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    Cool-blue Rhythm Misconceptions on weight , let's talk

    I have heard so many times over the years that instead of worring about how light your bike is , just loose a few pounds on your butt. Or take a nice poop before you ride...
    Although it is important to be in good shape. And clean your bowels, but there is no substitude for a light bike.
    So where and what to shave is the key to a great A M . Ride so post the best place you shaved that weight and why


    I,ll start
    for a mere 60 dollars I droped almost half a pound by going with stand no tubes
    Stains tape 20 dollars Stans liquid 30 dollars. 2 valves 10 dollars 230 grams off rolling weight priceless

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    You know what ?

    My FR bike could be 20lbs, it would still suck to climb it... My trail bike is 36 and I feel it like I'm climbing on a 25...

    It's all about geometry and rotational weight... And honestly, you carrying water, like 3 liters can add 3kgs to your ride... You understand it better now ?

    Having a light bike is nice when you have to carry to lift, but otherwise, a few pounds doesn't make that much difference, unless you are racing an epic or greater...

    But it's all about how the weight is setup and geometry. And fit.

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    And btw, sorry to turn your thread down like that... More of an redirection then a real shut down.

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    topless. that's what all mtb girls do. we go ride, get topless, have pillow fights in the woods, scissor, then ride home!

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    I saved 3lb off my bike by getting rid of superfluous cr@p like gears and suspension.
    Strava made me do it....

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    Light wheels and tyres made the biggest difference with my spesh enduro. I also got light bars, carbon seatpost, light saddle and lighter crankset. The bike is massively lighter now and rides much better but it was the wheels and tyres that gave the biggest improvement.

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    I had my trail bike down to 22.25 pounds before making the switch to 650 B wheels (but thats another story) and I can honestly say I felt an improvement with every .5 of a pound I knocked off. I did the bike diet over a season and kept creaping it down as much as I could without compromising the bike. I started it out at 24.75. The most noticable change was when knokced just shy of a pound of rubber of the tires when I switched to Schwalbe Rocket Rons.

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    Imagine if your trail bike was 26 lb and then tell me if it feels the same
    There is no misconception dude ,,,, I have taken the exact same two bikes mine and my brothers ( both turner 5 spots 05. Both same identical geo. ) 3 lb apart and the lighter bike rides superior to the heavier bike. Climbs better turned better jumped and dropped much better. This is a fact. Add five pounds to your pack and you won't feel any difference, add 5 pounds to your bike and you will notice a world of difference.

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    Quote Originally Posted by the bob View Post
    Imagine if your trail bike was 26 lb and then tell me if it feels the same
    There is no misconception dude ,,,, I have taken the exact same two bikes mine and my brothers ( both turner 5 spots 05. Both same identical geo. ) 3 lb apart and the lighter bike rides superior to the heavier bike. Climbs better turned better jumped and dropped much better. This is a fact.
    Light bikes are great, of course.

    However, can we agree that lighter is not always better? If function and durability for the intended purpose were equal between 2 parts, then you'd always choose the lighter part (assuming cost is no object). However, often there's some compromise in durability and function. To some riders those compromises may not be relevant (e.g. parts still sufficiently durable enough for rider weight, trail choice, riding style, and riding frequency)

    Keep in mind that I'm coming at this from the perspective of having a full-on XC race rig, good knowledge of all the trick parts available on the market, and a generous budget to set up my bike any way I choose.

    Quote Originally Posted by the bob View Post
    Add five pounds to your pack and you won't feel any difference, add 5 pounds to your bike and you will notice a world of difference.
    Sounds good in theory, but there's exceptions to every rule. My back and neck are sketchy (injuries from other sports) and it's important for me to keep as much weight on my bike and off my body such as water, tools, etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by the bob View Post
    Imagine if your trail bike was 26 lb and then tell me if it feels the same
    There is no misconception dude ,,,, I have taken the exact same two bikes mine and my brothers ( both turner 5 spots 05. Both same identical geo. ) 3 lb apart and the lighter bike rides superior to the heavier bike. Climbs better turned better jumped and dropped much better. This is a fact. Add five pounds to your pack and you won't feel any difference, add 5 pounds to your bike and you will notice a world of difference.
    I also have a 26 lbs trail bike, but unless you wanna ride for a full day, 5 pounds won't made that much difference... Unless your fat and lazy...

    Lighter bike can handle better, but the geometry is key. And rotational weight of the wheels really make the cut. It's stupid to spend hundreds on lighter parts to save only hundreds grams, when lighter wheel and faster tires really make the difference...

    Climbing the mountain on a 38lbs freeride is really what got me fit... Not doing it on a crazy a$$ light bike... Unless you are making way more money then me (probably in fact), I don't consider spending crazy to get a lighter drive train and brakes or suspension.

    If you are building, it's ok, but if you are upgrading only for the weight saving, then you have some serious budget IMHO.

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    topless. that's what all mtb girls do. we go ride, get topless, have pillow fights in the woods, scissor, then ride home!

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    Quote Originally Posted by the bob View Post
    Add five pounds to your pack and you won't feel any difference, add 5 pounds to your bike and you will notice a world of difference.
    I played mule at last year's Anti-Race and carried a 2-4 of cans and 750mL bottle of Jagermeister in my pack and can say for a fact that riding with that much extra weight on your back sucks on a long ride.

    Thankfully, the cargo got lighter as the ride went on and it had the added benefit of easing the pain.
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    I respect all thoughts on the subject but I think some ware down the line the topic got lost.
    This thread is about how people lost the weight , the methods and the tricks, Not to discuss weather it is a good idea or not. So let's focus on the subject and learn a few things about it.

    So here is another nice product , twenty6. Pedals picked one up the other day of pink bike at 260 grams for the pair . They were fantastic great grip looked very cool and can save up to 200 grams off your A M bike 240 dollars new. Kind of steep but 1/2 a pound is not bad.

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    Quote Originally Posted by the bob View Post
    I respect all thoughts on the subject but I think some ware down the line the topic got lost.
    This thread is about how people lost the weight , the methods and the tricks, Not to discuss weather it is a good idea or not. So let's focus on the subject and learn a few things about it.

    So here is another nice product , twenty6. Pedals picked one up the other day of pink bike at 260 grams for the pair . They were fantastic great grip looked very cool and can save up to 200 grams off your A M bike 240 dollars new. Kind of steep but 1/2 a pound is not bad.
    Then back on topic.

    Lightest seat post I could find was the Race Face Deus at 240g for 400mm and 27.2mm... And I bought it new off eBay for $20 plus $7 shipping...

    Even carbon wrapped seat post were heavier...

    And I always do my little peepee before going out for a ride
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    LIttle tid bits of value and strength in light weight.

    Old LX hollow tech II cranks
    Truvativ AKA stem
    IRD Thumbshifters
    Alex rims
    Shimano XT (latest generation) hubs
    Shimano 520 clipless pedals

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    Quote Originally Posted by Unglued View Post
    I saved 3lb off my bike by getting rid of superfluous cr@p like gears and suspension.
    I just built a single speed bike with a carbon rigid fork that is 10lbs lighter than my FS 29er.. Losing the gears and heavy suspension saved quite a bit for me!

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    Unlike this abomination, all cables & hoses on my bike are cut to the shortest possible length for clean routing and minimal weight.
    Cost? Free. And the bike works better too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by the bob View Post
    there is no substitude for a light bike.
    So where and what to shave is the key to a great A M .
    This topic seems awfully familiar.

    Quote Originally Posted by the bob View Post
    I respect all thoughts on the subject but I think some ware down the line the topic got lost.
    This thread is about how people lost the weight , the methods and the tricks, Not to discuss weather it is a good idea or not. So let's focus on the subject and learn a few things about it..
    I sympathize with your desire to keep a thread on topic. But if you start a thread by stating as fact an opinion that is the subject of ongoing debate, it is inevitable someone will ask if it is really true. Had you started the thread by simply asking folks how they'd reduced he weight of their bikes, there would be nothing to argue about

    Now to answer your question. First, I shortened my hoses. I even removed the remote lockout cable, since I like it rough. I have a Ti bottom bracket and lightweight rotors from Formula. But the biggest after-market weight savings on my bike has probably been in the tires.

    It can be messy to set up, but running lightweight non-UST tires tubelessly saves weight. I don't know if losing the tube is a win against the weight of the sealant, tape, and cores (you seem to think so, but my scale disagrees). However, with a narrower tire like 2.1 or 1.9, going tubeless feels like I'm getting the traction of a 2.35 using a smaller, lighter tire.
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    For me, I wouldn't shave one single gram off of the bike if it will make is loose any stiffness. I had a lightweight XC ride, and I hated it. I'm faster and more comfortable on a heavy dirt jump frame.

    Now, if the thing isn't going to add to flex and drops weight, too, I'm all for it. Probably the best upgrade is a good, lightweight set of tires. The lighter tires usually have lower rolling resistance, too, so you win twice.

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    For me having a lighter bike absolutly makes a diference even on shorter sprint type rides. My lap times got faster as my bike got lighter. For the seat post there are a few sub 200 gram posts out there. Ritchey wcs one bolt or superlogic carbon, crank brothers cobalt 11 and easton EC 90 to name a few. If you are trying to realy push the wheight down as low as possible you need to concider every gram. I switched all of my bolts to ti, Some headsets are not very light (king) and some are very light (crank bros and loaded) even grips are good cheap place to look. You can get foam grips that feel great and are only 12 to 15 grams for the set for under 20 bucks. Like I mention before Tires are a big one but things like stems ( Rotor sx3 89 grams) and sadles (lots in the 120 to 140 gram range) often get over looked. The high end cassettes like Sram XX and pg999 are a great way to save weight but are not cheap.

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    Good stuff now we are rolling but let's talk specific . Now for the next one I switched from the old fait full Kendal navigates to swalbee nobly nicks. Saved 220 grams per tire without sacrificing performance
    2 years on the nobly nicks and still going strong. So the 2,25 nicks a great way to shave a pound and they roll great and grip even better.
    Cheers.

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    Okay I'll bite.

    Weight weenism tends to be expensive.

    The other consideration one has to be wary of is where on the bike you look to cut the weight. Some areas can be dangerous when you go to light. Or if you go to light you start breaking stuff.

    Another consideration when it comes to this is your riding region. For where most here ride they can go much lighter then say a guy in BC. Simple reality is that there is less of a hike out when stuff fails. If you go to light with parts in BC and it fails way up in the Callahan Valley.... long walk home with bears and Mountain Lions.

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    That's why we are talking here in the east Endura . Out here there is no bears and lions.
    Now here is another nice product that we tried and did not fail. Stan's alpine rims on a all mountain bike at 330 to 340 grams these rims are near carbon weight and are tough as nails. Two years on the Olympic and. Year with the alpines and they are still tru and good as new. I weigh 200 lb. And I have droped 6 to 7 footers blasted through rock gardens and have plowed down a few downhill runs with these and they are still going.
    Now don't get me wrong do not throw these things on your DH rig but for a nice AM wheel they work great. Cost 120 dollars each 200 grams less the a pair of 721s

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    This is good info so far things that I will pick up for one a rotar stem 89 grams. That is 100 grams less then my Thompson

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    Probably the cheapest weight saving I've made was switching to Eggbeaters, plus they're great in mud. (it was nearly a pound at the time)

    I don't know if it's the lightest post out there, but I've been really happy with my Syntace carbon one. I really like the clamp design as it delivers a lot of support to the saddle rails.
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    Quote Originally Posted by the bob View Post
    That's why we are talking here in the east Endura . Out here there is no bears and lions.
    I ran into 3 black bears 2 weeks ago while riding... almost **** my pants. There are definitely bears!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by bomber495 View Post
    I ran into 3 black bears 2 weeks ago while riding
    I hear they are softer than running into trees.


    To regurgitate what I said in the other thread:

    Over a selected section of the Don (that starts and ends at the same elevation) my 43-pound, 8" travel, 2.7"-tire, platform pedalled FR bike logged a time of 16 min. My 20-lbs carbon hardtail logged a time of 14 min with the same perceived effort.

    Now 2 minutes might seem like a lot... but that's only 12% slower... on a bike that weighs more than TWICE as much.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ghettocruiser View Post
    I hear they are softer than running into trees.


    To regurgitate what I said in the other thread:

    Over a selected section of the Don (that starts and ends at the same elevation) my 43-pound, 8" travel, 2.7"-tire, platform pedalled FR bike logged a time of 16 min. My 20-lbs carbon hardtail logged a time of 14 min with the same perceived effort.

    Now 2 minutes might seem like a lot... but that's only 12% slower... on a bike that weighs more than TWICE as much.
    True that. However... An XC race might last ninety minutes. If your carbon bike saves two minutes out of every sixteen... Thatís eleven and a half minutes over the length of a race. Some people care about that. Some donít. Or to take another example, a typical club ride might be three hours, with two an a half hours of moving time. Again, if youíre saving 2 out of 16, thatís nearly nineteen minutes faster for the lighter bike. Or nineteen minutesí worth of easier pedalling.

    Mind you, if the club ride is at St. Helenas, Porcupine Ridge, or Mohawk, you may have to run half of it carrying a broken frame. Hmmm...

    And a final note: As mentioned above, saving weight gets expensive, quickly. Thereís some ďlow hanging fruitĒ to grab like lighter tires. But once you start replacing every part with Ti and looking into carbon rims or ridiculously light brakes, it gets expensive. Letís say you have the money. Is $1,000 better spent making your bike lighter or grabbing a flight to the North Shore for some bucket list riding?
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    Quote Originally Posted by ghettocruiser View Post
    I hear they are softer than running into trees.


    To regurgitate what I said in the other thread:

    Over a selected section of the Don (that starts and ends at the same elevation) my 43-pound, 8" travel, 2.7"-tire, platform pedalled FR bike logged a time of 16 min. My 20-lbs carbon hardtail logged a time of 14 min with the same perceived effort.

    Now 2 minutes might seem like a lot... but that's only 12% slower... on a bike that weighs more than TWICE as much.
    ((((((Again with all due respect))))))) .... This thread is not about whether it is worth shaving the weight.. It's about what to shave, where to shave and what it cost.. It's about Idea's ...

    I really don't know why people love to Ram their beliefs down and Argue. If you think your 45 lb bike works great for you then hey man enjoy it, no one is telling you it's right or wrong .
    Now Back to the Topic .. I just came across these (((( Karbona CNC Aluminum Cassettes))) 9 speed cogs from Toronto Cycle. 159 dollars for a 160 gram Cog set.. that is 100 grams or so lighter then a XT for 30 dollars more. Has anyone tried them are they any good ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by the bob View Post
    ((((((Again with all due respect))))))) .... This thread is not about whether it is worth shaving the weight.. It's about what to shave, where to shave and what it cost.. It's about Idea's ...
    What type of frame do you have? Would you be interested in lighter frames in your pursuit of weight savings?
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    Frames are something else.. that is a personal choice ?? Lots of Cash ... style of riding ..
    I personally have a few bikes. I have 5.5 inch Trail bike which I use the most ... A 6.5 Inch Free ride bike which I use for downhill.. I am more interested in what people do to improve their bikes not what bike to buy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by the bob View Post
    I really don't know why people love to Ram their beliefs down and Argue. If you think your 45 lb bike works great for you then hey man enjoy it, no one is telling you it's right or wrong .
    Actually, I think the 44 lb bike is too heavy for that purpose, and I almost always ride my 20 lb bike instead. The one I just bought stupid 23g carbon cages for.

    I was subtly trying to lower expectations of weight-related performance gains.

    If you want reviews of specific parts, you do realize there is an entire sub-forum devoted expressly to this topic, right?
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    Quote Originally Posted by the bob View Post
    I really don't know why people love to Ram their beliefs down and Argue.
    I donít know either, but to be fair to GhettoCruiser, I think he was sharing his experience, not telling anyone to swap their fully rigid seventeen pound carbon XC bike for a fully suspended ten inches of travel DH bike.

    Now since we feel like talking about Weight Weenie stuff in the Eastern Canada section, Iíll make a region-specific comment. I used egg beaters on my CX bike and like them for that purpose. Light and ridiculously good for dealing with anything, even Don Valley clay.

    However, I suck at technical riding with egg beaters. I simply canít control the bike when I can only push against a pedal spindle. I ride flats most of the time, and the lightest pair I tried were the Echo SLs. Beautiful pedals, really engage the shoes, extremely light. However... I broke a spindle riding the rocks at Mohawk. SO I got myself some BMX pedals. Not light at all.

    For riding with clips, I use Crank Brothers Candys. Thereís enough of a platform for controlling the bike, and I can torque the cranks when climbing. You can spend outrageous money on the Titanium Candys, I went with the cheapest, plastic pair. Almost as light as Titanium, lighter than the alloy Candys.

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    [QUOTE=raganwald;8442265]productid=16403&cat=274&page=1"]Echo SLs[/URL]. Beautiful pedals, really engage the shoes, extremely light.

    They look sweet what is the weight on these ??

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    Quote Originally Posted by the bob View Post
    ((((((Again with all due respect))))))) .... This thread is not about whether it is worth shaving the weight.. It's about what to shave, where to shave and what it cost.. It's about Idea's ...
    Certainly a frame is a place you could target to shave some weight if yours is heavy, as long as you are looking at something suitable for the same type of use. As you previously requested, its not about whether its worth it, but what to shave and where... Buying lightweight frames and components are both going to be expensive, but considering all options would likely give you an idea of where to save the greatest amount of weight.

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    [QUOTE=the bob;8442282]
    Quote Originally Posted by raganwald View Post
    productid=16403&cat=274&page=1"]Echo SLs[/URL]. Beautiful pedals, really engage the shoes, extremely light.

    They look sweet what is the weight on these ??
    They are listed as 261g per pair. Thatís half the weight of some platforms, for not very much more money. HOWEVER: These are trials pedals, not XC, XM, or DH pedals. They are not designed to be ridden for hours at a go, nor are they designed for taking ginormous hits: A trials rider is an expert at soaking up the impact of jumps and drops.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bomber495 View Post
    Certainly a frame is a place you could target to shave some weight if yours is heavy, as long as you are looking at something suitable for the same type of use. As you previously requested, its not about whether its worth it, but what to shave and where... Buying lightweight frames and components are both going to be expensive, but considering all options would likely give you an idea of where to save the greatest amount of weight.
    I Hear you dude in this Post I am Going by the Idea that that initial decision Has been put to bed... I personally Have Turner 5 Spot Modified to the Nine, Push Shock Custom Rockers all in all A large Frame with 5.5 Inch Travel at 6.2 Lb. .. Now I know there are lighter Frames out there But at this point I will stick with with this Frame.
    My bike As it sits is 25lb 12 OZ And I have all the Bling so there is a few places to Shave
    so Far I will look at some Ti bolts , The Rotor Stem , and The Cog set I posted.

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    Quote Originally Posted by the bob View Post
    I Hear you dude in this Post I am Going by the Idea that that initial decision Has been put to bed... I personally Have Turner 5 Spot Modified to the Nine, Push Shock Custom Rockers all in all A large Frame with 5.5 Inch Travel at 6.2 Lb. .. Now I know there are lighter Frames out there But at this point I will stick with with this Frame.
    My bike As it sits is 25lb 12 OZ And I have all the Bling so there is a few places to Shave
    so Far I will look at some Ti bolts , The Rotor Stem , and The Cog set I posted.
    How about some carbon handlebars, cranks, or a lighter wheelset? I'm actually looking for a lighter wheelset myself, so I am curious what input others would have in this area.

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    Quote Originally Posted by the bob View Post
    And I have all the Bling so there is a few places to Shave
    so Far I will look at some Ti bolts , The Rotor Stem , and The Cog set I posted.
    Some people may argue with the aesthetics of this suggestion, but there's a lot of choices in wide flat bars with sweep now. Some tinkering with stem rise and length, plus spacer arrangement if your steerer allows for this, may get you to the same hand position and angle, while saving another small chunk over the more typical AM riser bar setup. If you're really looking to go low, incremental gains over the whole bike are where it's at.

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    I think you kinda have to look at it from the perspective of the rider as well.

    For me at 245, dropping 1-3lbs of weight, doesn't mean much. I went from a 32lb bike last year to a 20lb bike this year. I notice the bike is pretty whippy but overall its not that much different from when I get on the 32lb bike still by way of climbing or speed. It just seems to be in general control.

    On the other hand, over the winter I dropped an additional 35lbs, and shaved almost 15-20 minutes of lap times from the year before. *This is judged against times of riders I rode with last year, and how far behind I was, and how close or in front of them I was this year*

    Dropping body weight if you have some to drop > your bike if you're a bigger guy. Mind you having a really nice bike to work your way into is a constant reminder to keep up on your fitness so you don't look like a poser.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 14Stone View Post
    On the other hand, over the winter I dropped an additional 35lbs, and shaved almost 15-20 minutes of lap times from the year before.

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    You can shave weight anywhere as long as you have more money than brains!

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    Quote Originally Posted by electrik View Post
    You can shave weight anywhere as long as you have more money than brains!
    Wait!

    Let me get my popcorn now.

    I can see where this is going now.


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    I could probably knock close to another pound off my bike without compromising its durability or handling, but then I ask myself, would I even notice it? Doubtful, given that I can't say I notice any difference between a full water bottle on my bike and a mostly empty one. My bike computer can't tell the difference either, all my times for my regular 40 minute loop are well within the margin of error. So I don't sweat it. My sole concession to saving weight is a set of Time ATAC Carbon Ti pedals. Heck, I don't even use alloy spoke nipples on my wheels.

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    Quote Originally Posted by osokolo View Post
    Wait!

    Let me get my popcorn now.

    I can see where this is going now.


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    Exactly, first it's innocently trashing your rims with glue, but then these guys are going to start talking about drilling holes in their frame cuz they're out of money to buy those zipps or maybe sanding down the fork lowers to shave some grams... There seems to be some sort of mental imbalance with this activity - pocket book or otherwise!

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    Quote Originally Posted by bomber495 View Post
    I'm actually looking for a lighter wheelset myself, so I am curious what input others would have in this area.
    Weight, riding style, trail preferences, bike type, budget, running tubes/UST/non-UST tubeless? All relevant questions necessary for answering the question properly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by osokolo View Post
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    Your martini, sir:
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    Quote Originally Posted by Circlip View Post
    Weight, riding style, trail preferences, bike type, budget, running tubes/UST/non-UST tubeless? All relevant questions necessary for answering the question properly.
    American Classic!

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    Best value for the money and fitting the bill for 190# aggressive XC rider with occasional 1-2' foot max drops, and Hilton Falls / Agreement Forest rocks - durability and stiffness, keeping the weight low (lowest in the group @ 1600g for tubeless ready 29")...

    Back to eating popcorn.


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    Quote Originally Posted by the bob View Post
    That's why we are talking here in the east Endura . Out here there is no bears and lions.

    Mountain Lion also called the Cougar or Puma exist in Ontario,

    http://www.thestar.com/news/ontario/...owl-in-ontario

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    Quote Originally Posted by electrik View Post
    You can shave weight anywhere as long as you have more money than brains!
    lol or if you actually have brains and do some research you can built light bikes on the cheap.

    An example of a well researched built. It's not an AM bike but you get the idea.

    My Latest Budgetlight Project is finished....

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    Truthfully, I don't know the exact weight of my range 3 anymore, but I know it is a lot lighter then my friend's transition dirtbag. He still climbs great though. Probably has a lot to do with how he has conditioned his legs to handle it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Enduramil View Post
    Mountain Lion also called the Cougar or Puma exist in Ontario,

    Ontario News: Confirmed: Big cats prowl in Ontario - thestar.com
    Yes, but some mtbr members are pining to meet them out on the trails.

    Quote Originally Posted by shirk View Post
    lol or if you actually have brains and do some research you can built light bikes on the cheap.

    An example of a well researched built. It's not an AM bike but you get the idea.

    My Latest Budgetlight Project is finished....




    For my proof i state ...
    strong, cheap, light - pick two
    The law of diminishing returns for bicycle products disagrees with any argument that the cost to benefit ratio is something Ron Jeremy would be envious of.

    QED.

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