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    Intermontane: Total Disaster (So Far)!

    With all due credit to Mrs. Monster (who found this write-up):
    Intermontane cancels third-day results

    By MARK HUNTER
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    July 30, 2009

    Kamloops – A black cloud hung over the finish line of the third stage at the Intermontane Challenge mountain bike race Wednesday.

    Some riders came through the finish line in the wrong direction. Others came in the backs of pick-up trucks. And the men's race leader, Jeremiah Bishop, wouldn't have made it at all, if not for some help from teammate David (Tinker) Juarez, who pushed him across the finish line.

    To put the cherry on top of a terrible day, race organizer Chuck Brennan announced after most of the riders were finished that the Stage 3 results would not count toward the overall time in the five-day race.

    “It's a sad day,” Brennan said. “We have two more good days of riding.”

    Today's Stage 4, the Top of the World, is scheduled to start at TRU at 7 a.m. The times after Tuesday's Stage 2 will be carried over to today.

    Stage 3 started on a bad note, when organizers learned that someone was sabotaging the course. The stage was scheduled to start at 8 a.m., but the riders didn't start rolling until around 10:45, after organizers scrambled to reroute and remark the course.

    Because most of the sabotage surrounded the Greenstone Mountain side of the stage, organizers decided to cut around that part, lopping around 30 kilometres off the originally scheduled 85km ride.

    Unfortunately, some of the new track wasn't marked well, and a lot of riders got lost, a few of whom were forced to call for a pick up. One unhappy rider angrily threw his helmet and a backpack after finishing the stage.

    “Because we were doing it in reverse, the markings were marked on the back of trees,” said Kamloops' Chris Sheppard, who finished the stage first overall in three hours six minutes eight seconds. “Coming down, I did two kilometres more than the fifth-place guy. At one point, I was way down below and I could see the guys up on a ridge.”

    Bishop, who is from Harrisonburg, Va., was the overall leader after two stages, 5:44 ahead of Sheppard, who lives in Bend, Ore.

    But disaster struck Bishop when he fell off his bike and injured his neck in the final two kilometres of the stage. According to riders nearby, Bishop went over a small ridge and failed to negotiate a sudden turn.

    “We were going down a single-track descent and we were crossing a dirt road,” said Bishop's teammate Ben Sonntag, who finished second, in 3:07:50. “There was a rise, so we couldn't see the trail below and he probably miscalculated it and missed the trail.”

    Bishop barely finished - Juarez had to push him the last few hundred metres - and was carted off in an ambulance a few minutes after finishing. Sonntag, the first rider to reach Bishop, was surprised his Monavie-Cannondale teammate was able to get back on his bike and finish.

    “I was probably 20, 30 seconds behind (Bishop) and I could still see the dust cloud where it happened,” Sonntag said. “He was just lying there, going 'My neck, my neck.' I actually told him he should stay there.”

    Bishop's status for the rest of the Intermontane is in doubt. If he isn't able to start today's stage, Sheppard will take the leader's jersey and have a 20-second lead on Juarez and a lead of 3:42 on Sonntag.

    “There's no good news,” Sheppard said. “There's a lot of camaraderie and it's tight racing. I never wish ill will on anyone.”

    The women's finish also was quirky. Jenn O'Connor of New Zealand crossed the line first in 3:34:40, but she apparently got lost and was going the wrong direction when she arrived.

    The overall women's leader, Sue Butler of Portland, came through the finish line - in the right direction - in 3:38:28, four seconds ahead of Amanda Carey of Victor, Idaho.

    Butler will start today's stage with a 33:50 lead over Sarah Kaufman of Ogden, Utah.
    This is AFTER the mess that was Day 1. Locals Brad Hunter and Rachel Mirvish are out there braving this thing and are sitting fourth overall in Mixed. I hope they're having a better time than this article might imply.

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    Yipes! More from the Western Canada forum:

    Some local ******* just sabotaged the course for today. I guess he doesn't want people on "his" trail. We're waiting for a re-route but are losing the best 30 km of the stage today.
    Apparently the guy wanted to keep "free" in "free-riding" and didn't want the x-c guys riding his trail, which BTW, is on crown land.
    All I have to say is wow.... way to **** up a good thing for the city of Kamloops, the organizers, volunteers, and the riders.
    Welcome to Kamloops!
    There is probably a lot going on that we don't know about. I have heard that the race organizer has burned some bridges with the local riding community, BUT, I wish they had not taken it out on the riders.

    Regardless of the local politics or who's screwing who over, the people who are taking the brunt of it are the racers who came a long way and paid a lot of money. We started 2.5 hours late yesterday, were exposed to more insane heat and most of the riders were lost on the mountain at some point. It's not fun or safe.

    I finished yesterday but am pulling the plug. All five of us are out of the race now, it's been too hot and too much of a **** show. We're hitting Silverstar today instead.
    We bailed too. It was a gong show. Very unsafe and unorganized. Heard that Jeremiah got hurt and people got lost but that's all we know from yesterday. Its really a shame that the riders are taking the brunt of this. We dropped a lot of coinage on this.
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    I have had 3 friends leave as well and all will ask for full refunds,this is so horrible!
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    Phat Tyred

    admit it!!!



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    reports continue to flood in concerning the drama.

    there are several Ontarian's present, a couple blogging too:

    TANYA - Vegan Vagabond
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    RACHEL - Sunshine Princess

    if you don't know either, suffice to say both are more then amply qualified, their reports don't bode well for the future.
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    Upset Bummed.

    This is a bummer.
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    the plot thickens.

    BTW monster...Kelly (scuttler) was the reason I was trying to 'talk you into this'

    I know not Chuck, but when Kelly left so did my plans.
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    Quote Originally Posted by scuttler
    check this out:

    http://tracksidenews.blogspot.com/


    this is what I was talking about,not my opinion but that of others...... this is disgusting....these folks came all the way over from the UK....and spent atleast $10K.....the truth is coming out.....why is this not making the papers/websites etc etc? These guys are getting the shaft!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!When will Chuck step up and accept some responsibility!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!what do you guys think? I'm not crazy, am I? I'm sorry but this is not right guys!

    It has made the media.

    http://www.kamloopsnews.ca/article/2...ourse-sabotage

    Further impressions from BC.

    http://bb.nsmb.com/showthread.php?t=124996

    It is now an RCMP investigation.

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    Some of the statements that have been quoted here are mine, so I won't add a lot, other than to say that five of us came all the way from Whitehorse and have been really dissapointed. I would never recommend this race, if it ever does happen again.

    We went to Vernon today and rode Silver Star. Amazing.

    Oh, BTW, Ben Sonntag got a concussion today and Tinker went way off course. Now the local hero Chris Sheppard is leading the race.

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    http://www.velonews.com/article/9623...fter-a-chaotic

    Sabotaged even before the start
    Before the planned, 85km stage even began, it was thrown into chaos. According to organizers, at around 9 pm the night before, Brennan got a call from a volunteer who was helping to mark the course.

    Paul Berry, the owner of local bike shop Spoke n’ Motion and a top-10 finisher, recounted events on the eve of the fateful stage. “Chuck received a call from Matt who was out marking the course. There was a guy up there on a section of the course,” said Berry. “This guy basically said, ‘If you guys mark this course, I’m gonna take it down. And I’m gonna be up here at four in the morning, waiting for you to mark it, and I’m gonna take it down. I’ll do whatever I can to wreck the course,’” related Berry.


    According to Berry, the caller claimed ownership to some of the “Greenstone” trails, where the race was to have included a challenging descent, because he helped build the trails. Berry said the trail is on public land and built on an old motorcycle trail. The race had a permit to hold the event there.

    The Kamloops Daily News reported that local police are investigating vandalism to the course.
    http://www.kamloopsnews.ca/article/2...ourse-sabotage

    A mountain bike rider who built some of the Greenstone trails acknowledged he tore off course markers two weeks ago but said he did nothing to sabotage the course this week.

    Jeff Sykes called himself a passionate mountain biker who is upset Brennan is riding freely on efforts of trail builders on Greenstone Mountain.

    “I rode it (Greenstone Mountain trail) with my girlfriend yesterday,” said Jeff Sykes. “That’s when I saw some guys using it. They didn’t ask us.”

    Sykes said he’s spent eight years on the mountain, building and maintaining trails on Crown land. He was upset when he saw flagging tape there two weeks ago. He said he tore off the tape and knew nothing about the race at the time.

    Then, on Tuesday, when organizers were checking and remarking the course, he accused them of riding for free on his years of backbreaking labour. The area is on Crown land and there are no tenures that allow exclusive use.

    “They’ll have hundreds of people on it and make a big mess,” Sykes said, adding community etiquette puts the onus on Brennan to seek permission to profit from other people’s trail work.

    “I never did anything but remove flagging tape, which is on my trail.”
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    Interesting... things like this seem to play out more often... i wonder if they took the effort to talk to and involve the local builders this could have been prevented...


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    Before the planned, 85km stage even began, it was thrown into chaos. According to organizers, at around 9 pm the night before, Brennan got a call from a volunteer who was helping to mark the course.

    Paul Berry, the owner of local bike shop Spoke n’ Motion and a top-10 finisher, recounted events on the eve of the fateful stage. “Chuck received a call from Matt who was out marking the course. There was a guy up there on a section of the course,” said Berry. “This guy basically said, ‘If you guys mark this course, I’m gonna take it down. And I’m gonna be up here at four in the morning, waiting for you to mark it, and I’m gonna take it down. I’ll do whatever I can to wreck the course,’” related Berry.


    According to Berry, the caller claimed ownership to some of the “Greenstone” trails, where the race was to have included a challenging descent, because he helped build the trails. Berry said the trail is on public land and built on an old motorcycle trail. The race had a permit to hold the event there.

    The Kamloops Daily News reported that local police are investigating vandalism to the course.





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    Jeff Sykes called himself a passionate mountain biker who is upset Brennan is riding freely on efforts of trail builders on Greenstone Mountain.

    “I rode it (Greenstone Mountain trail) with my girlfriend yesterday,” said Jeff Sykes. “That’s when I saw some guys using it. They didn’t ask us.”

    Sykes said he’s spent eight years on the mountain, building and maintaining trails on Crown land. He was upset when he saw flagging tape there two weeks ago. He said he tore off the tape and knew nothing about the race at the time.

    Then, on Tuesday, when organizers were checking and remarking the course, he accused them of riding for free on his years of backbreaking labour. The area is on Crown land and there are no tenures that allow exclusive use.

    “They’ll have hundreds of people on it and make a big mess,” Sykes said, adding community etiquette puts the onus on Brennan to seek permission to profit from other people’s trail work.

    “I never did anything but remove flagging tape, which is on my trail.”
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    There was a whiff of this kind of thing at BCBR too.

    On Day 3 (I think) some locals (bored kids?) rerouted the trail after we'd gone through (thankfully) and cost the last 40 riders (or so) an extra hour in the saddle. That morning, we were warned that there was some mischief going on up in the hills and the start was delayed so that the lead moto could clean up the course.

    The course for Day 5 (I think) was shortened by about 7 km when a local land owner withdrew his permission to the let the race through. We had to make a ferry crossing at the end of that stage so it wasn't really missed in the end any how.

    Other than those two incidents however, it was clear that all the local trail associations were super-stoked to have us out on "their" trials. On the North Shore, Vancouver Island, Sunshine Cost and in Squamish, I had a chance to stop and chat with the builders personally who were all on course. They were all really excited to have people from all over the place riding their trails and were eager to hear about all our farvourite features.

    I know Phat Tyred catches a lot of flack on here for defending "his" trails but I find it really hard to relate to that stance. I've always been really excited to have people riding AND racing on trails I've helped build. So odd.

    EDIT: I should add too that a portion of our BCBR entry fees went to support the local trail associations as well. That probably goes a LONG way to making everyone happy.
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    I do find statements made by the guy

    who tore off race signs in BC scary similar to some local Ontario people - calling trails on Crown land "my trails"...

    I do feel the same as you Monster - if I built some trails - I'd be superstocked to see people actually riding them...

    Phat Tyres has a bit more credibility as the weather was threatening to make the race in Horseshoe destructive towards some of the sections of the course, but this character in BC was totally out of line, as the weather was dry as a bone...

    In both cases, actions taken basically boiled down to screwing up the RIDERS, not anyone else... so it is kind of lame that riders take their anger on other riders... Some riders got seriously hurt in BC due to the vandalism... I hope the police gets to the bottom of it and riders recover successfully...

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    There was a whiff of this kind of thing at BCBR too.

    On Day 3 (I think) some locals (bored kids?) rerouted the trail after we'd gone through (thankfully) and cost the last 40 riders (or so) an extra hour in the saddle. That morning, we were warned that there was some mischief going on up in the hills and the start was delayed so that the lead moto could clean up the course.

    The course for Day 5 (I think) was shortened by about 7 km when a local land owner withdrew his permission to the let the race through. We had to make a ferry crossing at the end of that stage so it wasn't really missed in the end any how.

    Other than those two incidents however, it was clear that all the local trail associations were super-stoked to have us out on "their" trials. On the North Shore, Vancouver Island, Sunshine Cost and in Squamish, I had a chance to stop and chat with the builders personally who were all on course. They were all really excited to have people from all over the place riding their trails and were eager to hear about all our farvourite features.

    I know Phat Tyred catches a lot of flack on here for defending "his" trails but I find it really hard to relate to that stance. I've always been really excited to have people riding AND racing on trails I've helped build. So odd.

    EDIT: I should add too that a portion of our BCBR entry fees went to support the local trail associations as well. That probably goes a LONG way to making everyone happy.

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    Agreed. I think its pretty weak when so many fights occur between fellow riders (i.e. trailbuilders vs racers in this case). mountain biking is not a mainstream sport in North America, as opposed to hockey, baseball, football, basketball. If someone wanted to put in a hockey rink, it wouldn't even be questioned. If someone wanted to put in trails, I bet it'd be a totally different battle. My point in that all riders should be working together, and not fighting over something as silly as 'my trails'. If everyone wants to see the sport grow and long term sustainability, then it needs more teamwork and positive promotion.

    Sorry to hear about everyone that had so much invested in this race, and are being disappointed. Glad to hear you're ripping some other trails.

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    Quote Originally Posted by osokolo
    Phat Tyres has a bit more credibility...
    you're right, i don't think anyone is making a comparison between phat and this sort of shite.

    there are those that oppose abortion.
    there are those that murder doctors.

    the troubling thing is that there are ALL THESE PEOPLE, average people, normal working stiffs that have WASTED thousands on this experience.

    not only is it BAD for intermontane but it's bad for ANY first year start-up race...THIS is why people take a "wait and see" attitude.

    i wanted to feel for Chuck - because shite happens with people, between people - I didn't want to believe that it was anything more then a bad break here or there...

    the reports keep rolling in, all bad...sabotage aside...this race seems as if it would be a failure without it...the sabotage may have been a blessing...at least there is the possibility of holding someone financially accountable...in fact i feel for the sabateur (in a round-about way). HE (or SHE) is going to end up being the poster boy for failure here while the rest is white washed.

    Brad and Rachel have now dropped...
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    IMHO, a lot of the problems are within the organizer's control.

    It's weird, there are many of us who feel like this has been a disaster, but there are still people out there who are having the time of their life. "Greatest race ever" was something I saw on twitter. Good for them, glad they're getting their money's worth.

    Perhaps the biggest dissapointment of all: The trails suck. The much-hyped Kamloops singletrack has been dry, loose, dusty, rutted doubletrack, moto trails, and hiking trails. There has been less than 10 km of what I would consider good MTB singletrack. Even the bad trails back in Whitehorse are better than this.

    We'll keep the XC bikes at home next time and ride our own trails. Next bike trip will be a bike park trip for sure. Still buzzed from yesterday on Silver Star.

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    interesting about silver star... might just have to go there to check it out.

    what i find interesting in these posts is to what degree the "sunk cost effect" plays.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nogearshere
    you're right, i don't think anyone is making a comparison between phat and this sort of shite.

    there are those that oppose abortion.
    there are those that murder doctors.

    the troubling thing is that there are ALL THESE PEOPLE, average people, normal working stiffs that have WASTED thousands on this experience.

    not only is it BAD for intermontane but it's bad for ANY first year start-up race...THIS is why people take a "wait and see" attitude.

    i wanted to feel for Chuck - because shite happens with people, between people - I didn't want to believe that it was anything more then a bad break here or there...

    the reports keep rolling in, all bad...sabotage aside...this race seems as if it would be a failure without it...the sabotage may have been a blessing...at least there is the possibility of holding someone financially accountable...in fact i feel for the sabateur (in a round-about way). HE (or SHE) is going to end up being the poster boy for failure here while the rest is white washed.

    Brad and Rachel have now dropped...
    Actually the problem if race sabotage is far more prevalent then is acknowledged. Ask any course setter and race director how many times it happens. It happens at every single event.

    Though I think it's a bit more prevalent in Ontario. That is simply because most races occur in places like Dundas, Albion, Kelso, and so on. Conservation areas that can be accessed at any point by anyone.

    In regards to the race crew, I suspect that they where understaffed. Because in a ideal situation he would have had 2 people who would have been out to check the course that morning. Especially knowing that threats had been made.

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    Quote Originally Posted by osokolo
    Some riders got seriously hurt in BC due to the vandalism... I hope the police gets to the bottom of it and riders recover successfully...
    Neither of the Cannondale riders' injuries can be blamed on the vandalism. Jeramiah went off the the trail and injured himself in Kenna Cartwright Park near the end of the race which was on the originally planned route. The trails there are considered to be fairly recreational. Of course if you're flying down a trail and you miss a turn...there are some good drop offs. The other rider was injured the following day. The trails used on day 3 and 4 can be great fun...when you're fresh. They can be challenging and coordination is important.

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    It's getting ugly. Chuck had Kelly, who was watching the race, removed by the police. I don't think Chuck has many bridges left he can burn in Kamloops. Man Kelly, what made you and Dustin go in on this race with Chuck?

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    Quote Originally Posted by gone_riding
    It's getting ugly. Chuck had Kelly, who was watching the race, removed by the police. I don't think Chuck has many bridges left he can burn in Kamloops. Man Kelly, what made you and Dustin go in on this race with Chuck?
    It is really to bad about this. Makes all of kamloops look bad.

    Really there is a wicked XC ride community in Kamloops with lots of decent XC trails.

    If anybody ever recovers from the trama of this race and wants someone to show them some decent XC trails in Kamloops look me up. Just don't come in the summer, July and August are not the months to ride in the loops.

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    Wow. What grounds would Chuck have for doing that to Kelly?

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    Who saw Kelly getting removed and does anyone know why. How many racers were left in this fiasco? How many categories got their prize money that was originally called for. The prize list was the big marketing draw and after the reg refund deadline, the prize money changes. I am wanting to hear from others as it just seems all to weird to believe, I am beginning to feel embarrassed that this event took place in "my" province and with "my" tax dollars. I say this because BCLC is a Gove enity and Tourism Kamloops is still part of BC and gets some funding from the provincial gov (BC).

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    Quote Originally Posted by LMN
    Just don't come in the summer, July and August are not the months to ride in the loops.
    It's not so bad here, you just have to ride earlier in the morning. This year has been exceptionally warm. That said, I wouldn't have chosen mid summer to hold this event. The old Stomp loop at Stake Lake is nice since it's in the shade, but you've got to like cross-country. Stake Lake to Inx Lake is also mainly in the shade, but the tail end gets a fair amount of motorbike traffic so not everyone might enjoy the descents but it was fun when I rode it earlier this week (before the race). That Inx Lake to Greenstone and back loop is pretty neat but there is some exposed riding so can get pretty warm.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gone_riding
    It's not so bad here, you just have to ride earlier in the morning. This year has been exceptionally warm. That said, I wouldn't have chosen mid summer to hold this event. The old Stomp loop at Stake Lake is nice since it's in the shade, but you've got to like cross-country. Stake Lake to Inx Lake is also mainly in the shade, but the tail end gets a fair amount of motorbike traffic so not everyone might enjoy the descents but it was fun when I rode it earlier this week (before the race). That Inx Lake to Greenstone and back loop is pretty neat but there is some exposed riding so can get pretty warm.
    I always get out of the loops for july and august. I am hanging out at Bromont right now enjoying the rain.

    Those are all good rides. Speaking of kamloops rides have you been on the new trail that connects the top of Pete Creek to Rio?

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    I have indeed. I found it accidentally when riding with a friend (saw a single set of tracks going there and decided to follow). We were both quite stoked. What's nice is that you can't really tell it's there from either end. There's a whole bunch of stuff I've only "discovered" this year upper and lower PC, the one that C built coming up to the power line, blood bag, honeycomb. I need to ride more often on that side.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gone_riding
    I have indeed. I found it accidentally when riding with a friend (saw a single set of tracks going there and decided to follow). We were both quite stoked. What's nice is that you can't really tell it's there from either end. There's a whole bunch of stuff I've only "discovered" this year upper and lower PC, the one that C built coming up to the power line, blood bag, honeycomb. I need to ride more often on that side.
    Wait until the fall. There is some significant trail work projects on the horizon. All on that side of town though.

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    Forgot to add. Tinker didn't start the day today. He went off course yesterday so didn't bother. Someone said he went through a gate that was normally locked. It had been opened for some road work. That said. I can't recall a gate on the Inx Lake trail. So either he was already off course or it was on the return trip to town. So Chris is the overall winner. Paul Berry was doing well after 4 stages but wore a new pair of shorts on stage 4 with a chamois that shredded his butt so much that he has difficulty sitting. Therefore he didn't start the final stage. It's too bad, he put in a lot of work for that race. Chuck owes him big time.

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    WOW!!!
    After all that has happened this summer does anyone want to admit that MTB races should be held at places that are suited for it? I still see that people feel that running a race over ANY singletrack is just fine and dandy. Everyone should welcome events like this. There is a problem here and it is not with the attitude of the builders. People are pissed that they spent a lot of money…try having years of work wrecked. I am not looking for a fight, it finds me, but you people who support this stuff with your money should really have an open discussion here and now about the trail impacts you have during a race!!!
    At the Hardwood 8 hour… did you notice any difference between the Hardwood trails and the Wilderness side of the road?

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    Well, if I may quote the racer who finished second, can't remember which country he hails from, yesterday's course was held on "real mountain biking trails". This guy is an excellent bike handler which allowed him to be very competitive. Some of the racers aren't used to that. Tinker even said that he was amazed on how fast some riders rode down some of the descents this week. There's nothing wrong with having courses like that except that potential participants need to know in case it's not the kind of course they want. Some riders prefer non technical trails and others otherwise.

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    Yeah make Chuck answer to the big guys
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    Just to let everyone know we had a very big wind storm a couple days before, and everyone in Kamloops knows after a night like that ( the wind) your gonna need to clear the trails on greenstone. Chuck should have known better instead, he is trying to pass the buck of his failing race due to poor organization on to Jeff who is a respected member of the mountain bike community here in Kamloops. I suggest people start asking locals how they feel about Brennan. He has done nothing but burn bridges in the planning of this race for his own finacial gain. Greed creates monster with no compasion or reason.
    Everyone needs to lay off Jeff that is for sure. Instead maybe they should all be angry at the person who is truly responsable Chuck Brennan

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    "Tinker even said that he was amazed on how fast some riders rode down some of the descents this week"
    I have no idea what happened out there...but there was a race here on smaller hills and after the race we had lots of skid marks, trail widening and braking ruts. These trails did not have that before, but after one day they appeared.
    Racing on trails is a whole different animal then recreational riding and should be treated as such.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Phat Tyred
    WOW!!!
    After all that has happened this summer does anyone want to admit that MTB races should be held at places that are suited for it? I still see that people feel that running a race over ANY singletrack is just fine and dandy. Everyone should welcome events like this. There is a problem here and it is not with the attitude of the builders. People are pissed that they spent a lot of money…try having years of work wrecked. I am not looking for a fight, it finds me, but you people who support this stuff with your money should really have an open discussion here and now about the trail impacts you have during a race!!!
    At the Hardwood 8 hour… did you notice any difference between the Hardwood trails and the Wilderness side of the road?
    You know, if you left it alone and periodically- meaning once and awhile made a comment you would be more believeable. Right now you are sounding way to much like one of those "Born Again" religious nut jobs who out to save everyone.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Phat Tyred
    I got it all together, but I forgot where I put it.
    I think Enduramil just told you where to put it. (see below)
    Sorry, I couldn't resist.
    By the way, Tinker was seen walking with a fishing rod before the race so I think we can guess what he was doing while others were racing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Phat Tyred
    Racing on trails is a whole different animal then recreational riding and should be treated as such.
    Can't say that I agree. Sometimes I go faster on sections on a casual ride, sometimes I go quicker on sections during a race. YMMV.

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    There is a second version of this "sabotage" story and all the finger pointing at Jeff Sykes. I have recently heard from someone speaking with Jeff that he wasn't up on Greenstone that evening and as a matter of a fact his chain saw was in the shop so the accusation he was ruining the trail proved to be far from the truth. He has been dealing with the police for a few days and it sounds like it was wrapped up with him explaining he had taken the tape down over a week before and he had contacted the organizer prior to that. Apparently when asked if the race would be willing to fix the trail once the race was through, the head organizer laughed at Jeff. So it sounds like there is a bit more to this story then may meet the eye.

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    I've also heard that Jeff asked if he could be reimbursed for the gas his chainsaw used when he cleared the trail this spring (not an unreasonable request since Chuck would have had to do it). Chuck refused. So I have a feeling that it may not have been so much as stopping a race but rather stopping Chuck's race. Of course this is third hand information.

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    So sorry guys.....you guys are right.....I was and am wrong......nothing wrong with racing.....call me out again and I will just shut up....do not talk trail impact......racing is so cool for every location......we all know MTBing depends on racing......good WORK guys

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    I drove all the way out from Squamish early this morning to offer what support I could....I was told to go sit in the parking lot away from the start/finish line, I sat on my cooler full of cold pops,water etc and was continually messed with and my car was even ticketed - a $50 ticket! I was cheering people on, meeting friends old and new and offering my support and not bothering anyone...most of the people racing are my friends or people I know through the sport and they were all coming up to me to talk about everything - no harm in that, we still live in a democracy right?...I followed all the stuff the cops said and obeyed, it was a huge kick in the balls and I have never been so humiliated.....after working on trying to make this event roll properly for a couple of years - the end result was not what it could have been. Kamloops is rad place to ride and deserves better, I wish I could have been a part of getting it up where it belongs with all the bikers in town. Squamish is home now for me and my wife and I wish the 'loops all the best and the riders too.Adios.

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    Ya, we get the idea. Chuck is a bad organizer...Chuck is to blame...It wasn't Jeff Sykes...

    The fact remains that someone in the Kamloops riding community is an unbelievable tool for contributing to the poor experience of many riders who had travelled long distances and incurred major expenses, probably didn't know any of the local politics, and just thought that it sounded great to come and enjoy Kamloops' local trails for a few days. Consequences for Chuck are another matter altogether. The saboteur(s) still deserve to get the book thrown at them, and I hope the RCMP manages to round them up somehow.

    BTW, sorry to both you Kelly and Dustin about the way this went down for your roles on the event management team a few months back. That has to be hard to stomach.

    Quote Originally Posted by KamloopsLocal
    There is a second version of this "sabotage" story and all the finger pointing at Jeff Sykes. I have recently heard from someone speaking with Jeff that he wasn't up on Greenstone that evening and as a matter of a fact his chain saw was in the shop so the accusation he was ruining the trail proved to be far from the truth. He has been dealing with the police for a few days and it sounds like it was wrapped up with him explaining he had taken the tape down over a week before and he had contacted the organizer prior to that. Apparently when asked if the race would be willing to fix the trail once the race was through, the head organizer laughed at Jeff. So it sounds like there is a bit more to this story then may meet the eye.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Phat Tyred
    So sorry guys.....you guys are right.....I was and am wrong......nothing wrong with racing.....call me out again and I will just shut up....do not talk trail impact......racing is so cool for every location......we all know MTBing depends on racing......good WORK guys
    OK, I'm calling you out again so that you can shut up now as per your promise above. Certainly, there are extreme circumstances where racing is not appropriate. I just find it laughable that you consider your situation from the Horseshoe marathon to fall under the category of extreme circumstances. As an organizer myself, I've already stated that I would have just walked away from a scenario where a current and active trailbuilder wouldn't give their blessing to holding an event on the trails they helped to build and maintain. At the same time, I would have arranged a sirt down beforehand with the fully deserved expectation that they would participate in discussions in good faith to find a compromise and agree on a set of terms everyone could live with that would allow the event to be take place, considering that it's not their land and the landowner had already given permission.

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    I hope no one interpreted my post as not agreeing with racing or that I was in support of ruining races for racers who spent $1 000 to come here.
    What I was trying to mention was that perhaps the fact presented about Jeff staying the night and boobie trapping trails weren't actually confirmed and he is seeking a public apology. Also living here I heard an endless amount of talk about leaving a trail legacy with the Intermontane Challenge. Laughing at a trail builder when asked if the Intermontane was willing to help fix the trail when the race was over doesn't sound like a legacy to me.

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    you are making too much sense now...

    you are not leaving him any space to come back with something negative...

    I don't see any issues with the way you are approaching race organization. I certainly hope that these simple rules are adhered to as much as possible... Trail builders' voice should be heard and if reasonable - worked with... However, I can not agree with any hostile action by trailbuilders that would put a race in jeopardy, whatsoever.

    I am also not giving race organizers a blank check - they have to live with unwritten rules of trying to leave the trail in as good condition as possible - which, yes, includes removing all race signs and trash... Damage to the trails should be mitigated, and if it is obvious that the race may cause irreparable damage to the trail system - I would support canceling or re-routing the race...

    But let's be reasonable and let's work with each other, not against each other... That is the only way this sport will be sustainable...



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    OK, I'm calling you out again so that you can shut up now as per your promise above. Certainly, there are extreme circumstances where racing is not appropriate. I just find it laughable that you consider your situation from the Horseshoe marathon to fall under the category of extreme circumstances. As an organizer myself, I've already stated that I would have just walked away from a scenario where a current and active trailbuilder wouldn't give their blessing to holding an event on the trails they helped to build and maintain. At the same time, I would have arranged a sirt down beforehand with the fully deserved expectation that they would participate in discussions in good faith to find a compromise and agree on a set of terms everyone could live with that would allow the event to be take place, considering that it's not their land and the landowner had already given permission.

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    Personally I feel sorry for the riders and the race organizers.

    As an organizer there are certain risks associated with any mountain bike stage race and course vandalism is certainly one of them. We are lucky that with Crank most of the trail systems that are very complicated are on private land that we rent and the public trail systems are quite straight forward.... plus we put a lot of resources into double checking marking.

    There is NO excuse for the course vandalism whatsoever as it is putting the racer's safety in jeopardy. Whether the vandal has a point or not, does not give them the right to act criminally. If I was the organizer I would go after them personally for the many 100s of thousands of dollars in damage they caused, then I'd be able to return the funds to the participants.

    As for race organizers being diligent in cleaning up after themselves, for sure, but we still should understand that over 100s of km of racing the organizer may miss the odd thing. Overall the organizer should leave the venue with more positive than negative, put money into new trails and get out there to maintain and put resources back into the trail system or venue.

    This event sounds like it no longer has a future. Unfortunate for everyone, it sound like it had potential.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KamloopsLocal
    I hope no one interpreted my post as not agreeing with racing or that I was in support of ruining races for racers who spent $1 000 to come here.
    $1,000 ??? That's the entry fee. What about the people who travelled from other continents, incurred signficant travel expenses, and probably used a large chunk of their annual vacation time to do so? These are people are going to go home and report that Kamloops and its residents - between the organizer and the unknown vandal(s) - are the armpit of the world. You know that's not true, I know that's not true (I have lots of buds in Kamloops who are solid folks) but I wouldn't consider it unfounded for people to leave with that opinion after this fiasco. Nice job by those who helped to create this international impression of Kamloops, B.C., and Canada. I'm sure that's what Kamloops Tourism had in mind when investing in this event to help bring new economic actvity to the area.

    Quote Originally Posted by KamloopsLocal
    What I was trying to mention was that perhaps the fact presented about Jeff staying the night and boobie trapping trails weren't actually confirmed and he is seeking a public apology.
    That's very unfortunate if Jeff is being falsely accused of the tampering (I don't kow the truth, and have no comment) but the readership of this Eastern Canada forum is probably a couple of hundred people, the vast majority of whom don't know and will never meet Jeff. If you want to campaign for Jeff's innocence, maybe start with the tens of thousands of Kamloops locals who have read about it in their local news and are more likely to actually come into contact with Jeff?

    What, if anything, is the local Kamloops riding community doing to "police" itself in this matter and help the RCMP in its investigation? Someone must know something. Not trying to bag on you too badly, just that it seems like your priorities are;

    1. Absolve Jeff.
    2. Crucify Chuck.
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    99. Achieve some resolution for the riders.

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    I travel through Canada for work and I usually try to take my bike with me, I can see now that when I do have to visit Kamloops, I'll leave the bike at home. This whole thing has left a bad impression on the riding community there and I am not sure that i would want my tires to ride through that kind of mud.

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    Jeff has already been absolved by the RCMP. He has an alibi for the morning of the "sabotage".
    I hope the local papers print a retraction at some point but it seems doubtful

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    Quote Originally Posted by Phat Tyred
    So sorry guys.....you guys are right.....I was and am wrong......nothing wrong with racing.....call me out again and I will just shut up....do not talk trail impact......racing is so cool for every location......we all know MTBing depends on racing......good WORK guys
    EDIT (I regret this before posting, but I blame the BEER and RUM)

    At least you admit you were wrong above.
    I hope that the organizer of any event in Simcoe County would not have found out about YOUR favorite trails because of this:

    http://web.archive.org/web/200306051...ity/wander.asp

    Surprisingly I found this link quite close to the thread:

    http://trails.mtbr.com/cat/trails-ar...3_4528crx.aspx

    here is another one:

    http://www.jaggedpath.com/index.php?...viewtopic&t=25

    And I do hope that Phat was involved in this to protect HIS trails:

    http://ccforums.ipbhost.com/index.ph...rt=#entry12629

    Dam BEER courage.

    Stosh

    PS. Phat. - Thank you for building, well maybe just advertising, every (most? some of the?) trails everywhere that I may ride or run upon in the Simcoe County area. Heck if it was not for your self sacrifice I would not have to deal with motorcycles or horses or maybe even logging on the County of Simcoes property.
    If you happen to see my lungs back there, tell them I've gone on ahead.

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