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    Hardwood 50k

    Hardwood 50km SingleTrack Challenge

    Imagine a course of 50 km or 24 km on dedicated Mountain Bike Trails, and never ride the same single track twice! No road crossings, gravel road, or other traffic to worry about. Race all of Ontario's favorite MTB trails in one day.

    Fun, Cranked, Serious, Gnarly, Radical

    Ride it Solo (can you ride it all?), or Tag Team (partner up with a friend and take turns!)
    This race is so fun. Who's planning on attending?
    I'll be doing the 50k solo singlespeed. Riding, not racing. Just a fun day on the trails at Hardwood.

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    I did it for the first time last year and had a great time. Even won a Jamis! Sweet.
    Lessons learned:
    - if you want to go a swoopy pace in the first 20km of singletrack, you have to kill yourself to get near the front (not many passing opportunities)
    - this is one race where a Camelback would have served me well. Not many good doubletrack drinking opportunities and I ended up cramping, which NEVER happens to me.

    Not going this year though...

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    I am passing on this one this year.
    Thinking the Tour de King will be my last race of the season.

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    I plan to do the race (solo singlespeed, of course). Hopefully life won't cheat me out of it.
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    It's a great ride. I'm torn between it and cyclocross Toronto...
    Strava made me do it....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Unglued View Post
    It's a great ride. I'm torn between it and cyclocross Toronto...
    Do both. Toronto cyclocross runs on both the 15th & 16th. The Sunday course is usually the better one too.
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    Doing the 50k! Should be interesting since I have not done a whole heck of a lot this year where riding is concerned!!

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    is this race more just for like-to cycle guys?
    And one more question: will flat tires work well there?))

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lilfoo View Post
    is this race more just for like-to cycle guys?
    I'm sure there will be guys and gals.

    Have you ever ridden the Hardwood Hills trails before? Or is there somewhere else you usually ride?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lilfoo View Post
    And one more question: will flat tires work well there?))
    Are you referring to the tread type of the tires (knobby or smooth)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lilfoo View Post
    is this race more just for like-to cycle guys?
    And one more question: will flat tires work well there?))
    It's a pretty challenging race - expect to spend upwards of 3 hours on the bike if you are riding it solo. Some of the trails (the Radical trail in particular) are pretty advanced. However, if you are reasonably fit it is generally a pretty decent ride.

    In terms of tires, hardwood is drains pretty well after rain so unless there is a monsoon the week before the race you should be OK with whatever tire you were running on the trails this summer. I recommend you put air in them, though.
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    this event is best suited

    for weight weenie sausage suit types and definAtely clipless tires.


    Quote Originally Posted by Lilfoo View Post
    is this race more just for like-to cycle guys?
    And one more question: will flat tires work well there?))

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    Quote Originally Posted by Circlip View Post
    I'm sure there will be guys and gals.

    Have you ever ridden the Hardwood Hills trails before? Or is there somewhere else you usually ride?
    I haven't ever been to harwood, and in place where I am from I rode on wood trails, so I didn't need a special park for riding.


    Quote Originally Posted by Circlip View Post
    Are you referring to the tread type of the tires (knobby or smooth)
    haha)) sorry, I said flat tires but didn't mean it! I was talking about slick tires! It would be definitily hard to ride 50 km on flat tires!

    Quote Originally Posted by Circlip View Post
    if you are reasonably fit it is generally a pretty decent ride.
    I am fit... I am affraid that my bike is not... may be I should choose open challenge than, being given also that on the day of race I will have to ride from Barrie to Hardwood on bike also!

    but thanks for the info, now I know that slick tires might suit well for the race!

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    Quote Originally Posted by osokolo View Post
    for weight weenie sausage suit types and definAtely clipless tires.
    mmm ok, I don't know what does "weenie sausage" and "clipless" tires mean so could you give me a couple of links for example, I should have known it, but not sure with terms...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lilfoo View Post
    I am fit... I am affraid that my bike is not... may be I should choose open challenge than, being given also that on the day of race I will have to ride from Barrie to Hardwood on bike also!

    but thanks for the info, now I know that slick tires might suit well for the race!
    You should stop by one of the shops in Barrie and see if they can help get you ready. It might cost $$ though. I don't think slick tires will be the best for the course at hardwood, but you can probably do it. Slick tires are probably good for riding over to hardwood though.

    If you're riding in from Barrie(and back) maybe pick the Open category since it sounds like this is your first practice mtb "race"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lilfoo View Post
    I am fit... I am affraid that my bike is not... may be I should choose open challenge than, being given also that on the day of race I will have to ride from Barrie to Hardwood on bike also!
    Perhaps you could car pool with someone heading to Hardwood for the event. This way you can save your energy for the ride there, and not dodge the crazies riding to and from there. I am not sure if slick tires are going to be a problem on fallen leaves, but then what tires are good for that condition? I rode there over a week ago and Serious, Cranked, and Fun were starting to get covered with leaf litter. Some amount of knobs on the tires would help when climbing the snowmobile track, or snow fence covered inclines for traction, though a rider with skills better than myself would likely have little issues with that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by electrik View Post
    You should stop by one of the shops in Barrie and see if they can help get you ready. It might cost $$ though. I don't think slick tires will be the best for the course at hardwood, but you can probably do it. Slick tires are probably good for riding over to hardwood though.

    If you're riding in from Barrie(and back) maybe pick the Open category since it sounds like this is your first practice mtb "race"
    it is not my first mrb race....but it is a first mtb race in Canada... in Russia it was ok on slick tires, I mean I could manage with dirt and rocks even with slick tires (it was fun hehe), but you are right, when tehre are a lot of leaves on trails, may be I should use more agressive tires..

    Thanks guys!

    P.S. you actually discourage me to participate=)) may be I will just come to see the race

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    I'm planning to do this,if....

    ...the weather will cooperate.

    After the TdK I don't want to ride 3+ hours if the temperature dips below +10.

    Sounds like I'm a wuss but as my last race of the season I'd like to keep it fun.

    I hope the weather will be good to us....

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    On the fence for this one.

    It'd be a totally casual ride for me, completely for giggles and beer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lilfoo View Post
    you actually discourage me to participate=)) may be I will just come to see the race
    It is a super fun race and a great way to see everything (almost) that Hardwood has to offer. There are several loops that come back to the main chalet, so if you decide you're overwhelmed or have had enough, it's really easy to quit. Good luck!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lilfoo View Post
    mmm ok, I don't know what does "weenie sausage" and "clipless" tires mean so could you give me a couple of links for example, I should have known it, but not sure with terms...
    Weenie Sausage... people who really shouldn't be wearing a lycra skin suit in public.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lilfoo View Post
    it is not my first mrb race....but it is a first mtb race in Canada... in Russia it was ok on slick tires, I mean I could manage with dirt and rocks even with slick tires (it was fun hehe), but you are right, when tehre are a lot of leaves on trails, may be I should use more agressive tires..

    Thanks guys!

    P.S. you actually discourage me to participate=)) may be I will just come to see the race
    Well, you explained your bicycle may be in bad shape and not have good tires... I had no idea about your ability so it is only fair to warn you.

    If you've done other races then you know what to expect and i don't think the open category will be too competitive. If you get there and feel like another 25k definitely don't sit on the sidelines with your bicycle. Good luck!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lilfoo View Post
    it is not my first mrb race....but it is a first mtb race in Canada... in Russia it was ok on slick tires, I mean I could manage with dirt and rocks even with slick tires (it was fun hehe), but you are right, when tehre are a lot of leaves on trails, may be I should use more agressive tires..

    Thanks guys!

    P.S. you actually discourage me to participate=)) may be I will just come to see the race
    I have actually heard them use leaf blowers in the past on some of the trails during autumn. So don't let the leaf litter discourage you. Also I don't think that the trees have as many leaves as in the past, as the caterpillars ate quite a lot of them. Anyone who raced at the Canada Cup in June will likely remember all the caterpillars falling and hanging around during the race. I lost track of how many landed on me when I was there as a course marshall.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Unglued View Post
    It's a great ride. I'm torn between it and cyclocross Toronto...
    Do all three, Saturday cx race under the lights, Sunday morning at HH, then back down for the Sunday cx races that don't start till noon. Though you'd need to be in the last start Sunday afternoon to make it work.

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    Quote Originally Posted by swabag View Post
    Do all three, Saturday cx race under the lights, Sunday morning at HH, then back down for the Sunday cx races that don't start till noon. Though you'd need to be in the last start Sunday afternoon to make it work.
    Interesting....
    Strava made me do it....

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    swabag: Do all three, Saturday cx race under the lights, Sunday morning at HH, then back down for the Sunday cx races that don't start till noon. Though you'd need to be in the last start Sunday afternoon to make it work.

    Sure, 3 races in less than 24 hours makes perfect sense ...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mudhead View Post
    I have actually heard them use leaf blowers in the past on some of the trails during autumn. So don't let the leaf litter discourage you. Also I don't think that the trees have as many leaves as in the past, as the caterpillars ate quite a lot of them. Anyone who raced at the Canada Cup in June will likely remember all the caterpillars falling and hanging around during the race. I lost track of how many landed on me when I was there as a course marshall.
    That is correct sir. I am sure there will be some leaf blowing activity for this race.


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    50k of singletrack, how can you go wrong with that? I will be there to conclude another great year of racing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nerdgirl View Post
    It is a super fun race and a great way to see everything (almost) that Hardwood has to offer. There are several loops that come back to the main chalet, so if you decide you're overwhelmed or have had enough, it's really easy to quit. Good luck!
    Oh nice!! this is a words which I was waiting for!! =)) I've bought a warm tights especially for the event

    Does someone know when is the last date to sign in for the race?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mudhead View Post
    Also I don't think that the trees have as many leaves as in the past, as the caterpillars ate quite a lot of them. Anyone who raced at the Canada Cup in June will likely remember all the caterpillars falling and hanging around during the race. I lost track of how many landed on me when I was there as a course marshall.
    ahah)) this is so nice, good caterpillars care for us!

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    You can register the day of the race!
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    Quote Originally Posted by serious View Post
    You can register the day of the race!
    Great, so I will take a decision the day of the race

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    The weather was so great today that I went to Harwood hills, it took me 1h30m!! I definitely can't ride there before the race, so if someone would like to pick me up from Barrie to HH, please send a msg to me! Oh yeah, and I ask them when is the last moment to enter, they said wednesday, 19 Oct. Totaly forgot to ask them abuot leaves, but a few days ago I was said that there wouldn't be dirty, for sure.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lilfoo View Post
    Oh yeah, and I ask them when is the last moment to enter, they said wednesday, 19 Oct.
    The race is on the 16th so they obviously made a mistake.

    On the website they call the Saturday before "last minute registration" and you have to do that at hardwood. Online registrations stops on Oct. 14th at midnight.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thedumbopinion View Post
    The race is on the 16th so they obviously made a mistake.
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    oops, I meant Oct. 12th,but yeah...maybe I misheared, nevermind then, rely on info from the site

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    I was there yesterday too...

    Did the 50k route and it was awesome...

    I didn't ride the trails at hardwood for 2 years now I thought would be nice to refresh my memories.
    I rode Serious, Gnarly, Fun before but I have never been on Radical....
    That trail is a real punisher from the start to the finish without any chance to take a little break.
    I loved it but I think I'll use my wife's Camelback for that one... I didn't want to stop on the trail to drink because I thought it must have a couple of sections where I can grab my bottle to drink....
    I was wrong...

    The trails are in pristine conditions although Radical is fully covered with leafs it was really
    hard to see the trail goes.

    Excellent weekend with lots of riding!!!!

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    Good luck to the participants on Sunday.

    I rode Serious, Cranked, Fun and a few parts of Gnarly on Wednesday. If they are going to get out with the leaf blowers, then the have lots of work ahead of them. The trail although very covered in leaves are still quite visible, as there has been quite a bit of traffic to define the trail. I did not notice any traction loss with the leaves either. The Serious trail has had a minor route adjustment, near the old barn, that removes one of the deeper sand pits along that trail.

    The only major trail issue I saw was a big deadfall across Cranked, near the end. It was on an uphill section at an angle. I told the folks at the chalet about it and they said they would fix it.

    Hopefully the rain holds off, but as has been mentioned many times in this forum, Hardwood can handle the rain.

    Old Barrie Road is under construction through the Edgar area, Oro-Medonte 3rd line past the 4th line. I doubt they have had the time to pave that area yet with the rain, so highway 11 north to the 5th line, then take the bridge over the highway, to Old Barrie road. Detour Map

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    Looks like it will rain right through Sunday morning. And with 35-45 km/hr winds on Saturday there will be plenty of leafs and maybe the odd downed tree too.

    Hmm, my wuss meter is red-lining.
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    I am looking forward to this race rain or shine!
    This will be my first time doing the singletrack challenge and I have a couple questions I hope someone here can answer for me. Is there a feed station at the start/finish? If not, will I be able to stash a cooler at the start/finish to grab a fresh bottle and some food?

    Good luck to everyone on Sunday

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    Quote Originally Posted by ptbo_mac View Post
    I am looking forward to this race rain or shine!
    This will be my first time doing the singletrack challenge and I have a couple questions I hope someone here can answer for me. Is there a feed station at the start/finish? If not, will I be able to stash a cooler at the start/finish to grab a fresh bottle and some food?

    Good luck to everyone on Sunday
    There is a rider guide posted on the Pulse Racing website with all kinds of useful info.

    http://www.pulseracing.ca/pdf/2011stcriderguide.pdf

    From the guide: "Support on the course is wide open. Riders may take any equipment or tools with them on the course; and are
    encouraged to give or receive assistance from any other riders. Water and food may be supplied to any racer by
    anyone, anywhere on the course."

    This will also be my first time doing this race. Looking forward to it!

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    Quote Originally Posted by ptbo_mac View Post
    I am looking forward to this race rain or shine!
    This will be my first time doing the singletrack challenge and I have a couple questions I hope someone here can answer for me. Is there a feed station at the start/finish? If not, will I be able to stash a cooler at the start/finish to grab a fresh bottle and some food?

    Good luck to everyone on Sunday
    You will ride thru the start/finish 4 times and there are plenty of spots to put a cooler. Also, for the past 2 years, there have been granola bars, bananas and other munchies supplied at the start/finish area.
    Strava made me do it....

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    Awesome! Thanks guys.

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    Quote Originally Posted by serious View Post
    Looks like it will rain right through Sunday morning. And with 35-45 km/hr winds on Saturday there will be plenty of leafs and maybe the odd downed tree too.

    Hmm, my wuss meter is red-lining.
    I just rode Buckwallow this morning and weather was better than the forecast. No rain and even some short periods of sunshine peeking through. Definitely a lot of leaves down since last weekend though!!

    ps- glad I went in the am, has done nothing but rain & blow since noon
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    My wife and I will be there riding tag team .(we will be riding on some borrowed True North single speeds).
    Anyone know if they will have a veggie chili option? or just meat?
    maybe i will bring my own and a little stove to heat it up.
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    I believe last year they had a vegetarian option, but I am not 100% sure.
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    Tire choice for tomorrow?

    Rocket Ron's or Maxxis Aspens? Any suggestions?

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    Call me crazy, but I just registered by phone with Paul for the 50K...

    Now to get myself organized!
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    Quote Originally Posted by trekbikes View Post
    Rocket Ron's or Maxxis Aspens? Any suggestions?
    Rocket Rons are freshly mounted and ready...Even if it's a little moist in spots, these shoud be perfect with the draining there. Last weekend it was perfect, and it was dry early in the week until the past few days of rain. Should be great!
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    What a great day at Hardwood yesterday. My strategy of taking it easy, enjoying myself and making it through the day paid off as I finished in just under 4hrs. Knowing that I wouldn't be as fast as last year, sub-4hrs was actually my goal.

    The finish was in jeopardy for a while. About 5k into Gnarly I was cramping so bad I had to get off the bike, stretch and rub my muscles to get them to loosen up, although it didnít help to much. After that it just hurt everytime I stood up which sucks if youíre riding a singlespeed. I had to do that thing where you pedal and find a balance just to prevent cramping (I know youíve been there). Stretching my foot too much meant my calves would cramp or leaning too far forward meant my quads would seize. My legs were shattered and I ended up walking a lot of the ups including the entire shingle climb and parts of Ďthe grindí. I even almost puked on Fun.

    Of course when I finished then decompressed I had the best chili and chips ever. Could of fed me anything I was so hungry. Also won some IMBA swag and enjoyed a teammates chips and salsa in the car on the way home. So makes for a good day and a fun end to racing season.

    Bring on the snow!

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    I did survive my first 50k

    And it was tough,tougher than I thought....

    I knew Radical will kick my butt, but I was in shock how bad did I ride that trail. Couldn't get going I made mistake after mistake;it was bad.
    Crank'd was OK and then after Gnarly kept punishing me so much so I had to granny one of the last climb just to make sure I don't have to walk it...
    Fun was all about survival I kept my legs moving as fast as I could to make sure nobody catch me on that last few k.

    Checked the results discussed the happenings with a couple of riders from my category and unfortunatley we had to jump in the car and leave missing the chili.

    Mtbmeister:
    Awesome performance specially on Radical.
    Looks like you found another gear on that trail.


    Osokolo:
    I almost introduced myself to you,but at the start line you had a conversation
    with another rider and at the finish you were talking with Neil, and by the time I
    exchanged a few words with my wife you just disappeared.
    Next time!


    Great race,even a better year of riding!

    Congratulations to everyone who finished this Challenge!

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    Quote Originally Posted by want to ride View Post
    Osokolo:
    I almost introduced myself to you,but at the start line you had a conversation
    with another rider and at the finish you were talking with Neil, and by the time I
    exchanged a few words with my wife you just disappeared.
    Next time!
    I hear Oggie got a bunch of people lost. Apparently he was following the person behind him.

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