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    Official Mansfield OCup#1 Thread

    'tis that time again.

    Where sausage suits and excuses reign supreme.

    Perfect Early Season Classic Course, Great for First Time Participants!

    Register for the full season and get an Ontario Cup shirt.

    The Course
    With southern exposure and sandy soil, frost-laiden mud-fests are an unlikely proposition. A great network of singletrack, climbs and a spectator-friendly route cap off a great early season course.

    Pre-Riding
    As Mansfield is no longer an operational riding center, and because they have school groups in during the day, pre-riding is limited. Pre-riding starts at 4pm on Friday, April 29, and is open all day Saturday, with pre-riding fees of $9 including HST applicable on both days.

    Mansfield Breakfast - morning of the race
    Pancakes, sausages, coffee or tea wil be available at Mansfield the morning of the event.

    Event Requirements
    9:00 am races Citizen Permit ($45 adult, $35 17-18 youth, $30 16 and under) or OCA Licence OR one day permits are available on site for $12 ($8 for 14 and under).
    10:00 or 11:45 am races Citizen Permit for Try-an-Ocup and Singlespeed, full licences for others, or $12 one day (max 3 per season).
    1:30 pm races OCA licence is required for all categories.

    Riders must all have an approved cycling helmet and a mountain bike in working order.

    What race category is right for me to start in?
    9:00 am Beginner Men's and Women's categories are for riders without much off roading mountain bike experience and/or racing experience.
    10:00 am or 11:45 am (depending on age) Try-An-Ocup or Sport Level Categories are for riders with a good mountain bike experience base and probably some experience racing.
    1:30 pm Expert/Elite Level Racing is something to shoot for, but you can't start in these categories.
    Guide for Selecting a Race Category

    For more information on OCA Licences please visit www.ontariocycling.org.
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    I havent decided whether ill be racing. I'm moving into my sweet new apartment on Saturday, and since ive joined the full time workforce, i've realized free time is hard to come by, so theres a good chance ill be stuck assembling ikea furniture all sunday.
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    After all the complaints about long winter

    this O-Cup kinda comes too quickly. I don't even know if I will be able to pre-ride - my work may be in the way as well...

    However, Mansfield is a good start of the racing season, so I will race it regardless. I just don't know how my legs will like an additional lap...

    I hope that the squishy will compensate somewhat for extended race mileage.

    Look forward to seeing all the familiar faces, again...

    Quote Originally Posted by superlightracer
    'tis that time again.

    Where sausage suits and excuses reign supreme.

    Perfect Early Season Classic Course, Great for First Time Participants!

    Register for the full season and get an Ontario Cup shirt.

    The Course
    With southern exposure and sandy soil, frost-laiden mud-fests are an unlikely proposition. A great network of singletrack, climbs and a spectator-friendly route cap off a great early season course.

    Pre-Riding
    As Mansfield is no longer an operational riding center, and because they have school groups in during the day, pre-riding is limited. Pre-riding starts at 4pm on Friday, April 29, and is open all day Saturday, with pre-riding fees of $9 including HST applicable on both days.

    Mansfield Breakfast - morning of the race
    Pancakes, sausages, coffee or tea wil be available at Mansfield the morning of the event.

    Event Requirements
    9:00 am races Citizen Permit ($45 adult, $35 17-18 youth, $30 16 and under) or OCA Licence OR one day permits are available on site for $12 ($8 for 14 and under).
    10:00 or 11:45 am races Citizen Permit for Try-an-Ocup and Singlespeed, full licences for others, or $12 one day (max 3 per season).
    1:30 pm races OCA licence is required for all categories.

    Riders must all have an approved cycling helmet and a mountain bike in working order.

    What race category is right for me to start in?
    9:00 am Beginner Men's and Women's categories are for riders without much off roading mountain bike experience and/or racing experience.
    10:00 am or 11:45 am (depending on age) Try-An-Ocup or Sport Level Categories are for riders with a good mountain bike experience base and probably some experience racing.
    1:30 pm Expert/Elite Level Racing is something to shoot for, but you can't start in these categories.
    Guide for Selecting a Race Category

    For more information on OCA Licences please visit www.ontariocycling.org.
    http://chicoracing.com/2011-mountain...-schedule.html



    I havent decided whether ill be racing. I'm moving into my sweet new apartment on Saturday, and since ive joined the full time workforce, i've realized free time is hard to come by, so theres a good chance ill be stuck assembling ikea furniture all sunday.

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    Yeah, I'm going to go and hang out for the day, and play in the dirt a bit. Should be fun.
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    I'm in...

    Well, this race is officially the first of 2011 for me. I am really looking forward to it despite wishing for a less serious foray into the race scene first. Oh well, that's the way it goes, so no complaining here.

    Hoping for a pre-ride Friday or Saturday and a kind Mother Nature on race day. As Oggie mentioned, it will be nice to see many familiar smiling faces out there! Good luck to those racing!

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    For the first time in a couple years, I will be missing this and select other O-Cups. In the case of #1 this year, it is due to more completely embracing my roadie-at-heart and heading off to London for Springbank.

    It is tough to pass up racing at Mansfield, one of my favourite venues, but as was pointed out to me in conversation today it's probably best that I actually spend some time riding off road before I jump into a mountain bike race lest I let my fitness get the better of my skill (or lack thereof) and put myself into a tree (as I have many times before).

    All the best to those racing. I'll be thinking of you and those trails for sure!

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    I think

    you should absolutely positively race at Mansfield...

    By now, you should be able to race it blindfolded...

    Don't trust those naysayers...

    Quote Originally Posted by jmoote
    For the first time in a couple years, I will be missing this and select other O-Cups. In the case of #1 this year, it is due to more completely embracing my roadie-at-heart and heading off to London for Springbank.

    It is tough to pass up racing at Mansfield, one of my favourite venues, but as was pointed out to me in conversation today it's probably best that I actually spend some time riding off road before I jump into a mountain bike race lest I let my fitness get the better of my skill (or lack thereof) and put myself into a tree (as I have many times before).

    All the best to those racing. I'll be thinking of you and those trails for sure!

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    Pre-registered for the entire series. Looking forward to Mansfield and all the grueling climbs! Going to be a stomach-emptier for sure.

    Also moving into a new apartment this month, but determined not to sacrifice racing!

    See you all there! Going to try to head up after work on Friday for a pre-ride if the weather is decent.

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    Quote Originally Posted by superlightracer
    'tis that time again.

    Where sausage suits and excuses reign supreme.
    Excuse #1: Mrs. Monster, Louda, Superfly Craig and I are off to NYC to do the Five Boros Tour. Already got our day-glo numbered safety vests in the mail. Never been to the Big Apple before and this was always the way I wanted to see it first. Homebase will be the south end of Manhattan. So kewl! (Enjoy the mud, suckers!)
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    I signed up for the entire series.

    I've 'focused' on more endurance style training the past (that is code for I never rode with much intensity). Hence, the few OCUP's I've done have gotten the better of me. I've decided to try to change that this year.

    I'll be battling it out in sport hoping to make my way to expert over the course of the season.

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    I decided that I would race the Ocup series this year and while at it I upgraded to Expert already. Sunday should be a humbling experience. I won't be going all the way to Mansfield to preride but will drive early day off. I don't think it will really affect my hang on until you drop strategy. Should be a fun day, can't wait to finally ride some trails.

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    I would like to do the race. I am travelling this week again, so I shall do my best to maintain what I've got. I really need to pre-ride however. I know Mansfield well enough, but the mountain bike looks rather foreign to me now.
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    Thinking of checking out the Ocup series this year (previously just MTB for fun, raced a bit of 'cross the last 3 years).

    I have two questions for those more experienced:
    1) I'll likely be using my old singlespeed (assuming I find a new freewheel this week)... how rough is the SS class? Or should I go with the beginner category.
    2) I will certainly not be able to get out to preride, is this a very bad thing?

    Thanks!

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    Quote Originally Posted by EvilScience
    Thinking of checking out the Ocup series this year (previously just MTB for fun, raced a bit of 'cross the last 3 years).

    I have two questions for those more experienced:
    1) I'll likely be using my old singlespeed (assuming I find a new freewheel this week)... how rough is the SS class? Or should I go with the beginner category.
    2) I will certainly not be able to get out to preride, is this a very bad thing?

    Thanks!
    1)SS has a little bit of everything in it so it really ranges a broad spectrum of abilities. Chances are very good that you'll find someone to race in there that's a good match for you.

    2)Depends on how much riding you've done at Mansfield before. There are usually two tough climbs per lap there (that stupid gravel hill of death and something like O2 Debt) and a killer descent just before the Start/Finish. Everything else is pretty much just rolling and fun.
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    SS class

    has some of the best riders in it - very fast. However - that should not deter you from joining the fun. If podium is all you care about - you may tear up the beginner category, but what for?

    I would go with the big boys if I were you.

    Mansfield is not very technical, as you may know... Long grinding opening climb and then some very smooth singletrack after that... After the first lap - you will know everything you need to know...

    Good luck....

    Quote Originally Posted by EvilScience
    Thinking of checking out the Ocup series this year (previously just MTB for fun, raced a bit of 'cross the last 3 years).

    I have two questions for those more experienced:
    1) I'll likely be using my old singlespeed (assuming I find a new freewheel this week)... how rough is the SS class? Or should I go with the beginner category.
    2) I will certainly not be able to get out to preride, is this a very bad thing?

    Thanks!

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    Quote Originally Posted by EvilScience
    Thinking of checking out the Ocup series this year (previously just MTB for fun, raced a bit of 'cross the last 3 years).

    I have two questions for those more experienced:
    1) I'll likely be using my old singlespeed (assuming I find a new freewheel this week)... how rough is the SS class? Or should I go with the beginner category.
    2) I will certainly not be able to get out to preride, is this a very bad thing?

    Thanks!
    1) The SS class has a HUGE range of talent, since it is classified as "open." There are some very fast riders in it, and also some that are a little more human. If you want, you can compare the results of the past SS races to your sport age group which does the same number of laps.

    2) Mansfield is not particularly technical, so you don't need to worry too much about pre-riding if it is not convenient for you, IMHO. If you are planning on winning, it helps to know where everything is before you get to it, but for somebody like myself just chasing a mid-pack finish, it's not a big deal. Use a little caution on the first lap while you feel out the course. You can then empty the tank on the following laps.
    When under pressure, your level of performance will sink to your level of preparation.

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    Not looking forward to the obligatory double climbs perlap. That is going to hurt on lap 2, never mind 3. Watch out for flying upchuck on my second pass of the gravel hill of doom. According to my calculations, that's my prediction.

    This weeks weather is sure going to make things interesting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nspace
    This weeks weather is sure going to make things interesting.
    OMG what tires should I run? I have black ones, knobby ones, and round ones. The knobby ones are on my bike now, but I was thinking of switching to the black ones.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rkj__
    OMG what tires should I run? I have black ones, knobby ones, and round ones? The knobby ones are on my bike now, but I was thinking of switching to the black ones.

    Thanks.
    If I were you, I'd use the round ones. They roll better and let off a very pleasant pine scent.

    kthxbai!
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    something is telling me that

    this year will be the year of white tires.

    catch up!

    Quote Originally Posted by rkj__
    OMG what tires should I run? I have black ones, knobby ones, and round ones. The knobby ones are on my bike now, but I was thinking of switching to the black ones.

    Thanks.

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    Is this optional?

    Quote Originally Posted by rkj__
    You can then empty the tank on the following laps.
    It usually happens on my second lap.

    Can you help me with my bad planning so that I at least extend it to the last lap?

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    Quote Originally Posted by osokolo
    Is this optional?

    It usually happens on my second lap.

    Can you help me with my bad planning so that I at least extend it to the last lap?
    It depends what your goals and objectives are for the race. On a scale of A to C, how important is this race to you?
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    I mostly want to look good

    and beat a sucker or two if I can, this year. Any advice is appreciated. The race is A-1 important to me.

    Quote Originally Posted by rkj__
    It depends what your goals and objectives are for the race. On a scale of A to C, how important is this race to you?

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    Quote Originally Posted by osokolo
    and beat a sucker or two if I can, this year. Any advice is appreciated. The race is A-1 important to me.
    "See that look in their eyes, osokolo? You gotta get that look back, osokolo. Eye of the tiger, man."
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    Quote Originally Posted by osokolo
    Any advice is appreciated. The race is A-1 important to me.
    Wear lots of white. Winners wear white, yards of it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rkj__
    OMG what tires should I run?
    Easy answer, whatever is currently on your bike. Racing Ralphs it is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by osokolo
    you should absolutely positively race at Mansfield...

    By now, you should be able to race it blindfolded...

    Don't trust those naysayers...
    True, I am not worried about the course which I know very well. The decision has been put in stone (i.e. pre-reg) and I will be missing this round, but will almost certainly make my 2011 mtb debut at Woodnewton.

    Have fun agonizing over tire choice this weekend everyone If I can offer any advice it's that it won't matter that much. With a venue like Mansfield, even in the rain it can be navigated on pretty minimal tires if not a bit more carefully than if you have some serious rubber.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nspace
    Not looking forward to the obligatory double climbs perlap. That is going to hurt on lap 2, never mind 3. Watch out for flying upchuck on my second pass of the gravel hill of doom. According to my calculations, that's my prediction.

    This weeks weather is sure going to make things interesting.
    What happened to your "Personal goal: to not puke, and do a proper cool down" Or is that just a strict goal for Tuesdays?

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    I really can't help with the latter. In fact, I may be the latter to you. As to the former, I'm working on growing a stylish Euro mullet.

    Quote Originally Posted by osokolo
    I mostly want to look good and beat a sucker or two if I can, this year. Any advice is appreciated. The race is A-1 important to me.
    Jouko

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    white is the key

    it definitely makes the difference between the winners and wieners...

    Quote Originally Posted by garage monster
    Wear lots of white. Winners wear white, yards of it.

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    his only goal is to get married this year...

    everything else is just wasting time until it happens...

    Quote Originally Posted by Louda
    What happened to your "Personal goal: to not puke, and do a proper cool down" Or is that just a strict goal for Tuesdays?

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    Sir, I would pay

    to see that mullet.

    Bring it on!

    However, I suspect I will be busy fighting with twenty6black for that coveted second last spot, to pay much attention to you.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jouko
    I really can't help with the latter. In fact, I may be the latter to you. As to the former, I'm working on growing a stylish Euro mullet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Louda
    What happened to your "Personal goal: to not puke, and do a proper cool down" Or is that just a strict goal for Tuesdays?
    Been having trouble with that. Soon I am going to have to embrace it. Trying a new pre-race diet before Sunday. Gotta experiment.

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    Quote Originally Posted by osokolo
    everything else is just wasting time until it happens...
    That isn't until 2012!

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    Oggie, we know your going to give it !

    Quote Originally Posted by osokolo
    to see that mullet.

    Bring it on!

    However, I suspect I will be busy fighting with twenty6black for that coveted second last spot, to pay much attention to you.

    Your going to leave me in the dust Oggie....I remember from sport class there was no touching you - not even at Buckwallow. I have switched to the 29er world, so that we have more in common ;-)

    Also, the only reason I went to expert was to say I did one year of the 01:30pm start - and now they have a 50-54 expert that starts at 01:30pm !!! 5 more years of 4 LAPS! HAAA

    its all good....especially if its not raining or cold or damp....finishing would be a plus too.

    cheers all.......LC

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    Why no course map? Site says course map will be posted 1 week before event?
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    Ooh, that's quite a bit different than usual. The regular "gravel hill of death" is a downhill and its evil twin is the start climb! Looks like Zac's revenge will be the lung-buster of the day.
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    Should be interesting - 1st race in 2 years....2 years off the bike and two kids later - we will see what the Legs and Lungs have...should be a good test....Scared of what the result may be but that is okay - can't be more painful than childbirth right?!? right?! hummmm......??

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    Oh man, best mansfield course ever! Some of the classic O-cup trails were getting excessively brake-bumpy for my liking in the direction we've gone the last couple years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by garage monster
    Ooh, that's quite a bit different than usual. The regular "gravel hill of death" is a downhill and its evil twin is the start climb! Looks like Zac's revenge will be the lung-buster of the day.
    I guess I don't know the trail names and locations enough to know which hill is Zac's Revenge. I seem to think it's a long double track climb that's almost in a bowl going up with a steep pitch for the last 50 metres or so? Am I remotely correct?

    Doesn't really matter too much as I will pre-ride anyway, but it's good to have a clue to some degree.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mtbmeister
    I guess I don't know the trail names and locations enough to know which hill is Zac's Revenge. I seem to think it's a long double track climb that's almost in a bowl going up with a steep pitch for the last 50 metres or so? Am I remotely correct?

    Doesn't really matter too much as I will pre-ride anyway, but it's good to have a clue to some degree.
    That's pretty much it. You follow a tame drainage up and start to wonder why you're out of breath and then there's a steep bit of single track. Classic Mansfield!
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    Quote Originally Posted by jmoote
    Oh man, best mansfield course ever! Some of the classic O-cup trails were getting excessively brake-bumpy for my liking in the direction we've gone the last couple years.
    Devil's Drop was getting hairy at the bottom. Sad to see it go but it needs help to make it fun again.
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    Quote Originally Posted by garage monster
    That's pretty much it. You follow a tame drainage up and start to wonder why you're out of breath and then there's a steep bit of single track. Classic Mansfield!
    I don't remember the singletrack at the top. The spot I am referring to is where they had the van parked at about 1/3 of the way up last year testing the "your rider is here" technology at the Epic Eight Hour. At the end of the day, know this two day before a preride isn't really going to make a huge difference, but if it's that climb, it's always a biatch!
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    This looks like it will be a fun ride on Saturday, it will be my first race in expert so I hope I don't get left too far behind.
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    mtbmeister, i dont think you are picturing the correct climb. Zacs revenge is further up the ridge if that makes any sense. We are going to come down Hemo onto the double track that you are thinking of, fast double track DH. Fast right hand corner onto more double track that runs parallel to Airport road. Climb up, than enter Zacs revenge which is a single track climb. I think about three years ago we climbed this way

    For the record, The honarble Zac is getting close to aquiring his drivers license.

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    yeah, we climbed it recently in one of the races...

    Can't remember which race, but it is a tough climb, a bit technical as well as we have to negotiate some roots and off camber.

    Hopefully traction will not be an issue...


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    mtbmeister, i dont think you are picturing the correct climb. Zacs revenge is further up the ridge if that makes any sense. We are going to come down Hemo onto the double track that you are thinking of, fast double track DH. Fast right hand corner onto more double track that runs parallel to Airport road. Climb up, than enter Zacs revenge which is a single track climb. I think about three years ago we climbed this way

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    Quote Originally Posted by osokolo
    Can't remember which race, but it is a tough climb, a bit technical as well as we have to negotiate some roots and off camber.
    Hopefully traction will not be an issue...
    We climbed it in last years OCUP.
    IIRC we came down it in the 8hr. Much nice that way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jmoote
    Some of the classic O-cup trails were getting excessively brake-bumpy for my liking in the direction we've gone the last couple years.
    Quote Originally Posted by garage monster
    Devil's Drop was getting hairy at the bottom. Sad to see it go but it needs help to make it fun again.
    I don't know anything about XC racing, so please forgive these nave questions. I'm trying to understand what makes an XC course "fun:"

    What does "brake-bumpy" mean? Uneven terrain? Rock gardens? Twisty stuff that forces you to brake?

    What direction have the O-cups gone in the last few years?

    What was "hairy" about the Devil's Drop and why did it make the race not fun?

    Thanks in advance...

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    Quote Originally Posted by raganwald
    I don't know anything about XC racing, so please forgive these nave questions. I'm trying to understand what makes an XC course "fun:"

    What does "brake-bumpy" mean? Uneven terrain? Rock gardens? Twisty stuff that forces you to brake?

    What direction have the O-cups gone in the last few years?

    What was "hairy" about the Devil's Drop and why did it make the race not fun?

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    Brake bumps typically occur at the bottom of a steepish hill that has a corner or some other need to slow down at the bottom. As riders scrub off speed by applying the brakes it tends to make a washboard like surface (this is after lots of riders, notably, at a 24 or 8 hour relay, or trails with lots of racing on them).

    OCUPs have are a bit dictated by the venue. I don't think they have changed too much. They are generally 7-9 km laps, 1/2 double, half single track. The venue dictates the technical level of the course.

    Devils drop was a really steep single track chute. If you were riding casually, you likely wouldn't think much of it, but get into a race situation, trying to catch, or elude other racers, at max heart rate, booking it, with 4 or less inches of travel, and it made for an bit of a hairy ride.
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    Braking bumps generally refer to uneven trail wear that occurs where there is an abrupt change in speed and/or direction. Riders tend to lock their rear wheels and over time, that will cause pot holes to form on the trail.

    The end of Devil's Drop is essentially a fall-line trail that opened up into a grassy field. To navigate the turn at the bottom, you'd have to haul on your brakes. Due to all that braking, bumps big enough to rattle the fillings out of your head have formed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CptSydor
    Devils drop was a really steep single track shut. If you were riding casually, you likely wouldn't think much of it, but get into a race situation, trying to catch, or elude other racers, at max heart rate, booking it, with 4 or less inches of travel, and it made for an bit of a hairy ride.
    Ah! Brake bumps. Washboard at the bottom of a hill. I've seen that, how neat.

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    I thought so... You are right...

    Last year's O-Cup had it...

    Quote Originally Posted by thedumbopinion
    We climbed it in last years OCUP.
    IIRC we came down it in the 8hr. Much nice that way.

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    Somewhat regretting decision to run a Marathon on Sunday instead of this race... I am sure it will be fun but its not the same...

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    Quote Originally Posted by egggman
    Somewhat regretting decision to run a Marathon on Sunday instead of this race... I am sure it will be fun but its not the same...
    Wait until Monday to really regret it!

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    Im pretty sure they used this course back in '06 or 07... i remember it being fun- even without devils drop.
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    I am not sorry to see Devil's drop get dropped. Too rough for my rigid self. But I love the climb at the start. Far better than a flat start for us singlespeeders.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HSCoach2
    Wait until Monday to really regret it!

    Ha, thanks for that

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    if I pre ride Saturday, I might be dead for Sunday....I always get excited and go too fast on a pre-ride.....maybe go tonight

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    Quote Originally Posted by spin_cycle
    Should be interesting - 1st race in 2 years....2 years off the bike and two kids later - we will see what the Legs and Lungs have...should be a good test....Scared of what the result may be but that is okay - can't be more painful than childbirth right?!? right?! hummmm......??
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    Just got home from pre-ride. Course is in excellent condition moisture wise. Very fast...almost easy. The finish descent is so much more fun than Devils Drop. So can't wait for Sunday.
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    Same, just got home. Not a very technical course at all, which isn't bad, because most people haven't had much time on the trails yet, but bad because I like the more technical trails. I think Devils Drop was better, this downhill is a highway, anyone that can steer their bike can make it down easily... Luckily if you go fast enough anything is technical

    Did 4 laps, first one easy with some family, then did 3 hardish laps (HR about 10-15 bpm below 'race pace'). 1h10mins for 3 laps, going to be a quick race I guess. It's a super fast course.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rgkicksbutt
    1h10mins for 3 laps, going to be a quick race I guess. It's a super fast course.
    What category do you race?
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    Quote Originally Posted by rgkicksbutt
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    Cool, thanks, that helps me set more reasonable expectations for myself - a sport rider. Good luck with your race.
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    Didn't do the race last year, but that downhill finish is bad@ss! Superfast and you can almost catch air on a couple of humps on the way down. Course is in excellent shape. Go away rain!
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    Quote Originally Posted by rkj__
    Cool, thanks, that helps me set more reasonable expectations for myself - a sport rider. Good luck with your race.
    Good luck to you too, and everyone else, it's a fun course, constant grinning, after the climbs that is

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    Quote Originally Posted by rgkicksbutt
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    Whew! I did 3 in 1:25 and thought I was doing OK. Glad to hear 1:10 is an elite time

    While I like it technical, the Devil's Drop was getting a little played. The one singletrack climb with the 3 rooty step-ups are more my style. Plus I hit 54kph on the finish descent on my fully rigid! Good times indeed.
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    Good luck tomorrow everyone!! Hope the rain holds off.
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    results are up

    http://chicoracing.com/results/ontario-cup-1-2011.html


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    'tis that time again.

    Where sausage suits and excuses reign supreme.

    Perfect Early Season Classic Course, Great for First Time Participants!

    Register for the full season and get an Ontario Cup shirt.

    The Course
    With southern exposure and sandy soil, frost-laiden mud-fests are an unlikely proposition. A great network of singletrack, climbs and a spectator-friendly route cap off a great early season course.

    Pre-Riding
    As Mansfield is no longer an operational riding center, and because they have school groups in during the day, pre-riding is limited. Pre-riding starts at 4pm on Friday, April 29, and is open all day Saturday, with pre-riding fees of $9 including HST applicable on both days.

    Mansfield Breakfast - morning of the race
    Pancakes, sausages, coffee or tea wil be available at Mansfield the morning of the event.

    Event Requirements
    9:00 am races Citizen Permit ($45 adult, $35 17-18 youth, $30 16 and under) or OCA Licence OR one day permits are available on site for $12 ($8 for 14 and under).
    10:00 or 11:45 am races Citizen Permit for Try-an-Ocup and Singlespeed, full licences for others, or $12 one day (max 3 per season).
    1:30 pm races OCA licence is required for all categories.

    Riders must all have an approved cycling helmet and a mountain bike in working order.

    What race category is right for me to start in?
    9:00 am Beginner Men's and Women's categories are for riders without much off roading mountain bike experience and/or racing experience.
    10:00 am or 11:45 am (depending on age) Try-An-Ocup or Sport Level Categories are for riders with a good mountain bike experience base and probably some experience racing.
    1:30 pm Expert/Elite Level Racing is something to shoot for, but you can't start in these categories.
    Guide for Selecting a Race Category

    For more information on OCA Licences please visit www.ontariocycling.org.
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    Just a few photos I took today...



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    Ah that was you... I vaguely remember someone mentioning my name, but was too busy trying to regain consciousness that it took me few seconds to process the input...

    Nice pics. My lengthy effort this morning to coordinate colours of my outfit with colours of my equipment yielded stunning results. It earned me many "looking good" comments, but allas, no "doing well" comments.

    Well, if it can not be "all go", let it be "all show".

    Fun course today. Great to see all familiar faces...

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    Quote Originally Posted by osokolo
    Ah that was you... I vaguely remember someone mentioning my name,
    It happened to me too, I heard my name a few times, but had no idea who it was coming from. None the less, it's always appreciated.

    Quote Originally Posted by osokolo

    Well, if it can not be "all go", let it be "all show".
    You were not the only one with high socks today.
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    shhhh, that was my "unfair advantage" secret.

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    Race Report

    In 2 words:
    Training Race

    In more than 2 words:
    First, I'm glad I pre-registered, to stop myself from wussing out. The bleak forecast on Saturday left me worried it would be wet. But, weather turned out perfect.

    My day started with a short drive to JC's place for some carpool action. As he put my bike on the roof, I noticed that my front brake cable (no, I don't have hydraulic brakes) was failing. It was holding on by about 4 strands of the cable. I've never had that problem before. I am very thankful I noticed it when I did. It almost certainly would have failed today otherwise. JC bailed me out by loaning me a Juicy 5 from his rigid bike before we took off.

    So, with my bike all good to go, all I had to do was worry about racing. I had not done a lot of riding leading up to this race, so I was not expecting to place too high. Off the start, my heart rate redlined. I tried backing off a bit, but I was still redlining, and I knew that would not last long. So, I backed it off even more, and watched much of the field race away from me.

    And of course, I only got slower. Each lap was about 3 minutes slower than the previous one. I rode much of the race on my own, occasionally being passed by the leaders of other categories.

    None the less, I enjoyed riding some nice dry singletrack.
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    What a feeling to be mountain biking again. The weather cooperated (at least for my wave) and the course was really fast and fun.

    I was all geared up to race my new purpose built Yeti. On a whim, since I had yet to ride the bike other than up and down the street, I decided to take it out on 2-3 km loop of the local trails. It was fast, a little too fast. The handling was a too unfamiliar at speed so I decided on the back up bike on fear of crashing my brand new bike.

    I then headed off to UFC 129. I kept the carb loading to a minimum, but a 1:30 am shawarma and 3:00 am bed time, left me running on 4 hours sleep and an upset stomach.

    Once at Mansfield I felt a little better than expected and during my warm up, I felt no ill effects. When the gun when off, I told myself to keep it sane on the first climb. I managed to do that and found myself second wheel with a small gap to first and third.

    Lap one stayed with a consistent gap in the top three, with no sight of anyone beyond that. I was getting pretty excited, thinking I had a really good chance to stand on the podium!

    Then it all went wrong (just not for me).

    First place flatted/burped on the start climb on lap 2. I was initially a little bummed, cause it's no fun to take the lead that way, then the feeling of being in first took over and I went into, you can't loose this now mode. I kept looking over my shoulder for 2nd place, which never appeared. Half way through 2nd lap, after not seeing 2nd place any longer, I figured something happened (confirmed mechanical by the results).

    So the last lap and a half, I was in a very weird position, first place, and no one around me from my group. During this time, I saw few people, and rode with even fewer. I found it hard to go fast without the fear of someone behind you. I knew I had a couple minutes gap so I just settled in and tried not to do something stupid. I crossed the line and took my first every win!

    Then I quickly realized I got smoked by the categories around me, which took my excitement down a few levels, not to mention, I had my two closest competitors drop. But I figure that just sets up well for the next OCUP and I'm sure everyone is going to come out even harder.

    BTW, how many UPGRADE points do you need to move up?

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    Quote Originally Posted by CptSydor
    BTW, how many UPGRADE points do you need to move up?
    With one convincing win (congrats!), you can ask for an upgrade. Example, JC did one O-Cup race in Sport last year, and is racing Expert this year.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rkj__
    With one convincing win (congrats!), you can ask for an upgrade. Example, JC did one O-Cup race in Sport last year, and is racing Expert this year.
    I don't think it was convincing enough given the results in the other sport categories.

    While I think my time went up by a few minutes riding without any body to chase or be chased down by for a lap and a half, that still would have left me a few minutes off the other leaders.

    My goal is to upgrade by mid season, so I have a chance to race expert a couple times before provincials where I hope that I can do more than just be spit out the back. But that is going to take a lot of hard work, not to mention, I'm sure there are more than a couple riders looking to make sure I don't come close to the podium (never mind the top step) in OCUP 2. I don't think getting some more race experience will be a bad thing and training over the next couple weeks is going to be hard with a bunch of stuff to take care of.

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    Quote Originally Posted by osokolo
    Well, if it can not be "all go", let it be "all show".

    There was lots of showy new fashion on and about the course yesterday:

    Some folks had new kit:

    <a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/mb5150/5677485093/" title="IMG_8974 by mb5150, on Flickr"><img src="http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5182/5677485093_d9e94698b8.jpg" width="500" height="333" alt="IMG_8974"></a>

    Some folks were sporting snazzy new beards:

    <a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/smarty-1/5676858663/" title="Summers Beard by smarty-1, on Flickr"><img src="http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5145/5676858663_284bbbc148.jpg" width="500" height="333" alt="Summers Beard"></a>

    Some folks had new t-shirts:

    <a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/smarty-1/5677426890/" title="Dorks Part II by smarty-1, on Flickr"><img src="http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5305/5677426890_53dce4d47c.jpg" width="500" height="333" alt="Dorks Part II"></a>

    Some folks had new hardware:

    <a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/smarty-1/5677418926/" title="Ian Medal by smarty-1, on Flickr"><img src="http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5024/5677418926_535207bf7d.jpg" width="333" height="500" alt="Ian Medal"></a>

    Some folks had new mullets:

    <a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/smarty-1/5677435800/" title="Jouko Mullet by smarty-1, on Flickr"><img src="http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5109/5677435800_917762de6c.jpg" width="500" height="333" alt="Jouko Mullet"></a>

    And some folks had questionable taste in compression accessories (the sushi hat is a compression piece as well):

    <a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/smarty-1/5677417386/" title="Oggie Socks by smarty-1, on Flickr"><img src="http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5185/5677417386_ec3e50281b.jpg" width="333" height="500" alt="Oggie Socks"></a>

    Other photos can be seen here: http://www.flickr.com/photos/smarty-...th/5676838413/

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    Quote Originally Posted by CptSydor
    I don't think it was convincing enough given the results in the other sport categories.
    We had the same thing last year in the 30-34 category. We didn't get 100 upgrade points until the 4th race because the leaders time was slow in comparison. even the person who won our overall last year is no forced to upgrade this year.

    By the way, you need 270pts. to upgrade.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CptSydor
    I then headed off to UFC 129. I kept the carb loading to a minimum, but a 1:30 am shawarma and 3:00 am bed time, left me running on 4 hours sleep and an upset stomach.
    Nice work to do well after watching "The Big Show." Congratulations!

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    Maybe it's a Senior vs. Masters category difference since Masters racing effectively tops out in Expert, but my mindset has always been to get to the next category as fast as is legitimately possible (i.e. shoot for the minimum upgrade point requirement, not wait to get forced up).

    This is not to say that Sport and Expert racing are without meaning, but I view these as stepping stones rather than places to reside for the duration of one's racing career. That's not to say someone shouldn't spend many years in these categories - if they are not earning the necessary upgrade points they are quite likely not ready to move up. I could quite likely be Sr Expert for a very long time!

    I hope this does not come off as offensive. It isn't really something I feel strongly about, just a major division in the way people think about categories. There are many people on both sides.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jmoote
    Maybe it's a Senior vs. Masters category difference since Masters racing effectively tops out in Expert, but my mindset has always been to get to the next category as fast as is legitimately possible (i.e. shoot for the minimum upgrade point requirement, not wait to get forced up).

    This is not to say that Sport and Expert racing are without meaning, but I view these as stepping stones rather than places to reside for the duration of one's racing career.
    When training, it's helpful to race against people who push you without dropping you. I have no meaningful XC experience, but my road and CX experience suggest that you should move up when you realize that the competition in your current category is simply not driving you to give 100%.

    On the flip side of that, if the next category is so far ahead of you that you are going to get destroyed in every race, it might be premature to move up. I think it's pretty easy to look at lap times and know whether you should move up. If you would be better than the bottom 10% of the next category at your most recent race, I would consider moving up. If you would be better than the bottom 25%, I would definitely move up.

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    I couldn't make it out as RL issues came up, but I wanted to pretty badly. The RL issues turned out to be a bunch of house viewings that really sucked ass and left me wishing I had raced instead

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    Quote Originally Posted by raganwald
    When training, it's helpful to race against people who push you without dropping you. I have no meaningful XC experience, but my road and CX experience suggest that you should move up when you realize that the competition in your current category is simply not driving you to give 100%.

    On the flip side of that, if the next category is so far ahead of you that you are going to get destroyed in every race, it might be premature to move up. I think it's pretty easy to look at lap times and know whether you should move up. If you would be better than the bottom 10% of the next category at your most recent race, I would consider moving up. If you would be better than the bottom 25%, I would definitely move up.
    I completely agree!
    I took a long time to decide what category I was going to race in this summer, I had enough upgrade points to move up, and the other thing was that I also moved up an age category this summer. I spent some time looking at lap times and average speeds and put myself either on the podium in sport or midfield in expert, so I decided to move to expert to see if I can push a little harder this year, and not feel like I was sandbagging.

    I am sure glad I did move up! racing expert was a lot of fun, but that 4th lap was a killer for me, I lost 4 spots in the last lap that was over 3 min slower then the rest of my laps. Now I know what I need to do and I hope to make it to the top ten by Canada Cup.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jrastories
    I am sure glad I did move up! racing expert was a lot of fun, but that 4th lap was a killer for me, I lost 4 spots in the last lap that was over 3 min slower then the rest of my laps. Now I know what I need to do and I hope to make it to the top ten by Canada Cup.
    Great story, very motivating. Good luck with your goal!

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    Quote Originally Posted by raganwald
    When training, it's helpful to race against people who push you without dropping you. I have no meaningful XC experience, but my road and CX experience suggest that you should move up when you realize that the competition in your current category is simply not driving you to give 100%.

    On the flip side of that, if the next category is so far ahead of you that you are going to get destroyed in every race, it might be premature to move up. I think it's pretty easy to look at lap times and know whether you should move up. If you would be better than the bottom 10% of the next category at your most recent race, I would consider moving up. If you would be better than the bottom 25%, I would definitely move up.
    I agree entirely, but I think the current upgrade system covers that. Reaching the minimum requirement (260 over 3 races: http://www.ontariocycling.org/web_pa...rade-xc_23.htm) is a good indication that one is ready for the next category. A forced upgrade under the current system (best 3 over 290, not forced until next season) is not very common, and really only serves to remove those who are really overdue. I am merely suggesting that people should be volunteering to upgrade when they have reached the threshold rather than waiting for the system to kick them in the ass.

    I know that there are plenty of reasons people don't feel like they are ready for the next category, but I don't hear too many people who wish they could go back after they do. Sure I joked about it myself, but I wouldn't take such an opportunity if it was offered to me today.

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    Excellent results everyone! Wow, Mr. Sydor apparently has been sandbagging all Spring!

    I'd always marveled at people who could look at baseball box-scores and "see" the game in their heads but it turns out I can do that with lap times. Luscombe vs. Wood in Senior Expert looks like it was EPIC!

    Our own adventures in New York at 5 Boros was EPIC in its own way. There's no way to express exactly how breath-taking seeing 35,000 cyclists leave on a ride from Ground Zero is (and as an aside, imagine my surprise when I found out about Osama Bin Laden this morning as we were leaving Manhattan, ) but hopefully Louda can cross-post some pics. Suffice to say, there was a bicycle traffic-jam at the Verrazano Narrows bridge - all you could see for miles in both directions was bikes.
    Please enjoy seeing this terrible collection of me - something wonderful is about to happy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by garage monster
    I'd always marveled at people who could look at baseball box-scores and "see" the game in their heads but it turns out I can do that with lap times. Luscombe vs. Wood in Senior Expert looks like it was EPIC!
    I was doing the same thing today. I'd like to see a replay of the Parniak, Jobain, Smit battle in Master Ex.

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    Quote Originally Posted by garage monster
    I'd always marveled at people who could look at baseball box-scores and "see" the game in their heads but it turns out I can do that with lap times. Luscombe vs. Wood in Senior Expert looks like it was EPIC!
    Wow, now that you point it out I too would have loved to see that. XC racing at the Sr Ex O-Cup level doesn't play out as man to man group racing as often as it should.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jmoote
    I know that there are plenty of reasons people don't feel like they are ready for the next category
    I'm ready to downgrade from try-an-ocup, but the organizers wisely won't let me back into mini-me: They know full well that getting beat up by children would crush what's left of my self-respect.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jmoote
    Wow, now that you point it out I too would have loved to see that. XC racing at the Sr Ex O-Cup level doesn't play out as man to man group racing as often as it should.

    Don't forget that Mr. Wood was schooling everyone on a singlespeed for this race! I would know, as I watched him pull away from me on lap 4 while I struggled on a 3x9.

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    Quote Originally Posted by oshaden
    Don't forget that Mr. Wood was schooling everyone on a singlespeed for this race! I would know, as I watched him pull away from me on lap 4 while I struggled on a 3x9.
    He certainly had the eye of the tiger on Sunday. You could tell from his face that he was givin' it all he had.
    When under pressure, your level of performance will sink to your level of preparation.

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    Race Photos are up!

    Below is a link to see some of Ted's handy-work with the camera this past weekend.

    http://racedayrush.zoomphoto.ca/event/14579/
    A bad day on the bike is better than a good day doing anything else...

    http://www.apexracephotography.com

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