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    We the people ... Hamilton Velodrome - Gone with a Whimper

    From Canadian Cyclist: Canadian Cyclist - Hamilton Velodrome - Gone with a Whimper

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    Posted by Editor on 10/15/11


    Quietly, with almost no fanfare, Canada's best hope for a permanent indoor velodrome died at a Hamilton Council meeting last Tuesday, when councillors voted against increasing the city's share of costs involved in building the velodrome from the original $5 million. Less than one hour later, TO2015, the Pan/ParaPanAm organizing committee, released a statement that it would be looking for alternative sites. The statement from TO2015 reads:

    The Toronto 2015 Pan/Parapan Am Games Organizing Committee (TO2015) acknowledges Hamilton City Council's decision to cap their contribution at $5 million towards the building of a four-season velodrome at Mohawk College.

    However,this contribution, while generous, does not represent a sufficient financial commitment to go forward with the plans to build this velodrome in Hamilton.

    TO2015 would like to thank the City of Hamilton for their hard work in developing a strong four-season velodrome proposal and the due diligence of their committees to evaluate this proposal.

    As a result of Council's decision, TO2015 will pursue discussions with other municipalities who have expressed interest in this significant legacy facility.

    This high-calibre facility remains a vital component to the Pan/Parapan Am Games legacy. The velodrome will attract future elite, and amateur national and international competitions, allow Ontario-based athletes to train in their home province and give the surrounding community access to a world-class facility.

    TO2015 is looking forward to working closely with its community partners to help ensure a velodrome is delivered on time, on budget and on scope.

    The 2015 Pan Am Games velodrome facility has seen its estimated cost soar from an original $11.5 million budget to around $40 million. The original proposal was clearly underfunded for a permanent facility, which was a requirement that Own the Podium (OTP) and the Canadian Cycling Association (CCA) demanded; rightly so, given the past history of organizers putting together temporary facilities and then selling them off (1999 Pan Ams) or letting them fall into disrepair (Winnipeg and Victoria). However, rather than working on plans to bridge the funding gap, Hamilton spent months arguing over the stadium, which was the only real interest those in power had through the whole process.

    Hamilton as a location for a velodrome was both the right choice and the wrong one. Right because it had successfully hosted the 2003 Road Worlds, and has a long tradition of both cycling excellence and superb places to ride. Wrong because Hamilton had no real interest in a velodrome - all the Mayor and other factions wanted was a new stadium for their Tiger Cats football team (and that in a controversial site); and putting together a package of venues that included the velodrome increased the likelihood of getting federal and provincial funding (that would otherwise be unavailable) to build this stadium. The budget for the stadium has soared as high as $125 million - enough for three world-class velodromes.

    Cynically, this faction figured that they could put up with two weeks of international competition to get a stadium that is used a dozen times a year for a sport that has no Olympic or international relevance. We know this is true because Hamilton originally submitted a bid for the 2010 Commonwealth Games that did not include track cycling at all. They only backtracked when we published an article that was picked up internationally, and a number of Commonwealth federations stated they would not vote for a bid that did not include track cycling.

    A Hamilton Spectator article after the vote included the quote: Councillor Brad Clark pointed out that the Hamilton Tiger-Cats - not the city or its amateur athletes - are the main victors of Hamilton's Pan Am debates: "The Tiger-Cats, the professional sports team, was the one group that got everything they wanted. That's a little bit difficult to take." (See the full article Here)

    TO2015 says that they are looking for proposals from other communities interested in hosting the velodrome, but the time frame is exceedingly short - the end of November. This is an organization that has fallen down on the job. They have not pushed hard for a velodrome; instead of getting behind it with funding guarantees or, at the very least, a clear indication that a velodrome is a top priority, they have made vague statements in support, or issued threats to Hamilton Council.

    Unlike every other facility being built for the Pan/ParaPanAm Games - the stadiums, tracks, pools, etc. - the velodrome would be a unique structure in North America: the only Olympic-level facility on the continent for a sport that offers ten medal events, equally divided between men and women. This alone ensures that the velodrome would become the training centre of choice for Canadian and U.S. squads, as well as an almost permanent fixture on the World Cup circuit.

    In addition, the velodrome facility envisioned would offer multi-sport support to Olympic sports in Track and Field, Volleyball, Badminton and others. It would also fit well with stated healthy lifestyle goals, with proposed introductory programs for youth, to get them riding bikes in a safe and controlled environment.

    I have no doubt that something will be cobbled together in time for the 2015 Games - the successful bid included track cycling, after all. However, at this point it is looking more and more likely that we could end up with the type of temporary structure that was not supposed to happen this time. There are indications that Milton, Mississauga or Markham could step into the breech, and even a suggestion of London - where the Forest City Velodrome program operates successfully.

    What needs to be done now is increase pressure on TO2015 to ensure that they stick to the permanent legacy facility promise. They have a $2.5 Billion budget for the Pan Am Games; it's not too much to ask that a fraction of that goes towards a cycling track.


    If you wish to contact TO2015, the CEO is Ian Troop, and they can be reached at:

    Telephone: 1 (416) 957-2015

    Fax: 1 (416) 957-3999

    E-mail: info@toronto2015.org
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    Let's see, so far that is Track and Cycling that has been driven off. What's left??

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    Just makes me happy I don't live in Hamilton anymore. Hope we can still get a world class venue built in the gta

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    hamilton (city council) is a joke. this city has been slowly dying for the past 25 years and nobody seems to give a ****. who wants to come here? who wants to live here? nice place to drive through on the way to burlington.
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    Quote Originally Posted by saturnine View Post
    hamilton (city council) is a joke. this city has been slowly dying for the past 25 years and nobody seems to give a ****. who wants to come here? who wants to live here? nice place to drive through on the way to burlington.
    Hmm... have you lived in Kingston? Ugh.

    Some positives of the area...

    riding scene
    Niagara Escarpmet= DH
    Cafe Domestique
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    It's not Kingston
    Kelso and such are close

    Okay.. now how to arrange Mac to need a replacement coach for their program.

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    Quote Originally Posted by saturnine View Post
    hamilton (city council) is a joke. this city has been slowly dying for the past 25 years and nobody seems to give a ****. who wants to come here? who wants to live here? nice place to drive through on the way to burlington.
    Wow. Burlington? I'd saw off my little toes with a rusty hacksaw before moving to that characterless suburb.

    Hamilton's core is bringing in jobs, 2 great schools, the Bay. Really, if someone carpet bombed Burlington, what would you miss? Mapleview?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Biggie View Post
    Wow. Burlington? I'd saw off my little toes with a rusty hacksaw before moving to that characterless suburb.

    Hamilton's core is bringing in jobs, 2 great schools, the Bay. Really, if someone carpet bombed Burlington, what would you miss? Mapleview?
    i'm no fan of burlington, but i know burlingtonians (burlingtonites?) can't wait to get their BMWs through this city as fast as they can.
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    Hamilton is just in a rough transition. Its major industry is changing with the world. Steel is not the big deal. I believe health care is the biggest employer now in that city.

    Anyways, i see the velodrome going to areas that have money to spare or more cooperate/communal support....oakville mississauga or maybe milton. I don't see Ford putting toronto into the running.

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    LOL... Burlington is pretty vanilla.

    Hamilton's city council is full of lifetime politicians who are consistently empowered by buttheads. The problem with politics right now is that the good people don't want to get involved in the mess, so it leaves those postions (Mayor, Premier, PM) to candidates that really wouldn't belong.

    Thankfully the dummys who run Hamiton couldn't get their ***** together fast enough to spend another 20 million we don't have on a Velodrome... The Football stadium/track & field facility was their all time low. I wonder what's next?...

    Hamilton Health Sciences is one of the best places to have a medical problem solved, their staff is pretty good.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Enduramil View Post
    Hmm... have you lived in Kingston?
    I'd love to hear more about why you dislike Kingston. I ask because a company I'm interviewing with has a location there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rkj__ View Post
    I'd love to hear more about why you dislike Kingston. I ask because a company I'm interviewing with has a location there.
    Depends on what one wants to know.

    Big hassle unless you are into smoking, drinking, eating, and procreating exessively is the long drives to do anything. To do any cycling events you are faced with the long 2 plus hour drive to Toronto. But that is also a reflection on how the Toronto to Hamilton area is the centre of the universe of Ontario cycling.

    Only reason we are here is because of Joely's job. Which got her foot in the door to varsity level coaching. Now it's a wait to move to another position closer to Toronto.

    I could go on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by -Todd- View Post
    ... The Football stadium/track & field facility was their all time low. I wonder what's next?...

    It was a low but not the money side.

    Track Canada walked away from the deal because they would not compromise and say yes to a half arsed temporary track facility. Basically the Ti Cats would get a whole new facility while once the Pan Am's where done the track was basically to be scrapped.

    Track Canada stuck to their position and are now getting a new international standard facility near York Uni. Funnily enough it's already the home of a Track Canada training centre. Thank you Charlie Francis.

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    Did track 1 session at Forest City Velodrome today. Had a blast! $30 for three hours of instruction and riding. Hopefully we can still get a permanent velodrome in the gta area, if not Hamilton.
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    Thanks to Mysty for this.

    Funny how all this is falling apart when the job of Ontario Minister of Sport is vacant. And has been for some time.

    Scroll down to the Oct 26th post.
    Sport 4 Ontario - Provincial Sport Organizations Council

    Gee..stuff like Pan Ams falls under this. I recall the big awards banquet in 2005 where the whole Quest for Gold program was launched. Long term infrastructure was mentioned.. the usual support sport dog and pony show.

    I think I'll not say more so as not to upset the sensitive types.

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    As a hockey Dad I see most of SW Ontario's rinks. There is a quad pad in Milton that has a running track around it. I believe Hasmilton is building a new quad. why would Hamilton not snatch the free cash and put the velodrome over the rinks? I think a solution could have been found in Hamilton.
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    Mebbe Hamilton council isn't so dumb - I haven't been paying attention, but haven't heard about any seriious proposals from anyone else so far. Milton wants to have one, as long as it is totally funded by the private sector and they want to build it on unserviced land.

    I think if nobody else wants to pay to build one, Hamilton might be back in the running with an improved funding formula.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Biggie View Post
    As a hockey Dad I see most of SW Ontario's rinks. There is a quad pad in Milton that has a running track around it. I believe Hasmilton is building a new quad. why would Hamilton not snatch the free cash and put the velodrome over the rinks? I think a solution could have been found in Hamilton.
    The running track we have mentioned here is not a run of the mill track that you jog around for fitness. It is a international level track. Best example would be to see the one at York Uni.

    The closest facility that is international regulation for cycling and track is.....California.

    It's pretty sad really our current state of affairs for sport in Ontario. You'd think that that the day's of the Scarborough Optimist's Track program making do on the Riverdale track and hill where long past. Reality is we are pretty much exactly at that point. The athlete's performing despite the fact we keep throwing them under the bus when it comes to support.. not $$ but building facilities.

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    I had a chat with Milton's mayor last Saturday. He was keen to make the velodrome happen. He mentioned that some private money was also interested. (think Peter Giligan the owner of mattamy homes and avid cyclist)

    The plan would be to build on the site of the new university south of the hospital.

    I am optimistic this could happen.

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    the reality is how much of the community will be able to utilize a velodrome? a tiny percentage. it is much better for the community that projects like garage monsters trails get funded and expanded. as well as urban pathways, community employment/training/maker fairs, urban agriculture, etc.
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    if Peter wants to build it - it will happen...

    maybe i can do some lobbying...

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    Quote Originally Posted by singlesprocket View Post
    the reality is how much of the community will be able to utilize a velodrome? a tiny percentage. it is much better for the community that projects like garage monsters trails get funded and expanded. as well as urban pathways, community employment/training/maker fairs, urban agriculture, etc.
    Perhaps they can build the Velodrome on a nice provincially significant wetland

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    Quote Originally Posted by singlesprocket View Post
    the reality is how much of the community will be able to utilize a velodrome? a tiny percentage. it is much better for the community that projects like garage monsters trails get funded and expanded. as well as urban pathways, community employment/training/maker fairs, urban agriculture, etc.
    I think it would actually get a lot of use seeing how the OCA/CCA work out of the David Bradley Center on the McMaster Campus. At least they were when I was there a few years back.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jawz View Post
    I think it would actually get a lot of use seeing how the OCA/CCA work out of the David Bradley Center on the McMaster Campus. At least they were when I was there a few years back.
    that the general public can access? i think not. the reality is that it will be so out of reach for the majority of the population. i don't think a penny of public money or a square foot of public land should go for such a project. if someone wants to cough up the private land/dough and run it like a country club... knock yourself out...
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    Quote Originally Posted by cyclelicious View Post
    Perhaps they can build the Velodrome on a nice provincially significant wetland

    http://www.deathofawetland.com/
    A friend of mine along with her entire subdivision are tied up in a dispute with Mattamy Homes. Their subdivision was built with a nice park in the middle, which was quietly rezoned for high-rise condos a couple years after everyone moved in. From what I've heard it's not going well for the residents since the local city officials are in the bag.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aerius View Post
    A friend of mine along with her entire subdivision are tied up in a dispute with Mattamy Homes. Their subdivision was built with a nice park in the middle, which was quietly rezoned for high-rise condos a couple years after everyone moved in. From what I've heard it's not going well for the residents since the local city officials are in the bag.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jawz View Post
    I think it would actually get a lot of use seeing how the OCA/CCA work out of the David Bradley Center on the McMaster Campus. At least they were when I was there a few years back.
    Some people are against it simply because they can't make a profit off it.

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    Running related. But it does explain the challenges faced in Canada when it comes to building facilities such as this.

    Canadian Running » Scott-Thomas’s fundraising puts Guelph on track for success

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    Milton to Pursue 2015 Pan Am Velodrome

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    The scoop (from Cdn Cyclist Canadian Cyclist - Milton to Pursue 2015 Pan Am Velodrome):

    "The city council of Milton has voted 9-2 to move forward with a plan to build the indoor velodrome for the 2015 Pan American Games. After the original host bid city of Hamilton pulled out very late in the process, there was a hurried search to find a community willing to contribute the local portion of the funding - estimated at $15 million of the total $40 million budget, with Milton, Vaughan and Markham all possibilities.

    The Milton option became more likely after a planned Wilfrid Laurier University campus was proposed as a location, and when Peter Gilgan, the president of Mattamy Homes and a long time supporter of cycling, made a commitment to the city to donate $7 million, plus an additional $2 million for naming rights.

    The Milton Council then voted last night to commit to a local share of $17.6 million, with the proviso that the total budget not exceed $40 million. The city will now hire a consultant to prepare a business plan and verify operating costs, community use and legacy requirements, with the plan expected to be finalized and approved in the next four to six weeks. We are told by sources that this could mean the site specific RFP (Requests for Proposal) could be underway by the end of February 2012."
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    Quote Originally Posted by TRCA View Post
    The Milton option became more likely after a planned Wilfrid Laurier University campus was proposed as a location, and when Peter Gilgan, the president of Mattamy Homes and a long time supporter of cycling, made a commitment to the city to donate $7 million, plus an additional $2 million for naming rights.
    Props to Mr. Gilgan. WOW

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    This is great news! If we couldn't have it in Hamilton, Milton is a great alternative.

    Good luck to Milton with the business plan process. Experience tells me that this is when things get weird and politics get played.
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    Quote Originally Posted by garage monster View Post
    This is great news! If we couldn't have it in Hamilton, Milton is a great alternative.

    Good luck to Milton with the business plan process. Experience tells me that this is when things get weird and politics get played.
    Yeah, it sounds like things are off to a good start, but it's too early to celebrate I think.
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    gilgan can't donate his money fast enough. i think $15 mil to maple leaf gardens, $10 mil to oakville hospital, $9 mil for this. i hope he has a high interest savings account.
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    Here's the latest news as of December 13 and 14:

    InsideHalton Article: Veledrome moves forward
    InsideHalton Article: Wheels turning to Laurier velodrome

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    The latest:

    To All Cycling Enthusiasts in the GTA Area,

    The attached note from the Town of Milton is self explanatory. Please share the word amongst GTA area cycling enthusiasts, and attend the upcoming session to lend your support to the Velodrome.

    We have a chance to build a permanent, world-class facility in our backyard, and change cycling in this country for generations to come.

    The support of ALL members of the GTA cycling community will make a difference.

    I look forward to seeing you at the meeting to move this vision forward.

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    Hello Cycling Enthusiasts,

    On December 15th, the Toronto 2015 Pan/Parapan Am Games Organizing Committee (TO2015) announced that the Town of Milton was the selected site for the Velodrome. This confirmation is conditional upon the Town signing a binding agreement late in January. Prior to signing a binding agreement, Milton Town Council has commissioned the completion of a business plan and due diligence process completed by Sierra Planning and Management that will verify that operating impacts and community use and cycling legacy requirements are satisfactory and meet the financial principle associated with this project.

    The Town would like to invite all interested cycling stakeholders who could be potential users of the facility to an information session on the Velodrome. Representatives from Infrastructure Ontario, who will be the project managers for the Velodrome, will be in attendance to do a presentation of the proposed conceptual plan and answer any questions. Representatives from TO2015, Sierra Planning and Management and the Town of Milton will also be in attendance. The date of the session is Tuesday, January 10th from 4-8pm. The formal presentation will take place at 4pm and repeated again at 6pm. The session will take place at the Milton Sports Centre in the Optimist Room and is located at 605 Santa Maria Boulevard.

    At the session on January 10th, contact information for interested parties will be collected and interviews will be arranged for January 12th either daytime or evening depending on what works well for each group. At the interviews, it is expected that each group be prepared to offer insight into their potential utilization of the facility that will assist in developing the business plan outcomes.

    We look forward to your participation on January 10th. It is the cycling community that will be the driving force to ensure the Velodrome is viable and a lasting legacy for many years after the games. Please forward this email to any groups who would be potential users of the Velodrome that we may have missed.

    Please RSVP to steve.palmer@milton.ca or 905-878-7252 ext.2581 by January 5th. Please indicate if you are representing a group and how many will be in attendance from your group.

    Thank you very much and Happy Holidays!

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    It's official (I know I could have posted something from Miton, but it seems more appropriate to look at this from Hamilton's point of view. )

    Quote Originally Posted by The Spec

    Pan Am velodrome headed for Milton

    The 2015 Toronto Pan Am Games velodrome is going to Milton.

    Milton town council voted Monday night in favour of becoming the host community for a Pan Am velodrome, dashing the hopes of Hamilton cyclist supporters lobbying for the indoor cycling track.

    Ian Troop, chief executive of the Pan Am organizing committee, weldomed the news Tuesday and said the velodrom will find a permanent home in Halton.

    “On behalf of TO2015, we would like to thank the Town of Milton for making this velodrome a reality,” said Troop. “This is the result of sound deliberation and an appreciation for the potential associated with a permanent velodrome.”

    Councillors passed a resolution by a vote of nine to two to give the town’s staff the green light to work with officials on constructing the controversial velodrome for the 2015 Toronto Pan Am Games.

    “This is a great day for cycling and amateur sport in Canada,” said Olympian Curt Harnett. “This will result in a world-class facility that will make Milton a cycling hub for the surrounding community, the province and eastern Canada.”

    Staff walked council members through a business plan for the facility at the town’s council meeting Monday.

    The town of Milton had until the end of January to commit to pay for 44 per cent of the velodrome, which could cost up to $45 million to construct.

    The town wants Infrastructure Ontario to cap the total construction cost at $40 million and allow it to negotiate naming rights.

    Milton is offering to contribute about $4 million for building costs and expects another $12 million to come from private donors, naming rights and other fundraising sources.

    Wilfrid Laurier University has been identified as a source for an uncommitted $2.5 million. Seven million of the $10 million slated to come from fundraising has been already pledged.

    Hamilton lost its position as the preferred location for the velodrome last fall after Pan Am officials rejected council’s offer to contribute a capped $5 million toward building costs. A local group spearheaded by businessman Mark Chamberlain has since been collecting donations and lobbying to have the indoor cycling track in Hamilton.

    Chamberlain suggested in a recent editorial that they had raised more than half of the minimum $17.6 million required to construct the Pan Am facility.

    During the town council meeting Monday night, Milton councillors raised questions concerning how much interest in indoor cycling existed in the area, possibilities for community programming and the feasibility of using the same gym for multiple sports.
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    i personally don't see how a velodrome would help the city in any way promote cycling culture. i know i don't know all the facts, but isn't track racing a very specific discipline?
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    Chamberlain suggested in a recent editorial that they had raised more than half of the minimum $17.6 million required to construct the Pan Am facility.
    This bit confused me. Wasn't the problem in Hamilton that a permanent facility would cost $45 million? And Milton's planning to spend less than $5 million. That was Hamilton's limit. And yet they're talking about it as permanent. I don't understand!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nerdgirl View Post
    This bit confused me. Wasn't the problem in Hamilton that a permanent facility would cost $5 million? And Milton's planning to spend less than $5 million. That was Hamilton's limit. And yet they'retalking about it as permanent. I don't understand!
    I THINK that MIlton raised alot more money. Probably support in place from TD, Mattamy and WLU. It is sad that they contributed $4M and get this fantastic facility. Now it is to be seen whether or not this facility becomes a financial anchor...I hope not!
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    Here's a link to the business plan prepared for/by the town. This is a big document so start on page 118 to blow past the bid stuff and get to the business plan.

    The plan is for a tier 1 velodrome that could host world championships or world cup events. It specifies that it will be cycling facility first.

    http://www.milton.ca/MeetingDocument...0Velodrome.pdf

    http://www.milton.ca/MeetingDocument...0Part%20II.pdf

    I attended all of the information meetings and spoke with the mayor and three councilors. They really have a lot of information from cycling groups at all levels. I also bought a track bike and started riding at Forest City right after the first hint of the velodrome being built in town. Based on what i see in London the Milton track will be a busy place.

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    Quote Originally Posted by saturnine View Post
    i personally don't see how a velodrome would help the city in any way promote cycling culture. i know i don't know all the facts, but isn't track racing a very specific discipline?
    You don't have to race to ride at the track, and track riding is a very good way to teach cycling skills that translate well to other disciplines. With the low cost of a good track bike and presumably rental bikes eventually made available at the velodrome it has to be one of the best ways to promote and grow cycling.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bruce Sharp, a professional engineer and energy consultant
    A councillor, prominent in hospital fundraising, suggested that the velodrome would encourage cycling — resulting in improved health for residents and so a relatively lesser need for better and larger hospital facilities. This is particularly and unfortunately ironic as anecdotal evidence suggests otherwise. An acquaintance of mine rides a track bike and noted that when he lived in another city with a velodrome, an ambulance was frequently called to attend to and transport cyclists injured in mishaps. Milton’s velodrome will then likely increase demands on the town’s overwhelmed health care system!
    And folks, this wasn't some angry letter to the editor, this was from an article in the opinion section of the star. Awesome logic in the showcase today folks.
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    But wait, there's more:

    Quote Originally Posted by Charles Smedmor, Toronto-based forensic accountant
    • Relocate the aquatics centre. $171 million is budgeted for three pools on the former Morningside garbage dump near U of T Scarborough. But site remediation is six months behind schedule; methane gas is still being vented from the ground.
    • Shelve indoor velodrome plans. Milton is ready to commit to $45 million for a 250-metre indoor velodrome. However, an indoor velodrome operation is costly; North America has only one other of similar size. TO2015 needs to consider a cheaper outdoor composite-track velodrome at the CNE/Ontario Place.
    So today we have public health advice from engineers, and environmental engineering advice from accountants.

    And all before lunch.
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