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    Hiton Falls/Agreement Forest Conditions

    How are the conditions at Hilton? I was planning on heading there tomorrow or Sunday for some fat biking. I don't care about paying and parking at Hilton Falls, but is it better to come in through the Mowhak Track side or to ride up from the parking lot?
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    Halton Conservation parks are closed till Jan 2 due to the ice storm. I'd think trails are basically unrideable due to trees and branches down, there may have been some cleanup done, but I'm sure there was a lot of damage, I know people in the area still without hydro. I was out there a week ago Monday, was shocked at the lack of riding on the trails, snow was too deep for my nonfat bike, not much squishing had been done before the ice storm.

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    Turkey Point was perfect yesterday. I'll be heading up again on Saturday.

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    I was planning on getting out and doing some fat biking at Hilton this weekend. Any updates on conditions would be appreciated.
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    Quote Originally Posted by secret agent View Post
    I was planning on getting out and doing some fat biking at Hilton this weekend. Any updates on conditions would be appreciated.
    A couple posts on facebook suggest that it's not very icy (in the trails, parking lot another story) and good to go for both fat/skinny tires . Sounds like enough clearing of downfall has taken place that a descent ride can be linked together. This is in reference to starting at Mohawk, not Hilton proper.

    I'm intending on heading there tonight and will update

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    Much appreciated. I am just getting over a cold but should be up for it on Saturday. I plan on heading out tonight, but I am keeping it local and probably short. Where on FB are you looking?
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    Hilton Falls CA is still closed due to trees down and still no hydro. I've heard Halton Forest @ Mohawk conditions are good on the trails that have been opened. I think about 4 or 5 loops are open now, lots to ride. I'll be there Satuday morning.

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    Quote Originally Posted by secret agent View Post
    Much appreciated. I am just getting over a cold but should be up for it on Saturday. I plan on heading out tonight, but I am keeping it local and probably short. Where on FB are you looking?
    Defiant MTB. Check them out. They run lots of rides in there and have been organizing clean up crews. Peter W. is the godfather of Agreement forest.

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    Entered from Mohawk tonight. With the exception of the parking lot, the trails were pretty much mint (at least what had cleared and pack down). Pretty easy to follow. With the fatbike you could explore far more easily, but there appears to be enough trampled down for a steady 1.5 hour ride on a regular bike.

    Trails were not icy at all (the entry trail, just a little). I don't think many regular winter riding places around here can say that. Will be spending a good chunk of the weekend in there both Sat and Sun

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    Thanks again. I will be heading out tomorrow around lunch time after I get my chores done. They never seem to get done after rides.
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    Quote Originally Posted by secret agent View Post
    Thanks again. I will be heading out tomorrow around lunch time after I get my chores done. They never seem to get done after rides.
    Should be out at a relatively similar time. If you see two fatties and two puppies, say hello.

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    OK, I've looked all over, but I can't find out where this agreement forest is.

    I know where the Hilton Falls trails are, where there is cross country skiing in winter, but you guys keep mentioning Mohawk Raceway and the Agreement forest.

    Are these different locations?

    I've found a few links in response for people asking for directions, but they're either gone now or don't show the trail entrance.

    Could someone post a map or specific directions to this trail?

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    The trail head is across the street from the racetrack. There is a small parking lot there as well. The parking lot is hidden from view somewhat.

    I'll be sure to stop and say hello Cpt. I love dogs. I have never been stopped so much since I got the fat bike by hikers and other cyclists. It was at least 4 times at Dundas Valley and one couple took pictures. Lots of people love the fatties.
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    SHORTHILLS CYCLING CLUB ? View topic - Campbellville, ON ~ Hilton Falls - GPS & Trail Maps

    Quote Originally Posted by sputnikcdn View Post
    OK, I've looked all over, but I can't find out where this agreement forest is.

    I know where the Hilton Falls trails are, where there is cross country skiing in winter, but you guys keep mentioning Mohawk Raceway and the Agreement forest.

    Are these different locations?

    I've found a few links in response for people asking for directions, but they're either gone now or don't show the trail entrance.

    Could someone post a map or specific directions to this trail?

    Thanks

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    This map includes Hilton & Agreement Forest. It was posted a few years ago by someone on the forum.

    http://fcdn.mtbr.com/attachments/eas...ntable_map.pdf

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    Hiton Falls/Agreement Forest Conditions-hilton_printable_map-1-_page_2.jpg
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    Wow, thanks everyone, for the great response! The entrance is not at all where I expected (I thought it was on the East side of the region!) and there seems to be a helluva lot more trails than I remember.

    Last time I rode at Hilton Falls, only the green line (or something like that) was a proper mountain bike trail...

    One of these days I'll get in there.

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    There is very limited parking on 6th line which is on the East side.
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    Thank you very much for the heads up on the trail conditions out in th AF, tonight's ride was sweet. Grip is good, the trail is packed nicely and we were able to get a good hustle on.

    Ride on!
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    OMG that map! So awesome, thank you.

    Any chance of sharing a higher resolution?

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    Another access point is the intersection of 10 sideroad and Fourth LIne, it''s wide enough to park 4 or 5 cars there. you can head south on the road allowance to the Mohawk stuff or south then east to the pines or the other trails that are shown on the map. the road allowance was a little icy and hadn't been ridden much last night...
    Hey Todd, was that you in the group of three last night just before dark? There was 2 of us going the other way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Greg_o View Post
    OMG that map! So awesome, thank you.

    Any chance of sharing a higher resolution?
    Here you go:


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    Thanks SuprGrovr!!!

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    The conditions at Hilton were perfect today. Saw mostly fatties in there. But did not see the Cpt. And the two dogs. No ice to be found and it is perfect for skinny tires in there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by secret agent View Post
    The conditions at Hilton were perfect today. Saw mostly fatties in there. But did not see the Cpt. And the two dogs. No ice to be found and it is perfect for skinny tires in there.
    Great day in there. Got a 2.5 hour ride in. Sorry I didn't see you.

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    Heading over to AF on Saturday noonish. If anyone has any update on conditions please let me know. If you see a guy on a Beargrease with a blue jacket, say hello.
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    On Sunday most trails were darn near perfect, 5 bridges was potholey with footprints and the bridges themselves are icy (I rode off 2 of them). conditions should be about the same, depending on how much snow we get tomorrow. Saturday is supposed to get cold and windy in the afternoon, a morning ride might be a little warmer!

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    thanks, i was there last saturday and indeed perfect conditions. I will get there as early as I can.
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    Trails will not likely be as perfect as last week due to drifting. Some may be a tough slog!

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    Lots of snow in there. Made no progress on the fatties today. Luckily had the snowshoes in the car and did 4-5 km. They are definitely the weapon of choice till some traffic gets through there.

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    So, chances of being able to ride in there tomorrow on regular tires?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jduffett View Post
    So, chances of being able to ride in there tomorrow on regular tires?
    No chance, unless there happened to be an adventure snowshoe race there this afternoon.

    There was 6+ inches of fresh powder in there and it wasn't packing down very well with the cold temperatures. It's gonna take lots of foot traffic.

    The group we had last weeks has all bailed in favour of ski's and snowshoes.

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    I heard the same thing from someone else and bailed on AF yesterday. I did an extended ride in the Culham trail. Ran into a guy with a Bigfoot and we ended up on a 2 hour plus trek. Sometimes things just work out. The whole trail system is perfect for fat biking right now. Ran into a guy with skinny tires, but he did not look to be having a lot of fun.
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    Thread revival...

    any riders been out to the AF recently? Was hoping to do a ride there tomorrow.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hmto View Post
    Thread revival...

    any riders been out to the AF recently? Was hoping to do a ride there tomorrow.
    Drove by on my road bike and there were cars at the 6th line lot. But I've not been there on the bike, sorry.

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    I'll drop by for a couple hrs and see how it is. Shouldn't be too soft otherwise we'll just stay on the rocks LOL

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    Quote Originally Posted by hmto View Post
    Thread revival...

    any riders been out to the AF recently? Was hoping to do a ride there tomorrow.
    I was at Hilton Falls yesterday, there were a few muddy spots and some puddles, but it was officially open and the rocky trails were in great condition.

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    thanks sput, had to reschedule so will def be out next week

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    A riding buddy was out at ST Helena section yesterday and said it was quite dry and ride-able. He figures he ventured into part of the Agreement Forest, but everywhere he rode was pretty good.
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    was there last weekend and it was brutal. so many trees down on singletrack. Will take lots of volunteer days.

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    was in AF today, conditions were good, muddy in a few spots, but still very rideable, bridges were dry, rocky sections were dry as well with mud down below
    easily beats any bike path

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    Hilton falls was good, but just as decard says, muddy spots.
    Too rocky and technical for my liking though, no flow.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SO_DOGE View Post
    Too rocky and technical for my liking though, no flow.
    No flow?!?! You just have to know where to look. There is tons of flow. It just comes in sections 15-20' at a time

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    I have to agree, I had to learn to ride 20 feet ahead of my front tire
    it really helps to maintain momentum or flow thru the rocky sections
    otherwise you will have to tripod all the way thru which is neither stylish or fun

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    I will be honest, this place scared me a little at first, but once you get past the fear of crashing on rocks, there is some great riding. Nice to hear that it is a good fat bike option as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Raidthefridgeguy View Post
    I will be honest, this place scared me a little at first, but once you get past the fear of crashing on rocks, there is some great riding. Nice to hear that it is a good fat bike option as well.
    Went there for the first time today. Have only been to Puslinch and Hydrocut (getting back into Mtb after years way). I loved the technical section of Beaver Dam, it was good for my level of skill. Couldn't do much on Bent Rim, and very little on Wally and the Beav. Is the AF section very rocky? Certainly a good place to work on skills...and I can use that.

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    AF is quite rocky, but not as difficult as bent rim. Smaller rocks in general.definitely a good place to hone your technical skills. One of my favorite places to ride apart from buckwallow.
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    Was there this morning, surprisingly dry for the most part. Haven't been in a couple months, was a very nice not getting eaten alive by mosquitos this time.
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    AF is awesome all year round, but the fall is my favorite time. The bugs are gone, the leaves are just coming down, and the temperatures are perfect. The place stays fairly dry in many areas. If you avoid the southern part toward Five Bridges and stick to the Mohawk entrance trails and the stuff off 4th line and towards 6th, you can get a lot of dry trail even at this time of year. It should be completely firmed up by tonight though.
    Looking forward to fat biking in there all winter.
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    Rode there last night. Trails were awesome!! nothing beats frozen mud without ice for traction!!

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    heading there today, hope its ok to ride

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    Quote Originally Posted by deckard2 View Post
    heading there today, hope its ok to ride
    Please post the conditions when you're back....may head there tomorrow - thanks.

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    Was a bit warmer today than expected, I;m guessing around +5, pretty moist overall and muddy in some spots.
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    Hey guys - am I crazy or do I recall a pine section somewhat resembling Albion somewhere at Hilton? I remember it being pretty smooth and dry (not very hilly though of course), pretty sure it was here but can't recall, still getting used to the layout.
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    There is a pines area that is as you describe. If you come in on the 4th line entrance, it will be the first trailhead on the right. It can be accessed from the south, but it is hard to describe where that is from there. Conditions will be perfect today with the cooler weather.
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    Thanks secret agent - found it. Didn't realize there's a marked parking spot on 4th Line until today. Had tried a week or two ago from the entrance at the corner just south of there with no luck.

    Conditions were great today btw. Got asked twice by riders how to get to the HF parking, I really really hope I gave accurate directions.
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    I love that place. When combined with the HF trails, it is estimated to close to 60 km. I have done about 20 rides now and I think I finally have hit all the trails. I don't know them perfectly, but now I have a really good feel as to what area I am in and what kind of trail is there. The only place with any up and down is right across from the Mohawk parking lot. That entrance leads right to the rocky section with a few climbs. They would be pretty easy if not for the rocks.
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    Amazing conditions in there currently. Frozen ground with just traces of snow. It's probably obvious to most but interesting to me that with the trees being bare the visibility is so different. As a skier I'm disappointed with the snow so far but it's certainly a great time to ride. Probably won't be like this long.

    I think I've got the north stuff worked out pretty well, still earning all the various stuff out of the Mohawk entrance and need more time in the Wandering Lynx stuff. HF area can do with my eyes closed. That said, as I'm sure it goes with out saying, the trail maps certainly does not show all the single track.
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    hey guys, I have been heading to Hilton a lot these days. What are is AF??

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    re AF

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    Thanks.

    Me so stupid.

    I get it now Agreement Forrest. Damn, shouldnt read forums while drinking wine in front of the fire.

    Is there a higher resolution on that map?

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    Yes, there is:

    http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/xq90/811/0tgq.jpg

    Click on the pic to enlarge.

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    You sir are a Prince. thx

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    That's a pretty nice map. I have something similar that someone gave me, but once you get in there, it is easy to get all turned around. Until you learn some landmarks, you can end up going around in circles somewhat. My strategy the first dozen times was to turn on the GPS and just go. When I got tired, I would find my way out. Best way to explore this place IMO. Enjoy. There is a bunch of logging up off Fourth line. A lot of derailleur eating debris through there. I am looking forward to a bit of snow to get some awesome fat biking in.
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    Braving the cold and heading there tonight. Brrr!

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    You are a brave soul. I might go there tomorrow night or ride my local trails in Mississauga depending how late work goes. I have to get stuff done and get out to watch the Juniors play tonight.
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    It was cold, (said -14 in the car) but better than indoor spinning. trails are ok. Except for the fat bike ice rut that sucks you in, then can't ride out of without sliding. Glad I went.

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    Went out theis morning (Saturday). It was really cold in the Parking lot (-12), but once past the falls it was fine.

    Lots of ice under the snow in places.
    There was about 2-4" of snow on the trails.
    Not all the trails had traffic. I stuck to the ones other Fat riders had "groomed". It was fun.

    Bumped ito two other riders, one on a Bigfoot and the other on an orange 9sero7.
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    Heading out tomorrow with the Defiant folks. Check out the FB page for Defiant. It is a group based out of HF/AF if you were not aware of it already.
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    Was there today as well and it was great. Saw the 9zero7 leaving (MTBR member?).

    Trails were much better than expected. The double track from what I saw was is really smothed out and most of the single track was nicely broken in. Took a nice spill on snow covered rocks - snow is soft, all is good. Between this and some good ski related crashes in the last week the bodys feeling mighty limber lol.

    Tempted to check the Defiants ride tommorow and make some acquaintances but I'm likely dreaming, too much other stuff in the way atm.
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    I'm back in the morning. What time are the Defiant folks heading out?

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    Bonking ... not feelin' well

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    It was cold, (said -14 in the car) but better than indoor spinning. trails are ok. Except for the fat bike ice rut that sucks you in, then can't ride out of without sliding. Glad I went.
    Yeah Thumbs down to the guy who went out in the slush. That rut even grabbed fat bike tires. I think it's all packed in with enough snow now though.

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    Another great ride in there, an hour in, getting cold, roll up to that nice fire at the falls. Awww what timing and chance to relax before another hour. What a life.
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    Was pretty good this morning! Will likely suck after tomorrow though.

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    Had a great rip thru the AF into the Falls at Hilton today. I'm always amazed to find my way around there, getting lost, then found, then lost... Conditions were great, will be back soon!
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    In for two hours this aft, reasonable temps, primo trail conditions! We are so lucky!!!

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    Today was a fantastic day at Hilton Falls. The conditions were perfect.

    Saw four or five other fat bike riders. Followed a group of guys through a portion of the AF that I had never been to before. It was frankly some of the best trails I have ever ridden out there.

    Of course I seperated from then in an attempt to double back and got mercilessly lost. Its amazing how similar stuff looks when there are no trees and snow on the ground. I think I'm gonna get a Garmin or something. Any advice.

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    I have Garmin Edge 800 - it's way more than I need but got it as a gift and love it. Having a GPS totally changed the way I ride and AF is a prime example.

    Got really lost one night there after work, and was getting pretty tense. Had ridden about 1.5 hours in the summer, ran out of water and it was getting dark fast (not to mention the constant mosquito swarms. Was a pretty weak rider at the time so was already completely exhausted and likely not thinking straight.

    Finally got turned around and back tracking out I saw a sign facing the opposite way saying it was a closed trail. Eventually made it out but it was a frantic experience for a new rider. Never went back after work, would only go there early in the day.

    Now that I ride with GPS I purposely get lost to a:increase my distance and b:learn the network.

    Same with going to other 'new' areas ei Triple Stage, Kolapore etc - I just go in, get lost, and if I need to use the GPS to get me out I have that option.

    Totally changed the way I ride.
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    Btw went in today and the single track is icy and very 'textured'. Still fun but a completely different ride than days ago. Loud too riding on that stuff.
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    I downloaded the Gaia GPS app for the iPhone. ITs highly rated so we will see how that goes. I have an Emprum GPS boster for my phone, so that might also give better data, or not.

    I can see how it would make venturing out that much more fun.

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    Is hf/af rideable now without studs? I rode Waterdown tonight and the trails are pure ice. Guys on fatbikes were sliding all over the place. scary on decents. Fun on my studs though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by stew325 View Post
    Is hf/af rideable now without studs? I rode Waterdown tonight and the trails are pure ice. Guys on fatbikes were sliding all over the place. scary on decents. Fun on my studs though.
    I sure hope so. I'll be in there on Sunday with my Fast Traks

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    I was @ HF yesterday for some scouting - mostly iced up trails, the sneaky kind of ice where you can get some speed up, and then discover you can't turn or stop. I'd only ride with studs until we get some more snow..

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    No studs allowed in Hilton Falls/ Agreement Forest.
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    Quote Originally Posted by secret agent View Post
    No studs allowed in Hilton Falls/ Agreement Forest.
    Yeah, I don't ride there with the studs. My post wasn't clear on that, I know. The bike I ride there doesn't have them. I didn't know it was an official rule though. Thanks for the heads up May ride elsewhere until conditions change a bit. Need to work on climbs anyway.

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    The arrangement at AF with the land owners is rather complicated. I am not entirely sure how it works. I have been there a lot of times and apparently there are signs somewhere with the rules. I have been advised by several people that this is a no no. The Defiant group on FB would have more information.
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    I think the "no studs in HF" is more a suggestion than a rule. The topic was debated here a few years ago, but I'm pretty sure a regulated "no studs in Halton Forest" was not a result of the debate. I have studded tires but don't use them. (Unless it stays icy for a couple more weeks)

    It wasn't a particularly pretty debate, nor was it overly intelligent! Hilton Falls Agreement Forest/ Mohawk Raceway...

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    I don't understand the no stud rule in the winter - summer maybe - but whatever works for the owners

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    I can't find any FACTS regarding studs not being allowed.If someone has a link or a picture that wouyld be appreciated,

    Today was 13 kms of solid ice.


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    With conditions like that, you'd be hard pressed to find anyone offering up any advice as to what you can or cannot do in the AF. All the treehuggers will be at home, dreaming of carbide slipons for their hiking boots..

    Spikes make dangerous conditions, safe again. Just my $0.02...
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    Great conditions today. Just a light dusting of snow on top of a hard base of ice. Saw a bunch of Fat Tired bikes there.

    BTW, I did ask about studs and there is no ruling against them for the Hilton Falls trails anyway. They said you can ride with them, the only caution was that once the cross country ski trails open up, MTB's would not be allowed in as we mess up the trails.

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    Oh! What trails will that be on? I've never heard of that. But maybe I've never ridden on the XC ski trails. Not sure which ones they are.

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    My guess is they are refering to the double track that leads to the single track??

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    Great riding today and was a perfect temperature. Some of the less traveled single track (first southbound trail from the northern most parking area, and in Wandering Lynx section rom what I saw) were very slick, otherwise most trails have about a cm of snow over ice with enough texture it's no too slippy. Double track is in great shape, minus the icy spots.
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    How much snow did Hilton/AF collect last night? Hoping that it's a fat bike-able...
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    I am pretty certain it is glorious in there. I can't wait to go ride that tomorrow morning.
    I live about 20 minutes away tops and we did not get that much snow. I would go for it. Wish I could get out now.
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    Went this morning and it was fantastic. A few inches of fluffy powder on top of a hard ice base.

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    Absolutely perfect conditions this afternoon. Get out there while the getting is good.
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    Agreed, went this afternoon and it was great, snowed the whole time and trails, while some were 'fresh', were all great.
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