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    Official Mansfield OCup#1 Thread

    'tis that time again.

    Where sausage suits and excuses reign supreme.

    Perfect Early Season Classic Course, Great for First Time Participants!

    Register for the full season and get an Ontario Cup shirt.

    The Course
    With southern exposure and sandy soil, frost-laiden mud-fests are an unlikely proposition. A great network of singletrack, climbs and a spectator-friendly route cap off a great early season course.

    Pre-Riding
    As Mansfield is no longer an operational riding center, and because they have school groups in during the day, pre-riding is limited. Pre-riding starts at 4pm on Friday, April 29, and is open all day Saturday, with pre-riding fees of $9 including HST applicable on both days.

    Mansfield Breakfast - morning of the race
    Pancakes, sausages, coffee or tea wil be available at Mansfield the morning of the event.

    Event Requirements
    9:00 am races Citizen Permit ($45 adult, $35 17-18 youth, $30 16 and under) or OCA Licence OR one day permits are available on site for $12 ($8 for 14 and under).
    10:00 or 11:45 am races Citizen Permit for Try-an-Ocup and Singlespeed, full licences for others, or $12 one day (max 3 per season).
    1:30 pm races OCA licence is required for all categories.

    Riders must all have an approved cycling helmet and a mountain bike in working order.

    What race category is right for me to start in?
    9:00 am Beginner Men's and Women's categories are for riders without much off roading mountain bike experience and/or racing experience.
    10:00 am or 11:45 am (depending on age) Try-An-Ocup or Sport Level Categories are for riders with a good mountain bike experience base and probably some experience racing.
    1:30 pm Expert/Elite Level Racing is something to shoot for, but you can't start in these categories.
    Guide for Selecting a Race Category

    For more information on OCA Licences please visit www.ontariocycling.org.
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    I havent decided whether ill be racing. I'm moving into my sweet new apartment on Saturday, and since ive joined the full time workforce, i've realized free time is hard to come by, so theres a good chance ill be stuck assembling ikea furniture all sunday.
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    After all the complaints about long winter

    this O-Cup kinda comes too quickly. I don't even know if I will be able to pre-ride - my work may be in the way as well...

    However, Mansfield is a good start of the racing season, so I will race it regardless. I just don't know how my legs will like an additional lap...

    I hope that the squishy will compensate somewhat for extended race mileage.

    Look forward to seeing all the familiar faces, again...

    Quote Originally Posted by superlightracer
    'tis that time again.

    Where sausage suits and excuses reign supreme.

    Perfect Early Season Classic Course, Great for First Time Participants!

    Register for the full season and get an Ontario Cup shirt.

    The Course
    With southern exposure and sandy soil, frost-laiden mud-fests are an unlikely proposition. A great network of singletrack, climbs and a spectator-friendly route cap off a great early season course.

    Pre-Riding
    As Mansfield is no longer an operational riding center, and because they have school groups in during the day, pre-riding is limited. Pre-riding starts at 4pm on Friday, April 29, and is open all day Saturday, with pre-riding fees of $9 including HST applicable on both days.

    Mansfield Breakfast - morning of the race
    Pancakes, sausages, coffee or tea wil be available at Mansfield the morning of the event.

    Event Requirements
    9:00 am races Citizen Permit ($45 adult, $35 17-18 youth, $30 16 and under) or OCA Licence OR one day permits are available on site for $12 ($8 for 14 and under).
    10:00 or 11:45 am races Citizen Permit for Try-an-Ocup and Singlespeed, full licences for others, or $12 one day (max 3 per season).
    1:30 pm races OCA licence is required for all categories.

    Riders must all have an approved cycling helmet and a mountain bike in working order.

    What race category is right for me to start in?
    9:00 am Beginner Men's and Women's categories are for riders without much off roading mountain bike experience and/or racing experience.
    10:00 am or 11:45 am (depending on age) Try-An-Ocup or Sport Level Categories are for riders with a good mountain bike experience base and probably some experience racing.
    1:30 pm Expert/Elite Level Racing is something to shoot for, but you can't start in these categories.
    Guide for Selecting a Race Category

    For more information on OCA Licences please visit www.ontariocycling.org.
    http://chicoracing.com/2011-mountain...-schedule.html



    I havent decided whether ill be racing. I'm moving into my sweet new apartment on Saturday, and since ive joined the full time workforce, i've realized free time is hard to come by, so theres a good chance ill be stuck assembling ikea furniture all sunday.

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    Yeah, I'm going to go and hang out for the day, and play in the dirt a bit. Should be fun.
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    I'm in...

    Well, this race is officially the first of 2011 for me. I am really looking forward to it despite wishing for a less serious foray into the race scene first. Oh well, that's the way it goes, so no complaining here.

    Hoping for a pre-ride Friday or Saturday and a kind Mother Nature on race day. As Oggie mentioned, it will be nice to see many familiar smiling faces out there! Good luck to those racing!

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    For the first time in a couple years, I will be missing this and select other O-Cups. In the case of #1 this year, it is due to more completely embracing my roadie-at-heart and heading off to London for Springbank.

    It is tough to pass up racing at Mansfield, one of my favourite venues, but as was pointed out to me in conversation today it's probably best that I actually spend some time riding off road before I jump into a mountain bike race lest I let my fitness get the better of my skill (or lack thereof) and put myself into a tree (as I have many times before).

    All the best to those racing. I'll be thinking of you and those trails for sure!

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    I think

    you should absolutely positively race at Mansfield...

    By now, you should be able to race it blindfolded...

    Don't trust those naysayers...

    Quote Originally Posted by jmoote
    For the first time in a couple years, I will be missing this and select other O-Cups. In the case of #1 this year, it is due to more completely embracing my roadie-at-heart and heading off to London for Springbank.

    It is tough to pass up racing at Mansfield, one of my favourite venues, but as was pointed out to me in conversation today it's probably best that I actually spend some time riding off road before I jump into a mountain bike race lest I let my fitness get the better of my skill (or lack thereof) and put myself into a tree (as I have many times before).

    All the best to those racing. I'll be thinking of you and those trails for sure!

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    Pre-registered for the entire series. Looking forward to Mansfield and all the grueling climbs! Going to be a stomach-emptier for sure.

    Also moving into a new apartment this month, but determined not to sacrifice racing!

    See you all there! Going to try to head up after work on Friday for a pre-ride if the weather is decent.

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    Quote Originally Posted by superlightracer
    'tis that time again.

    Where sausage suits and excuses reign supreme.
    Excuse #1: Mrs. Monster, Louda, Superfly Craig and I are off to NYC to do the Five Boros Tour. Already got our day-glo numbered safety vests in the mail. Never been to the Big Apple before and this was always the way I wanted to see it first. Homebase will be the south end of Manhattan. So kewl! (Enjoy the mud, suckers!)
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    I signed up for the entire series.

    I've 'focused' on more endurance style training the past (that is code for I never rode with much intensity). Hence, the few OCUP's I've done have gotten the better of me. I've decided to try to change that this year.

    I'll be battling it out in sport hoping to make my way to expert over the course of the season.

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    I decided that I would race the Ocup series this year and while at it I upgraded to Expert already. Sunday should be a humbling experience. I won't be going all the way to Mansfield to preride but will drive early day off. I don't think it will really affect my hang on until you drop strategy. Should be a fun day, can't wait to finally ride some trails.

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    I would like to do the race. I am travelling this week again, so I shall do my best to maintain what I've got. I really need to pre-ride however. I know Mansfield well enough, but the mountain bike looks rather foreign to me now.
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    Thinking of checking out the Ocup series this year (previously just MTB for fun, raced a bit of 'cross the last 3 years).

    I have two questions for those more experienced:
    1) I'll likely be using my old singlespeed (assuming I find a new freewheel this week)... how rough is the SS class? Or should I go with the beginner category.
    2) I will certainly not be able to get out to preride, is this a very bad thing?

    Thanks!

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    Quote Originally Posted by EvilScience
    Thinking of checking out the Ocup series this year (previously just MTB for fun, raced a bit of 'cross the last 3 years).

    I have two questions for those more experienced:
    1) I'll likely be using my old singlespeed (assuming I find a new freewheel this week)... how rough is the SS class? Or should I go with the beginner category.
    2) I will certainly not be able to get out to preride, is this a very bad thing?

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    1)SS has a little bit of everything in it so it really ranges a broad spectrum of abilities. Chances are very good that you'll find someone to race in there that's a good match for you.

    2)Depends on how much riding you've done at Mansfield before. There are usually two tough climbs per lap there (that stupid gravel hill of death and something like O2 Debt) and a killer descent just before the Start/Finish. Everything else is pretty much just rolling and fun.
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    SS class

    has some of the best riders in it - very fast. However - that should not deter you from joining the fun. If podium is all you care about - you may tear up the beginner category, but what for?

    I would go with the big boys if I were you.

    Mansfield is not very technical, as you may know... Long grinding opening climb and then some very smooth singletrack after that... After the first lap - you will know everything you need to know...

    Good luck....

    Quote Originally Posted by EvilScience
    Thinking of checking out the Ocup series this year (previously just MTB for fun, raced a bit of 'cross the last 3 years).

    I have two questions for those more experienced:
    1) I'll likely be using my old singlespeed (assuming I find a new freewheel this week)... how rough is the SS class? Or should I go with the beginner category.
    2) I will certainly not be able to get out to preride, is this a very bad thing?

    Thanks!

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    Quote Originally Posted by EvilScience
    Thinking of checking out the Ocup series this year (previously just MTB for fun, raced a bit of 'cross the last 3 years).

    I have two questions for those more experienced:
    1) I'll likely be using my old singlespeed (assuming I find a new freewheel this week)... how rough is the SS class? Or should I go with the beginner category.
    2) I will certainly not be able to get out to preride, is this a very bad thing?

    Thanks!
    1) The SS class has a HUGE range of talent, since it is classified as "open." There are some very fast riders in it, and also some that are a little more human. If you want, you can compare the results of the past SS races to your sport age group which does the same number of laps.

    2) Mansfield is not particularly technical, so you don't need to worry too much about pre-riding if it is not convenient for you, IMHO. If you are planning on winning, it helps to know where everything is before you get to it, but for somebody like myself just chasing a mid-pack finish, it's not a big deal. Use a little caution on the first lap while you feel out the course. You can then empty the tank on the following laps.
    When under pressure, your level of performance will sink to your level of preparation.

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    Not looking forward to the obligatory double climbs perlap. That is going to hurt on lap 2, never mind 3. Watch out for flying upchuck on my second pass of the gravel hill of doom. According to my calculations, that's my prediction.

    This weeks weather is sure going to make things interesting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nspace
    This weeks weather is sure going to make things interesting.
    OMG what tires should I run? I have black ones, knobby ones, and round ones. The knobby ones are on my bike now, but I was thinking of switching to the black ones.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rkj__
    OMG what tires should I run? I have black ones, knobby ones, and round ones? The knobby ones are on my bike now, but I was thinking of switching to the black ones.

    Thanks.
    If I were you, I'd use the round ones. They roll better and let off a very pleasant pine scent.

    kthxbai!
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    something is telling me that

    this year will be the year of white tires.

    catch up!

    Quote Originally Posted by rkj__
    OMG what tires should I run? I have black ones, knobby ones, and round ones. The knobby ones are on my bike now, but I was thinking of switching to the black ones.

    Thanks.

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    Is this optional?

    Quote Originally Posted by rkj__
    You can then empty the tank on the following laps.
    It usually happens on my second lap.

    Can you help me with my bad planning so that I at least extend it to the last lap?

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    Quote Originally Posted by osokolo
    Is this optional?

    It usually happens on my second lap.

    Can you help me with my bad planning so that I at least extend it to the last lap?
    It depends what your goals and objectives are for the race. On a scale of A to C, how important is this race to you?
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    I mostly want to look good

    and beat a sucker or two if I can, this year. Any advice is appreciated. The race is A-1 important to me.

    Quote Originally Posted by rkj__
    It depends what your goals and objectives are for the race. On a scale of A to C, how important is this race to you?

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    Quote Originally Posted by osokolo
    and beat a sucker or two if I can, this year. Any advice is appreciated. The race is A-1 important to me.
    "See that look in their eyes, osokolo? You gotta get that look back, osokolo. Eye of the tiger, man."
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    Quote Originally Posted by osokolo
    Any advice is appreciated. The race is A-1 important to me.
    Wear lots of white. Winners wear white, yards of it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rkj__
    OMG what tires should I run?
    Easy answer, whatever is currently on your bike. Racing Ralphs it is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by osokolo
    you should absolutely positively race at Mansfield...

    By now, you should be able to race it blindfolded...

    Don't trust those naysayers...
    True, I am not worried about the course which I know very well. The decision has been put in stone (i.e. pre-reg) and I will be missing this round, but will almost certainly make my 2011 mtb debut at Woodnewton.

    Have fun agonizing over tire choice this weekend everyone If I can offer any advice it's that it won't matter that much. With a venue like Mansfield, even in the rain it can be navigated on pretty minimal tires if not a bit more carefully than if you have some serious rubber.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nspace
    Not looking forward to the obligatory double climbs perlap. That is going to hurt on lap 2, never mind 3. Watch out for flying upchuck on my second pass of the gravel hill of doom. According to my calculations, that's my prediction.

    This weeks weather is sure going to make things interesting.
    What happened to your "Personal goal: to not puke, and do a proper cool down" Or is that just a strict goal for Tuesdays?

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    I really can't help with the latter. In fact, I may be the latter to you. As to the former, I'm working on growing a stylish Euro mullet.

    Quote Originally Posted by osokolo
    I mostly want to look good and beat a sucker or two if I can, this year. Any advice is appreciated. The race is A-1 important to me.
    Jouko

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    white is the key

    it definitely makes the difference between the winners and wieners...

    Quote Originally Posted by garage monster
    Wear lots of white. Winners wear white, yards of it.

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    his only goal is to get married this year...

    everything else is just wasting time until it happens...

    Quote Originally Posted by Louda
    What happened to your "Personal goal: to not puke, and do a proper cool down" Or is that just a strict goal for Tuesdays?

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    Sir, I would pay

    to see that mullet.

    Bring it on!

    However, I suspect I will be busy fighting with twenty6black for that coveted second last spot, to pay much attention to you.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jouko
    I really can't help with the latter. In fact, I may be the latter to you. As to the former, I'm working on growing a stylish Euro mullet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Louda
    What happened to your "Personal goal: to not puke, and do a proper cool down" Or is that just a strict goal for Tuesdays?
    Been having trouble with that. Soon I am going to have to embrace it. Trying a new pre-race diet before Sunday. Gotta experiment.

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    Quote Originally Posted by osokolo
    everything else is just wasting time until it happens...
    That isn't until 2012!

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    Oggie, we know your going to give it !

    Quote Originally Posted by osokolo
    to see that mullet.

    Bring it on!

    However, I suspect I will be busy fighting with twenty6black for that coveted second last spot, to pay much attention to you.

    Your going to leave me in the dust Oggie....I remember from sport class there was no touching you - not even at Buckwallow. I have switched to the 29er world, so that we have more in common ;-)

    Also, the only reason I went to expert was to say I did one year of the 01:30pm start - and now they have a 50-54 expert that starts at 01:30pm !!! 5 more years of 4 LAPS! HAAA

    its all good....especially if its not raining or cold or damp....finishing would be a plus too.

    cheers all.......LC

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    Why no course map? Site says course map will be posted 1 week before event?
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    Ooh, that's quite a bit different than usual. The regular "gravel hill of death" is a downhill and its evil twin is the start climb! Looks like Zac's revenge will be the lung-buster of the day.
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    Should be interesting - 1st race in 2 years....2 years off the bike and two kids later - we will see what the Legs and Lungs have...should be a good test....Scared of what the result may be but that is okay - can't be more painful than childbirth right?!? right?! hummmm......??

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    Oh man, best mansfield course ever! Some of the classic O-cup trails were getting excessively brake-bumpy for my liking in the direction we've gone the last couple years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by garage monster
    Ooh, that's quite a bit different than usual. The regular "gravel hill of death" is a downhill and its evil twin is the start climb! Looks like Zac's revenge will be the lung-buster of the day.
    I guess I don't know the trail names and locations enough to know which hill is Zac's Revenge. I seem to think it's a long double track climb that's almost in a bowl going up with a steep pitch for the last 50 metres or so? Am I remotely correct?

    Doesn't really matter too much as I will pre-ride anyway, but it's good to have a clue to some degree.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mtbmeister
    I guess I don't know the trail names and locations enough to know which hill is Zac's Revenge. I seem to think it's a long double track climb that's almost in a bowl going up with a steep pitch for the last 50 metres or so? Am I remotely correct?

    Doesn't really matter too much as I will pre-ride anyway, but it's good to have a clue to some degree.
    That's pretty much it. You follow a tame drainage up and start to wonder why you're out of breath and then there's a steep bit of single track. Classic Mansfield!
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    Quote Originally Posted by jmoote
    Oh man, best mansfield course ever! Some of the classic O-cup trails were getting excessively brake-bumpy for my liking in the direction we've gone the last couple years.
    Devil's Drop was getting hairy at the bottom. Sad to see it go but it needs help to make it fun again.
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    Quote Originally Posted by garage monster
    That's pretty much it. You follow a tame drainage up and start to wonder why you're out of breath and then there's a steep bit of single track. Classic Mansfield!
    I don't remember the singletrack at the top. The spot I am referring to is where they had the van parked at about 1/3 of the way up last year testing the "your rider is here" technology at the Epic Eight Hour. At the end of the day, know this two day before a preride isn't really going to make a huge difference, but if it's that climb, it's always a biatch!
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    This looks like it will be a fun ride on Saturday, it will be my first race in expert so I hope I don't get left too far behind.
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    mtbmeister, i dont think you are picturing the correct climb. Zacs revenge is further up the ridge if that makes any sense. We are going to come down Hemo onto the double track that you are thinking of, fast double track DH. Fast right hand corner onto more double track that runs parallel to Airport road. Climb up, than enter Zacs revenge which is a single track climb. I think about three years ago we climbed this way

    For the record, The honarble Zac is getting close to aquiring his drivers license.

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    yeah, we climbed it recently in one of the races...

    Can't remember which race, but it is a tough climb, a bit technical as well as we have to negotiate some roots and off camber.

    Hopefully traction will not be an issue...


    Quote Originally Posted by Scott Holmes
    mtbmeister, i dont think you are picturing the correct climb. Zacs revenge is further up the ridge if that makes any sense. We are going to come down Hemo onto the double track that you are thinking of, fast double track DH. Fast right hand corner onto more double track that runs parallel to Airport road. Climb up, than enter Zacs revenge which is a single track climb. I think about three years ago we climbed this way

    For the record, The honarble Zac is getting close to aquiring his drivers license.

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    Quote Originally Posted by osokolo
    Can't remember which race, but it is a tough climb, a bit technical as well as we have to negotiate some roots and off camber.
    Hopefully traction will not be an issue...
    We climbed it in last years OCUP.
    IIRC we came down it in the 8hr. Much nice that way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jmoote
    Some of the classic O-cup trails were getting excessively brake-bumpy for my liking in the direction we've gone the last couple years.
    Quote Originally Posted by garage monster
    Devil's Drop was getting hairy at the bottom. Sad to see it go but it needs help to make it fun again.
    I don't know anything about XC racing, so please forgive these nave questions. I'm trying to understand what makes an XC course "fun:"

    What does "brake-bumpy" mean? Uneven terrain? Rock gardens? Twisty stuff that forces you to brake?

    What direction have the O-cups gone in the last few years?

    What was "hairy" about the Devil's Drop and why did it make the race not fun?

    Thanks in advance...

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    Quote Originally Posted by raganwald
    I don't know anything about XC racing, so please forgive these nave questions. I'm trying to understand what makes an XC course "fun:"

    What does "brake-bumpy" mean? Uneven terrain? Rock gardens? Twisty stuff that forces you to brake?

    What direction have the O-cups gone in the last few years?

    What was "hairy" about the Devil's Drop and why did it make the race not fun?

    Thanks in advance...
    Brake bumps typically occur at the bottom of a steepish hill that has a corner or some other need to slow down at the bottom. As riders scrub off speed by applying the brakes it tends to make a washboard like surface (this is after lots of riders, notably, at a 24 or 8 hour relay, or trails with lots of racing on them).

    OCUPs have are a bit dictated by the venue. I don't think they have changed too much. They are generally 7-9 km laps, 1/2 double, half single track. The venue dictates the technical level of the course.

    Devils drop was a really steep single track chute. If you were riding casually, you likely wouldn't think much of it, but get into a race situation, trying to catch, or elude other racers, at max heart rate, booking it, with 4 or less inches of travel, and it made for an bit of a hairy ride.
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