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    ok so I bought a fat bike

    I had a look at the Pugs, Norco, Muk and some other brand they carry at Bike Zone. Once I put a leg over the Beargrease, it was all over. ended up driving to Port Colborne and met AJ who is a very nice guy. I will have to head over to that area and check the trails out there. it has the x9 drive train and bb7's. I already changed the bar to a carbon race face. I also have a set of xo's i might put on at some point for bling factor as I know the bb7 to be a reliable and effective brake. I will be vising BCD soon after the Holidays. This dump of snow could not have come at a better time. My titanium gravel grinder is now officially on the back burner for a while. Oggie was right!
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    Woo hoo! welcome to the club, you won't regret your investment!!!! Their an absolute blast. If you're ever in the Barrie area there's a large group of us with fatties that ride regularly if you'd like a guide

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    From "I am going to look at fat bikes" to "I bought a fat bike" in 3 days, congratulations!

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    Quote Originally Posted by aerius View Post
    From "I am going to look at fat bikes" to "I bought a fat bike" in 3 days, congratulations!
    yup, that easy...

    congrats secret agent - we should promote you to agent Bond. James Beargrease Bond.

    on unrelated note - we had a great fat ride today morning at Agreement forest. -15, felt like -22. it was awesome.
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    Sweet ride Cesar!!! Congratulations ...and that's a common experience. When I walked in and saw my Pugs for the first time I knew I wasn't leaving without it!
    But wow looking at these bikes ..I'm feeling so old school now with my '05 Pugs riding the original Endomorphs!! Maybe I'm just plain feeling old...turn 62 tomorrow lol!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by secret agent View Post
    I will be vising BCD soon after the Holidays. This dump of snow could not have come at a better time. My titanium gravel grinder is now officially on the back burner for a while. Oggie was right!
    Oggie is always right! I need switch to winter pedals on the fatbike, get my skis waxed, etc etc. The dump of snow here was 2 ft plus in 3 days, on top of what we already had!! Sled trails are groomed! The cold temps last night and today will firm things up and freeze any slush patches. Blue and I have managed to get out snowshoeing a few times in the evenings...


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    Happy birthday! I will post up tomorrow after my first proper ride.
    That first pic is awesome. Looking forward to a
    Ride up there.
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    Congrats!! Im loving all these fat bikes.

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    Congratulations on the new ride and welcome to the sickness! And Happy Birthday, BCD!

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    That looks sweet! I like the build too - the white-on-black is sharp! Congratulations!
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    Thanks guys. I took it out today to the Culham trail along the Credit River. It is only a few minutes ride from the house. I love the bike and fat biking. I think I need a little more pressure in the back. it felt a little bouncy. I'll have to play around with pressure, cadence and gearing and get used to the handling. Generally I have never ridden snow like this before. Climbing is a chore and a half and I have not figured out the gearing. Even with those tires, steeeper things seem impossible right now. While the trails here seem a bit short in the summer, they are long enough and a hell of a workout in the snow. The snow is pretty deep and powdery anywhere except on the main path. I got a lot of looks and stopped 3 times. Two of the times by a snow shoer and an XC skier who both bike in the summer. They absolutely loved the bike and the whole concept. I am a serious convert. I am going to get out a few more times and get things tweaked and then I'll be contacting a few people to find some good spots. I think we are going to need a fat bike riding conditions thread. Hey GM, you are right about the build. it is awesome, but pictures don't do it justice. The shape of the tubes and especially the fork are sexy as hell. Next weekend it's the Agreemement Forest..........YeaH! I am now back in the trails.
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    Quote Originally Posted by secret agent View Post
    I think I need a little more pressure in the back. it felt a little bouncy. I'll have to play around with pressure, cadence and gearing and get used to the handling. Generally I have never ridden snow like this before. Climbing is a chore and a half and I have not figured out the gearing. Even with those tires, steeeper things seem impossible right now.
    Hard to tell from here but if bouncy you might have too much pressure in the tires. That would also give you lots of trouble steering,tracking and climbing in snow. Think Jeepers airing down their tires to go off road..tires should be spreading a bit with your weight on the bike. When I squeeze/ push the side wall I like mine to feel like a rare/ medium rare steak in winter and well done in the summer!
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    Quote Originally Posted by BlackCanoeDog View Post
    When I squeeze/ push the side wall I like mine to feel like a rare/ medium rare steak in winter and well done in the summer!
    Best tire pressure reference quote ever!

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    You might be quite right on that point. I will adjust down.
    I have a couple of small tweaks, but getting that pressure right
    Will be the key to a great ride.
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    If you aren't used to the fatbike, run pressures you'd never even consider. If your side wall isn't folding at least a bit, that's way to high for soft snow conditions. It does make a huge difference.

    On my cheap, digital gauge, I was 'firm' last week at 6.6 lbs riding regular trails. I dropped to about 3-4 psi today, which was okay, then dropped to what I'm guessing was about 2.5 and that hooked up. (these pressures are relative, not sure how good my gauge).

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    Good rule of thumb I read somewhere is, "when in doubt, let air out."

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    Quote Originally Posted by secret agent View Post
    You might be quite right on that point. I will adjust down.
    I have a couple of small tweaks, but getting that pressure right
    Will be the key to a great ride.
    The pressure will very for every type of snow condition and temperature. Last year I put 8 lbs in the tires at 20c in the house, loaded the bike in the van. In the morning the tire pressure was 5 lbs at -18c. One lbs can make a very noticeable difference on these bikes.
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    Yep, as soon as I read "bouncy", I thought "too much pressure". Even on a regular 29er in the snow, I'm getting down to silly-low pressures like 15lbs.

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    I didn't realize that you would run that low even on the fat bike. I think I was just under 15 psi, depending on the accuracy of the gauge on my bike pump. This is apparently a travesty for a fat bike. I was having both steering and bouncing issues, so I will run way lower. My concern when I headed out was that if I was too low, it might take 3 hours of pumping to put any kind of air with my little hand pump into those things.
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    Quote Originally Posted by secret agent View Post
    I didn't realize that you would run that low even on the fat bike. I think I was just under 15 psi, depending on the accuracy of the gauge on my bike pump. This is apparently a travesty for a fat bike. I was having both steering and bouncing issues, so I will run way lower. My concern when I headed out was that if I was too low, it might take 3 hours of pumping to put any kind of air with my little hand pump into those things.
    Eek. 15psi - no good. Very bad.
    I am 200 pounds riding weight. Running 8-9 psi when in the rock (to prevent pinch flats). If no rocks - around 7psi is my sweet spot.

    It changes eveything. You will feel loke double wow when you lower the pressure to required level.
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    Yeah, I should be flogged for my transgression! I knew I did not have things right and would be corrected here. I want to leave work and try that now. I might have to buy some lights so I can go ride trails at night. This bike has changed how I look at my winter riding. We have a long MUP along the Queesway that runs a good 10 km. Now I am hoping it does not get plowed. I need to find something I can ride at night during the week where there are lights. Does the waterfront trail get plowed? Any suggestions for places with some light near Mississauga/Etobicoke would be nice.
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    No need for lights last night or tonight. The moon is casting shadows.

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    Quote Originally Posted by secret agent View Post
    Once I put a leg over the Beargrease, it was all over. ended up driving to Port Colborne and met AJ who is a very nice guy. I will have to head over to that area and check the trails out there.
    Sweet bike!
    If you want to check out the trails we have a race (if you're into that sort of thing) there in February with a fatbike category. Maybe you've heard about it. thefrostbike.ca

    And yes, Pedal is a sponsor of the event. Of course the race is less about racing and more about getting together and having a few drinks.

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    AJ told me about this. And also about the six pack races. Too bad I am a scotch drinker.
    I don't think I am quite ready to race a fat bike yet. I don't even know how to pump the tires properly.
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    The Frostbike ~ Winter Mountain Bike Race website is actually located at Details | thefrostbike.com and not what thedumbopinion posted.

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    Quote Originally Posted by secret agent View Post
    AJ told me about this. And also about the six pack races. Too bad I am a scotch drinker.
    I don't think I am quite ready to race a fat bike yet. I don't even know how to pump the tires properly.
    Great to see you got the last Beargrease from PEDAL!

    You should have a go at the Frostbike.
    Its fun and sort of an unrace for most people and a chance to ride groomed trails.

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    Quote Originally Posted by smittyway View Post
    No need for lights last night or tonight. The moon is casting shadows.
    If he's riding in Mississauga he might not need moonlight either. If there is snow on the ground and cloud cover, the entire GTA has a uniform sodium-vapour-light orange glow that's more than enough to see where you're going.

    It's a pretty flat light, so you won't be able to see subtle footprints etc. in the snow very well, but with a 4"+ tire who cares?

    Just put on LED flashers so you can venture onto a road if need be.
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    I believe my light issues are resolved. A very generous forum member is setting me up. I ride in the Credit River basin along the Culham trail and the singletrack offshoots. I need lights in there. I was hoping to find MUPs and the such that are not plowed so I didn't have to buy lights. This will be way better.
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    Tip: if there is any snow falling at all, don't head out with a light mounted on your helmet. It's like the high-beams-in-fog-phenomena, but way worse. Even a few flakes falling off the trees can be distracting.

    Mount low on the handebars, or even on the fork if possible.
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    Thanks for the tip. I am going to stick to the wide path on the
    First ride. I have been riding these trails for years and can probably
    Do half of blindfolded. I am learning the bike so I am not heading into
    Tricky single track along a 250 ft drop just yet.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ghettocruiser View Post
    Tip: if there is any snow falling at all, don't head out with a light mounted on your helmet. It's like the high-beams-in-fog-phenomena, but way worse. Even a few flakes falling off the trees can be distracting.

    Mount low on the handebars, or even on the fork if possible.
    This is a good tip. For "serious" night riding, I head out with a bar light and a helmet light plus front and rear flashers. I use the flashers to get through town (the helmet and bar lights are too bright for traffic) and use either/or lights (sometimes both for maximum effect) depending on where I'm riding and the conditions. I tend to like a lot more light in technical spots.
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    The light I got yesterday is quite bright and it looks more than sufficient for double track. also I am not all that fast on a snow bike. Nothing will be really rushing at me like it would in the summer. I will see how it works tonight. However, it is snowing that kind of snow that I was warned about by ghettocruiser. It may have to wait till tomorrow. If I like night riding enough, I will invest in another set of lights to mount on the handlebars. With a single light I think going on the helmet is the only way to go.
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    Congrats on the bike Secret Agent.

    I bought the other BearGrease AJ had (the day before you I believe)!

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    My wife told me to put white pedals on mine. I might at some point.
    I love mine. It is a great addition to the stable. I'm sure you will enjoy
    It as much as I do. This and my carbon Tallboy make grin with every ride.
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    was it cold to ride in the winter?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Picard View Post
    was it cold to ride in the winter?
    In lieu of a direct answer since I am not the party to whom you have addressed your question, this thread linked below (still on first page of topics in this forum) may give you some ideas about how your fellow Eastern Canadians deal with winter riding;

    Winter riders. Need some advice.

    As you can see, many riders find a way to ride in the winter with levels of comfort they consider acceptable.

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    So...all this talk of fatbikes got me really wanting one. I headed up to Hardwood yesterday and took one of their rental KHS 3000's out for the afternoon. I rode Cpt Sydor's Mukluk at Christie last winter, but the conditions were not that great, so it was tough to get an idea what the bike was really capabe of. Yesterday, conditions were perfect (and it was very amusing to see the looks on the x-country skiiers' faces as I lumbered past them) and I had a hoot. I was riding a KHS 3000 which rode fine, but the tires (Vee-Rubber I believe) did not really have an agressive tread and so traction could have been better. First of all, it was a really good workout. I came off riding 20 km of snow riding as if I had just ridden 50 on my regular bike - that's a lot of rotational weight to keep moving. Secondly, while I could ride in conditions I could not even dream of riding on my regular xc bike, the fat tires are not magic bullets - they could not get over absolutely everything. Thirdly, it was a different kind of riding - less about hammering and more about grinding away, keeping a consistent pace and keeping the bike rolling. And fourthly, yeah I still want one...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Unglued View Post
    So...all this talk of fatbikes got me really wanting one. I headed up to Hardwood yesterday and took one of their rental KHS 3000's out for the afternoon. I rode Cpt Sydor's Mukluk at Christie last winter, but the conditions were not that great, so it was tough to get an idea what the bike was really capabe of. Yesterday, conditions were perfect (and it was very amusing to see the looks on the x-country skiiers' faces as I lumbered past them) and I had a hoot. I was riding a KHS 3000 which rode fine, but the tires (Vee-Rubber I believe) did not really have an agressive tread and so traction could have been better. First of all, it was a really good workout. I came off riding 20 km of snow riding as if I had just ridden 50 on my regular bike - that's a lot of rotational weight to keep moving. Secondly, while I could ride in conditions I could not even dream of riding on my regular xc bike, the fat tires are not magic bullets - they could not get over absolutely everything. Thirdly, it was a different kind of riding - less about hammering and more about grinding away, keeping a consistent pace and keeping the bike rolling. And fourthly, yeah I still want one...
    Good to see you're out there test riding Unglued!

    VEE-Rubber tires by most accounts are not that great and any purchase you make should consider the stock tires on the bike due to the replacement cost of fat tires, the lighter weight ones (like Surly or 45NRTH) are not cheap.

    Also if you get a chance to test out a Salsa Carbon Beargrease do so, it is a game changer as far as Fatbikes go.

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    Agreed with all you wrote above Unglued.

    I first bought a used Pugsley, had a blast on that. Then decided I wanted more floatation so I picked up a used Moonlander, and that was even better. Definitely have to keep pushing on through the deeper stuff. A very good workout.

    Now I'm back on a 3.8" tire on my Beargrease and find it a faster bike. I've really enjoyed riding rail trails as much as single track.

    In Guelph, we've got the Kissing Bridge Trailway which runs all the way from Guelph to Elmira and we've got another one running east out of Guelph to Eden Mills.

    These tracks increased my enjoyment of the bike ten fold, when I can't always get the time to hit single track. Suggest anyone who hasn't pack a lunch and hit the rail trail for half a day. Good times.

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    Yep, loving my Beargrease. It is the only fatbike I have ridden in the snow. Took a couple of test rides on others, but once I touched it, I knew it was going to be a fine machine. I agree completely with the grinding aspects. I have had one longer ride and a fooling around ride out in field and the idea is to keep the tires moving, but giving them a chance to grip. At any rate the grinding pace is all I can manage for now. And yes, the big tires don't have magical self-propelling properties. I am going out tonight for my first fat ride in the dark. I did not manage to get out yesterday due to family commitments (foisted upon me).
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    Quote Originally Posted by PUBCRAWL View Post
    VEE-Rubber tires by most accounts are not that great and any purchase you make should consider the stock tires on the bike due to the replacement cost of fat tires, the lighter weight ones (like Surly or 45NRTH) are not cheap.
    I would try the rear VEE-Rubber tire backwards. I bought the On-One Floater tire in the summer and I am finding it great in the snow Home - As Seen On TV.

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    Can't take the pressure.

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    Running 8-9 psi when in the rock (to prevent pinch flats).
    And how did that work out again?

    Ghetto tubeless. Been down to 4psi in the rocks without problems, using the stock Darryl rims and Nate 27tpi tires on the Salsa Mukluk.

    I picked up a digital inflator at Princess Auto when it was on sale.

    I cut off the chuck and replaced it with an air pump replacement head from MEC.

    Now I can get reliable pressures down to 3-4psi, but only works off my compressor.

    Now this one:

    Digital Pistol Grip Tire Inflator | Princess Auto

    looks like you could take the guage off and use it to replace the one on many types of floor pumps. That would be more portable. And I'm pretty sure that $30 for just the guage alone would be considered a good price. Of course, now that I've bought one the price will drop considerably.

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    So...what happens when you get a flat on a fatbike? Spare tubes ain't cheap, are very bulky and are hard to come by. And I would imagine it would take a lot of CO2 cartridges, or about 20 minutes with a handpump, to get rolling again in any event.
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    SSHHHH. I don't want to think about that. I need to buy a spare tube. In all the excitement, I forgot to pick one up. I figure it will be a good workout to pump these up in the trail. I will buy a couple and carry one, specially riding rocks. BCD has been riding a fat bike for several years. He would have a better idea. I intend on never getting a flat.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Unglued View Post
    So...what happens when you get a flat on a fatbike? Spare tubes ain't cheap, are very bulky and are hard to come by. And I would imagine it would take a lot of CO2 cartridges, or about 20 minutes with a handpump, to get rolling again in any event.
    29er tubes work as a get out option. Seen it happen.

    I have a 26 light weight DH tube as a spare. It's gone into use (though not on my bike). These should be pretty easy to come by. I have it under my seat.

    There are high volume mini-pumps that don't all that long. Warms you up too! Done it/seen it happen.

    In the winter, I normally ride with a camel back with extra's in case of emergencies. So space is not a problem.

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    Quote Originally Posted by secret agent View Post
    SSHHHH. I don't want to think about that. I need to buy a spare tube. In all the excitement, I forgot to pick one up. I figure it will be a good workout to pump these up in the trail. I will buy a couple and carry one, specially riding rocks. BCD has been riding a fat bike for several years. He would have a better idea. I intend on never getting a flat.
    While you are at it get one of these Lezyne Micro Floor Drive HV Mini Pump | Chain Reaction Cycles. You will find with a regular mtb portable pump 300 + strokes to get it inflated. There is a sale on tubes at 9zero7 "Stock up on tubes!!
    Finish up that new colored wheel set with some 9:ZERO:7 tubes on sale for a limited time buy 3 get 1 free!!!
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    I take a Camelback as well. I like to have a few extra goodies in the winter just in case. First night ride for me ever and in snow on a fat bike. I am giddy like a little girl.
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    Quote Originally Posted by secret agent View Post
    SSHHHH. I don't want to think about that. I need to buy a spare tube. In all the excitement, I forgot to pick one up. I figure it will be a good workout to pump these up in the trail. I will buy a couple and carry one, specially riding rocks. BCD has been riding a fat bike for several years. He would have a better idea. I intend on never getting a flat.
    I have the original Surly tubes that are thick and heavy as sin...but I have never flatted. I also have 3 of those tubes as spares, and do take one in my back pack (I don't use a hydration pack in winter, just drink bottles) on any longish bush ride like Devil's Gap Trail to Torrance Barrens. Would be a long walk from there back to the trailhead pushing a flatted 40 lb Pugs! . On the other hand I know folks who flatted on both rides they ever did with me, and I think they were running DH tubes. And on the topic of pumps, I find the mini hand pumps work reasonably well at least adjusting pressures, doesn't take long at all. Can't say about pumping from completely flat because, well,...have not flatted ever both summer and winter riding (knocks on wood).
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    ok so I bought a fat bike

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    And how did that work out again?

    Ghetto tubeless. Been down to 4psi in the rocks without problems, using the stock Darryl rims and Nate 27tpi tires on the Salsa Mukluk.

    I picked up a digital inflator at Princess Auto when it was on sale.

    I cut off the chuck and replaced it with an air pump replacement head from MEC.

    Now I can get reliable pressures down to 3-4psi, but only works off my compressor.

    Now this one:

    Digital Pistol Grip Tire Inflator | Princess Auto

    looks like you could take the guage off and use it to replace the one on many types of floor pumps. That would be more portable. And I'm pretty sure that $30 for just the guage alone would be considered a good price. Of course, now that I've bought one the price will drop considerably.
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    I have only flatted out once and it was a 1" stick that punctured the tread of my rear endo. and broke off inside of the tube. A tire boot and the 29" tube in my pack allowed me to limp back home. I went tubless this fall with the foam sil gasket and gorrillia tape with great sucess so far. The only issue was srubbing the sidewall to the point of a slight leak that took a while to get the stans to seal. In all fairness the tires have fairly thin 120tpi side walls and the trail is littered with sharp chert rubble. It has taken me 4 12g co2 cart. to inflate a fat tire to a riding pressure. I did get some Schwalbe SV13F tubes to carry as spares (very small and light). I carry them in this frame bag I just added to a MEC Christmas order.

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