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    O-Cup #2: Mansfield

    The second OCup is upon us!

    The course has been posted

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    Passing looks like it will be at a premium here - Four long singletrack sections might make overtaking difficult. I imagine most of it will be on the DT climb

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    Looks like a great course with some sections/directions new to the OCup.

    Even on the singletrack it's not to difficult to pass at Mansfield.

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    I am looking forward to the pre-ride on Saturday. The weather looks fantastic, even if a bit colder than expected.
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    New course is slightly shorter than last year (8.2km vs. 8.4km), but appears to have more single track and a lot more twists and turns-- should be fun! Glad to see them mix up the course a bit to keep things fresh.

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    First time racing an O-cup XC event on Sunday. This looks like it'll be a blast. Ill be pre-riding tomorrow night. Working on Sat.

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    Excited to be back at an OCUP and Mansfield. Contrary to most people, I like that opening climb and the rip roaring singletrack.

    Heading up Saturday afternoon for a few laps, then camping on site. Keep the noise down. Looking at you SHCC, well at least once I leave

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    I heard Sean built some new trail and really stepped up the tech at Mansfield this year, stoked on that because it was always a roadie course prior to that, might have a chance now!

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    Hoping to be able to sneak away for a pre-ride Saturday. Will be at in-laws up there doing a honey-do list for my wife

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    Pre-rode today. The course is a blast. Loved the "Exit wound" section and the two big climbs. Lots of fast downhill sections where you can hang it out too. Sunday is going to be awesome.

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    Unreal course, mega fun but that second climb is mega nasty - going to be a sand pit come sunday and im pumped on that! Exit Wound is going to claim some roadies, lots of crashes there for sure

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    O-Cup #2: Mansfield

    Lookin forward to it. Better conditioning then last year so the climbs won't suck as bad. Will be setting up the SHCC pit tomorrow and pre riding.
    "Go till I blow..... chunks"

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    I'm pretty glad I pre-rode the course - there are a couple of tricky sections. And the second long climb is going to kick my @ss by my third lap...
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    Quote Originally Posted by broadwayline View Post
    I heard Sean built some new trail and really stepped up the tech at Mansfield this year, stoked on that because it was always a roadie course prior to that, might have a chance now!
    confirmatory. if you want to beat roadies you better be a goat-like climber, because the opening climb tames in comparison with some climbs on this course. please bring your a-game but be prepared to lose to those same damn roadies as they usually can climb pretty good...

    new section is awesome, though i think it will be used only for 1:30pm race. it is a twisty switchback downhill with a couple of nice drops where it is possible to catch air or practice superman skills with hugging the tree in the process...

    it is a hard working course, i have not seen so much climbing in a while on any of the courses...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Unglued View Post
    I'm pretty glad I pre-rode the course - there are a couple of tricky sections. And the second long climb is going to kick my @ss by my third lap...
    you mean it is not going to kick your ass on the first and second lap?

    you animal you....
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    Quote Originally Posted by serious View Post
    I am looking forward to the pre-ride on Saturday. The weather looks fantastic, even if a bit colder than expected.
    really? you expected warmer weather?

    you have me concerned now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by osokolo View Post
    you mean it is not going to kick your ass on the first and second lap?

    you animal you....
    Well I do have a bike with gears this year, Oggster...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Unglued View Post
    Well I do have a bike with gears this year, Oggster...
    lol, gears or no gears, the mofo climb will kick some serious ass every lap. i much prefer going down that section... it just never ends going up...
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    Just got back from pre-riding. The course is not as single speed friendly as I expected due to a couple of long, grinding climbs. Some walking will be inevitable. But it is a great course just the same.

    Exit wound was fun, but if you get stuck behind somebody who hesitates or crashes, it will be a "long exit".
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    Quote Originally Posted by osokolo View Post
    new section is awesome, though i think it will be used only for 1:30pm race. it is a twisty switchback downhill with a couple of nice drops where it is possible to catch air or practice superman skills with hugging the tree in the process...
    I think everyone will do the twisty switchback. I saw no 1:30 option anywhere, but then I was not exactly paying attention either. Anyway, exit wound has to be enjoyed thoroughly, since the climbs that come after are going to be nasty.
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    O-Cup #2: Mansfield

    I pity anyone that doesn't pre ride this course. Tons of climbing and the new downhill is fun but sketchy.
    "Go till I blow..... chunks"

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    There is a 1.30 line somewhere in the middle of the switchbacks; it is steep straight line with a couple of drops in it.....

    It was really hard to spot because the switchbacks required full attention...

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    Quote Originally Posted by want to ride View Post
    There is a 1.30 line somewhere in the middle of the switchbacks; it is steep straight line with a couple of drops in it.....

    It was really hard to spot because the switchbacks required full attention...
    Now that i think about it i did see a split closer to the end of the switchbacks. I just followed the sign for 11:45, but I suppose the straight option must have been for 1:30. Oh well, I don't need to experience it, so no worries for me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by misconceptionz View Post
    I pity anyone that doesn't pre ride this course. Tons of climbing and the new downhill is fun but sketchy.
    just don't ride behind them, or leave enough space so that you can go around if needed...
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    Wow, pre rode,tough climbs, a whole lot tougher than Woodnewton was. This is going to hurt.

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    I remember "riding" Exit Wound as a youngin and was happy that it was not as bad as I remembered it. The 2nd climb on the other hand..... Tomorrow is going to hurt, in a good way

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    Pretty solid all around course. Lots of different elements, including steep, long ups, and steep technical downs, something you don't normally see at a Mansfield OCUP.

    My race report. Ended up getting my chain caught between my cassette and my spokes on the grueling climb on the first lap. I was kinda flustered and it took me a while to fix. To the back of the entire field and the next couple waves I went. Spend most of the race just working my way back through the fields. Had a couple more chain drops at very bad times on that climb on the 2nd and 4th laps, causing me to pass more people. Oh well, I felt good and finished off strong. Lap 3 was good!

    Exit wound was awesome. Had lots of friends there to cheer me on, so that last drop got launched a little further each time.

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    What class where you in CPT? I saw probably 3-4 people drop/snap chains today in my 11:45 start.....

    I learnt that its best not to hammer the first climb at Mansfield, especially not while your caught in the sand. Red-lined real fast and I spent the first lap trying to recover from it and thankfully did. Felt good to get on the box today.

    The course was a blast and Im looking forward to Sir Sams. Hopefully its similar to the DH O-cup race towards the end end of the season

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    Quote Originally Posted by Smoke_Eater112 View Post
    What class where you in CPT? I saw probably 3-4 people drop/snap chains today in my 11:45 start.....

    I learnt that its best not to hammer the first climb at Mansfield, especially not while your caught in the sand. Red-lined real fast and I spent the first lap trying to recover from it and thankfully did. Felt good to get on the box today.

    The course was a blast and Im looking forward to Sir Sams. Hopefully its similar to the DH O-cup race towards the end end of the season
    1:30. I saw a couple people as well.

    First big one was totally random (over the cassette). Never happened on this bike. The couple chain drops after that, one was a stupid downshift under heavy load, the other....well I guess I need some limit screw adjustments.

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    Oh yeah, the Mansfield cough is in full effect.

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    I had a good race (6th in single speed), but the climbs were brutal. I had some problems with the dust on my first lap when I kept choking on something in my throat. It was freaking embarrassing, especially with riders behind me having to listen to all that. I deeply apologize for all that hacking.

    I found the technical aspects of the course just right, with exit wound making it a bit more technical than past Mansfield Ocups. I guess the climbs were technical too (in addition to brutal), but when you walk the worst sections, it makes no difference.
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    Well, this was a usual Mansfield experience for me...One of those that hands you a dose of perspective from time to time. I pre-rode yesterday and was pretty impressive with the course. I am not sure I would have such a glowing review today, but that's more due to my performance and lack of front brakes than the great job Sean and his team did putting it together.

    During the preride yesterday, my front brakes were a little on the squishy side, and I figured that it would be okay today and wouldn't hinder my overall results. Well, between that and the hills, it was ugly. I descend well, usually, but today was a balance of measuring speed to ensure the rear brakes would get me slowed down without causing a first aid issue by going off course. I had to engage the lever fully to the bar just to get 10-15% pressure on the front. Pure suckage I realized pretty quickly.

    Then there was the hills...I have never liked the start climb, but it didn't kill me today as much as in the past. Not the two back to back after Exit Wound, which was a blast even with limited brakes, are another story. The pitch on them was a total b!tch. Especially for a dude with a back that get's pretty sore riding that hunched over. By the third time through it was a pain train with the only motivating thought being that it was only once more and it was over. And that at the top there was relief with a long, flat, and eventual downhill doubletrack section coming up.

    Overall, it was a tough race and one that I wish I had front brakes for, but there was no fixing that on short notice. Not sure where having them would have put me if anywhere different, but going from 9th at Woodnewton to DFL wasn't what I had in mind. Just a little motivation for the next round at Sir Sam's. Which if you haven't ridden at, is well worth the trip. It's not a DH course by any stretch with how they will lay it out having ridden it at CTS twice. But there is some really good climbs rewarded with awesome descending and technical bits. Looking forward to seeing man smiling faces there in a couple of weeks!
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    Sad i missed mansfield, as its the closest to mytown. Lastyearwas my first race ever amd it was a nit of a blur. I was hoping to race it this year under calmer conditions lol.

    Daughter had her first gymnastics comp today so it was worth the miss.

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    Sick race! Got 2nd and a spot on the podium, had some fun bar to bar battles on the downhill at the end.

    Have a nasty cough now however.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mtbmeister View Post
    Well, this was a usual Mansfield experience for me...One of those that hands you a dose of perspective from time to time. I pre-rode yesterday and was pretty impressive with the course. I am not sure I would have such a glowing review today, but that's more due to my performance and lack of front brakes than the great job Sean and his team did putting it together.
    During the preride yesterday, my front brakes were a little on the squishy side, and I figured that it would be okay today and wouldn't hinder my overall results. Well, between that and the hills, it was ugly. I descend well, usually, but today was a balance of measuring speed to ensure the rear brakes would get me slowed down without causing a first aid issue by going off course. I had to engage the lever fully to the bar just to get 10-15% pressure on the front. Pure suckage I realized pretty quickly.

    Then there was the hills...I have never liked the start climb, but it didn't kill me today as much as in the past. Not the two back to back after Exit Wound, which was a blast even with limited brakes, are another story. The pitch on them was a total b!tch. Especially for a dude with a back that get's pretty sore riding that hunched over. By the third time through it was a pain train with the only motivating thought being that it was only once more and it was over. And that at the top there was relief with a long, flat, and eventual downhill doubletrack section coming up.

    Overall, it was a tough race and one that I wish I had front brakes for, but there was no fixing that on short notice. Not sure where having them would have put me if anywhere different, but going from 9th at Woodnewton to DFL wasn't what I had in mind. Just a little motivation for the next round at Sir Sam's. Which if you haven't ridden at, is well worth the trip. It's not a DH course by any stretch with how they will lay it out having ridden it at CTS twice. But there is some really good climbs rewarded with awesome descending and technical bits. Looking forward to seeing man smiling faces there in a couple of weeks!
    Sounds like a real character building day on the bike!!!
    Kudos to you not quitting and dealing with a mechanical through the whole race!!!

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    Awesome day on the bike

    First O-Cup at Mansfield and it was an A+ experience...
    I had no mechanical issues with the bike,legs felt good even in the 3rd lap and I pulled pretty consistent laps for the first time in my short "racing carrier"....
    But the highlight of the day was to see my wife walking around and feeding me 5 months after her Femural Nerve Damage!!!
    She is amazing and I can't be thankful enough to have her on my side!!!!O-Cup #2: Mansfield-img_0732-copy.jpg
    Ohhhh and the Kronenbourg 1664 Blanc felt really really good when we got home!!!!
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    I came really close to not preriding this course - ie "it's Mansfield, it's a total roadie course, and besides I did 12 laps 2 weeks ago at the Epic 8". It's a good thing I did pre-ride. It was a super-fun but challenging course with a bit of everything. I didn't exactly set the world on fire with my result, but it was a lot better than I would have done even last season - the training etc is starting to pay off. Besides, I rode the course pretty well, didn't blow any lines, and caught a number of people on the climbs. And met my usual goal of not crashing, puking, or coming DFL. Stuck around to watch the afternoon race and feed our very own Osokolo. All in all a good day on the bike...
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    Nice work Barry...I decided to take over the DFL spot in this one for you!
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    Quote Originally Posted by want to ride View Post
    First O-Cup at Mansfield and it was an A+ experience...
    I had no mechanical issues with the bike,legs felt good even in the 3rd lap and I pulled pretty consistent laps for the first time in my short "racing carrier"....
    But the highlight of the day was to see my wife walking around and feeding me 5 months after her Femural Nerve Damage!!!
    She is amazing and I can't be thankful enough to have her on my side!!!!Click image for larger version. 

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    Quote Originally Posted by mtbmeister View Post
    Nice work Barry...I decided to take over the DFL spot in this one for you!
    But just to keep things in perspective you were in last place against the 30 fastest riders in the province in your age category (and mine). Still ain't too shabby. Even getting to expert is an achievement in itself. And one day soon I hope to be there to make sure the worst you can do is second last
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    nice going broadwayline

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    Quote Originally Posted by Unglued View Post
    But just to keep things in perspective you were in last place against the 30 fastest riders in the province in your age category (and mine). Still ain't too shabby. Even getting to expert is an achievement in itself. And one day soon I hope to be there to make sure the worst you can do is second last
    I agree with Barry! That category was fast. and speaking of Barry, you did great man, that is a solid time for such a tough course. I see improvement there, so now we don't want you back in singlespeed.
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    I was on the other side of the ropes yesterday completing my second Tech Assistant gig on my way to full-fledged commissarie glory. Got a ‘behind the scenes’ look at how the event is run a look at what has to be the most complicated timing system in the world. It might have been a difficult day if the organizers and their staff weren’t so great at their rolls.

    Spent about half the day in the feedzone yelling at people who though it was ok for a small child or dog to be there. But since I was still in training I wasn’t able to blow my whistle to alert feeders/spectators the riders were coming. Next time though, next time. I’ll be practicing. Spent some time with timing (a lively bunch) and helped riders sort out their results. I even got to use my radio to call in a DNF and I got to move the tape to stage riders in the start pen.

    The biggest issue of the day was a horse on course. The leaders of the singlespeed cat. encountered the beast as it was running towards them on the singletrack.

    I would also like to add…
    1.Congrats to Want to Ride on the great result. I saw you motoring out there, well done.
    2.Thanks Superfly for increasing the difficulty of the course. Tougher courses will make us all better racers.
    3.Please don’t throw your gel packs on the ground. Yes I’m looking at you ‘unnamed racer from MTBR’

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    Quote Originally Posted by thedumbopinion View Post
    3.Please don’t throw your gel packs on the ground. Yes I’m looking at you ‘unnamed racer from MTBR’
    Boo, bad form!

    That's a personal pet peeve of mine when I'm officiating. I love writing people up for littering... kinda.
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    Quote Originally Posted by thedumbopinion View Post
    I was on the other side of the ropes yesterday completing my second Tech Assistant gig on my way to full-fledged commissarie glory. Got a ‘behind the scenes’ look at how the event is run a look at what has to be the most complicated timing system in the world. It might have been a difficult day if the organizers and their staff weren’t so great at their rolls.

    Spent about half the day in the feedzone yelling at people who though it was ok for a small child or dog to be there. But since I was still in training I wasn’t able to blow my whistle to alert feeders/spectators the riders were coming. Next time though, next time. I’ll be practicing. Spent some time with timing (a lively bunch) and helped riders sort out their results. I even got to use my radio to call in a DNF and I got to move the tape to stage riders in the start pen.

    The biggest issue of the day was a horse on course. The leaders of the singlespeed cat. encountered the beast as it was running towards them on the singletrack.

    I would also like to add…
    1.Congrats to Want to Ride on the great result. I saw you motoring out there, well done.
    2.Thanks Superfly for increasing the difficulty of the course. Tougher courses will make us all better racers.
    3.Please don’t throw your gel packs on the ground. Yes I’m looking at you ‘unnamed racer from MTBR’
    thank you for your help and good advice. i thought that the officials and staff did a superb job. event was going as smooth as it gets and Superflyracing new addition to the trail system at Mansfield (Exit Wound) was awesome... way to challenge the riders as well as provide an excellent viewing area for spectators. Cheering and occasional friendly heckling was awesome.

    Climbs were brutal, but as mentioned before - tougher courses will challenge us more to become better riders. I was happy to see no ride-around for the 1:30 pm technical section.

    Big thanks to Unglued for feeding me during the race. It is nice to have support from fellow riders. Congrats to everyone that showed up at Mansfield. It was a great day for biking and chewing fat with friends...

    Good bye Mansfield, hello Sir Sam's.
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    Quote Originally Posted by thedumbopinion View Post
    3.Please don’t throw your gel packs on the ground. Yes I’m looking at you ‘unnamed racer from MTBR’
    Blech...

    For an event our club does I usually take on the role of final check and collection of the entire for any stray course tape, markings and litter.

    Although simple math tells me it's only an extremely small minority that does this, I am stupefied to think that one or more participants thinks their entry fee includes the privilege of having the race crew painstakingly check for and collect their used gel wrappers (have to ride all very slowly to make sure I don't miss anything). As the event organizers we make a promise to try our best to leave the site as we found it so the final responsibility is ours, but it sure would be nice if the participants would do their part to make that work.

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    O-Cup #2: Mansfield

    I am guilty of throwing a gel wrapper, but it was in the feed zone (ok that is a poor excuse). I did not see any trash can, but my aim may not have been good enough for a trash either.

    I do apologize. Normally I carry the gel bottle, but forgot it home this time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by serious View Post
    I am guilty of throwing a gel wrapper, but it was in the feed zone (ok that is a poor excuse).
    I picked it up for you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by serious View Post
    I am guilty of throwing a gel wrapper, but it was in the feed zone (ok that is a poor excuse). I did not see any trash can, but my aim may not have been good enough for a trash either.

    I do apologize. Normally I carry the gel bottle, but forgot it home this time.
    i would suspect that throwing a gel wrapper in the feed zone is not an offense - is it?

    i don't use gels during the race, so i would not know.
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    Quote Originally Posted by osokolo View Post
    i would suspect that throwing a gel wrapper in the feed zone is not an offense - is it?

    i don't use gels during the race, so i would not know.
    I would suspect it isn't an offense if you throw it to the person who is feeding you and they pick it up promptly. Otherwise, I'm not sure it's an offense or not, but it is still littering. Who's going to pick it up after all?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nerdgirl View Post
    I would suspect it isn't an offense if you throw it to the person who is feeding you and they pick it up promptly. Otherwise, I'm not sure it's an offense or not, but it is still littering. Who's going to pick it up after all?
    Seriously - feed zone?? Is for feeding and is usually easily accessible and close to start/finish where cleaning is easy. I thought it was acceptable to drop gel packs there only. Makes sense to me.

    Who will clean it? The organizer, though I am sure that most of the garbage is cleaned up by support crews.

    Is this wrong?
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    Quote Originally Posted by osokolo View Post
    Who will clean it? The organizer

    Is this wrong?
    An organizer has many responsibilities related to running an event, some more fun than others. Being responsible for discarded gel wrappers that are typically extremely "sloobery" due to the mode of use shouldn't be one of those responsibilities IMHO. Total bio hazard! Even with gloves on it's pretty nasty.

    If it came out of your pocket, put it back in your pocket. Any stickiness easily washes out of jerseys. I've had some people express that it's icky to have a pocket of sticky wrappers to clean, but then they expect someone else to do the same on their behalf!?

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    Quote Originally Posted by thedumbopinion View Post
    I would also like to add…
    1.Congrats to Want to Ride on the great result. I saw you motoring out there, well done.
    Thanks a lot! I was looking for you at the start line to apologize in person too, but I didn't find you; now I know why... I felt really really bad about what happened at Woodnewton since then......
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    Quote Originally Posted by Circlip View Post
    An organizer has many responsibilities related to running an event, some more fun than others. Being responsible for discarded gel wrappers that are typically extremely "sloobery" due to the mode of use shouldn't be one of those responsibilities IMHO. Total bio hazard! Even with gloves on it's pretty nasty.

    If it came out of your pocket, put it back in your pocket. Any stickiness easily washes out of jerseys. I've had some people express that it's icky to have a pocket of sticky wrappers to clean, but then they expect someone else to do the same on their behalf!?
    Not sure if I would agree.

    At few 24 hours races - there were designated "gel drop zone" areas - with signs.

    I would think that "feed zone" is the same.

    I personally do not leave anything behind me, even on Donut rides, let alone in the woods. Gel wrappers to back in my pocket, as my riding gear is for one time use and then wash - cycle anyway. Not worth the germ risk any other way.
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    Quote Originally Posted by osokolo View Post
    At few 24 hours races - there were designated "gel drop zone" areas - with signs.
    You know what they say about there being an exception to every rule. ;-)

    Anyhow, It's not a question of rules the way I see it, it's more courtesy that I'm speaking of. Unless they really invite it (with a specific sign, and probably not even then) I don't expect people to pick up my yucky crap.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Circlip View Post
    You know what they say about there being an exception to every rule. ;-)

    Anyhow, It's not a question of rules the way I see it, it's more courtesy that I'm speaking of. Unless they really invite it (with a specific sign, and probably not even then) I don't expect people to pick up my yucky crap.
    Even at nominal fee of $57 per race?

    Instead watch WC next time and see how they do it. That reach to put the wrapper behind must be worth 3.45 watts, which may be the difference between the gold and the 4th place.
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    Quote Originally Posted by osokolo View Post
    Even at nominal fee of $57 per race?
    Many races are put on by clubs at virtually no profit. Regardless of what the entry fee, I'm not going to expect volunteers to pick up my crap. Others are professional race promoters who are acquaintances or friends. I'm not going to ask them to pick up my crap, even though I hope they're making a buck or two. Neither am I going to essentially ask them to ask someone else (maybe a volunteer, maybe paid staff) to pick up my crap. It's easy for me to take care of it myself. If they're paying staff to do it, I'd rather that paid wage go toward something that enhances my event experience more than having my crap picked up.

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    Thanks thedumbopinion for picking it up and again, I do apologize for doing it. As osokolo mentioned, in many 8/24 hour races there are designated areas where one could throw the gel wrapper, so I just assumed I can do it.

    BTW, the main reason I switched to the little gel bottle is because I did not want to add to the cleanup task.
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    I guess they didn't make it tough enough. Even a roadie was hitting everything in stride.

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    I suspect the litter zones were implemented in 24hr races due to the number of people just tossing them to the trail side.

    If you can't get them to stop tossing them to the trail side you might as well attempt to contain the mess into specific zones.

    Local Nimby Fifty race was Saturday, seems many people are taping the gel packs to their top tubes, I saw many a un-used gel pack on the trail that must have not been taped well. News flash, you are not saving any time by taping it to the top tube, I happened to be parked next to the race winner in the parking lot, he didn't have any taped to his top tube so obviously it didn't slow him down any to reach into his jersey pocket.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Circlip View Post
    Many races are put on by clubs at virtually no profit. Regardless of what the entry fee, I'm not going to expect volunteers to pick up my crap. Others are professional race promoters who are acquaintances or friends. I'm not going to ask them to pick up my crap, even though I hope they're making a buck or two. Neither am I going to essentially ask them to ask someone else (maybe a volunteer, maybe paid staff) to pick up my crap. It's easy for me to take care of it myself. If they're paying staff to do it, I'd rather that paid wage go toward something that enhances my event experience more than having my crap picked up.
    That is why 24 hour racers have staff.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CptSydor View Post
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    I guess they didn't make it tough enough. Even a roadie was hitting everything in stride.
    Be careful the course setter maybe reading that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shirk View Post
    seems many people are taping the gel packs to their top tubes, I saw many a un-used gel pack on the trail that must have not been taped well. News flash, you are not saving any time by taping it to the top tube, I happened to be parked next to the race winner in the parking lot, he didn't have any taped to his top tube so obviously it didn't slow him down any to reach into his jersey pocket.
    I disagree entirely here as I would find it hard to believe anyone can reach into the back pocket, rip the portion off the top with there teeth and consume faster than taking a hand off the bars and ripping them off the top tube. I don't use gels in OCUPs, but have taped them many times to the top tube in longer 50+ kilometer races for convenience and found it to be much better than stashing them in the pocket.

    I think your winner in question's victory had nothing to due with where he was storing his gels during the race. That doesn't win or lose races, really...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Circlip View Post
    Many races are put on by clubs at virtually no profit. Regardless of what the entry fee, I'm not going to expect volunteers to pick up my crap. Others are professional race promoters who are acquaintances or friends. I'm not going to ask them to pick up my crap, even though I hope they're making a buck or two. Neither am I going to essentially ask them to ask someone else (maybe a volunteer, maybe paid staff) to pick up my crap. It's easy for me to take care of it myself. If they're paying staff to do it, I'd rather that paid wage go toward something that enhances my event experience more than having my crap picked up.
    Well, thank you for sharing your opinion. I do believe that designated feed zone should be fine to drop the gel wrap. That is my opinion. If the race organizer says NO, I'd obey by it, of course. I am yet to see such rule for O-Cup - and would appreciate "enlightening".

    Dropping any kind of garbage anywhere on the trail though - is a result of a serious character flaw and should not happen.

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    Wow, great video, thanks for sharing broadwaylin.

    And Osokolo, thanks for that post, it makes me feel a bit better, although I shall regret throwing that gel wrap for a while.
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    O-Cup #2: Mansfield

    I have to agree with Oggie here. What is a feed zone for? Just a bottle exchange only? And your supposed to be worried about your litter in a feed zone which could be a varying degree of food options.

    Bananas are a good snack for some. Is the banana peel to be put in the jersey? I think not. Let's be realistic here folks. A feed zone is just that. So while we try no to litter, this is the area where some acceptance should be granted. Being a slob elsewhere on the course is totally unacceptable. All of this being said, if a promoter is to have a feed zone, they should be prepared to pick up some gel packs. It is a dirty part of the job unfortunately.


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    Quote Originally Posted by want to ride View Post
    Thanks a lot! I was looking for you at the start line to apologize in person too, but I didn't find you; now I know why... I felt really really bad about what happened at Woodnewton since then......
    Hope to see you at Sir Sam's!!!!
    Oh please. An apology is unnecessary. Racing is racing.
    I'll be at Sir Sams but I'm leaning towards Singlespeed. We'll see.

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    just to clarify the garbage issue:

    -private property/tract/conservation lands -have to follow the by-laws of the municipality unless an exemption has been granted

    -tract/conservation lands will also have their own policies as an authority with regards to this and it is up to the manager/representative to enforce it based on the contract of use. this could be just a verbal hey clean it up or fines/billing to clean it up, etc... lots of variabilities here.

    my mandate is that the area has to be left in the same condition or better by any event.




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    Many races are put on by clubs at virtually no profit. Regardless of what the entry fee, I'm not going to expect volunteers to pick up my crap. Others are professional race promoters who are acquaintances or friends. I'm not going to ask them to pick up my crap, even though I hope they're making a buck or two. Neither am I going to essentially ask them to ask someone else (maybe a volunteer, maybe paid staff) to pick up my crap. It's easy for me to take care of it myself. If they're paying staff to do it, I'd rather that paid wage go toward something that enhances my event experience more than having my crap picked up.
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    Regarding the rule book, there is nothing specific as to what is or isn't littering nor are designated disposal areas mentioned.

    Watching the worldcups I notice riders only feed on the start/finish stretch or feedzone (probably due to time) so that's where they are tossing their waste. Watching Le Tour guys are hucking bottles and whatever else into any given farmer field.

    I think we can all agree that if you are the race organizer you are responsible for picking up all of the trash left behind. If you are a rider you are responsible for of your waste and making sure it gets put in the right locations (your pocket, drop box).

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    Why is everyone using single-use gel packages in an endurance race anyways?

    They're the sports-nutrition-equivalent of those feeble little packages of ketchup at Harvey's.

    With a gel flask I can get take a gulp of any size and have it back in my pocket before I can start to fight with opening a single-use pack, and it generates no garbage at all.

    Plus the per-serving cost is about 1/3 as much.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ghettocruiser View Post
    Why is everyone using single-use gel packages in an endurance race anyways?

    They're the sports-nutrition-equivalent of those feeble little packages of ketchup at Harvey's.

    With a gel flask I can get take a gulp of any size and have it back in my pocket before I can start to fight with opening a single-use pack, and it generates no garbage at all.

    Plus the per-serving cost is about 1/3 as much.
    Agree here. I started using flasks this year (had played with them previously) and they are much better. Mix with a little water to make them flow super easy and it's much better than a single serve.

    Here's my opinion on the rest of it. When I am out, not matter what I am doing, my goal is to leave as little trace as possible. At worst some tire marks, at best nothing.

    If I can carry the goods in, I can carry them out. If someone is handing them to me, then I expect them to pick them up for me. I don't see any need to be leaving something behind. This is just personal preference. Even if an organizer says they will clean up an area, I doubt I would drop anything.

    On the contrary, I do expect a race organizer to clean up after my tire marks. So take my fickleness as you wish (I can see how there are shades of grey between the two areas)

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