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    New to the world of cyclocross and looking to do couple of races this fall. Looking for races for a beginner. New to cyclocross racing but have mtb raced a lot. Thinking of Guelph cross Sept 25, Durham Cross Oct 9 or Toronto Cross Oct 15. I am at centurion the weekend of Firemans/more cowbell.Those races sound like fun. Also what category would I entered. age 36. Master 3 mens or is there a beginner cat at these races?
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    Those all sound like good choices. Hillbilly Hustle is always a good time too.
    Master 3 is definitely the right category for you. Even though there's a category called "Beginner", it actually means under 30 and not elite. Those guys can still be stinkin' fast.

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    Same kinda question. I'm 45 with a tiny bit of roadrace expierience and no MTB race expierience. The race I'm looking at has 35+45+and single speed in one race and in another Cat 4. Which is more beginner? Thanks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by xxxxx View Post
    Same kinda question. I'm 45 with a tiny bit of roadrace expierience and no MTB race expierience. The race I'm looking at has 35+45+and single speed in one race and in another Cat 4. Which is more beginner? Thanks.

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    Probably Cat 4, but Canada has a totally different system, so you'd be best asking this question in the new Cyclocross forum.

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    Will do. This thread came up in the search and mtbr must have searched outside the forum I was in at the time. Thanks for the response.

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    Quote Originally Posted by xxxxx View Post
    Same kinda question. I'm 45 with a tiny bit of roadrace expierience and no MTB race expierience. The race I'm looking at has 35+45+and single speed in one race and in another Cat 4. Which is more beginner? Thanks.

    Josh
    You'll be well suited to start out in Master 3. The only reason to race the "Beginner Men" category (which is more explicitly labelled Senior 3/4) is if you are under 35, or over 35 but have aspirations of racing Senior Elite as you improve, rather than moving up through the Masters ranks (Master 3 --> Master 2 --> Master 1). Even if the latter is in your mind, if you very quickly progress to Master 1 and still want that bit of extra competition, moving from Master 1 --> Senior 1/2 is only a phone call to the OCA away, though I think you have to pick one for the season.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nerdgirl View Post
    Probably Cat 4, but Canada has a totally different system, so you'd be best asking this question in the new Cyclocross forum.
    The category system varies so much from region to region that here in the EC forum is probably a good place to ask. Elsewhere he might get 5 answers that only confuse the matter (unfortunately).

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    Quote Originally Posted by neuf View Post
    New to the world of cyclocross and looking to do couple of races this fall. Looking for races for a beginner. New to cyclocross racing but have mtb raced a lot. Thinking of Guelph cross Sept 25, Durham Cross Oct 9 or Toronto Cross Oct 15. I am at centurion the weekend of Firemans/more cowbell.Those races sound like fun. Also what category would I entered. age 36. Master 3 mens or is there a beginner cat at these races?
    thanks
    Eric
    All those races are a lot of fun and the only thing that separates them is the size of the fields. The closer the races are to downtown Toronto, the bigger the field gets. So, if you're looking to start off with a small event, pick one out of town. Toronto Cross can get quite large but even then the starts there are only about as big as a typical MTB O-Cup.

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    Okay, I'll ask here before going to the OCA.

    I'm in that magical and confusing age of 30-35.

    I am formally a master on my UCI license and when provincials and nationals roll around, if I were to participate, I would race Master A.

    However in non championship events, I'm assuming that CX is just like Road and I would race S4? Or in this case beginner. I don't start in M3 right?

    I almost would prefer to start in M3, it seems like a better progression through the ranks and better competition. It seems like there are going to be a couple ridiculously fast people racing beginner, looking to move up. If eventually I end up moving up, wham, Elite-1,2,3 and likely thrown in with people that are competing for national titles.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CptSydor View Post
    Okay, I'll ask here before going to the OCA.

    I'm in that magical and confusing age of 30-35.

    I am formally a master on my UCI license and when provincials and nationals roll around, if I were to participate, I would race Master A.

    However in non championship events, I'm assuming that CX is just like Road and I would race S4? Or in this case beginner. I don't start in M3 right?

    I almost would prefer to start in M3, it seems like a better progression through the ranks and better competition. It seems like there are going to be a couple ridiculously fast people racing beginner, looking to move up. If eventually I end up moving up, wham, Elite-1,2,3 and likely thrown in with people that are competing for national titles.
    Hey Jeff, you are correct that you're too young for M3. You'll race Master A for Provincials and Nationals, but locally you are a Senior rider so you do "Beginner Men" (aka Senior 3/4).

    I agree that M2 is a much better progression from the entry level. The jump from winning Beginner Men by a healthy margin to off the back of Senior 1/2/3 is a tough one. It took me a season after making the switch to not get lapped, and another to get up to mid-pack Elite.

    Since you don't have a choice, start with Beginner Men and see how it goes. If you're winning early and often, you'll have to deal with that issue unfortunately (and not unlikely). If not, maybe you'll be old enough for M2 by the time it's a problem.

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    Since this year I'm feeling both slow and cheap, I'm going to drop down to M3, which I can do with my Citizen's Permit.

    It may interest readers to know that the application for the CX-only UCI license is up now at the OCA site. You'll need one of those to race Nationals (not likely for me with the baby due any day now).
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    Quote Originally Posted by jmoote View Post
    Hey Jeff, you are correct that you're too young for M3. You'll race Master A for Provincials and Nationals, but locally you are a Senior rider so you do "Beginner Men" (aka Senior 3/4).

    I agree that M2 is a much better progression from the entry level. The jump from winning Beginner Men by a healthy margin to off the back of Senior 1/2/3 is a tough one. It took me a season after making the switch to not get lapped, and another to get up to mid-pack Elite.

    Since you don't have a choice, start with Beginner Men and see how it goes. If you're winning early and often, you'll have to deal with that issue unfortunately (and not unlikely). If not, maybe you'll be old enough for M2 by the time it's a problem.
    Thanks Jeff for confirming. I was half asking, half ranting a little.

    I'm signed up for my first CX race. Kinda excited.

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    Thanks for responses guys. Is there no Kelso cross this year? I saw old youtube video on it. Looked good. Also for the categories it lists mininium time of 40 minutes. Do they just estimate how laps can be done in that time and tell you at the start or does number of laps change as race goes on. Looking forward to testing out newly built bike.
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    Quote Originally Posted by neuf View Post
    Thanks for responses guys. Is there no Kelso cross this year? I saw old youtube video on it. Looked good. Also for the categories it lists mininium time of 40 minutes. Do they just estimate how laps can be done in that time and tell you at the start or does number of laps change as race goes on. Looking forward to testing out newly built bike.
    Eric
    Last year, Provincials (and the revenge) was at Kelso so it wasn't called "Kelso". Not sure about this year. For whatever reason, it seemed to suit me great last year since it was my best result by far!

    They usually give you a best guess of how many laps you'll have to do at the start. After that, they start a lap chart at the start/finish line to tell you how many laps you have left (things slow down a LOT if it rains or snows...). When you're on your last lap (the "bell" lap), they ring a big bell to let you know this is your last time 'round.
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    No kelso races this year, as SRCC got sick of dealing with the land owners and chose to focus their organizational efforts on the Guelph cross alone.

    As for the duration, gm has it correct. Laatste Ronde!

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    And since this has turned into the annual EC cyclocross thread, it seems, how about an annoying video:

    TatYana Storm - Superprestige lied "De Cross Gaat Door" - YouTube

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    Quote Originally Posted by CptSydor View Post
    Thanks Jeff for confirming. I was half asking, half ranting a little.

    I'm signed up for my first CX race. Kinda excited.
    The few times I've raced 'cross, I've felt very comfortable in the Beginner Men category. FWIW, YMMV, etc.
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    Just registered for Cowbell! Very excited CX season is finally here!
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    Quote Originally Posted by garage monster View Post
    Just registered for Cowbell! Very excited CX season is finally here!
    Why not make it a weekend and race both days?

    I've got some great features planned for the course, and the coffee should be the best stuff to be served at a race all season.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jmoote View Post
    Why not make it a weekend and race both days?

    I've got some great features planned for the course, and the coffee should be the best stuff to be served at a race all season.
    I really wanted to do both days (and probably will most the rest of the fall) but I have a trail build day on Saturday.

    If it rains, I might still be in for the race...
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    We'll get by without you if we really have to

    Building trails is a legitimate excuse anyway. I don't think we're expecting much rain but you never know!

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    Quote Originally Posted by CptSydor View Post
    I'm in that magical and confusing age of 30-35.

    From the CX Communique
    Quote Originally Posted by OCA
    The upcoming cyclocross season is the 2012 season (due to the UCI World Championships being held in January 2012). This means that your racing age will be your age as of December 31, 2012, which will be one year older than the racing age you had during the road and MTB seasons. To determine your racing age subtract your birth year from 2012.
    Which means the CX UCI license on the OCA website is incorrect since it states 2011.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thedumbopinion View Post
    From the CX Communique

    Which means the CX UCI license on the OCA website is incorrect since it states 2011.
    That same ruling was the reason why I raced my first race as a 40 year-old LAST fall. (I don't even turn 40 until November).
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    Quote Originally Posted by jmoote View Post
    And since this has turned into the annual EC cyclocross thread, it seems, how about an annoying video:

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    In for Guelph!

    I just found out that my 4-man team for the Fall 8 might have injured itself down to a 3-man so I'm might be a little more pooched for this one than I'd intended!
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    I'm told the Guelph course this year has much less "going up the hill" and more "on the side of the hill" with a focus on a faster course. As far as I'm concerned that is awesome news. I am looking forward to it

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    Oh that could be fun, maybe like Christie Pits last year!
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    Hitting up my first cross race with my new cross bike this Sunday for Guelph!

    Are you able to preride the course the morning of?

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    First race (my race) is at 10. I usually aim to get there around 8:30 or so and do a quick casual lap just to learn the course, plan my lines and figure out the barriers. Then I register and do two more laps, each successively faster to warm up. I'll session anything that's giving me grief.

    You can also ride the course in the gaps between races.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Louda View Post
    Hitting up my first cross race with my new cross bike this Sunday for Guelph!

    Are you able to preride the course the morning of?
    New bike? How exciting!

    You can ride the course between races. If you really want some time on the course, show up before the first race of the day (10am?). Otherwise you'll have time for only a lap or two before your race.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Louda View Post
    Hitting up my first cross race with my new cross bike this Sunday for Guelph!

    Are you able to preride the course the morning of?
    Have fun.

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    Barriers.......You are doing it wrong.

    <iframe width="560" height="315" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/bEGAIYKTZ9w" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>
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    Holy *****!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Enduramil View Post
    Barriers.......You are doing it wrong.
    Nice attention to detail in the rider's technique.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Circlip View Post
    Nice attention to detail in the rider's technique.
    Last time I saw someone take a launcher like that was 98.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Enduramil View Post
    Last time I saw someone take a launcher like that was 98.
    Bye bye V10!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Enduramil View Post
    Last time I saw someone take a launcher like that was 98.
    Yep, heavy barrier contact usually seems to result in a more pronounced and immediate downward trajectory, as opposed to the impressive arc and hang time on display here. Nice find.

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    Quote Originally Posted by garage monster View Post
    Bye bye V10!
    The time taken to retrieve his bike and re-enter back on to the course at the same point under the tape that his bike went through, probably explains why Bryceland - normally a very competitive rider in the field - came through 91st out of 92 total finishers over 4 minutes down!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Enduramil View Post
    Barriers.......You are doing it wrong.
    I can't say I've seen that before. Heck, I've yet to see someone trip and fall on a barrier in my years of watching the cyclocross races at Centennial Park. I've seen people get hung up and that's about it, the only carnage I've seen was in the sand pits.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aerius View Post
    I can't say I've seen that before. Heck, I've yet to see someone trip and fall on a barrier in my years of watching the cyclocross races at Centennial Park. I've seen people get hung up and that's about it, the only carnage I've seen was in the sand pits.
    Oh gosh, last year at Nationals, Kyle Douglas tripped over the first barrier and slammed the second one head-first. He CRAWLED under the tape and a spectator had to roll his bike away. Ouchie!
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    Quote Originally Posted by garage monster View Post
    Bye bye V10!

    <iframe width="560" height="315" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/dlLubsKEGv0" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>
    Was actually thinking of the Hermminator,

    <iframe width="420" height="315" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/5OaM6m7SKOM" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

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    I can't quite tell from the full speed vid, but the bike is barely off the ground, still kind of bouncing along, as he reaches the barrier. It seem like he never really got the grip he wanted on the frame (hand is already up in the air before he hits the barrier) and was left only with a one-handed grip on the bars instead. That's just not going to get the job done.

    Then his single handed grip on the bars is actually what launched him upward, as the front wheel of the bike effectively became a fixed point of rotation against the barrier for a split second (with the back end of the bike continuing to rotate up and over). Who the heck am I kidding though. I'm not an engineer, and don't play one on TV.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Enduramil View Post
    Was actually thinking of the Hermminator
    Isn't the Herminnator DH skiing's equivalent of Nuck Chorris? e.g. The Herminnator doesn't hit barriers, he just wants to show you how easily he can bust through them???

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    Quote Originally Posted by Circlip View Post
    he just wants to show you how easily he can bust through
    them???


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    OH YEAH!

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    So, you're trying to say that Herrman Maier was the guy inside the big Koolaid suit? I'm sorry, but I just don't think that's correct.

    Quote Originally Posted by electrik View Post


    OH YEAH!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Circlip View Post
    So, you're trying to say that Herrman Maier was the guy inside the big Koolaid suit? I'm sorry, but I just don't think that's correct.
    Colours match... There are lots of impersonators(besides joey) though.


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    After demoing a brand new 2012 Rocky Mountain Solo CXR at Hydrocut today my urge to get into CX just grows!!! I was amazed how well it rode in even technical sections.

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    Quote Originally Posted by egggman View Post
    After demoing a brand new 2012 Rocky Mountain Solo CXR at Hydrocut today my urge to get into CX just grows!!! I was amazed how well it rode in even technical sections.
    I like my '07 Rocky Solo CX.

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