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    Current Hilton Falls Conditions?

    Holla out to Hilton Falls irregulars, anyone been on the trails in the last 48hrs?

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    I went to hilton falls last weekend and the gate attendant told me no mountain bikes until the snow is out in spring. I was very dissipointed and very surprised because that place was always open to bikes during winter. I don't know what is going on here this is the first time I hear something like that. I am gona call them and ask one more time about that.

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    The Hilton Agreement Forest is open year long. Conditions vary from good to not ridable depending on trail usage.

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    Quote Originally Posted by notnormal
    Conditions vary from good to not ridable depending on trail usage.
    Well I am lacing up the north waves now...let you know in 2-3hors.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nogearshere
    Well I am lacing up the north waves now...let you know in 2-3hors.
    Couldn't help myself here. Nothing like no flow in the snow anyway. Perfect place to ride in the slow winter snow...
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    I await Peter's trail condition report eagerly.

    Quote Originally Posted by mtbmeister
    Couldn't help myself here. Nothing like no flow in the snow anyway. Perfect place to ride in the slow winter snow...
    If the agreement forest trails are packed down, the flow isn't bad at all - makes from a nice break from indoors. Think of it this way Neil - we'll grab the lights, go there on a weekday afternoon and finish up with a few pounds of wings and a half-dozen beers. Makes for a good day, no?
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    Quote Originally Posted by tapsa
    I await Peter's trail condition report eagerly.



    If the agreement forest trails are packed down, the flow isn't bad at all - makes from a nice break from indoors. Think of it this way Neil - we'll grab the lights, go there on a weekday afternoon and finish up with a few pounds of wings and a half-dozen beers. Makes for a good day, no?
    You might get me to to do this. Momentum and flow is not going to be existent in many places with the snow on the ground, so I might give it a shot...And the invitation for another half dozen beers and wings is one I don't generally refuse...Let's see what Peter has to say...
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    Trails were great! Lot's of packed down areas through singletrack and double track, everything was rideable. Going back tomorrow morning.

    I was really suprised how long you could just keep going for without hitting some sort of loose snow to mess you up. I actually don't like Hilton much in the summer, but in the winter it is a blast.

    We took a few photos. Some are not great but some turned out pretty cool.

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    Ok now could somebody explain to me how to enter that place without having to deal with those dumb gate attendants that think biking is only for summer time. Looking at those pics makes me want to get out there.

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    Nice pics!!

    That sure beats riding the trainer. I only wish I had time to go today, with 20-25cm of snow expected on Sunday it may be a few days again until the trails get packed down.
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    We parked on the 3rd parking lot (if you are going north) off of 6th line. Not the main Hilton parking lot. My understanding is that some of the trails you first do are not part of Hilton.

    Of course the stuff we hit closer to the falls was in Hilton. Lots to ride!

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    I'm sure I could embed the Google Maps image here some how, but I haven't got the skillz. So use this link: http://maps.google.com/?ie=UTF8&om=1...,0.172005&z=13

    I usually park just west of the conservation area at the 90 degree bend on Fourth Line. There is a marked trailhead into the agreement forest there, You can also park across Guelph Line from Mohawk Raceway and enter the agreement forest at a trailhead there. There is more parking there than on Fourth line and if that is full, park at the raceway parking lot and cross the road.
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    hardcore guys good stuff, dont' think i'd be up for a night ride though.

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    Hardcore indeed. And very cool and very crazy and very much the reason these guys will kick butt come spring time.
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    Now that is dedication!!! Must have been fun

    Great looking pics!!!

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    i expected the mystery rider to pop up and take a bow but alas...nothing.

    what tom neglected to mention in his review was the ace ghost rider that had (clearly) just left before we got there. we followed the majority of his route for the 2+ hours we were out there...it appears that he crashed on a flat (bizarre) but aside from that we couldnt locate so much as a dab the entire time...

    Lepperesque for sure.
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    Secret training for sure.

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    Night riding on a winter weekend........WHY?
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    friday night rides are tradition...plus kiddies are in bed and dont mind so much.
    now get yo-self to hilton with those big shoes of yours, pack down the single track first please.
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    aw man.. even for someone who despises anything below 5 degrees, that looks mighty tempting.

    Maybe Ill bring out the SS sometime during the holidays.
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    winter riding will make you a better rider...i dont care who you are...riding the single track is like being on a 15km skinny...the results are a helluva lot less damaging...not to mention hr spikes...

    different.

    supa you is always invited.
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    WHAT! Now you want me to go all the way to Hilton Falls, and snowshoe on boring flat terrain??

    Deep snow and hills at Albion getting to you? tsk, tsk

    You really need a different hobby in the winter.....oh, I don't know......say nordic skate skiing. The Chico boys do it, so it must be good for you!
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    pshhhh ski's and snowshows. Wheels are still working just fine. I still plan on going back on Fri. Hopefully the mysterious ghost rider will have started packing down the new snow.

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    this friday 930...?
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    At this point, I'll do just about anything to not ride the trainer. Which "trailhead" do you guys park at?
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    Quote Originally Posted by tapsa
    At this point, I'll do just about anything to not ride the trainer. Which "trailhead" do you guys park at?
    Tom says:
    We parked on the 3rd parking lot (if you are going north) off of 6th line. Not the main Hilton parking lot.


    BUT, to avoid confusion we could meet at the tim whortons 1 blk north of the 401 on hwy 25...at say 915?
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    That sounds like something of a plan, or at least as close to one as I've had in a while. Now I have to see if I can drag Neil away from his Friday night beers...

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    BUT, to avoid confusion we could meet at the tim whortons 1 blk north of the 401 on hwy 25...at say 915?
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    Quote Originally Posted by tapsa
    Now I have to see if I can drag Neil away from his Friday night beers...
    ohhh.
    i thought you were coming alone...

    does this make me look fat?
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    Well, I am coming alone - Neil has other commitments...whatever.

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    ohhh.
    i thought you were coming alone...

    does this make me look fat?
    Nice slimming effect!!

    Not familiar with Dissolvene - does it have insulating properties as well or is purely cosmetic? The bit about "no unusual exercise" is ummmm....interesting.
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    Nice pics, is that Hilton Falls frozen over?
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    oh stop with that rubbish...

    lack of riding is obviously affecting your judgement. i hope it is not your celebrity status that makes you sound like drunk or drugged...

    it must be tough now that there are no tuesday night races or 24 hour races that you used to abuse fellow riders, admittedly mostly underaged.

    tapsa is better than nothing, i guess, and if it is a treesome - it is party time...

    having said all that, i have to come out one of these fridays and join you and other losers who got no life but resort to riding in the dark on friday night...


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    ohhh.
    i thought you were coming alone...

    does this make me look fat?

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    Quote Originally Posted by osokolo
    i hope it is not your celebrity status that makes you sound like drunk or drugged...
    ...i have to come out one of these fridays and join you and other losers who got no life but resort to riding in the dark on friday night...
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    Forecast looks good - 21:15 rendezvous at Timmie Ho's tonight?

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    BUT, to avoid confusion we could meet at the tim whortons 1 blk north of the 401 on hwy 25...at say 915?
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    Quote Originally Posted by tapsa
    Forecast looks good - 21:15 rendezvous at Timmie Ho's tonight?
    it will be a small but dedicated group...prolly only 3 or 4...better then drinking egg snog and eating deep fried candy canes.
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    I'm in. Too bad oogles and bits is so skeptical. Word is this is the funnest ride since Valley to Village.

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    I'd love to join you guys sometime as I've never ridden at Hilton Falls, and I do love winter riding. Too bad it's over an hour drive for me to get there... is it worth it? How long do you folk usually ride on the fridays?

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    Keep your eyes peeled for me.

    Hey Y'all,
    There's a good chance I will be there.
    If ya don't mind that is?

    I am just going out to the shed to put on my "out of shape" gears. And make sure all else is in working order. As I haven't been logging very miles since october.
    I drive a red and salt covered 95' chevy lumina with a race plate and a rubics cube in the front window.

    If ya don't see me by 9:15 then have a good "Winter Solstice" ride.

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    Hey all,

    has anyone been there as of late? (last two days)

    We're thinking of heading up from Hamilton to ride the agreement forest tomorrow AM at the Mohawk Raceway entrance. Any up to date conditions would be appreciated!

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    Hope to see you there mcgyver!

    I will probably ride Hilton tomorrow morning too (providing it is decent tonight).

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    Hey All,
    If you are going to Hilton Falls today, you had better bring your single speed.
    The single speeders ruled tonight.
    No need for squishyness either.

    There hasn't been much traffic in there so it was a pretty good work out.
    My technical abilities were put to the test. We were pretty much riding a 12-16 inch skinny single track where ever we went. Most of the good trails in ther haven't seen enough traffic to ride.
    I was once again impessed by Hilton falls.
    Forsure, the best trail conditions in Ontario right now.

    So much more of a challenge than siting on a trainer.

    I wouldn't say winter riding at it's best.
    But as good as you are gonna get after the last snow fall we had.

    I am thinking that after this weekend the trail conditions will be even better.
    If the temp goes above freezing then riding Hilton Falls would be even harder.

    I don't think Tapsa would agree with my assesment of the great ride we had.
    But at least I had fun. Err should I say, more fun than I would have had holding my couch down.
    I wouldn't tell anyone to not go for a ride at Hilton Falls.
    But I would say if you are bound and deterimned to ride today than give it a shot.

    Next time will be even better that's forsure.

    Thanks for the ride to Nogearshere and Nspace.
    And I hope you get the chance to ride more trails next time Tapsa. Good to meet you.

    Good luck and have a good ride to anyone planning on making the trek to Hilton falls.
    Just remember if you are not having fun it's your own fault. It could be worse. You could be stuck at work or out battling with the lazy folk and fellow procrastinators for last minute gifts.
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    As much as I got own3d by the trail, it still beat the crap out of my other two options for the evening: sit on the sofa and watch TV or ride the trainer and watch TV. If the weather co-operates at all, I'm going to return to the scene of my demise in the next few days and put up more of a fight. Maybe I'll try a different bike, maybe I'll dip into the HGH, time will tell.

    The Hilton Falls/Agreement Forest trails are the best riding you're going to find this time of the year. Everybody get out and ride at least one day a week, the woods sure make for a nicer surrounding than your basement.
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    Well nothing but rain/melt/crap...
    sounds like Hilton tonight, I'll wear galoshes and double diaper drawers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nogearshere
    Well nothing but rain/melt/crap...
    sounds like Hilton tonight, I'll wear galoshes and double diaper drawers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rkj__
    I like the new avatar.
    it felt appropriate...

    but not so much any more.
    hilton is perfect...well not that they improved trail markings or paved out those dern rocks for meister...but perfect for january n'schite.

    there was a weee bit (understated for effect) of flooding on the western side but completely avoidable, the singletrack and double track is dry and smashing. no trail damage happening there...and with the freeze coming back it should stay that way.
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    bigwheelboy sprawled out on the rocks on our way to five bridges. coniditions were indeed great.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nspace
    ...on our way to five bridges...
    considering the ride WAS chasing the elusive cinco puentes...

    kermit bike was there too, nicest beater bike i've ever seen.
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    I was just there this last weekend. Great riding but u have to be careful. The fireroads are all ice, the st is great aside from being a little wet. Some of the rocks had some ice on it but thats all. If you do the fireroads you'll have a hard time, go to the single track.
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    I usually park in the par. For $4 ..... who cares, plus the money goes to the park. There is another entrance right off the main highway right by rama.
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    sunday we managed a guided tour in excess of 3hrs. sure our sherpa rode a squishy cheater but to our surprise he rode it well...

    aside from one or two low zones there was nothing unrideable, even cleaner then friday...see y'all tuesday.
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    Tuesday?

    what is happening on Tuesday? races started at Albion? cant be...

    Quote Originally Posted by nogearshere
    sunday we managed a guided tour in excess of 3hrs. sure our sherpa rode a squishy cheater but to our surprise he rode it well...

    aside from one or two low zones there was nothing unrideable, even cleaner then friday...see y'all tuesday.

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    Quote Originally Posted by osokolo
    what is happening on Tuesday? races started at Albion? cant be...
    no.

    will be riding hilton again, if you can locate your bike amongst the twinkie wrappers c'mon out...its always a laugh listening to your lungs whistle.
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    do you have set times/meeting spots?

    i will try to build it into my overly busy schedule... that is if i find any bike that is rideable...

    what time tuesday?

    Quote Originally Posted by nogearshere
    no.

    will be riding hilton again, if you can locate your bike amongst the twinkie wrappers c'mon out...its always a laugh listening to your lungs whistle.

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    7pm ooggles.

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    thank you dear...

    i'll see if i can make it...

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    Quote Originally Posted by osokolo
    i'll see if i can make it...
    pppppleaaaasssseeee do...and you will rue the day my boy, rue it.
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    today.
    friday jan 18th.
    9pm.
    it's exciting.
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    I'm in! Just let me know the secret meeting location!

    Hey!
    Trails around here are gonna be sweet tonight!
    But I can ride them solo anytime.

    So I am wondering if Y'all don't mind if I make the it out to Hilton Falls too?

    Do ya meet at the race track parking lot? Or over at the trail entrance by the track? Anywhere is good by me.

    Hopefully all those rocks don't mess up my wheel again!

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    HeyMcGyver, we are going to meet at the Tim Hortons at 9pm and then drive to the lot like last time.

    See you there!

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    tuesday again???

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    7:30pm this time?

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    Hey guys, I'd love to join you one of these times. If all goes as planned my singlespeed conversion will be done this week. Is this the usual meeting place:
    ...we could meet at the tim whortons 1 blk north of the 401 on hwy 25...
    I'm not sure about Tuesday this week, but Fridays are always good.

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    That'll work for me. Was good to see you come out with on Tues oggie, and same with McGyver on Friday. Both great rides for this time of season.

    Friday we usually meet around 9 at the tim hortons. to be confirmed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by osokolo
    7:30pm this time?
    please bring a working light but leave the excuses at home.
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    sir,

    yes sir,

    my original light is working... the filament is just fine... will bring it out just to prove it...

    so 7:15ish at tim hortons, or do we just meet where we parked the last time?

    7:15 in both cases?

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    please bring a working light but leave the excuses at home.

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    Anyone try to ride Hilton Falls last weekend? You think the trails will be ridable this weekend?

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    I haven't been in a while, also curious how the trails are. I know we are expected to get something like another 15-20 cm of snow tonight.

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    ride on saturday - feb 16th???

    Quote Originally Posted by nogearshere
    Holla out to Hilton Falls irregulars, anyone been on the trails in the last 48hrs?

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    okay, give me all your excuses why you cant come out... goggy-noggy, commin' out or still building the booth?

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    Quote Originally Posted by osokolo
    okay, give me all your excuses why you cant come out... goggy-noggy, commin' out or still building the booth?
    ooooh Oooogles darling... my leg is still broken ...

    does that give me a good enuff excuse why I can't come out and GET OUT OF RIDING
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    absolutely not...

    we need someone to keep a car warm so that when we come back from the ride we can get a life saving massage on the spot... noggy-doggy has lost his gentle touch - i fear he might be thinking he is a man...



    Quote Originally Posted by 1mystk
    ooooh Oooogles darling... my leg is still broken ...

    does that give me a good enuff excuse why I can't come out and GET OUT OF RIDING
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    Quote Originally Posted by osokolo
    we need someone to keep a car warm so that when we come back from the ride we can get a life saving massage on the spot... noggy-doggy has lost his gentle touch - i fear he might be thinking he is a man...
    I can come keep the car warm...

    life saving massage? Ooogles darlin... winter riding is not that rough on the body... I can think of other things that are

    noggy lost his touch eh? I can't comment as he never offered up a massage after I've been riding with him...the nerve...

    I hope I get to see pictures of this ride... I need some entertainment...
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    Has anyone been riding at Hilton Falls lately? The snow seems to be melting but I am wondering if the trails there are too muddy to ride or are they good? I was planning to go ride there on Friday (Good Friday = no school and no work ) Anyone got any info?
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    i am heading there weds night for a ride! Hope the conditions hold up.

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    Lemme know how the trails are when you get back. Good luck and enjoy your ride!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by 2_Tires
    Lemme know how the trails are when you get back. Good luck and enjoy your ride!!

    will do. I hope the rain and stuff today doesn't mess it all up, I will take pics if it is good.

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    Take pics even if it is bad
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    Quote Originally Posted by 2_Tires
    Take pics even if it is bad

    we backed out due to rain. poop

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    Quote Originally Posted by poisonfrog
    we backed out due to rain. poop
    'twas raining poop?

    it's worse then i thought...shite...
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    hahaha, anyone going to Hilton tomorrow?
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    Im going in on the weekend if conditions are o.k
    Any one know ?????

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    Hahahaha, I think we all want to know that but no one seems to know. If no ones is going tomorrow then I guess I'll have to be the Guinea Pig and find out when I go riding on Friday. Anyone want to join me? lol. I will post up Friday, maybe I'll even have some pictures, perhaps a video
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    Easter Weekend Update

    Quote Originally Posted by nogearshere
    Holla out to Hilton Falls irregulars, anyone been on the trails in the last 48hrs?
    Was there this past weekend for an adventure run race.
    Still about 3 feet of pack snow in the woods. Double track trails are in surprisingly good condition....flat, hard, and smooth as long as it is below 0C. Some of the single-track trails are rideable as well. No standing water...yet. Saw one group ride through on Saturday morning.

    No chance of snow disappearing during this month.....sorry folks. Place looks beautiful in the sunlight!
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    Rode there on Friday morning, it was somewhat decent givin the conditions. Definitely rideable but bumpy as heck with all of the frozen boot holes in the snow.

    WHY DOES IT KEEP SNOWING!

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    I'm starting to wonder if the hilton falls time trial will be worth doing on April 6th. If it is nothing but slush, it may not be that enjoyable. I suppose the tour of pelham might be an alternative. We'll see.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nspace
    WHY DOES IT KEEP SNOWING!
    Snow begins in the atmosphere as water condenses into a tiny droplet. As more and more water vapor condenses onto its surface, the droplet grows. Cold air then freezes this water into an ice crystal.

    Each ice crystal has a unique shape that depends on the surrounding air's temperature and water vapor content. If it is below freezing and there is a lot of water vapor in the air, the crystal grows six evenly spaced branches. More and more water vapor collects on these branches and freezes, making the ice crystal increasingly heavy. Eventually, the ice crystal falls from the sky, leaving the cloud of precipitation that it helped to form. As it falls, the crystal continues to grow by picking up more water vapor.

    As it descends, the ice crystal can come into contact with warmer air that makes it melt somewhat. This melting acts like a glue, causing crystals to bond together into larger flakes, forming what many people think of as the "classic" fluffy snowflake. If the crystals melt too much and then refreeze as they get closer to Earth's surface, the precipitation falls as sleet instead of snow.

    Once on the ground, snow will remain if temperatures are cold enough to keep it from melting. Glaciers that form on mountains, for example, are made up of snow that accumulates on the ground and eventually turns to ice.
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    Lol, nogearshere!

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    Single tracks were awesome this morning. Plenty of flotation on the snow. No ice. Double tracks were actually worse due to the footprints and loose snow. Very few people were out there. 2 skiers. 2 groups of bikers. 1 hiker.

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    as of 430pm too soft and grainy to bike.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hmto
    as of 430pm too soft and grainy to bike.
    approximately how much snow is left in the area?
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    multiple feet. If you go off the packed down path it is not unusual to find yourself in snow to your knees.

    I was there on Friday. It was a bit soft too but still great riding!

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    Quote Originally Posted by hmto
    as of 430pm too soft and grainy to bike.
    The afternoon is too warm for biking as the snow melts when it's above freezing. Tis better to bike when it's below freezing, like this morning at -4C.

    rkj, there was a couple of feet of snow on the ground, but flotation was great this morning .

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    Monday and tuesday are expected to give highs above 10 degrees. That will melt some snow.

    By the end of the week, I don't think we will have much at all left in Ancaster/Hamilton.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rkj__
    Monday and tuesday are expected to give highs above 10 degrees. That will melt some snow.

    By the end of the week, I don't think we will have much at all left in Ancaster/Hamilton.
    Let's hope so. There is way too much left.

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