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    Interesting New OCA Event Organizer Detail

    So, I was just poking through the shiny new Expression of Interest form to submit for the Good Friday Road Race and came upon this paragraph:

    Quote Originally Posted by OCA
    For 2012, the organizer of record within the group hosting an event must hold an Ontario UCI license with the ORG designation. In order to receive this designation, the license holder must have passed a provincial level commissaireís course within the discipline of the event being organized. If the organizer does not purchase a 2012 license before their full Event Permit is due, their event will be immediately removed from the calendar.
    So, if I read that right, it means that there are suddenly going to be a lot more qualified Commissaires out there for 2012. I, for instance, am not a Road Commissaire so, I'm now technically not permitted to be Race Director unless I do the two-day course.

    Presumably, this applies to everything from DH to BMX to CX so... wow!
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    i guess they need to pad their budget for 2012...

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    So they're changing the roll of the Commissionaire?

    From what I understand, in the past the organizer has set up the event and the Commie advises on safety and UCI/CCA/OCA conformity. Now the Commie is useless unless they are organizing an event for the club.

    If we're all Commissaries and run safe events following UCI guidelines, what do we need the OCA for and can they say a rogue event is unsafe if the organizer is trained in their "school"?

    Since I am a race director for the SHCC I was hoping to take the Commie course this past summer for MTB but they didn't have any. IIRC they held only 1 course for the road and that was in August.

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    Perhaps the most interesting thing about it is that I'd already filled out the 2012 Expression of Interest form which WAS due today but late last week, I got this new "Version 1.05" that's due on November 14th.

    I was scanning the new one to see what the difference was and THAT was it!
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    So is someone in the HCC a Commissaire or is the Good Friday Race not going to happen in 2012?

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    We have a Road Commissaire on the executive so I'm sure we'll figure something out but I don't think he was planning on being Race Director...
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    Seems a bit heavy-handed. Not sure how/if this relates to our situation in B.C., which is that some regions have a shortage of commissaires relative to the number of events in that region. Being a commissaire is a thankless "job" (if we can call a job something that doesn't pay more than a pittance) and so there isn't exactly a big crowd lining up to become certified. As a result, some local organizers are getting hit hard by having to pay significant travel expenses to import commissaires for events.

    There have been many discussions about how to motivate people to take on commissaire certification as a form of volunteerism critical to sustaining organized events, including trying to have clubs that organize events effectively solve their own problem in this regard by having one or more commissaires within each club. I'm trying to figure out how that situation in B.C. may be linked to this new directive in Ontario, but I'm not seeing the connection since the race director role should probably be separate and distinct from the commissaire role, and maybe even a requirement depending on the type of event sanction?

    Definitely not a cash grab - the money collected for courses minus costs for course instructors is going to represent a proverbial grain of sand on the beach. Having race directors trained as commissaires isn't a bad thing (the knowledge of how to interface with commissaires in commie-speak) but does Ontario really have such a glut of events that it can put up barriers like this to event organizers?

    Are safety and potential liability claims arising from recent years of events in Ontario placing insurance reasonably priced insurance coverage, such that the broker and insurer have requested this extra level of training and certification from the race directors?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Circlip View Post
    Are safety and potential liability claims arising from recent years of events in Ontario placing insurance reasonably priced insurance coverage, such that the broker and insurer have requested this extra level of training and certification from the race directors?
    It was such a hasty addendum that there must be some kind major incentive/directive to get it done.

    We're already written the OCA for clarification.
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    Quote Originally Posted by garage monster View Post
    We have a Road Commissaire on the executive so I'm sure we'll figure something out but I don't think he was planning on being Race Director...
    Within our club the race director usually does the heavy lifting prior to race day for coordinating all the elements that go into the event i.e. it's a big job. However, over the years we have had a couple of situations where our usual race director for a specific event isn't available on the race day. In that case, the "shadow director" still usually does all the prep work in the months prior, but for the event sanction paperwork and race day the reigns of official race director are handed over to someone who is planned in advance to be there on site. That way the person who doesn't really want to be a race director doesn't get a huge load of extra work dumped on them.

    Works OK, although sometimes the race day race director is left with a bit of head-scratching not having been privy to all the little details from prep in the months prior.

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    Quote Originally Posted by garage monster View Post
    We've already written the OCA for clarification.
    Here's the skinny:

    Quote Originally Posted by OCA
    This has always been in place but loosely enforced. The idea is that everyone will have a level c by the time they run their event and not necessarily before they submit their EOI. Therefore someone like yourself can submit the EOI then take a course in the late winter. I will be working with our TD for road to make sure that we have a sufficient amount of courses to meet the demand.
    Looks like I might become a Commissaire this Winter I guess!
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    Quote Originally Posted by garage monster View Post
    Looks like I might become a Commissaire this Winter I guess!
    Bet you a beer they don't organize a course before your event.
    Just a hunch.

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    Quote Originally Posted by garage monster View Post
    Here's the skinny:



    Looks like I might become a Commissaire this Winter I guess!
    Sure, why not. It's not like you have anything else on the go, right?
    Strava made me do it....

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    Why am I picturing one of those classic Patrick O'Grady anti UCI cartoons when I read this?

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    Maybe a fitness test would be a better requirement. Saddle up Fagan.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nspace View Post
    Maybe a fitness test would be a better requirement. Saddle up Fagan.
    I didn't know Castelli made lycra bib shorts in relaxed fit.

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    Nothing is relaxed fit on Fagan

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    Quote Originally Posted by thedumbopinion View Post
    Bet you a beer they don't organize a course before your event.
    Just a hunch.
    Well, they pulled it off. I'm going in for Road Commissaire training on the weekend of the 18th! (And this Sunday, I'm going to the Road Race Organiser's meeting too. Yay.)

    So, it looks like you owe me a beer!
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    Quote Originally Posted by garage monster View Post
    Well, they pulled it off. I'm going in for Road Commissaire training on the weekend of the 18th! (And this Sunday, I'm going to the Road Race Organiser's meeting too. Yay.)
    I believe you mean the 11th? I will see you there

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    Quote Originally Posted by jmoote View Post
    I believe you mean the 11th? I will see you there
    Doh! You're right! My mind's all a jumble!
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    Quote Originally Posted by garage monster View Post
    Well, they pulled it off...
    So, it looks like you owe me a beer!
    Yup. Got to hand it to the OCA they have become more organized this year. I've noticed it from the coaching side.

    I'll be taking the MTB Commie course in April.

    As for that beer...any time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thedumbopinion View Post
    Yup. Got to hand it to the OCA they have become more organized this year. I've noticed it from the coaching side.
    I've found that the Race Permit Application process is a lot more rigorous this year too.
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    Got word this morning that I have officially passed the "book learnin'" part of Road Commissaire training. Now I'm qualified to have the ORG code appended to my UCI license. Whew!

    It was a long two days but if you're interested in the inner-workings of the sport, it was also very enlightening.

    In order to actually become a Commissaire (RCC gets added to your license), I still need to do two practical assignments (assist Commissaires at a race as a Technical Assistant). From there, it's just a short hop to becomming a CX Commissaire.
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    Congrats. You are almost properly qualified now to be the recipient of a lifetime of abuse as a reward for your volunteer efforts. j/k 99% of people are quite thankful and pleasant. Those 1% outliers sure have a way of sticking in one's memory though, from events, or general interactions out on casual trail rides.

    Quote Originally Posted by garage monster View Post
    Got word this morning that I have officially passed the "book learnin'" part of Road Commissaire training. Now I'm qualified to have the ORG code appended to my UCI license. Whew!

    It was a long two days but if you're interested in the inner-workings of the sport, it was also very enlightening.

    In order to actually become a Commissaire (RCC gets added to your license), I still need to do two practical assignments (assist Commissaires at a race as a Technical Assistant). From there, it's just a short hop to becomming a CX Commissaire.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Circlip View Post
    Congrats. You are almost properly qualified now to be the recipient of a lifetime of abuse as a reward for your volunteer efforts. j/k 99% of people are quite thankful and pleasant. Those 1% outliers sure have a way of sticking in one's memory though, from events, or general interactions out on casual trail rides.
    One of the exercises we did was a mock ITT where I was playing the role of Chief Commissaire and I fined a guy $50 for "unseemly behaviour" in my Communique.
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    Quote Originally Posted by garage monster View Post
    One of the exercises we did was a mock ITT where I was playing the role of Chief Commissaire and I fined a guy $50 for "unseemly behaviour" in my Communique.
    From my experience the best at this are those who don't walk around barking and such. Basically everything Mr Fagan does not do. Mind you those like that are people who used to race and may still race so come at it from a different perspective then the types.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Circlip View Post
    Congrats. You are almost properly qualified now to be the recipient of a lifetime of abuse as a reward for your volunteer efforts. j/k 99% of people are quite thankful and pleasant. Those 1% outliers sure have a way of sticking in one's memory though, from events, or general interactions out on casual trail rides.
    So.. doing the George Hincapie on the Commisaire is not a good idea?

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    Just got my practicum assignments. Looks like I'll be watching all the suffering at Bronte and Springbank and then by the Niagara Classic, I'll actually be a Commissaire! I can feel the rush of power already!
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    Quote Originally Posted by garage monster View Post
    Just got my practicum assignments. Looks like I'll be watching all the suffering at Bronte and Springbank and then by the Niagara Classic, I'll actually be a Commissaire! I can feel the rush of power already!
    Please don't give me any warnings

    I'll be on the other side of things for the first two, but it looks like we're working together for the Niagara Classic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jmoote View Post
    I'll be on the other side of things for the first two, but it looks like we're working together for the Niagara Classic.
    lol, I'll be your boss!
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    Quote Originally Posted by garage monster View Post
    lol, I'll be your boss!
    I'm going to get gear rollout duty for sure! Actually, my first race as a proper Commissaire is as Chief(!) for the youth race at Tour de Terra Cotta.

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    So, I had my first day as a Technical Assistant at yesterday's Tour of Bronte road race.

    When I was orginally looking at the Road Commissaire calendar, I was looking for two things from my first race: I wanted to start with something small and I wanted to be close to home. Bingo!

    Due to lower than expected registration, the entire event was scaled back to a Citizen's event with three races: Beginner, Intermediate and Elite.

    The 11AM Beginner race had about 40 riders and I was shadowing the Finish Judge. After the start, we got to our post and in about 13 minutes, the peloton came through.

    Well, I got COMPLETELY shelled! I didn't get the numbers of the leaders nor did I get an accurate count. It was a complete mess.

    Thankfully, the Commissaires were very helpful (after they stopped laughing at me) in sharing their tips and tricks and by the final lap, I was pretty much sorted out.

    For the Intermediate race, I shadowed the Mobile Commissaire. Now that was a fun job and my "boss" was excellent at showing me how to handle the scoring and radio duties. I was starting to feel a little better about myself.

    For the final race, I was back as Finish Judge. Even with the bigger field (50+) of MUCH faster riders, this time I nailed it. Whew!

    The whole experience was quite neat and it's definitely given me a new appreciation for the role of the Commissaires. Getting to see racing from the perspective of a racer, an organizer and now, an official has been extremely educational.

    Next Sunday, I'm on duty at the Springbank "Criterium" which should be a whole new ball of wax. I'm told that once you Judge a crit, you're pretty much ready for anything!
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    Sounds like a fun and interesting experience.

    I'm looking forward to my Tech. Assistant assignments. I have to do one XC and one Downhill. Which should be educational since I know almost nothing about downhill.

    Fingers crossed my downhill isn't at Camp Fortune.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thedumbopinion View Post

    I'm looking forward to my Tech. Assistant assignments. I have to do one XC and one Downhill. Which should be educational since I know almost nothing about downhill.

    Talk about a steep learning curve. Sounds almost like taking a Nordic technical delegate and telling him "Oh, By the way you also need to be proficient in DH ski racing".

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    Had my second Tech Assistant gig yesterday at the Springbank Crit. I was with the finish judge for the E4/M3 (hectic) race and the E1/2/M1 (flawless) races, the Pit for the E3/M2 race and Mobile for the Women. Busy day!

    I specifically picked this race because I wanted to have a crit under my belt while I was still in training mode. It's the race format I'm least familiar with and I needed some time to see it in action. Much to my surprise, there are a lot of racers who seemed unfamiliar with the rules too!

    I recorded results for nearly 100 laps of racing by the end of the day, which is a LOT. When I went to bed, I was STILL seeing numbers in my head!

    Again, the Commissaires were great and they helped me out a lot with my dumb questions.

    So that's it. I'm all set to be a Commissaire for the Niagara Classic!
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    Awesome to hear that Marc. I bet it was a good learning experience especially if you've never so much as raced a crit, never mind scored one.

    While you went to bed seeing numbers, I was left imagining left turns and guys diving on the inside of corners. Crit racing is fun, until it isn't.

    See you at Niagara!

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    Quote Originally Posted by jmoote View Post
    Crit racing is fun, until it isn't.
    Speaking of which, I saw some of the aftermath of the 7-man pile-up in your race. Moog's bike was a total mess! An entire chainstay was missing!
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    Yes I know. I was right behind that, and had to lock it up into a 2 wheel drift then head for the trees and up the grassy hill.

    Thankfully everyone walked away from that but Pete's bike was totalled, among other things. He's had some bad luck this season with this falling just after he had recovered from a broken wrist at P-A.

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    Digging up an old thread...

    Well I (finally) had my first Tech. Assistant experience yesterday at Horseshoe for Downhill OCup 1. And because the Tuf Rack crew is such a great group of guys it was an absolute blast. They even BBQíd lunch for us.

    Because I didnít get a UCI license last year I wasnít able to commsaire any events in 2012. I decided this year to get it done and have some fun.

    I ended up shadowing the Chief all day. She gave me a lot of good tips (including how to stay warm and bring your own coffee) and took me from station to station where I was able to see how the starts, the organizer, reg. and timing all work. The day started with a course inspection and when we got to the top of the hill it started snowing. It continued to snow on and off all day. Some people were complaining but I thought it made the event so much better. Standing in the start gate and not being able to see half way down the hill added to the atmosphere.

    There was a bit of drama when before the elite race the Chief decided to take a look at how the rock garden was holding up. When we got there a rider crashed hard in front of us (only crash of the day). Fortunately it also happed right in front of the medics and they were there in about 15 seconds. The rider ended up with only a minor injury.

    It was my first experience in downhill racing (and riding) and Iíll say this about itÖGET OUT AND SUPPORT THE SERIES. If you can race than race it. If you canít race then go and cheer on the riders. They even have a hardtail category. The organizers are doing it strictly for the love of the sport and it absolutely shows.

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    I too was out Commissairing yesterday up at the Lake of Bays O-Cup in Huntsville. That was some event!

    I helped with the Junior Women roll-out and the early starts but my primary assignment was COM1 for the Elite 1/2 Men, which was two laps of the Lake of Bays, for a total of about 170km. Once I started the race, I dashed out to my car and got my driver going. It began with 43 riders and wrapped up some 5 hours later with a "peloton" of 4 and the winner off the front a few minutes down the road. There were 13 finishers in all.

    We had every weather condition imaginable, from beaming sun to pelting sleet, all topped off with a seemingly constant brutal headwind. Everyone that finished the race gets a big gold star from me - it was a devastating thing to watch.

    I judged the M1 Men's finish and helped out with the rest and I was absolutely frozen by the time I was done. Unreal.
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    Quote Originally Posted by garage monster View Post
    I too was out Commissairing yesterday up at the Lake of Bays O-Cup in Huntsville. That was some event!

    I helped with the Junior Women roll-out and the early starts but my primary assignment was COM1 for the Elite 1/2 Men, which was two laps of the Lake of Bays, for a total of about 170km. Once I started the race, I dashed out to my car and got my driver going. It began with 43 riders and wrapped up some 5 hours later with a "peloton" of 4 and the winner off the front a few minutes down the road. There were 13 finishers in all.

    We had every weather condition imaginable, from beaming sun to pelting sleet, all topped off with a seemingly constant brutal headwind. Everyone that finished the race gets a big gold star from me - it was a devastating thing to watch.

    I judged the M1 Men's finish and helped out with the rest and I was absolutely frozen by the time I was done. Unreal.
    I think the motorcycle escort with the E1/2 race deserves a medal as well, that was just nuts yesterday.

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