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    Cool-blue Rhythm Misconceptions on weight , let's talk

    I have heard so many times over the years that instead of worring about how light your bike is , just loose a few pounds on your butt. Or take a nice poop before you ride...
    Although it is important to be in good shape. And clean your bowels, but there is no substitude for a light bike.
    So where and what to shave is the key to a great A M . Ride so post the best place you shaved that weight and why


    I,ll start
    for a mere 60 dollars I droped almost half a pound by going with stand no tubes
    Stains tape 20 dollars Stans liquid 30 dollars. 2 valves 10 dollars 230 grams off rolling weight priceless

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    You know what ?

    My FR bike could be 20lbs, it would still suck to climb it... My trail bike is 36 and I feel it like I'm climbing on a 25...

    It's all about geometry and rotational weight... And honestly, you carrying water, like 3 liters can add 3kgs to your ride... You understand it better now ?

    Having a light bike is nice when you have to carry to lift, but otherwise, a few pounds doesn't make that much difference, unless you are racing an epic or greater...

    But it's all about how the weight is setup and geometry. And fit.

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    And btw, sorry to turn your thread down like that... More of an redirection then a real shut down.

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    topless. that's what all mtb girls do. we go ride, get topless, have pillow fights in the woods, scissor, then ride home!

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    I saved 3lb off my bike by getting rid of superfluous cr@p like gears and suspension.
    Strava made me do it....

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    Light wheels and tyres made the biggest difference with my spesh enduro. I also got light bars, carbon seatpost, light saddle and lighter crankset. The bike is massively lighter now and rides much better but it was the wheels and tyres that gave the biggest improvement.

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    I had my trail bike down to 22.25 pounds before making the switch to 650 B wheels (but thats another story) and I can honestly say I felt an improvement with every .5 of a pound I knocked off. I did the bike diet over a season and kept creaping it down as much as I could without compromising the bike. I started it out at 24.75. The most noticable change was when knokced just shy of a pound of rubber of the tires when I switched to Schwalbe Rocket Rons.

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    Imagine if your trail bike was 26 lb and then tell me if it feels the same
    There is no misconception dude ,,,, I have taken the exact same two bikes mine and my brothers ( both turner 5 spots 05. Both same identical geo. ) 3 lb apart and the lighter bike rides superior to the heavier bike. Climbs better turned better jumped and dropped much better. This is a fact. Add five pounds to your pack and you won't feel any difference, add 5 pounds to your bike and you will notice a world of difference.

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    Quote Originally Posted by the bob View Post
    Imagine if your trail bike was 26 lb and then tell me if it feels the same
    There is no misconception dude ,,,, I have taken the exact same two bikes mine and my brothers ( both turner 5 spots 05. Both same identical geo. ) 3 lb apart and the lighter bike rides superior to the heavier bike. Climbs better turned better jumped and dropped much better. This is a fact.
    Light bikes are great, of course.

    However, can we agree that lighter is not always better? If function and durability for the intended purpose were equal between 2 parts, then you'd always choose the lighter part (assuming cost is no object). However, often there's some compromise in durability and function. To some riders those compromises may not be relevant (e.g. parts still sufficiently durable enough for rider weight, trail choice, riding style, and riding frequency)

    Keep in mind that I'm coming at this from the perspective of having a full-on XC race rig, good knowledge of all the trick parts available on the market, and a generous budget to set up my bike any way I choose.

    Quote Originally Posted by the bob View Post
    Add five pounds to your pack and you won't feel any difference, add 5 pounds to your bike and you will notice a world of difference.
    Sounds good in theory, but there's exceptions to every rule. My back and neck are sketchy (injuries from other sports) and it's important for me to keep as much weight on my bike and off my body such as water, tools, etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by the bob View Post
    Imagine if your trail bike was 26 lb and then tell me if it feels the same
    There is no misconception dude ,,,, I have taken the exact same two bikes mine and my brothers ( both turner 5 spots 05. Both same identical geo. ) 3 lb apart and the lighter bike rides superior to the heavier bike. Climbs better turned better jumped and dropped much better. This is a fact. Add five pounds to your pack and you won't feel any difference, add 5 pounds to your bike and you will notice a world of difference.
    I also have a 26 lbs trail bike, but unless you wanna ride for a full day, 5 pounds won't made that much difference... Unless your fat and lazy...

    Lighter bike can handle better, but the geometry is key. And rotational weight of the wheels really make the cut. It's stupid to spend hundreds on lighter parts to save only hundreds grams, when lighter wheel and faster tires really make the difference...

    Climbing the mountain on a 38lbs freeride is really what got me fit... Not doing it on a crazy a$$ light bike... Unless you are making way more money then me (probably in fact), I don't consider spending crazy to get a lighter drive train and brakes or suspension.

    If you are building, it's ok, but if you are upgrading only for the weight saving, then you have some serious budget IMHO.

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    Quote Originally Posted by the bob View Post
    Add five pounds to your pack and you won't feel any difference, add 5 pounds to your bike and you will notice a world of difference.
    I played mule at last year's Anti-Race and carried a 2-4 of cans and 750mL bottle of Jagermeister in my pack and can say for a fact that riding with that much extra weight on your back sucks on a long ride.

    Thankfully, the cargo got lighter as the ride went on and it had the added benefit of easing the pain.
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    I respect all thoughts on the subject but I think some ware down the line the topic got lost.
    This thread is about how people lost the weight , the methods and the tricks, Not to discuss weather it is a good idea or not. So let's focus on the subject and learn a few things about it.

    So here is another nice product , twenty6. Pedals picked one up the other day of pink bike at 260 grams for the pair . They were fantastic great grip looked very cool and can save up to 200 grams off your A M bike 240 dollars new. Kind of steep but 1/2 a pound is not bad.

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    Quote Originally Posted by the bob View Post
    I respect all thoughts on the subject but I think some ware down the line the topic got lost.
    This thread is about how people lost the weight , the methods and the tricks, Not to discuss weather it is a good idea or not. So let's focus on the subject and learn a few things about it.

    So here is another nice product , twenty6. Pedals picked one up the other day of pink bike at 260 grams for the pair . They were fantastic great grip looked very cool and can save up to 200 grams off your A M bike 240 dollars new. Kind of steep but 1/2 a pound is not bad.
    Then back on topic.

    Lightest seat post I could find was the Race Face Deus at 240g for 400mm and 27.2mm... And I bought it new off eBay for $20 plus $7 shipping...

    Even carbon wrapped seat post were heavier...

    And I always do my little peepee before going out for a ride
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    LIttle tid bits of value and strength in light weight.

    Old LX hollow tech II cranks
    Truvativ AKA stem
    IRD Thumbshifters
    Alex rims
    Shimano XT (latest generation) hubs
    Shimano 520 clipless pedals

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    Quote Originally Posted by Unglued View Post
    I saved 3lb off my bike by getting rid of superfluous cr@p like gears and suspension.
    I just built a single speed bike with a carbon rigid fork that is 10lbs lighter than my FS 29er.. Losing the gears and heavy suspension saved quite a bit for me!

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    Unlike this abomination, all cables & hoses on my bike are cut to the shortest possible length for clean routing and minimal weight.
    Cost? Free. And the bike works better too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by the bob View Post
    there is no substitude for a light bike.
    So where and what to shave is the key to a great A M .
    This topic seems awfully familiar.

    Quote Originally Posted by the bob View Post
    I respect all thoughts on the subject but I think some ware down the line the topic got lost.
    This thread is about how people lost the weight , the methods and the tricks, Not to discuss weather it is a good idea or not. So let's focus on the subject and learn a few things about it..
    I sympathize with your desire to keep a thread on topic. But if you start a thread by stating as fact an opinion that is the subject of ongoing debate, it is inevitable someone will ask if it is really true. Had you started the thread by simply asking folks how they'd reduced he weight of their bikes, there would be nothing to argue about

    Now to answer your question. First, I shortened my hoses. I even removed the remote lockout cable, since I like it rough. I have a Ti bottom bracket and lightweight rotors from Formula. But the biggest after-market weight savings on my bike has probably been in the tires.

    It can be messy to set up, but running lightweight non-UST tires tubelessly saves weight. I don't know if losing the tube is a win against the weight of the sealant, tape, and cores (you seem to think so, but my scale disagrees). However, with a narrower tire like 2.1 or 1.9, going tubeless feels like I'm getting the traction of a 2.35 using a smaller, lighter tire.
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    For me, I wouldn't shave one single gram off of the bike if it will make is loose any stiffness. I had a lightweight XC ride, and I hated it. I'm faster and more comfortable on a heavy dirt jump frame.

    Now, if the thing isn't going to add to flex and drops weight, too, I'm all for it. Probably the best upgrade is a good, lightweight set of tires. The lighter tires usually have lower rolling resistance, too, so you win twice.

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    For me having a lighter bike absolutly makes a diference even on shorter sprint type rides. My lap times got faster as my bike got lighter. For the seat post there are a few sub 200 gram posts out there. Ritchey wcs one bolt or superlogic carbon, crank brothers cobalt 11 and easton EC 90 to name a few. If you are trying to realy push the wheight down as low as possible you need to concider every gram. I switched all of my bolts to ti, Some headsets are not very light (king) and some are very light (crank bros and loaded) even grips are good cheap place to look. You can get foam grips that feel great and are only 12 to 15 grams for the set for under 20 bucks. Like I mention before Tires are a big one but things like stems ( Rotor sx3 89 grams) and sadles (lots in the 120 to 140 gram range) often get over looked. The high end cassettes like Sram XX and pg999 are a great way to save weight but are not cheap.

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    Good stuff now we are rolling but let's talk specific . Now for the next one I switched from the old fait full Kendal navigates to swalbee nobly nicks. Saved 220 grams per tire without sacrificing performance
    2 years on the nobly nicks and still going strong. So the 2,25 nicks a great way to shave a pound and they roll great and grip even better.
    Cheers.

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    Okay I'll bite.

    Weight weenism tends to be expensive.

    The other consideration one has to be wary of is where on the bike you look to cut the weight. Some areas can be dangerous when you go to light. Or if you go to light you start breaking stuff.

    Another consideration when it comes to this is your riding region. For where most here ride they can go much lighter then say a guy in BC. Simple reality is that there is less of a hike out when stuff fails. If you go to light with parts in BC and it fails way up in the Callahan Valley.... long walk home with bears and Mountain Lions.

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    That's why we are talking here in the east Endura . Out here there is no bears and lions.
    Now here is another nice product that we tried and did not fail. Stan's alpine rims on a all mountain bike at 330 to 340 grams these rims are near carbon weight and are tough as nails. Two years on the Olympic and. Year with the alpines and they are still tru and good as new. I weigh 200 lb. And I have droped 6 to 7 footers blasted through rock gardens and have plowed down a few downhill runs with these and they are still going.
    Now don't get me wrong do not throw these things on your DH rig but for a nice AM wheel they work great. Cost 120 dollars each 200 grams less the a pair of 721s

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    This is good info so far things that I will pick up for one a rotar stem 89 grams. That is 100 grams less then my Thompson

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    Probably the cheapest weight saving I've made was switching to Eggbeaters, plus they're great in mud. (it was nearly a pound at the time)

    I don't know if it's the lightest post out there, but I've been really happy with my Syntace carbon one. I really like the clamp design as it delivers a lot of support to the saddle rails.
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    Quote Originally Posted by the bob View Post
    That's why we are talking here in the east Endura . Out here there is no bears and lions.
    I ran into 3 black bears 2 weeks ago while riding... almost **** my pants. There are definitely bears!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by bomber495 View Post
    I ran into 3 black bears 2 weeks ago while riding
    I hear they are softer than running into trees.


    To regurgitate what I said in the other thread:

    Over a selected section of the Don (that starts and ends at the same elevation) my 43-pound, 8" travel, 2.7"-tire, platform pedalled FR bike logged a time of 16 min. My 20-lbs carbon hardtail logged a time of 14 min with the same perceived effort.

    Now 2 minutes might seem like a lot... but that's only 12% slower... on a bike that weighs more than TWICE as much.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ghettocruiser View Post
    I hear they are softer than running into trees.


    To regurgitate what I said in the other thread:

    Over a selected section of the Don (that starts and ends at the same elevation) my 43-pound, 8" travel, 2.7"-tire, platform pedalled FR bike logged a time of 16 min. My 20-lbs carbon hardtail logged a time of 14 min with the same perceived effort.

    Now 2 minutes might seem like a lot... but that's only 12% slower... on a bike that weighs more than TWICE as much.
    True that. However... An XC race might last ninety minutes. If your carbon bike saves two minutes out of every sixteen... Thatís eleven and a half minutes over the length of a race. Some people care about that. Some donít. Or to take another example, a typical club ride might be three hours, with two an a half hours of moving time. Again, if youíre saving 2 out of 16, thatís nearly nineteen minutes faster for the lighter bike. Or nineteen minutesí worth of easier pedalling.

    Mind you, if the club ride is at St. Helenas, Porcupine Ridge, or Mohawk, you may have to run half of it carrying a broken frame. Hmmm...

    And a final note: As mentioned above, saving weight gets expensive, quickly. Thereís some ďlow hanging fruitĒ to grab like lighter tires. But once you start replacing every part with Ti and looking into carbon rims or ridiculously light brakes, it gets expensive. Letís say you have the money. Is $1,000 better spent making your bike lighter or grabbing a flight to the North Shore for some bucket list riding?
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    Quote Originally Posted by ghettocruiser View Post
    I hear they are softer than running into trees.


    To regurgitate what I said in the other thread:

    Over a selected section of the Don (that starts and ends at the same elevation) my 43-pound, 8" travel, 2.7"-tire, platform pedalled FR bike logged a time of 16 min. My 20-lbs carbon hardtail logged a time of 14 min with the same perceived effort.

    Now 2 minutes might seem like a lot... but that's only 12% slower... on a bike that weighs more than TWICE as much.
    ((((((Again with all due respect))))))) .... This thread is not about whether it is worth shaving the weight.. It's about what to shave, where to shave and what it cost.. It's about Idea's ...

    I really don't know why people love to Ram their beliefs down and Argue. If you think your 45 lb bike works great for you then hey man enjoy it, no one is telling you it's right or wrong .
    Now Back to the Topic .. I just came across these (((( Karbona CNC Aluminum Cassettes))) 9 speed cogs from Toronto Cycle. 159 dollars for a 160 gram Cog set.. that is 100 grams or so lighter then a XT for 30 dollars more. Has anyone tried them are they any good ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by the bob View Post
    ((((((Again with all due respect))))))) .... This thread is not about whether it is worth shaving the weight.. It's about what to shave, where to shave and what it cost.. It's about Idea's ...
    What type of frame do you have? Would you be interested in lighter frames in your pursuit of weight savings?
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    Frames are something else.. that is a personal choice ?? Lots of Cash ... style of riding ..
    I personally have a few bikes. I have 5.5 inch Trail bike which I use the most ... A 6.5 Inch Free ride bike which I use for downhill.. I am more interested in what people do to improve their bikes not what bike to buy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by the bob View Post
    I really don't know why people love to Ram their beliefs down and Argue. If you think your 45 lb bike works great for you then hey man enjoy it, no one is telling you it's right or wrong .
    Actually, I think the 44 lb bike is too heavy for that purpose, and I almost always ride my 20 lb bike instead. The one I just bought stupid 23g carbon cages for.

    I was subtly trying to lower expectations of weight-related performance gains.

    If you want reviews of specific parts, you do realize there is an entire sub-forum devoted expressly to this topic, right?
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    Quote Originally Posted by the bob View Post
    I really don't know why people love to Ram their beliefs down and Argue.
    I donít know either, but to be fair to GhettoCruiser, I think he was sharing his experience, not telling anyone to swap their fully rigid seventeen pound carbon XC bike for a fully suspended ten inches of travel DH bike.

    Now since we feel like talking about Weight Weenie stuff in the Eastern Canada section, Iíll make a region-specific comment. I used egg beaters on my CX bike and like them for that purpose. Light and ridiculously good for dealing with anything, even Don Valley clay.

    However, I suck at technical riding with egg beaters. I simply canít control the bike when I can only push against a pedal spindle. I ride flats most of the time, and the lightest pair I tried were the Echo SLs. Beautiful pedals, really engage the shoes, extremely light. However... I broke a spindle riding the rocks at Mohawk. SO I got myself some BMX pedals. Not light at all.

    For riding with clips, I use Crank Brothers Candys. Thereís enough of a platform for controlling the bike, and I can torque the cranks when climbing. You can spend outrageous money on the Titanium Candys, I went with the cheapest, plastic pair. Almost as light as Titanium, lighter than the alloy Candys.

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    [QUOTE=raganwald;8442265]productid=16403&cat=274&page=1"]Echo SLs[/URL]. Beautiful pedals, really engage the shoes, extremely light.

    They look sweet what is the weight on these ??

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    Quote Originally Posted by the bob View Post
    ((((((Again with all due respect))))))) .... This thread is not about whether it is worth shaving the weight.. It's about what to shave, where to shave and what it cost.. It's about Idea's ...
    Certainly a frame is a place you could target to shave some weight if yours is heavy, as long as you are looking at something suitable for the same type of use. As you previously requested, its not about whether its worth it, but what to shave and where... Buying lightweight frames and components are both going to be expensive, but considering all options would likely give you an idea of where to save the greatest amount of weight.

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    [QUOTE=the bob;8442282]
    Quote Originally Posted by raganwald View Post
    productid=16403&cat=274&page=1"]Echo SLs[/URL]. Beautiful pedals, really engage the shoes, extremely light.

    They look sweet what is the weight on these ??
    They are listed as 261g per pair. Thatís half the weight of some platforms, for not very much more money. HOWEVER: These are trials pedals, not XC, XM, or DH pedals. They are not designed to be ridden for hours at a go, nor are they designed for taking ginormous hits: A trials rider is an expert at soaking up the impact of jumps and drops.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bomber495 View Post
    Certainly a frame is a place you could target to shave some weight if yours is heavy, as long as you are looking at something suitable for the same type of use. As you previously requested, its not about whether its worth it, but what to shave and where... Buying lightweight frames and components are both going to be expensive, but considering all options would likely give you an idea of where to save the greatest amount of weight.
    I Hear you dude in this Post I am Going by the Idea that that initial decision Has been put to bed... I personally Have Turner 5 Spot Modified to the Nine, Push Shock Custom Rockers all in all A large Frame with 5.5 Inch Travel at 6.2 Lb. .. Now I know there are lighter Frames out there But at this point I will stick with with this Frame.
    My bike As it sits is 25lb 12 OZ And I have all the Bling so there is a few places to Shave
    so Far I will look at some Ti bolts , The Rotor Stem , and The Cog set I posted.

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    Quote Originally Posted by the bob View Post
    I Hear you dude in this Post I am Going by the Idea that that initial decision Has been put to bed... I personally Have Turner 5 Spot Modified to the Nine, Push Shock Custom Rockers all in all A large Frame with 5.5 Inch Travel at 6.2 Lb. .. Now I know there are lighter Frames out there But at this point I will stick with with this Frame.
    My bike As it sits is 25lb 12 OZ And I have all the Bling so there is a few places to Shave
    so Far I will look at some Ti bolts , The Rotor Stem , and The Cog set I posted.
    How about some carbon handlebars, cranks, or a lighter wheelset? I'm actually looking for a lighter wheelset myself, so I am curious what input others would have in this area.

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    Quote Originally Posted by the bob View Post
    And I have all the Bling so there is a few places to Shave
    so Far I will look at some Ti bolts , The Rotor Stem , and The Cog set I posted.
    Some people may argue with the aesthetics of this suggestion, but there's a lot of choices in wide flat bars with sweep now. Some tinkering with stem rise and length, plus spacer arrangement if your steerer allows for this, may get you to the same hand position and angle, while saving another small chunk over the more typical AM riser bar setup. If you're really looking to go low, incremental gains over the whole bike are where it's at.

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    I think you kinda have to look at it from the perspective of the rider as well.

    For me at 245, dropping 1-3lbs of weight, doesn't mean much. I went from a 32lb bike last year to a 20lb bike this year. I notice the bike is pretty whippy but overall its not that much different from when I get on the 32lb bike still by way of climbing or speed. It just seems to be in general control.

    On the other hand, over the winter I dropped an additional 35lbs, and shaved almost 15-20 minutes of lap times from the year before. *This is judged against times of riders I rode with last year, and how far behind I was, and how close or in front of them I was this year*

    Dropping body weight if you have some to drop > your bike if you're a bigger guy. Mind you having a really nice bike to work your way into is a constant reminder to keep up on your fitness so you don't look like a poser.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 14Stone View Post
    On the other hand, over the winter I dropped an additional 35lbs, and shaved almost 15-20 minutes of lap times from the year before.

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    You can shave weight anywhere as long as you have more money than brains!

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    You can shave weight anywhere as long as you have more money than brains!
    Wait!

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    I could probably knock close to another pound off my bike without compromising its durability or handling, but then I ask myself, would I even notice it? Doubtful, given that I can't say I notice any difference between a full water bottle on my bike and a mostly empty one. My bike computer can't tell the difference either, all my times for my regular 40 minute loop are well within the margin of error. So I don't sweat it. My sole concession to saving weight is a set of Time ATAC Carbon Ti pedals. Heck, I don't even use alloy spoke nipples on my wheels.

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    Exactly, first it's innocently trashing your rims with glue, but then these guys are going to start talking about drilling holes in their frame cuz they're out of money to buy those zipps or maybe sanding down the fork lowers to shave some grams... There seems to be some sort of mental imbalance with this activity - pocket book or otherwise!

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    Quote Originally Posted by bomber495 View Post
    I'm actually looking for a lighter wheelset myself, so I am curious what input others would have in this area.
    Weight, riding style, trail preferences, bike type, budget, running tubes/UST/non-UST tubeless? All relevant questions necessary for answering the question properly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by the bob View Post
    That's why we are talking here in the east Endura . Out here there is no bears and lions.

    Mountain Lion also called the Cougar or Puma exist in Ontario,

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    Quote Originally Posted by electrik View Post
    You can shave weight anywhere as long as you have more money than brains!
    lol or if you actually have brains and do some research you can built light bikes on the cheap.

    An example of a well researched built. It's not an AM bike but you get the idea.

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    Truthfully, I don't know the exact weight of my range 3 anymore, but I know it is a lot lighter then my friend's transition dirtbag. He still climbs great though. Probably has a lot to do with how he has conditioned his legs to handle it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Enduramil View Post
    Mountain Lion also called the Cougar or Puma exist in Ontario,

    Ontario News: Confirmed: Big cats prowl in Ontario - thestar.com
    Yes, but some mtbr members are pining to meet them out on the trails.

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    lol or if you actually have brains and do some research you can built light bikes on the cheap.

    An example of a well researched built. It's not an AM bike but you get the idea.

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    Judging from some peoples burden of ego and self righteousness they carry. I would strongly advise to not go light weight when it comes to bike parts.

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    Does the weight matter to a recreational rider like myself?

    I feel the weight (30 lbs) when loading and off loading my hardtail into my car trunk. My back is not in top shape like what it used to be. But I only do this once a week.

    I'm guessing one would have to spend a thousand bucks or more to shave off 5 lbs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by trail_cruzer View Post
    Does the weight matter to a recreational rider like myself?
    It's not a question so much of your self-described status as a "recreational rider", as much as it is about the type of riding you do. Previously you've described your riding as mostly gravel roads for now, which I assume are relatively flat and straight. If you're riding at a relatively constant speed most of the time on trails like this, weight is actually irrelevant from a physics standpoint once you're up to cruising speed (which usually only takes a few seconds).

    Quote Originally Posted by trail_cruzer View Post
    I'm guessing one would have to spend a thousand bucks or more to shave off 5 lbs.
    The curve of cost to weight savings gets exponentially steeper as more and more weight is dropped. Starting with a bike such as yours that is a very nice bike by any normal person's standards, but is on the more economical side for a cycling enthusiast, you'd be better off to ride it until you're done with it, then just move up a level or two in the budget with a complete new bike rather than upgrading bit by bit.

    Light weight isn't the be all and end of what makes a good bike though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by trail_cruzer View Post
    Does the weight matter to a recreational rider like myself?
    It's hard to say, for every rider there's a weight below which differences become harder to notice, for me that weight is around 25 pounds. There was a sizable difference going from my 28 lbs hardtail to my 25 lbs hardtail, but no real difference going from my 25 lbs hardtail to my 21 lbs one. This was confirmed with my bike computers and many loops on the local trails. For other people that point might come at 20 lbs or 30lbs, you really don't know until you try.

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    For a recreational rider probably not.

    Then again I'm not really sure what you mean by recreational. Do you keep mental notes of hills you climb? Do you time yourself on a common circuit you ride constantly. Do you spend more time enjoying nature then figuring out the best line through the next corner?

    If you ride for enjoyment, you probably won't care or notice at all. Its once you start keeping track of variables that you may notice a drop in weight being more beneficial.

    Again though, I'm a strong supporter of taking the weight off your body before you take it off your bike.

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    You want to learn how to get faster up a hill, buy a power-tap and hire a coach... This other stuff is all a crutch. Having trouble maneuvering a bicycle - go train with some weights. Again I'm suspect more money than brains or laziness.

    2lbs won't win or lose you a race unless it's accumulated over a 3week long TDF or you're all ultra cyclists with equal fitness.

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    two words: tioga spyder. 143g saddle that is as comfortable as a regular saddle (with a chamois). so good, in fact, that i have 2. also, ti mg-1 pedals = 300g +/- for $90. thanks to the fact that i use the spyder, i was able to start using a reverb with only a small weight gain. i use to care about shaving every gram i could, but this year i added heavier tires, heavier seatpost and heavier bars, but at the same time i added a lighter saddle, lighter chain ring, lighter fork and lighter stem. essentially, i stayed within the same weight range but got better performance, that is the key,
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    Quote Originally Posted by electrik View Post
    2lbs won't win or lose you a race unless it's accumulated over a 3week long TDF or you're all ultra cyclists with equal fitness.

    2 pounds off the rotational weight can improve time in minutes range on a 2 hours race... based on my experience..

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    Quote Originally Posted by osokolo View Post
    2 pounds off the rotational weight can improve time in minutes range on a 2 hours race... based on my experience..
    I'm sure it can improve your time(not if it breaks), but it's probably putting the cart before the horse for those asking because one minute gained is peanuts to performance gained by following an actual training plan. Probably the biggest motivator for people thinking shaving grams on parts is worth the effort because it's instantaneous tactile feedback. This probably induces a large placebo effect.

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    Quote Originally Posted by electrik View Post
    I'm sure it can improve your time(not if it breaks), but it's probably putting the cart before the horse for those asking because one minute gained is peanuts to performance gained by following an actual training plan. Probably the biggest motivator for people thinking shaving grams on parts is worth the effort because it's instantaneous tactile feedback. This probably induces a large placebo effect.
    Yep. Before I've weight my trail bike, I though it was around 30lbs, since it rides so good, then I had a shock when the scale show up 36

    But still feel light.
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    Quote Originally Posted by electrik View Post
    it's probably putting the cart before the horse for those asking because one minute gained is peanuts to performance gained by following an actual training plan. Probably the biggest motivator for people thinking shaving grams on parts is worth the effort because it's instantaneous tactile feedback.
    Why not do both?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Circlip View Post
    Why not do both?
    You can, but it is less commonly done when those are attracted to the weight trimming first. Spending money is easy when you've got more than brains(or time/disciple to train), of course buying your way to the top is probably not possible.

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    Quote Originally Posted by electrik View Post
    You can, but it is less commonly done when those are attracted to the weight trimming first. Spending money is easy when you've got more than brains(or time/disciple to train), of course buying your way to the top is probably not possible.
    Do you know anyone who thinks they can "buy their way to the top"? Fancy bike never replaces a fit or technically competent rider (I've never known anyone to think otherwise), but if I had lots more disposable cash than I had time to ride or train, then why not have some fun with the gear? I say let people spend as much on gear as they want, since that injects dollars into the bike industry in general and creates greater economies of scale for R&D.

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    Quote Originally Posted by electrik View Post
    I'm sure it can improve your time(not if it breaks), but it's probably putting the cart before the horse for those asking because one minute gained is peanuts to performance gained by following an actual training plan. Probably the biggest motivator for people thinking shaving grams on parts is worth the effort because it's instantaneous tactile feedback. This probably induces a large placebo effect.
    It goes farther then anyone has posted to date.

    Reality is it is far easier for the average rather to shell out money for parts then it is to put in the work to become a better rider. Can't put it simpler then that.

    Another example... running. All these people shelling out money for the newest special insole, shoe with a motion control wedge. Yet no one actually puts in the effort to actually figure out and work on the problem..that takes work. We want a solution now so will buy the newest Asic's Motio control knee wrecker.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Circlip View Post
    Do you know anyone who thinks they can "buy their way to the top"? Fancy bike never replaces a fit or technically competent rider (I've never known anyone to think otherwise), but if I had lots more disposable cash than I had time to ride or train, then why not have some fun with the gear? I say let people spend as much on gear as they want, since that injects dollars into the bike industry in general and creates greater economies of scale for R&D.
    You won't find me complaining if that CF frame drops down in price, but part of the misconceptions or problems with focus on weight is that it takes emphasis off the important things. You end up buying titanium bolts and blaming that "heavy bastard". It's not about the bike as the uniballer says.

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    Quote Originally Posted by electrik View Post
    part of the misconceptions or problems with focus on weight is that it takes emphasis off the important things. You end up buying titanium bolts and blaming that "heavy bastard".
    I can only speak for myself. I've never purchased any Ti bolts (although I don't have any issue with people that choose to do so), and have never blamed any aspect of my bike, weight or otherwise, for anything that happens on the trail. Sometimes things go wrong with bikes, and sometimes at times that aren't so convenient, but since I have full discretion over how my bikes are set up and maintained, I have only myself to blame at these times. Blaming inanimate objects doesn't make a whole lot of sense.

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    The question of "rider mass vs. non-rotating bike mass" is relevant. Regardless of your budget or fitness, it drives whether you place accessory weight on your body or on your bike. For example, do you use water bottles (bike) or a hydration system (body)? Does your spare tube and inflation system go in a saddle bag or the pockets of your jersey?

    Plenty of discussion about this over on the weight weenies forum.

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    Quote Originally Posted by electrik View Post
    I'm sure it can improve your time(not if it breaks), but it's probably putting the cart before the horse for those asking because one minute gained is peanuts to performance gained by following an actual training plan. Probably the biggest motivator for people thinking shaving grams on parts is worth the effort because it's instantaneous tactile feedback. This probably induces a large placebo effect.
    Great majority of those that race, do follow some training regimen and combine their fitness with the best possible tool for the job. It is pure physics. It requires less watts to pedal lighter bike over distance. Don't understand the debate here and invoking placebo effect. There is a reason that planes are built of light and strong materials. Requires less power to fly them if they are lighter.

    If two riders are equally prepared for the race, and all else is equal, the one with less rotational mass (particularly) on his bike will have an edge.

    1 minute may be the difference between the first and the fourth place. At the top level, any advantage will be considered and implemented. In 1998 at winter Olympics in Nagano after 4 bobsled runs the top 2 teams had the same combined final time. To a hundredth of a second. And you are downplaying one minute advantage. It is huge.

    Over the last 3 seasons of O-Cup racing I had only 1 DNF. Two years ago I had a flat at Midland. Never a single component breakage and always raced lightest possible components, except wheels where I had to follow manufacturers recommendations as I am over certain weight that some wheels are designed for. This is not placebo. It is own experience.

    Light parts are not necessarily less strong than heavy parts. That is one of the misconceptions that should be noted here.

    It is funny that a placebo statement comes from someone who can "prove" that platform pedals are faster in corners than clipless.

    If you can not justify spending more money on better quality and lighter components for whatever reason, no need to insult people that can, saying that they have more money than brains.

    With statements like these, no wonder you don't show up at group rides or post your pics.


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    Quote Originally Posted by raganwald View Post
    The question of "rider mass vs. non-rotating bike mass" is relevant. Regardless of your budget or fitness, it drives whether you place accessory weight on your body or on your bike. For example, do you use water bottles (bike) or a hydration system (body)? Does your spare tube and inflation system go in a saddle bag or the pockets of your jersey?

    Plenty of discussion about this over on the weight weenies forum.
    That's why I've decided to ride naked (with shoes and helmet), to shave the most weight off.

    Then I will also start to cut every bolt to their really minimum length, remove 2 cogs of my cassette, cut the pins off my platform pedals, cut my bars to the max, remove the headset spacers and cut down steerer tube. Then I will try to remove every screw that is already backed by a second one. No brake at the rear, only front. No saddle and seat post, nor seat tube collar...

    And then I might be able to have dropped a few pounds and be 150% faster... Stupid, but faster.



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    Quote Originally Posted by osokolo View Post
    If you can not justify spending more money on better quality and lighter components for whatever reason, no need to insult people that can, saying that they have more money than brains.
    I donít always agree with Oggie, but when I do, I use smilies:



    Letís get down to brass tacks, shall we? For almost everyone in this forum, cycling is a pastime. A hobby. You donít really need to justify a lighter bike or a platform pedal. It is perfectly acceptable to me that a Clyde rider might want the lightest possible bike just because he thinkís itís cool to research components and tune his bike. Why not? Donít auto enthusiasts do the same thing? I understand there are people who build model railroads: The trains go round and round but never get anywhere!

    Itís also fun to debate some of the ďreasoningĒ behind the components and so forth, but at the end of the day Iím ok with O----- if he wants a lighter bike to move from second to first on the podium. Iím also ok with L----- if he wants a lighter bike because he wants a lighter bike, period. If Tóó wants to wear a Camelbak because his bike seems more lively when he hops it over obstacles, great. Likewise if Jóó wants to use water bottles because it saves energy when climbing out of the saddle, also great. I embrace everyone. Itís your hobby, itís your bike.

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    Quote Originally Posted by osokolo View Post
    Great majority of those that race, do follow some training regimen and combine their fitness with the best possible tool for the job. It is pure physics. It requires less watts to pedal lighter bike over distance. Don't understand the debate here and invoking placebo effect. There is a reason that planes are built of light and strong materials. Requires less power to fly them if they are lighter.

    If two riders are equally prepared for the race, and all else is equal, the one with less rotational mass (particularly) on his bike will have an edge.

    1 minute may be the difference between the first and the fourth place. At the top level, any advantage will be considered and implemented. In 1998 at winter Olympics in Nagano after 4 bobsled runs the top 2 teams had the same combined final time. To a hundredth of a second. And you are downplaying one minute advantage. It is huge.

    Over the last 3 seasons of O-Cup racing I had only 1 DNF. Two years ago I had a flat at Midland. Never a single component breakage and always raced lightest possible components, except wheels where I had to follow manufacturers recommendations as I am over certain weight that some wheels are designed for. This is not placebo. It is own experience.

    Light parts are not necessarily less strong than heavy parts. That is one of the misconceptions that should be noted here.

    It is funny that a placebo statement comes from someone who can "prove" that platform pedals are faster in corners than clipless.

    If you can not justify spending more money on better quality and lighter components for whatever reason, no need to insult people that can, saying that they have more money than brains.

    With statements like these, no wonder you don't show up at group rides or post your pics.


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    That is well said Oggie I am starting to find it frustrating and even somewhat embarrassing how so many threads in this forum get hijacked and turned into arguments. I get customers coming in the shop who lurk here but do not post that think we are all a bunch of whiny children. I don't understand why some people have to always put someone else down to make a point. It seems that the FR/DH crowd and the XC crowd just cant agree to disagree. People get bent out of shape if someone goes around a TTF. Does the fact that they went around it somehow make your riding of it less enjoyable. As for the clipless thing some people feel better on them some don't who cares leave it at that. Obviously if someone has some pounds to shed of their body that will make a big difference in there riding but so will having a lighter bike I don't see how putting people down on an internet forum helps anyone. There are a few people on here that seem to think everyone should be just like them , ride the same type of bike, like the same trails ect. I for one prefer Albion Hills to Buck Wallow but I am not going to criticize some for not agreeing with me and I should not be criticized in return. I hope this sinks in with a few of the people who are always stirring the pot we could have a much more productive forum for sharing information if we are not starting fights all the time. I have wanted to get this off my chest for a while now I have today off so I'm going ridding.

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    Don't buy upgrades ride up grades.

    Now go ride yer bikes more... winter is coming faster then you are prepared for.

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    Good posts by Oggie and Johnny. I try to stay out of these discussions because of some of the stupidity and mis-information that gets passed around.


    I am a weightweenie, and enjoy the challenge of researching parts and tuning my bike. The thing most don't understand is that it does not cost a fortune to buy light parts, but you have to be smart about it. Titanium bolts are the worst way to spend money, aluminum is strong enough in most places, 1/2 the weight and 1/3 the price. I just bought a $60 carbon post than is lighter than an Easton EC90.


    With a light bike I can ride longer, it's not just about being faster.

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    Quote Originally Posted by osokolo View Post
    Great majority of those that race, do follow some training regimen and combine their fitness with the best possible tool for the job. It is pure physics. It requires less watts to pedal lighter bike over distance. Don't understand the debate here and invoking placebo effect. There is a reason that planes are built of light and strong materials. Requires less power to fly them if they are lighter.

    If two riders are equally prepared for the race, and all else is equal, the one with less rotational mass (particularly) on his bike will have an edge.

    1 minute may be the difference between the first and the fourth place. At the top level, any advantage will be considered and implemented. In 1998 at winter Olympics in Nagano after 4 bobsled runs the top 2 teams had the same combined final time. To a hundredth of a second. And you are downplaying one minute advantage. It is huge.

    Over the last 3 seasons of O-Cup racing I had only 1 DNF. Two years ago I had a flat at Midland. Never a single component breakage and always raced lightest possible components, except wheels where I had to follow manufacturers recommendations as I am over certain weight that some wheels are designed for. This is not placebo. It is own experience.

    Light parts are not necessarily less strong than heavy parts. That is one of the misconceptions that should be noted here.

    It is funny that a placebo statement comes from someone who can "prove" that platform pedals are faster in corners than clipless.

    If you can not justify spending more money on better quality and lighter components for whatever reason, no need to insult people that can, saying that they have more money than brains.

    With statements like these, no wonder you don't show up at group rides or post your pics.


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    I don't argue - a CF frame is just as strong and lighter than aluminum.

    Another misconception is some people have this fantasy to fulfill that they are Olympic athletes who actually benefit and really need to be spending thousands on shaving 200grams.



    It is really easy to justify buying those parts, i've seen the rationalizations. As some people finally resort to spewing - it's all about the bling.

    I also really doubt you're making one minute on those rims and tires. Not going to argue with you that. If it is all about those tires for you - so be it because it really doesn't matter to me if you're filling the tires with nitrogen or air. Just ride the bastard.

    I can also tell you there is indeed a placebo effect from all these fancy parts, but that could fill another thread and winter is coming...

    Also, nobody is talking about flats or baggies(somehow johnny thinks this is about FR/XC argument but that is his issue)... even certain people riding platforms feel the same need to become weight weenies.

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    Quote Originally Posted by electrik View Post
    As some people finally resort to spewing - it's all about the bling... even certain people riding platforms feel the same need to become weight weenies.
    Guilty as charged, and I boast of it! Those Echo SL Platforms I mentioned above are just 261g/pair and they come in colours


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    Quote Originally Posted by electrik View Post
    Another misconception is some people have this fantasy to fulfill that they are Olympic athletes who actually benefit and really need to be spending thousands on shaving 200grams.
    Are these people you ride with? I don't know anyone who has any unrealistic fantasies about going to the Olympics as an athlete. I have met a few who have realistic goals of trying to achieve this.

    "Need" is a subjective term. Are you talking "need" as in requirements for survival? If that's the standard, then most Canadians have more than what the need.

    "Benefit" is not subjective. Within the context of mountain biking, if all other things are equal (for the intended use) then lighter is better, and simple physics support the concept that lighter makes the bike easier to handle and climb more quickly. Whether this helps anyone to enjoy their ride more is a personal decision.

    No, I don't think anyone would notice 200g off the weight of their 20+ lb bike on a proper double-blind experiment, but if doing so makes them feel good about their bike and helps them to be enthusiastic about participating in the activity, then I'm happy for them.

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    and?
    There will be plenty of time in winter to worry about whether or not one is a closet weight weenie.

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    Hello everyone My name is Jack from Caledon ontario interesting thread.
    I have been out of mountainbikeing scene for a while due to a major Heart Attack. I Started ridding again this summer and it feels good. where would you guys recommend is a good Bike shop in the Area to buy some of these parts you guys are chatting about. I am looking to get a nice All mountain bike any recommendations?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Slack Jack View Post
    Hello everyone My name is Jack from Caledon ontario interesting thread.
    I have been out of mountainbikeing scene for a while due to a major Heart Attack. I Started ridding again this summer and it feels good. where would you guys recommend is a good Bike shop in the Area to buy some of these parts you guys are chatting about. I am looking to get a nice All mountain bike any recommendations?
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    Thanks .. where are they located ?? I have been in Orangeville a lot never saw a bike shop ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Circlip View Post
    Are these people you ride with? I don't know anyone who has any unrealistic fantasies about going to the Olympics as an athlete. I have met a few who have realistic goals of trying to achieve this.

    "Need" is a subjective term. Are you talking "need" as in requirements for survival? If that's the standard, then most Canadians have more than what the need.

    "Benefit" is not subjective. Within the context of mountain biking, if all other things are equal (for the intended use) then lighter is better, and simple physics support the concept that lighter makes the bike easier to handle and climb more quickly. Whether this helps anyone to enjoy their ride more is a personal decision.

    No, I don't think anyone would notice 200g off the weight of their 20+ lb bike on a proper double-blind experiment, but if doing so makes them feel good about their bike and helps them to be enthusiastic about participating in the activity, then I'm happy for them.
    I just use Olympic athlete as hyperbole for unrealistic image given the current fitness and life situation of the person trying so shave 200grams. The real benefit i can see in this case is an olympic athlete who is in peak form shaving time off a 2hr lap as. I see such a tiny benefit for normal people when compared to doing the hard work - training. The need(not a want as you put it) for this stuff is non-existent as far as i'm concerned, it is simply there as cheap signalling in 95% of the cases. Most of the time this ultra light gear is as shiny as the day it was purchased.

    Don't get me wrong i'm not trying to sentence everybody to riding a dutch bicycle offroad. I do however think that at a certain point the "misconception" on weight is solely on behalf of the person looking to shave grams.

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    Ugh.. stupid argument.

    As proven by Mr Layton. Life is cold brutish and short. Better things to worry about then how light your bike is. Rather be riding my bike then worrying about the weight.

    it's all about riding the thrill craft.
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    Quote Originally Posted by electrik View Post
    I don't argue - a CF frame is just as strong and lighter than aluminum.

    Another misconception is some people have this fantasy to fulfill that they are Olympic athletes who actually benefit and really need to be spending thousands on shaving 200grams.



    It is really easy to justify buying those parts, i've seen the rationalizations. As some people finally resort to spewing - it's all about the bling.

    I also really doubt you're making one minute on those rims and tires. Not going to argue with you that. If it is all about those tires for you - so be it because it really doesn't matter to me if you're filling the tires with nitrogen or air. Just ride the bastard.

    I can also tell you there is indeed a placebo effect from all these fancy parts, but that could fill another thread and winter is coming...

    Also, nobody is talking about flats or baggies(somehow johnny thinks this is about FR/XC argument but that is his issue)... even certain people riding platforms feel the same need to become weight weenies.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Enduramil View Post
    There will be plenty of time in winter to worry about whether or not one is a closet weight weenie.
    Incorrect.

    Bought a set of studded tires at the end of last season that are more than a pound lighter than my old set. And tubeless.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Slack Jack View Post
    Thanks .. where are they located ?? I have been in Orangeville a lot never saw a bike shop ?
    I believe this is their current address (I live in Hamilton and haven't been in a while):

    The Epic Ride
    Unit 10, 35 Robb blvd, Orangeville, ON L9W3L1
    Phone : (519) 941-8611

    Perhaps someone can confirm?

    Don't take my word for the shop though, check out this THREAD.
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    Quote Originally Posted by electrik View Post
    Most of the time this ultra light gear is as shiny as the day it was purchased.
    That is not the case. Don't make things up to prove your point. Few people even know what ultra light gear even is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Baulz View Post
    That is not the case. Don't make things up to prove your point. Few people even know what ultra light gear even is.
    Not lying to you, i see a lot of shiny carbon parts that sit in garages.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Unglued View Post
    Placebo effect or not, Oggie invariably passes me like I am standing still on Tuesday nights.
    Maybe it's the shoes!

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    Quote Originally Posted by electrik View Post
    Not lying to you, i see a lot of shiny carbon parts that sit in garages.
    There are tons of heavy crappy parts in garages too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by electrik View Post
    Maybe it's the shoes!


    Money, itís gotta be the shoes!

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    Quote Originally Posted by electrik View Post
    Not lying to you, i see a lot of shiny carbon parts that sit in garages.
    Only carbon? Do you see light weight aluminum parts too?

    Is it friends of yours that buy all these parts and you see them when visiting? I want to know where all these garages are.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Enduramil View Post
    As proven by Mr Layton. Kife is cold brutish and short. Better things to worry about then how light your bike is. Rather be riding my bike then worrying about the weight.
    I had to read this three times before I figured out what you were talking about (kife, WTF? sounds dirty... ). RIP Jack.
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    Quote Originally Posted by trail_cruzer View Post
    Does the weight matter to a recreational rider like myself?

    I feel the weight (30 lbs) when loading and off loading my hardtail into my car trunk. My back is not in top shape like what it used to be. But I only do this once a week.

    I'm guessing one would have to spend a thousand bucks or more to shave off 5 lbs.
    Post a picture of your bike and I can come up with a list of possible changes. Saving 5 lbs is not easy most of the time, but I bet you could save a pound or two without spending much money, and get improved performance as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Baulz View Post
    Post a picture of your bike and I can come up with a list of possible changes. Saving 5 lbs is not easy most of the time, but I bet you could save a pound or two without spending much money, and get improved performance as well.
    Give him a couple days. He just spend $200 on his very first MTB and he still needs to buy XC skis this year.
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    Quote Originally Posted by garage monster View Post
    I had to read this three times before I figured out what you were talking about (kife, WTF? sounds dirty... ). RIP Jack.
    It's been a long day of dealing with people.

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    Quote Originally Posted by garage monster View Post
    There are tons of heavy crappy parts in garages too.
    Seeing as you are a garage monster - I will take your word on it.

    Quote Originally Posted by Baulz View Post
    Only carbon? Do you see light weight aluminum parts too?

    Is it friends of yours that buy all these parts and you see them when visiting? I want to know where all these garages are.
    I bet! Half of them aren't even chained down to anything. They belong mostly to acquaintances, usually people who work a lot and have some cash to throw, but rarely ride them anywhere.

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    Quote Originally Posted by electrik View Post
    Seeing as you are a garage monster - I will take your word on it.
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    here comes Betty..

    mmmm, p0rn.. sorry electrik, i will send you some healing vibes later... i know these images are causing a huge headache and buzzing in ears... so sorry...

    i was doing some short hill repeats at centennial and couldnt resist the view, the bike and since i couldnt see any Betties around, i adopted my own one...

    i know there are many Betties around, but this one is only mine...

    mine.....
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    Looks like someone is going too far in the quest to save weight on his bar plugs!

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