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    OCA prelim schedule - where is Cold Creek?

    I noticed on the OCA site they have a sneek peek at next years schedule.

    http://www.ontariocycling.org/web_do...relim_sked.pdf

    For a couple of Chico's races (Spring 8 Hour & the August O-Cup) it lists the venue at Cold Creek. Never heard of it before. When I check Chico's site it shows the 8 Hour at Mansfield and August O-Cup as TBA. Is Cold Creek the same thing as Mansfield?

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    New venue...

    Quote Originally Posted by sperky
    I noticed on the OCA site they have a sneek peek at next years schedule.

    http://www.ontariocycling.org/web_do...relim_sked.pdf

    For a couple of Chico's races (Spring 8 Hour & the August O-Cup) it lists the venue at Cold Creek. Never heard of it before. When I check Chico's site it shows the 8 Hour at Mansfield and August O-Cup as TBA. Is Cold Creek the same thing as Mansfield?
    Actually Cold Creek is a new venue for 2008 Chico events...It's not that far from Albion...Check out this link for location.

    http://www.coldcreekca.ca/
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    I'm surprised that biking will be allowed in that venue. The website seems to emphasize conservation. I wonder if they will allow permanent bike trails or is this a one time event ? Mountain Equipment had a trail run(for joggers) there in August 2007 and has some pictures and map of the site. Here's the link;
    http://www.5peaks.com/schedule.asp?p=on&raceid=129
    and the map is located here; http://www.5peaks.com/maps/Map_NocTerra.pdf

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    hmmm..I thought there was supposed to be a venue up near Sudbury.

    I guess it is the preliminary schedule.

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    cold creek should be a blast. these are new trails in co-operation with the town of king who is looking after all the dirt and trees there...apparently already finished with the 'chalet' upgrades and such.

    it should also take a good chunk of the daily summer traffic off of albion....the worst part is now there are three sets of single track i can ride to...variety is so confusing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nogearshere
    cold creek should be a blast. these are new trails in co-operation with the town of king who is looking after all the dirt and trees there...apparently already finished with the 'chalet' upgrades and such.

    it should also take a good chunk of the daily summer traffic off of albion....the worst part is now there are three sets of single track i can ride to...variety is so confusing.

    I am a bit confused as to where this place is?

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    Directions purloined from the MEC 5 Peaks website;

    Cold Creek is located 3.5 Km north of the King Road on the 11th Concession and south of the 16th Sideroad Township of King.
    From Hwy 400, take King Side Road West past Nobleton, north on 11th Concession for 3.5 km.
    Hwy 401, take Hwy 427 north to Hwy 7, east on Hwy 7 to Hwy 27 north to Nobleton, King Side Road West, north on 11th Concession for 3.5 km.

    Here's the map.


    http://www.coldcreekca.ca/pages/directions.htm

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    Do you guys reckon they will add a seventh O cup, ie. provincials in September?

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    Cold Creek is listed as provincials for the time being.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jmoote
    Cold Creek is listed as provincials for the time being.
    a very ominous declaration...should an evil laugh have been included at the end?
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    What happened to Mansfield??

    Have they become another "black listed" place to host a race? A great winter adventure race has been cancelled at that venue for Jan.
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    There will only be 6 O-Cups. There is not going to be one near sudbury. Provincials is in August.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ricksom
    What happened to Mansfield??

    Have they become another "black listed" place to host a race? A great winter adventure race has been cancelled at that venue for Jan.
    There is still a Mansfield O-Cup and other races are still going on there (such as the Lifestyles of the Rich and Famous 24h in May).

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    Quote Originally Posted by nogearshere
    cold creek should be a blast. these are new trails in co-operation with the town of king who is looking after all the dirt and trees there...apparently already finished with the 'chalet' upgrades and such.

    it should also take a good chunk of the daily summer traffic off of albion....the worst part is now there are three sets of single track i can ride to...variety is so confusing.
    I live in King Township, and can attest that the Township supports MTB including racing at its Centennial Park on Jane Street (i.e. the 5th concession). I'm not aware of Township activity at Cold Creek (11th Concession).

    There are also "Cold Creeks" in Peel Region, Thunder Bay, Hastings (Town of Trent Hills), and Renfrew. Are those who are identifying King Township sure whereof they speak?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Greying_Geezer
    I live in King Township, and can attest that the Township supports MTB including racing at its Centennial Park on Jane Street (i.e. the 5th concession). I'm not aware of Township activity at Cold Creek (11th Concession).

    There are also "Cold Creeks" in Peel Region, Thunder Bay, Hastings (Town of Trent Hills), and Renfrew. Are those who are identifying King Township sure whereof they speak?
    That is interesting - I wasn't sure, but the Cold Creek near you was the first (only) to come up in my search. Another location would likely make more sense though.

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    I fired off an email to the OCA and another Web-based inquiry to the Cold Creek Stewardship group asking for clarification. I'd put my money -- well up to $5 -- on its being Centennial Park in King Township. There are MTB trails there, MTB classes run by Parks and Rec in the summer, and I believe weekly races. Never been there myself, even though it's so close.

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    1st O-cup is still at Mansfield

    Quote Originally Posted by Ricksom
    What happened to Mansfield??

    Have they become another "black listed" place to host a race? A great winter adventure race has been cancelled at that venue for Jan.
    Mansfield is still a go as far as I know for the first O-cup. They are also doing the 24 hrs Lifestyles of the Rich and Famouse race at Mansfield put on by WOW.

    FYI "Cold Creek" is the one on 11th where MEC did the Run....it is near Albion. Should be good!!! I think I will take the dog for a hike there and check it out soon in the snow!

    B/C chico is doing the Crank the Shild in September - they moved Provincals to August this year...it will be an early end to the 0-cup season..... The First pre-pre schedule I saw listed Provincials to be in London on the 11th of Aug...Cold Creek was supposed to be the 2nd o-cup....things will probably change again...I who knows??? .. At least they moved the O-cup back another week...I was thinking my leggs may be a little knackerd from Ironman USA on July 20th... I now have at least one more week to recover!!!!!

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    ironman?? ... cool...

    Quote Originally Posted by spin_cycle
    FYI "Cold Creek" is the one on 11th where MEC did the Run....it is near Albion. Should be good!!! I think I will take the dog for a hike there and check it out soon in the snow!

    I was thinking my leggs may be a little knackerd from Ironman USA on July 20th... I now have at least one more week to recover!!!!!
    hey grrrreat idea about taking dog for a hike in Cold Creek to check it out! hmm... may just do that myself...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ricksom
    What happened to Mansfield??

    Have they become another "black listed" place to host a race? A great winter adventure race has been cancelled at that venue for Jan.
    What the FAR race has been cancelled, that sucks. They were thinking they had a great location for a few years of races. And this the first year with snow far in advance of the race.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Greying_Geezer
    I fired off an email to the OCA and another Web-based inquiry to the Cold Creek Stewardship group asking for clarification. I'd put my money -- well up to $5 -- on its being Centennial Park in King Township. There are MTB trails there, MTB classes run by Parks and Rec in the summer, and I believe weekly races. Never been there myself, even though it's so close.
    it is infact the cold creek conservation area previously looked after by the trca now the town of king.

    the king trails on jane (lord love em) arent suitable for an ocup...at least not for the majority of classifications....although king was hoping to DOUBLE the size of the jane st trails in '08 with acquisition of adjacent lands...exciting times to live in bolton/king if you ride.
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    Yup, sad but true, Geoff sent me an email.

    "Hi Rick,
    Despite all the current snowfall (where has that been the last few years!?),we've decided to take a break from the winter race for a year. The search is on for a new location for 2009 with all the necessary elements- 'guaranteed' snow, a lodge with catering and character, low-cost groupaccommodations, within 2hr drive radius of TO, and minimal costs. Anysuggestions or ideas you have are more than welcome!
    Take care,
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    I was at a meeting tonight and asked the chair of the Cold Creek Stewardship Committee about mountain biking at Cold Creek, and while some plans were initiated to put in trails, that initiative has been nipped in the bud as it would be contrary to the conservation theme of the area. Only hiking trails are being developed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Greying_Geezer
    it would be contrary to the conservation theme of the area.
    Oh yes, must keep the evil bikers out. They exhale too much CO2
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    Quote Originally Posted by rkj__
    Oh yes, must keep the evil bikers out. They exhale too much CO2
    it was the vile (neighboring) home owners...mf's that they are...one of the pigs has their ugly brat in my sons class...the justice in it all?

    the twits also lost their right to use the trails for horses and xc skiing...she was quite tossed about that...i asked her if she knew about carson daily and karma...selfish cow.
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    Cold Creek off limits

    The identity, or one rider's opinion, of the person who may or may not have "blown the whistle" is irrelevant to the discussion. The real question is whether the bulldozers and backhoes were compatible with the intended use of the lands and the goals of the owner, the TRCA. I love my mountain biking, and Cold Creek is close to home, but before criticizing the decisions of the planners, biologists and ecologists at the Authority, I'd want to study their background science and rationale. The IMBA provides links to resources at http://www.imba.com/resources/science/ that throw a positive light on the physical and environmental sides of MTB'ing, but the TRCA has its mandate, and even if its planners accept that the impact of MTB'ing may be less than that of hiking, their primary consideration is not to provide recreational venues to the detriment of the environment. And whether or not one agrees that MTB'ing is relatively benign environmentally, its societal (as opposed to social) image remains tarnished.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Greying_Geezer
    The identity, or one rider's opinion, of the person who may or may not have "blown the whistle" is irrelevant to the discussion. The real question is whether the bulldozers and backhoes were compatible with the intended use of the lands and the goals of the owner, the TRCA. I love my mountain biking, and Cold Creek is close to home, but before criticizing the decisions of the planners, biologists and ecologists at the Authority, I'd want to study their background science and rationale. The IMBA provides links to resources at http://www.imba.com/resources/science/ that throw a positive light on the physical and environmental sides of MTB'ing, but the TRCA has its mandate, and even if its planners accept that the impact of MTB'ing may be less than that of hiking, their primary consideration is not to provide recreational venues to the detriment of the environment. And whether or not one agrees that MTB'ing is relatively benign environmentally, its societal (as opposed to social) image remains tarnished.
    Well then, if Chico was using bulldozers and backhoes to develop the trails - then good riddance to those trails - we already have a great rail-trail system...but that's just one riders opinion.

    You and I both know that this was not about the TRCA (planners, biologists and ecologists) evaluating and rejecting the proposal, in fact the proposal for the MTB trails and the intended usage as well as the subsequent development of those trails was well within the parameters of the agreement/lease between the township of King and the TRCA.

    The issue appears to be concerning the grading that was done, in process or necessary to bring the entrance 'road' up to standard...the buildings and structures were already in place, however, in need of some repair. Neither are necessary for the development and use of MTB trails.

    If you have direct and specific information that would demonstrate that ecological surveys, studies and or environmental data was actually collected and actually evaluated (concerning the MTB proposal) that would be very helpful...the town of King (and perhaps the IMBA) would certainly be capable of (and within their rights to) respond to this data.

    My totally biased and rhetorical involvement indicates that it was more likely a case of selfish private land owners that were concerned with the potential regulation and the quasi 'development' of their own personal extended back yards...thus the loss of other 'existing' uses.
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    I have to admit that I have extremely limited specific knowledge regarding Cold Creek, and until nogearshere's post of Dec 07, I didn't even know that the TRCA and King Township had entered into the management agreement. Even so, I'd highly doubt that any management agreement set aside the TRCA approval process, which would have placed the burden of studies and proof on the proponents. Is there any evidence whatsoever that the TRCA's decision came about because of pressure by neighbours? I've dealt with the TRCA on other matters—they're too professional to bow to that sort of nonsense.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Greying_Geezer
    The identity, or one rider's opinion, of the person who may or may not have "blown the whistle" is irrelevant to the discussion. The real question is whether the bulldozers and backhoes were compatible with the intended use of the lands and the goals of the owner, the TRCA. I love my mountain biking, and Cold Creek is close to home, but before criticizing the decisions of the planners, biologists and ecologists at the Authority, I'd want to study their background science and rationale. The IMBA provides links to resources at http://www.imba.com/resources/science/ that throw a positive light on the physical and environmental sides of MTB'ing, but the TRCA has its mandate, and even if its planners accept that the impact of MTB'ing may be less than that of hiking, their primary consideration is not to provide recreational venues to the detriment of the environment. And whether or not one agrees that MTB'ing is relatively benign environmentally, its societal (as opposed to social) image remains tarnished.
    Point taken, but this is not the Jurassic era anymore. Especially when when it comes to the TRCA. I was privy to some information as to the whereabouts of this restriction being implemented. The information I received was from someone who worked with the TRCA through the Town of King. It's a bunch of crap simply put. While we have to respect some of the landowners bordering these areas, some of them are well beyond their years in respect to having a clue about environmental impacts of hiking, mountain-biking, or horseback-riding. Not to mention that mountain-biking revenues in the GTA to the TRCA where possible are exponentially higher than that of the one in 1000 (or more) hikers or horseback riders most of us have ever seen while mountain-biking on such trails. When are some of the old-school folks going to start combining some sense of environmental concern with understanding what pays to keep these areas alive...Enough is enough!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Greying_Geezer
    I have to admit that I have extremely limited specific knowledge regarding Cold Creek, and until nogearshere's post of Dec 07, I didn't even know that the TRCA and King Township had entered into the management agreement. Even so, I'd highly doubt that any management agreement set aside the TRCA approval process, which would have placed the burden of studies and proof on the proponents. Is there any evidence whatsoever that the TRCA's decision came about because of pressure by neighbours? I've dealt with the TRCA on other matters—they're too professional to bow to that sort of nonsense.
    allow me to preface EVERYTHING i state with a...it is my direct understanding...i am not employed by the town of king nor am i a bordering resident nor am i associate with trca in anyway but i did stay at a holiday inn express...i am simply very interested in these trails. as a result of my fortune (some good and as you saw below - some bad) i am able to speak with parties that are directly involved. i also doubt that we will see clarification (on this board) from Chico or the township of King until the matter is resolved, it is currently highly sensitive and any official discussion 'outside' would certainly hurt any progress being made 'inside'.

    the management agreement was pretty clear as to the intended usage, planned usage and (of course) acceptable usage of the property - this included the resources as well as the structures. the town of king still strongly believes that they were acting in an appropriate and responsible manner in terms of this agreement and much of the work required was actually completed before the hullabaloo started. it was a small but loud group of residents that made a decision to fight allowing 'public' use of the property...afterall, they had enjoyed unfettered, essentially, private use of the land for some time...

    i BELIEVE they exposed a clause in the trca's mandate that was potentially in conflict with the management agreement allowing the (i hesitate to use the word for the negative context) 'development' of the trails. i guess it was enough to warrant further investigation and the work not completed was halted...it is also the reason that so many other users (horses, skiing) also lost access to the property.

    the project and plausibility of mtb trails at cold creek is by no means dead...but from a business perspective chico had to cut and run...they need to plan events well in advance and that sort of doubt would have, could have, left them scrambling for an alternative venue.

    i take this sort of exclusive use, not in my back yard squealing from the overly vocal minority very personally...i also feel no obligation whatsoever to justify or educate these selfish sobs about my sport/passion, just as i expect no justification from them as to how they intend to make use of the lands (within the confines of the parameters and terms of use set forth by the land owner)...to them i say, live and let live or may you get rabies trying to stop me.
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    Any Progress on the possibility of mtn biking there in the future?

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