nuts and out to kill you.
    Yup, I learned that one from my dad at an early age. It's saved me from a lot of accidents back when I needed to commute to work on the 401. Saved me a bunch of time too when I used to bike to work.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Surestick Malone View Post
    Oh yes it's real and the drivers on it are frequently worse than you can imagine.
    Watching it is a weird blend of laughter, frustration, anger and fear. Sometimes though the people on it get their comeuppance, a few years ago there was a kid who drove with no regard for safety, his or others, and was applying to be a police officer (a fact he used whenever he was pulled over to get out of the ticket). He was pretty much unrepentant.
    Of the panel of judges on the show one is an officer and he made some calls...
    When Angelina was one of the drivers and they made a big deal of her being from Sudbury, I told my Mom to keep an eye out for her on the road. She was mental!

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    What should scare you all is the fact all these types who lose their licences or get banned for life... go out and by those E Scooters.. oops I meant E Bikes.

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    Not really. What scares me is that these people are still out there driving around in their cars, their friends' cars, or some stolen cars even though their licenses have been suspended for a few years or taken away for life.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aerius View Post
    Not really. What scares me is that these people are still out there driving around in their cars, their friends' cars, or some stolen cars even though their licenses have been suspended for a few years or taken away for life.

    i would say the current auto insurance rates scare me... and weak sauce licensing...
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    Quote Originally Posted by singlesprocket View Post
    i would say the current auto insurance rates scare me... and weak sauce licensing...
    Man, don't even get me started on our piss-poor licensing standards, that's something that I've been known to rant about for hours. Let's put it this way, I should've failed my driving test; I pulled into the parking space at the end of the test without signalling, that should've been an automatic failure but I only lost 6 points out of 100 for doing that and came out of the test with a 94. Which is ridiculous because there was no way I was perfect up to that point. And that was when graduated licensing was first introduced and they were being complete hardasses and failing a lot more drivers than usual to prove that it worked.

    As for insurance rates, I have a perfect record and drive an older family sedan. There's a fair number of wheelsets that cost more than my insurance.

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    Female cyclist killed after being hit by truck in west-end - The Globe and Mail

    Sounds like the classic right-hook and getting dragged down under the rear wheel Worth noting that side-guards for large vehicles was one of the recommendations in the 1998 report.

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    Quote Originally Posted by spsoon View Post
    Female cyclist killed after being hit by truck in west-end - The Globe and Mail

    Sounds like the classic right-hook and getting dragged down under the rear wheel Worth noting that side-guards for large vehicles was one of the recommendations in the 1998 report.
    Yeah, I saw this... slow, painful and just awful way to go out. May she rest in peace.

    Even though it's not unlawful to pedal up the right side if there is space, just stay back. Driver might turn on you without signalling and you'll be in big trouble. If a large truck is coming up behind you at an intersection to turn right, move over left so they clearly can't get by.

    Remember, right side - suicide. Just take to left and watch out for doors on either side!

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    [QUOTE=electrik;8608697]Yeah, I saw this... slow, painful and just awful way to go out. May she rest in peace.
    Rob Ford stated that if a cyclist is killed on the roads of Toronto "It's their own fault, the roads were built for cars and trucks, not bikes"

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    I challenged Dr. Cass to get the latest at-fault percentages out into the public domain asap.

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    The 2003 report had plenty of at-fault percentages, and they showed broad-daylight hit-from-behinds as the leading fatality source.

    Motorists, police, and the vehicular cycling community put their hands over their ears and yelled la-la-la and went back to blaming headphones, lack of helmets, lack of bells, riding too far right in the lane, and whatever the hell else would remove the need for them to personally do anything different.

    Of course, the solution being proposed is even more insane, that being to chant that "sidewalk cycling is dangerous" (which it often is) and then declare the need to build physically separated little bike paths along the sides of the road and tell us to use them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by spsoon View Post
    Worth noting that side-guards for large vehicles was one of the recommendations in the 1998 report.
    Also worth noting is that side-guards have been required equipment for all trucks operating in mainland China for at least 10 years.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ghettocruiser View Post
    Also worth noting is that side-guards have been required equipment for all trucks operating in mainland China for at least 10 years.

    Yeah.. well u know.. there are cyclists in China.

    Everybody here prolly knows this, but a blog post is currently floating around.

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    Quote Originally Posted by electrik View Post
    Yeah.. well u know.. there are cyclists in China.
    Swarms of them. More than the cars on the road in many places. They seem to get along with the cars just fine, though I did get t-boned in Qian-an once when riding back to my hotel with a 2-4 on the back rack.

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    For anyone who's actually interested in making a submission to the review (as opposed to chit-chatting about it on the internetz, ), here's the low down:

    Quote Originally Posted by Ontario NEWSROOM
    October 24, 2011

    Dr. Andrew McCallum, Chief Coroner for Ontario is announcing that the Office of the Chief Coroner will be conducting a review of cycling deaths across the province. This review is being undertaken as a result of public concern surrounding the issue of cycling safety.

    The review will be led by Dr. Dan Cass, Regional Supervising Coroner - Toronto West Region, and will include deaths from 2006 to 2010. The purpose of the review is to identify common factors that may have played a role in the deaths, and where possible, to make recommendations to prevent similar deaths. The review is expected to be completed in spring 2012. A report will be issued at its conclusion.

    A coalition of groups including cyclists and seniors represented by lawyers Patrick Brown and Albert Koehl commended the Coroner's Office.

    Members of the public are invited to offer comments or recommendations to the review panel before November 30, 2011, by writing to:

    Dr. Dan Cass - Regional Supervising Coroner - Toronto West Region
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    We (the Hamilton Cycling Committee) will be making a submission but at our last meeting most of just agreed that they should just save the money an implement the last report...
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    Quote Originally Posted by electrik View Post
    Everybody here prolly knows this, but a blog post is currently floating around.
    Indeed

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    Yes, ticked-off drivers will lay on their horn and, yes, they will scream rudies and gesticulate at you in fury, but in the end, this is harmless.
    His advice is good, very good even... but I have a hard time believing he was a courier in Toronto for all those years and never had someone deliberately fender him for daring to take a lane.

    Having a motorist "teach you a lesson" with their fender is not harmless, IMO, although I've never been hit hard enough myself to go down.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Const. Hugh Smith
    Anything you attach to a bicycle is going to hinder your movement as far as the length of the turn, the amount of work it takes — the gear that you're in — for you to get through the turn, Most times we say a bike is designed for one person, unless it's a tandem.".
    Two things here:

    1. He is suggesting the length of the bike-trailer set-up on the turn might have been a factor, when the other vehicle involved was a TRACTOR TRAILER?

    2. Is he saying the bike trailer slowed her down? Should she have been going around the corner FASTER to be safe? A corner that had, among other things, a STOP SIGN?
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    Sergeant John Winter, with traffic services, said awareness and visibility are paramount for the safety of cyclists.

    “How many times have you seen cyclists going outside the bike lanes to pass other cyclists at a high rate of speed, and cutting others off and disobeying the traffic lights and stop signs, so it works both ways,” he said.
    I think the Sergeant must be the ranking NCO here. His opinion on the matter is more significant than that of the well-meaning but somewhat misguided Constable Smith.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Some other Cop
    "How many times have you seen cyclists going outside the bike lanes to pass other cyclists at a high rate of speed"
    Is he suggesting that there is a HTA infraction in this maneuver?

    Or only if I cut others off and run a stop sign (at the same time)?

    Why the bleep are the police offering road safety sound bites phrased as rhetorical questions?

    God help us.
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