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    Ok so I am going to look at fat bikes

    I am still not convinced about the fat bike, but I want to go and look at some. Apart from the PUG, which is in at under 2K, is there anything out there I should be looking at. I think all the Salsa offerings are a bit more money. I don't really care about components all that much. I have a lot of higher end stuff that can go on the bike as things break or wear out. I don't want to go with Norco though. Damn you Oggie,BCD and the rest of you enablers.
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    If anyone knows of LBS in the GTA with bikes in stock, please let me know. I really need to get a leg over a couple of them. It will save me running around and doing a lot of calling.

    Much appreciated.
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    I've seen the Kona, not a bad lookin' bike - weird handlebars, and if I recall not a whole lot of braze-ons. Priced along side the Pugs if memory serves.

    The Pugs is nice - the swiss army knife of fat bikes I guess. Rode one (used) bought it for a day and returned it. (the fit was off). So I too am circling around the fatty's.

    If riding one is not paramount before purchase - i hate to recommend something I haven't tried - but folks are pretty happy with their Motobecanes... If I can't find a used Pugs that fits, it may be the route I go.

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    Quote Originally Posted by secret agent View Post
    If anyone knows of LBS in the GTA with bikes in stock, please let me know. I really need to get a leg over a couple of them. It will save me running around and doing a lot of calling.

    Much appreciated.
    Rock and Road Cycle in Burlington has a couple large and medium pugsley's in stock.

    As an FYI, I was talking to the owner of Rock and Road, not sure what stock is like for other other manufacturers, but it doesn't seem like Surly has anything left to deliver. Last year, once the snow started flying, the calls start coming in and they flew off the shelf.

    I had a friend who had to drive to huntsville to get his last year in January (this year probably won't be that bad), but if any one is truly interested in a fatbike, you'll stand a way better chance of seeing a few, trying them out before winter really sets in.

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    If it was me looking to get in on a budget I would have the Norco Bigfoot top of my list. They go for ~$1500 and I know several people have bought them this year, they are probably flying out the door. It's a sharp looking bike. After Bigfoot, next up on my list would be the good old Surly Pugsley. My MY2005 still puts a smile on my face every time I throw a leg over.
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    It's all about feel on a bike for me. I have never seemed to do well on Norcos. Not the fit or feel I like. I liked the feel on your PUG for the 5 minutes I was on it. I am going to have to do some research. Hopefully I can get out to a couple of shops this weekend. Just a really busy time of the year to have a look around. I am pretty sure I can zip into Burlington to have a look this weekend.
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    Give AJ a call. He has Salsa Fat Bikes in stock and lots of tires. He was an early adpoter both selling and riding fatbikes for several years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by secret agent View Post
    . Damn you Oggie,BCD and the rest of you enablers.
    Hey.....I didn't say anything!!!!!??


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    Hereís my take on fat bikes, your millage may varyÖ
    Bought an on-one fatty frame to build upÖ for a couple of reasons
    -front suspension corrected geometry
    -asymmetrical rear end
    -shorter chain stays
    -overall geometry that fits me better
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    -really good price
    I stayed away from carbon because of possible salt corrosion/delamination issues regarding the aluminum/carbon interfaces in the bb, etc. A custom steel/ti was just to pricey (for now). I didnít buy a complete bike because none came with the wheel set and suspension fork that I wanted. My tire size will be limited to 4.0. I feel any bigger tire wonít really help me when there is a lot of snow since the paths wonít be packed down. My rim width is also limited to 47mm to save rotational weight and to provide a more rounded profile for riding in the spring/fall and to the trail head.

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    Quote Originally Posted by secret agent View Post
    Damn you Oggie,BCD and the rest of you enablers.
    Another. This was a day when fatty was king.


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    Holy crap!! Everybody has been bitten by the fatbike bug this season! Finally!!!....lol
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    Quote Originally Posted by BlackCanoeDog View Post
    Holy crap!! Everybody has been bitten by the fatbike bug this season! Finally!!!....lol
    No...just waiting for the upgraditis to take effect next year.

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    I wanted a OnOne fatty so bad since I've got several of their bikes. But the duty and taxes on a complete bike made it more or less the same price as buying locally and fat bike components are so expensive I didn't think I could build a bare frame for a reasonable price.

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    Quote Originally Posted by secret agent View Post
    I don't want to go with Norco though.
    I wouldn't dismiss Norco that fast. My buddy bought one and is loving it. Apparently the bigfoot is a joint effort with a Finish (I think I have the country right) bike company. My kind of bike Fat Bike Growler Style - The Fat Bike Brewery Run - YouTube I suspect that many of these bikes are going to be sold out. I do know of a used Pugsley (medium) for sale, not me.
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    I would definitely consider a used one, but it would need to be large. I don't think there are that many out there. I think It will be between a PUG, NORCO or Mukluk, if I can find one at a good price. I have to go out and ride them. The NORCO would be fine if it fits well. Thanks for the suggestions and confirming what I have been finding out in my online search. I like the look of the Salsa's best, but that does not mean it will fit properly. They are also a little higher price, but I might have to bite the bullet and drive out to Niagara.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BlackCanoeDog View Post
    Holy crap!! Everybody has been bitten by the fatbike bug this season! Finally!!!....lol
    yup, took a while, but was just a matter of time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by secret agent View Post
    I might have to bite the bullet and drive out to Niagara.
    If you come to Muskoka you can probably test ride at least the Surly, Salsa, Norco, Kona, 9ZERO7, and Borealis offerings on snow all within at most a half hrs drive
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    Quote Originally Posted by singlesprocket View Post
    yup, took a while, but was just a matter of time.
    Nice...I was getting worried!! lol And what about Cyclelicious?
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    I'm pretty sure the last email I got from Chico Racing was that they have Fat Bike rentals up at Hardwood... Yup, found the email... says:

    "Fat Bikes are available for rent, or use, Monday to Friday"

    I'm heading out the door, but can post a screen shot of the email if wanted later this evening.
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    Oxygen Bikes in Etobicoke has a Norco Bigfoot that's available for demo rides. It's hard to say if the fit & geometry will work for you but it doesn't hurt to try. To me at least, fat bike fit & handling is different enough from normal bikes that my usual preconceptions on brands & fits go out the window.

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    Hardwood Hills as of today has KHS fatbike rentals provided by Bike Zone in Barrie. Their a very affordable option as is the Kona (both offered at Bike Zone). I'm kind of partial to my 9 Zero 7 as you can see from Black Canoe Dog's photo up above of me on my 1st fatbike ride with the Gravenhurst crew. I loved the bike so much in the winter & in the summer that I purchased Rabbit hole rims and Knards to enjoy it in the summer

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    Bike dealers in Ontario must love this fat bike boom.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BlackCanoeDog View Post
    Nice...I was getting worried!! lol And what about Cyclelicious?
    we will test the build and she will ride it. then build the 2nd one. we have a big trip happening in 2014 so we have to spread it out. fat bikes just make so much sense for us for 6 months a year. plus all the trails advocacy i'm involved with... winter riding has in the past been seen as a fringe activity (i've been at it over 20 years), now it's becoming main stream. so in all the trail plans i'm involved with i want fat biking to be included. i.e. a groomed winter fat bike trails etc...

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    Dukes has a couple of fatbikes in stock (large and medium) by a British company called Charge. I don't know anything about the manufacturer but they are priced at around $1700
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    I am going out this weekend and check out some shops. I may just come home with an early Christmas gift. I am liking the look and geo of the Mukluk. Anyone know of any shops closer to Toronto than Niagara that have Salsa in stock? Thanks for the heads up the bikes at Dukes, but I have not heard of them at all and I am already out of my comfort zone with fat bikes, so I think I will stick with some local brands.
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    lol...how many times have I said..." Honey, don't bother getting me anything for Christmas, I have already picked myself up something"
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    Quote Originally Posted by secret agent View Post
    I am going out this weekend and check out some shops. I may just come home with an early Christmas gift. I am liking the look and geo of the Mukluk. Anyone know of any shops closer to Toronto than Niagara that have Salsa in stock? Thanks for the heads up the bikes at Dukes, but I have not heard of them at all and I am already out of my comfort zone with fat bikes, so I think I will stick with some local brands.
    Its worth the drive to Niagara!

    I know PEDAL in Port Colborne now has Muk 2's and 3's in stock and some Beargrease X9 carbons showed up yesterday.

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    Just spoke to them. They only have one large Mukluk in stock right now. Hopefully it will be there on the weekend. I am not going above that budget no matter what carbon they throw at me. Still have to go to Burlington to check out their selection of PUGs as well.
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    I picked up a Norco Bigfoot last week and can't wipe the grin off my face after riding it all weekend. FWIW they fit on the small side, I usually ride 19-20" frames but fit perfectly on an XL Bigfoot (6' tall, 33" inseam). If you're in the GTA and having trouble finding one to test ride you are welcome to take mine for a spin (Richmond Hill). I'll be riding AF/HF on Sunday morning as well, the snow dump we're supposed to get on Saturday should make for great fatbike testing conditions.

    I was also looking at the On-One but after shipping/duty it would work out to the same as buying the Bigfoot from my LBS, plus the Bigfoot comes with wider rims.
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    Quote Originally Posted by secret agent View Post
    Just spoke to them. They only have one large Mukluk in stock right now. Hopefully it will be there on the weekend. I am not going above that budget no matter what carbon they throw at me. Still have to go to Burlington to check out their selection of PUGs as well.
    If you do end up at Pedal with a Mukluk bring your riding gear and ride the Hood right from the shop. You will be able to follow our tracks from last nights group ride. You will not regret buying a fatbike. I love my Muk and have a set of 29" wheels for it. I mount some racks and it serves as my rail trail commuter for the warm weather.

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    Quote Originally Posted by secret agent View Post
    Just spoke to them. They only have one large Mukluk in stock right now. Hopefully it will be there on the weekend. I am not going above that budget no matter what carbon they throw at me. Still have to go to Burlington to check out their selection of PUGs as well.
    The fit, finish and handling on the new Salsa's are terrific.
    PEDAL sold out of the Surly's (Pugs, Pugs OPS and Moonlander's) a few months ago before the Salsa's arrived.

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    just to tempt you with some fatty carbon...


    Ok so I am going to look at fat bikes-fatty_carbon2.jpg

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    A carbon fat bike would worry me. Riding too fast with poor traction is what fat biking is all about. Low speed falls are part of fat biking and from what I've read, the most dangerous for carbon frames.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rockyuphill View Post
    apparently it is around 30 pounds too, not bad... price?
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    Quote Originally Posted by BlackCanoeDog View Post
    Hey.....I didn't say anything!!!!!??


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    Quote Originally Posted by PUBCRAWL View Post
    Its worth the drive to Niagara!

    I know PEDAL in Port Colborne now has Muk 2's and 3's in stock and some Beargrease X9 carbons showed up yesterday.
    mmmmm..... BEARGREASE.... Secret Agent - run to your car and step on it on the way to Port Colborne... X9 Beargrease is awesome and rides much like a regular skinny tire MTB... NO KIDDING...
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    Quote Originally Posted by secret agent View Post
    I am not going above that budget no matter what carbon they throw at me.
    if you touch it, you will buy it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Slash5 View Post
    A carbon fat bike would worry me. Riding too fast with poor traction is what fat biking is all about. Low speed falls are part of fat biking and from what I've read, the most dangerous for carbon frames.
    huh??? i can't disagree more. after riding carbon bike for the last 4 summers/winters at Hilton Falls/Agreement forest and taking carbon fat bike to the same area. Still have not broken one. I guess i am just lucky... Cause I know I ain't THAT good...
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    Quote Originally Posted by PUBCRAWL View Post
    just to tempt you with some fatty carbon...


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    I hate you all. I too ride my carbon Tallboy for all my rocky and rooty needs. I know I am not that good or lucky. I would not worry about that. The price however.....
    I am going to Port Colborne on Saturday.
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    I ride carbon too, but I find I regularly end up on my butt on the fat bike. I don't in normal riding.
    On the fat bike I removed the large ring and replaced it with a bash ring cause I got tagged by the large ring a few times, sliding off narrow trails or flailing to get a foot down.

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    Quote Originally Posted by secret agent View Post
    The price however.....
    life is too short...


    I am going to Port Colborne on Saturday.
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    I am pretty sure I am not getting a carbon fat bike. I would ride it with flat pedals so I can wear toasty foot coverings according to conditions. Falling in the snow doesn't seem so bad until sharp components get you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by secret agent View Post
    I am pretty sure I am not getting a carbon fat bike.
    "pretty sure"?

    see - you are already doubting yourself...

    this morning, you KNEW you were not getting a carbon fat bike...

    by Saturday, you will WANT one...

    it's all too obvious... been there, done that...

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    Oh, I already want one. If I get a carbon fat bike at under 30 lbs. it may make two of my bikes redundant.
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    Sorry BCD the cooks Norco looks pretty good, but i'm waitng for 6" front and back. well maybe 5"

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    Quote Originally Posted by osokolo View Post
    "pretty sure"?

    see - you are already doubting yourself...

    this morning, you KNEW you were not getting a carbon fat bike...

    by Saturday, you will WANT one...

    it's all too obvious... been there, done that...

    no regrets here... remember: ensure that you regret ONLY things you have done, not things you HAVE NOT done...

    act accordingly...
    He is systematically picking you apart, making you blur the line in the sand....
    I think he has the right path for you.....DO IT

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    So here's my thought. A true fat bike may not get ridden that much in the summer. A Krampus would, but I question how the 3" Knard tire would handle the snow. Has anyone ridden a Krampus in the snow? And if so, how does it compare to a full on fat bike? Too much of a compromise or the best of both worlds?
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    Ok so I am going to look at fat bikes

    Quote Originally Posted by Unglued View Post
    So here's my thought. A true fat bike may not get ridden that much in the summer. A Krampus would, but I question how the 3" Knard tire would handle the snow. Has anyone ridden a Krampus in the snow? And if so, how does it compare to a full on fat bike? Too much of a compromise or the best of both worlds?
    I fully intend to ride my Beargrease in the summer - Hilton Falls and Agreement Forest for sure. Rode it at Durham last weekend in dry conditions and it was a blast. With right tires - it is pretty versatile bike.
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    I have court Tuesday morning in Barrie and am hoping to be done in time to head up to Hardwood and try one of their rentals, to see what all the fuss is about...will post my experiences here
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    Quote Originally Posted by Unglued View Post
    I have court Tuesday morning in Barrie and am hoping to be done in time to head up to Hardwood and try one of their rentals, to see what all the fuss is about...will post my experiences here
    Just keep in mind that the KHS rentals have the lousy V-Rubber Mission tires mounted, perhaps a decent summer tire but they don't hold a candle to the knobbier Surly/N45 rubber when it comes to grip
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    Quote Originally Posted by Unglued View Post
    So here's my thought. A true fat bike may not get ridden that much in the summer. A Krampus would, but I question how the 3" Knard tire would handle the snow. Has anyone ridden a Krampus in the snow? And if so, how does it compare to a full on fat bike? Too much of a compromise or the best of both worlds?
    How much does a dirt jumper, bmx or a unicycle get ridden?

    The Krampus would probably be a bit funner in the summer, a little less in the winter than a fatbike. But the Krampus is not going to be as specific or fun as a flash in the summer nor as good as a true fatbike in the winter. I think the Krampus would be a great bike for someone with a minimal fleet, a jack of all trades kinda bike.

    Adam F. got one, not sure if he posts around anymore. And he came from a true fatty.

    Back to the fatbike. While mine got most of it's use in the winter, it came out throughout the summer and certainly the fall when I'm looking to mix things up a little. Give all the local trails a different flavour. It's also a really good tool to equalize people. At 39lbs, I figure I'm about 20-30% slower than my scale. There are certain times when I'm out riding that this is a great advantage to keeping my ride still very productive from a training/effort standpoint.

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    I have lots of bikes for many conditions. I want something specific for snow. I think that this might be a good bike for cruddy conditions early in the season as well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CptSydor View Post
    How much does a dirt jumper, bmx or a unicycle get ridden?

    The Krampus would probably be a bit funner in the summer, a little less in the winter than a fatbike. But the Krampus is not going to be as specific or fun as a flash in the summer nor as good as a true fatbike in the winter. I think the Krampus would be a great bike for someone with a minimal fleet, a jack of all trades kinda bike.

    Adam F. got one, not sure if he posts around anymore. And he came from a true fatty.

    Back to the fatbike. While mine got most of it's use in the winter, it came out throughout the summer and certainly the fall when I'm looking to mix things up a little. Give all the local trails a different flavour. It's also a really good tool to equalize people. At 39lbs, I figure I'm about 20-30% slower than my scale. There are certain times when I'm out riding that this is a great advantage to keeping my ride still very productive from a training/effort standpoint.
    It can be easy to throw fat bikes in the mix of bikes for the summer time. I fully agree with what CaptSydor says about having a bike that requires more effort. The fat bikes are the go to bikes for my wife and I when we are riding with the kids. The extra effort helps balance out the ride on the trails, to the soccer game or the ice cream shop. I first managed to sell the fat bike idea to my wife by saying it would replace my rail trail commuter. The Muk had lots of rack options and I could outfit it with 29" wheels. So I'm sure you could build up some rabbit holes and run it as a fatty +. Also once you have a fat bike the riding opportunities open up to almost everywhere. No longer are you stuck to just trails. You can spend time exploring new places. Find a beach or shoreline, an old rail bed with loose ballast that is hard to walk or ride anything else on, find a mature hardwood bush and make your own route... Point is donít just think of a fat bike as another bike to ride your local trails think of it as an excuse to go exploring!

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    If anyone knows of LBS in the GTA with bikes in stock, please let me know. I really need to get a leg over a couple of them. It will save me running around and doing a lot of calling.
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    Quote Originally Posted by smittyway View Post
    No longer are you stuck to just trails. You can spend time exploring new places. Find a beach or shoreline, an old rail bed with loose ballast that is hard to walk or ride anything else on, find a mature hardwood bush and make your own route... Point is donít just think of a fat bike as another bike to ride your local trails think of it as an excuse to go exploring!
    Exactly!! Great for exercising a big dog too because it's so stable...


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    There is Bike Zone in Mississauga.
    Some of you Ontario new comers may wish to joint this Facebook page. https://www.facebook.com/groups/FatbikesinOntario/
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    Quote Originally Posted by osokolo View Post
    pffft... enabler...
    A pretty girl on a fatbike......yup, guilty as charged!!! lol
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    Quote Originally Posted by secret agent View Post
    I thought you used him to carry you along!
    True! Makes a huge difference and lotsa fun too!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Near north View Post
    Sorry BCD the cooks Norco looks pretty good, but i'm waitng for 6" front and back. well maybe 5"
    Not sure why you want that on a fatbike Mark, and meanwhile you aren't getting any younger and missing out on all the fun! And some of your riding buds are already on their second or third fattie!! Throw a leg over and give it a try
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    I'm not gonna pretend to understand the rise of fatbikes

    But as a result, there are a lot more bikes out on the trails so far this winter, meaning if we do get snow, it will be packed down sooner, allowing higher speeds by non-fat bikes such as mine.

    So.. I'm not gonna complain.
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    higher speeds by non-fat bikers
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    Quote Originally Posted by temporoad View Post
    There is Bike Zone in Mississauga.
    Some of you Ontario new comers may wish to joint this Facebook page. https://www.facebook.com/groups/FatbikesinOntario/
    Also this as a source out of Bracebridge...
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    Quote Originally Posted by osokolo View Post
    You sure about that rookie?
    Higher speeds are not to be confused with high speeds.

    I'm thinking 8 kph instead of 7.

    Now get out there on that bizarre contraption and start breaking trail for the rest of us.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Unglued View Post
    So here's my thought. A true fat bike may not get ridden that much in the summer. A Krampus would, but I question how the 3" Knard tire would handle the snow. Has anyone ridden a Krampus in the snow? And if so, how does it compare to a full on fat bike? Too much of a compromise or the best of both worlds?
    You are right on. I got a fatbike last year, loved it so much with the traction and stability. I sold my skinny tire FS mtb frame and fork bought a krampus frame and wheels. I moved over the components and now I am totally skinny tire free. I will never go back. I am so much faster, and I am climbing stuff I have no business climbing. Fatbike and 29+ are my rides. I have not tried the Krampus in the snow. I do know that a 29+ is not a fatbike. When we get more snow I will ride both and report back, maybe with a video.
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    I really would like to hear your thoughts on this. Please do report back.
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    Big ad on Kijiji for Oxygen Bike Co in Etobicoke for the Norco fat bike. They make a big deal about it being cheaper and having hydraulic brakes.
    Not sure about hydraulic brakes on a fat bike. I had my SLX braked normal bike out at around -7 a couple of weeks ago and the front lever felt like it was not returning normally.
    From the looks of Kijiji, every bike store in London is selling fat bikes, Outspokin Cycles seems to have brought a lot of inventory in. A long way to drive but might be worth giving a call to check prices when you are ready to buy. Last year when I was looking there was a bike store in Woodstock that brought a few fat bikes in and was interested in dealing but didn't have my size. When I was looking, everyone around Hamilton was strictly list price and no inventory. Shops may be more interested in deals this year with all the competition.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Slash5 View Post
    Not sure about hydraulic brakes on a fat bike. I had my SLX braked normal bike out at around -7 a couple of weeks ago and the front lever felt like it was not returning normally.
    There may have been a bit of moisture somewhere in the lever or line that you'd never notice until it froze.

    Enough people on the interwebz have reported XT hydraulics leaking at low temperatures that I have to believe there is something to it. But in 10 winter seasons mine haven't, and cable-brakes-in-winter were always sketchy IMHO.

    Also: Objectively, I don't know how you'd measure the performance of fatbike tires versus a fat mountain bike tires... you'd pretty much need to have both with you out on the trail at the same time.

    One degree of rise or fail in temperature and you can go from hardpack to mushy trail conditions, and you might be inclined to blame it on your tires.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ghettocruiser View Post
    There may have been a bit of moisture somewhere in the lever or line that you'd never notice until it froze.

    Enough people on the interwebz have reported XT hydraulics leaking at low temperatures that I have to believe there is something to it. But in 10 winter seasons mine haven't, and cable-brakes-in-winter were always sketchy IMHO.

    Also: Objectively, I don't know how you'd measure the performance of fatbike tires versus a fat mountain bike tires... you'd pretty much need to have both with you out on the trail at the same time.

    One degree of rise or fail in temperature and you can go from hardpack to mushy trail conditions, and you might be inclined to blame it on your tires.
    -15 yesterday morning with -22 windchill. Hydraulic brakes worked well for me for the last 5-6 years of extreme cold winter riding.

    It was so cold yesterday that the snow would not pack down and rocks were very slippery. Ot was easy to blame it on fat tires but in fact it was the rider and the conditions. Lack of traction exposes more technical skills flaws by said rider. All the more reasons to work harder on skills rather than keep changing tires.

    Nothing wrong with mechanical brakes, though i clearly prefer hydraulic. Some models did have performance issues in cold weather. Magura recalled some batches of MT8 due to this exact flaw. I got my replacement promptly.
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    I have ridden hydro's to -15C maybe colder and never
    Had an issue. The bb7's did just fine on the ride today
    But they just don't have the feel of a good hydro. I might
    Have to throw the XO's on there sooner than later. The fat
    Bike is going to open a bunch of possibilities. The main thing
    Is that I am back on the trails and today I rode stuff I would
    Have no hope in on any of my bikes. I am totally sold and looking
    Forward to discovering what can be done on these. I bet it will be
    A hoot to trials around on some rocks in the summer.
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    I like my new Charge Cooker Maxi nice specs for $ 1600.

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    I was just looking at the Charge Cooker on Saturday at Hammer City. Looks like a nice bike. I was wondering about trigger shifters on a fat bike. My Pugsley has old style thumb shifters on it. There is another thread in the driveline forum complaining that his trigger shifters don't work in the cold.

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    I've had mine for just over a month now I've had some issues with the shifting but I'm not sure if it was the shifters or the derailleur. Nothing works 100 percent minus 24 degrees

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    I can't imagine why the mechanism would not work in the cold unless you had some moisture in the lines or somewhere in the shifting mechanism that froze when you took it out into the cold. I have ridden everything from bottom of the line to XTR shifters in the winter and have never had an issue except when ice and slush got into the derailleurs. The new fat bike has X9 shifters and no troubles but it has not been that cold. I installed a set of XO hydro's on Saturday, but it was raining all day and did not make it out.
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    Secret Agent, I've had shifters freeze before. The grease gets so thick that the gears inside the shifter do not engage.
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    That's an issue with the pawls on freewheels for sure and I have had that happen. Never with a shifter, and I don't remember seeing grease in those. I haven't taken one of those apart in years. I use a Teflon penetrating spray in all my shifters that seems to keep moisture off sensitive parts. I apply it every time I wash the bike. -24 is too cold for me and I don't know what happens at those temperatures on a bike but I believe that I might be seizing up myself.
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    Tends to happen on brand new freewheels with lots of thick grease still in them, and older freewheels with worn pawls and/or moisture in them.

    Say less than 1,000km or more than 10,000km, at least in southern Ontario temperatures.


    Same thing with shifters, once the grease gets washed out of them they are usually okay as long as there's no moisture.
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    I have grip shift on my fat bike, so I can wear warm mitts and don't need pogies. Actually I have grip shift on all our bikes because...I like it! I have never had a shifting problem either!
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    I love my Kona Wo! The handle bar went before I left the shop.
    I've done some upgrades including XO shifters and Nates.
    Shifts like budda!Ok so I am going to look at fat bikes-1468517_695491430463931_586100617_n.jpg
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    It appears that people are still suggesting bike options. I did end up buying a Beargrease. There is another thread with the pics. I am really enjoying all the pictures of fat bikes. I did not realize how many people own these and the variety. It is awesome. If we could manage an mtbr fat ride with everyone, it would be quite the sight. Putting it out there for the more senior members to make it happen.
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    You knew it was coming - electric fat bikes. $3199
    A $700 bike with a battery.

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    Ok so I am going to look at fat bikes

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    Quote Originally Posted by broadwayline View Post
    Here's my fatty - 21.4lbs


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    F$#% Off. That's the most polite way I can say, beautiful bike.

    You need to carry a couple six packs at frostbike, that's just unfair (my fatbike weights 39.4 lbs)

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    F$#% Off. That's the most polite way I can say, beautiful bike.

    You need to carry a couple six packs at frostbike, that's just unfair (my fatbike weights 39.4 lbs)
    Well you have a real man's fat bike.
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    Quote Originally Posted by osokolo View Post
    Well you have a real man's fat bike.
    I don't want to be a real man.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CptSydor View Post
    I don't want to be a real man.
    Words are important. Pay attention. He didn't say you were a real man, he just said you had a real man's fat bike.

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    Quote Originally Posted by broadwayline View Post
    Here's my fatty - 21.4lbs
    Insanity.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Circlip View Post
    Words are important. Pay attention. He didn't say you were a real man, he just said you had a real man's fat bike.
    Phew...glad that got cleared up. I was worried, I never presented my man card at the till. Thought I might get my bike revoked.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CptSydor View Post
    F$#% Off. That's the most polite way I can say, beautiful bike.

    You need to carry a couple six packs at frostbike, that's just unfair (my fatbike weights 39.4 lbs)
    I'm in for that challenge goal is 20.99 but thats going to take more than I can afford

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    Sincere apologies if it's been asked before, but how much 'harder' is it to pedal a fat bike? Am I wrong in assuming a wider tire requires more effort to push?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Greg_o View Post
    Sincere apologies if it's been asked before, but how much 'harder' is it to pedal a fat bike? Am I wrong in assuming a wider tire requires more effort to push?
    Your assumption is 100% correct. The wider tire does meet more resistance, but you do have to take a few variables into consideration.

    If you are riding a flat, hard, smooth trail, obviously a regular tire will move easier. However, put yourself into a multi-use trail after 10 cm of new snow. A 1 ft wide path has been beaten down by some walkers, but it's not exactly firm. Under this circumstance, you won't notice the added resistance as the fat tire floats across all the foot prints, tracking easily. Meanwhile you'd be struggling with a regular tire to keep the line true and steady.

    It's another tool for another set of conditions. If you like to ride in the winter, they make a significant difference in the riding experience (especially if you have local trails that get lots of foot traffic, even after a heavy snowfall).

    And, fatbikes are progressing and getting generally lighter. As they start approaching less than 30 lbs, especially running some lighter wheels/tires/tubeless, the resistance becomes less noticeable, same with tire choice (but they directly influence how well they work in snow).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Greg_o View Post
    Sincere apologies if it's been asked before, but how much 'harder' is it to pedal a fat bike? Am I wrong in assuming a wider tire requires more effort to push?
    And, if you are prepared to go the way of broadwayline, who was nice enough to let me pedal around his fatbike, you likely wouldn't notice a difference, unless you are running a sub 17 lb hardtail with 1100 g wheels.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CptSydor View Post
    And, if you are prepared to go the way of broadwayline, who was nice enough to let me pedal around his fatbike, you likely wouldn't notice a difference, unless you are running a sub 17 lb hardtail with 1100 g wheels.
    Even then its pretty close. I hear he will race it in sudbury.
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    Quote Originally Posted by broadwayline View Post
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