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    crack is whack

    aha, this explains a lot on the mayors policy towards bicycles...

    Toronto Mayor Rob Ford in 'crack cocaine' video scandal | Toronto Star
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    Quote Originally Posted by singlesprocket View Post
    aha, this explains a lot on the mayors policy towards bicycles...

    Toronto Mayor Rob Ford in 'crack cocaine' video scandal | Toronto Star
    There's a good chance this vid is legit, but the story that goes with it is so implausible.

    A male and female reporter agree to get into the vehicle of a drug dealer (or just a druggie), leaving her purse, no phones, and agree to go to an undisclosed location (with her in the front seat) in an unknown vehicle to meet an unknown drug dealer to watch a video of Rob Ford smoking crack?

    Who would do that? That does NOT pass the sniff test.

    They then sat on this story for weeks and only now published it because some tabloid website did too? But they didn't do it to avoid being scooped, they did it only because they also met with these dealer(s).

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    Bob and Doug McKenzie would have likely been crazed anti-social characters if they were crack heads instead of beer drinking hosers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by singlesprocket View Post
    That's an interesting find.

    I read somewhere that the cost to build a single city intersection with networked traffic lights, crosswalks, and induction loops runs about $1 million. Now multiply that figure by all the signaled intersections in Toronto. $1.2 million for 380 bike parking spots, showers, and change rooms is a pittance by comparison.

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    "Maybe he's cleaning up the city... by smoking all the crack in it."

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    Some posts now deleted. If you're going to post in this thread at all, at least keep some focus on relevant cycling issues here please. If that strays too far, I will have to "bin" the whole thread as being primarily political (not allowed on mtbr).

    Or, if it's certain posters that can't lay off, I may have to "bin" them instead.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Circlip View Post
    Or, if it's certain posters that can't lay off, I may have to "bin" them instead.
    There goes the West Coaster shaking his big, Douglas Fur, stick at us. Here in the epicentre of Canada Rob Ford is equivalent to anti-cycling. Very relevant on this forum because he doesn't mean to setback the status of cyclists, but to eliminate us from roads...

    I don't care much about politics, but his position on cycling warrants ridicule on a cycling site.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Biggie View Post
    There goes the West Coaster shaking his big, Douglas Fur, stick at us.
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    Hehe.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Circlip View Post
    Some posts now deleted. If you're going to post in this thread at all, at least keep some focus on relevant cycling issues here please. If that strays too far, I will have to "bin" the whole thread as being primarily political (not allowed on mtbr).

    Or, if it's certain posters that can't lay off, I may have to "bin" them instead.
    i would also add keep focus on the topic, and not use it as a vehicle/excuse for personal attacks on forum members...

    we get enough of that at trail advocacy meetings.
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    plus city councils around here are fed articles like this
    Ten cyclist sins | The Grid TO

    it is a good thing that the anti-cycling camp has a crack developing. perhaps we can move forward again with cycling infrastructure not only in the major cities, but also in the suburbs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Biggie View Post
    There goes the West Coaster shaking his big, Douglas Fur, stick at us. Here in the epicentre of Canada Rob Ford is equivalent to anti-cycling. Very relevant on this forum because he doesn't mean to setback the status of cyclists, but to eliminate us from roads...

    I don't care much about politics, but his position on cycling warrants ridicule on a cycling site.
    All based on the media and some claiming he hates cycling because he thought a couple of bike lanes location was a bad idea.

    Reality is since he was elected there has been a shift in city bureaucracy. Problem is people would rather bulldoze lakeshore bike park and the 2 Scarborough bike path's if it meant getting rid of him.

    Politicians don't care about doing the right thing or whether there is enough bike lanes. They only care about what it takes to get elected.

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    actually that statement is false, within the bureaucracy there are many pro cycling champions. i have met/worked with city council members and higher level managers that support mountain biking and cycling. the trick is to seek them out and support them with regards to cycling advocacy. the downside right now is that the current mayor's office tends to label cycling advocates as leftest kooks/gravy-trainers and resorts to tactics (in some ways similar to what you do here) that derail/whitewash these issues/projects.


    i think it is a testament and dedication of these managers/project leaders/councilors that we have several trail projects going forward that will benefit the mountain bike community despite of what is going on. i've actually have seen some of these project funding models/plans and it looks promising. i think we are in for a trail renaissance in the next couple of years.
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    Quote Originally Posted by singlesprocket View Post
    actually that statement is false, within the bureaucracy there are many pro cycling champions. i have met/worked with city council members and higher level managers that support mountain biking and cycling. the trick is to seek them out and support them with regards to cycling advocacy. the downside right now is that the current mayor's office tends to label cycling advocates as leftest kooks/gravy-trainers and resorts to tactics (in some ways similar to what you do here) that derail/whitewash these issues/projects.


    i think it is a testament and dedication of these managers/project leaders/councilors that we have several trail projects going forward that will benefit the mountain bike community despite of what is going on. i've actually have seen some of these project funding models/plans and it looks promising. i think we are in for a trail renaissance in the next couple of years.
    Since you missed the point I'll clear it up.

    The current mentality occurring of endless negativity to which you are part of is the problem. All based on Rob Ford's statement made after his first election. Now everyone is completely focused on this Rob Ford hates cyclist's and is completely a negative hate machine. With no focus on other things like due to his being elected we are seeing a bike park, 2 bike paths in Scaborough, and the Lakeshore trail along the Scarborough Bluffs. Which would never have happened till this change. And are a huge deal for the communities that now have these.

    I choose not to join this little negativity pity party. The statement I made about politician's and voting came from Mr Lincoln Alexander. Who also said one should also vote on the person who meets your personal needs at the time not on who everyone else is bashing or whatever. So using that logic if I was to vote at this time Rob Ford has met my cycling needs.

    Reality is politicians are human to and have good and bad about them. Like all the rest of us who have faults and are kooks, oddballs, and such in our own little ways. It is human nature really. And thanks to the oddball Rob Ford being elected I have access to a bike path in Scarborough that now allows me to ride to the Rouge on a route that has less interaction with cars. And that is pretty good for me and the rest of the community I have seen using it.

    Now enough of this negative nonsense. Time to go plan our future skills park.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Enduramil View Post
    Since you missed the point I'll clear it up.

    The current mentality occurring of endless negativity to which you are part of is the problem. All based on Rob Ford's statement made after his first election. Now everyone is completely focused on this Rob Ford hates cyclist's and is completely a negative hate machine. With no focus on other things like due to his being elected we are seeing a bike park, 2 bike paths in Scaborough, and the Lakeshore trail along the Scarborough Bluffs. Which would never have happened till this change. And are a huge deal for the communities that now have these.

    I choose not to join this little negativity pity party. The statement I made about politician's and voting came from Mr Lincoln Alexander. Who also said one should also vote on the person who meets your personal needs at the time not on who everyone else is bashing or whatever. So using that logic if I was to vote at this time Rob Ford has met my cycling needs.

    Reality is politicians are human to and have good and bad about them. Like all the rest of us who have faults and are kooks, oddballs, and such in our own little ways. It is human nature really. And thanks to the oddball Rob Ford being elected I have access to a bike path in Scarborough that now allows me to ride to the Rouge on a route that has less interaction with cars. And that is pretty good for me and the rest of the community I have seen using it.

    Now enough of this negative nonsense. Time to go plan our future skills park.
    Those bike lanes were built in spite of Rob Ford...he fought them to the bitter end. Read, Jarvis Street lanes.

    This is what he really said:

    I cant support bike lanes. Roads are built for buses, cars and trucks. Not for people on bikes. And my heart bleeds for them when I hear someone gets killed, but its their own fault at the end of the day.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Enduramil View Post
    the Lakeshore trail along the Scarborough Bluffs. Which would never have happened till this change. And are a huge deal for the communities that now have these.
    The "trail" along the top of the bluffs is a weak network of street signs on existing meandering residential roads with dozens of stop signs per km.

    The trail along the bottom of the bluffs was constructed mostly in the 70s and 80s to prevent millionaire's homes (that should never have been built there in the first place) from erosion they should have seen coming. And it was done on on the public (TRCA) dime. Bikes are just *allowed* there when they aren't filling in more of the lake with construction rubble.

    I'm not saying I these projects weren't helpful or necessary, but let's not pretend we've built any real cycling infrastructure in south Scarborough, rather than just re-purposing something else.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JM01 View Post
    Those bike lanes were built in spite of Rob Ford...he fought them to the bitter end. Read, Jarvis Street lanes.

    This is what he really said:

    I cant support bike lanes. Roads are built for buses, cars and trucks. Not for people on bikes. And my heart bleeds for them when I hear someone gets killed, but its their own fault at the end of the day.
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    And just like all of today's elected figures..they all say dumb things and take weird positions.

    And if I recall correctly there was something I heard about a skills park proposed for Ben Trash aka The old Beare Rd Dump. Which combined with other things proves that thanks to Rob Ford has created a change of mentality. This was straight from the city rep's mouth.

    Regardless of whether Ford uses crack..though it does prove what I thought for 10 years. They are all on drugs. Besides with politicians involved all it leads to is riders fighting each other. As proven during other incidents, once they are removed/leaveit's amazing what can happen.

    There have been some big changes for mountain bikers since 2007. Hopefully the city complete's the Lakeshore trail along the Scarborough Bluffs before Pan Am's. All thanks to guy's like Scott Laver.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ghettocruiser View Post
    The "trail" along the top of the bluffs is a weak network of street signs on existing meandering residential roads with dozens of stop signs per km.

    The trail along the bottom of the bluffs was constructed mostly in the 70s and 80s to prevent millionaire's homes (that should never have been built there in the first place) from erosion they should have seen coming. And it was done on on the public (TRCA) dime. Bikes are just *allowed* there when they aren't filling in more of the lake with construction rubble.

    I'm not saying I these projects weren't helpful or necessary, but let's not pretend we've built any real cycling infrastructure in south Scarborough, rather than just re-purposing something else.
    Didn't you get the memo? No one rides bikes just like no one needs better transit in Scarborough.

    I'm more thinking it would be more like the section between Rouge Hill station and Highland Creek water treatment plant. Wonder though if there will be anything put together near UofT Scarborough. Once they have the facility built in the next year.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Enduramil View Post
    I'm more thinking it would be more like the section between Rouge Hill station and Highland Creek water treatment plant. Wonder though if there will be anything put together near UofT Scarborough. Once they have the facility built in the next year.
    As far as I know:

    1. The section of truck road below Sylvan park is temporary and will be removed or allowed to be washed away by the Lake. (which is actually fine with me)

    2. There is insufficient slope stability in the lower Gully to allow heavy vehicles (for regrading and resurfacing?) on the Doris McCarthy trail (which is very fine with me)

    3. There are no plans to link the Meadowcliffe infill area through Cudia Park to Bluffers. (which would be kind of pointless anyways with the Lake washing the base of the bluffs at Sylvan and no Gully trail refinishing)

    4. The section of the Highland Creek trail that washed away (months after being repaved) on the UoT Scarborough property has no known time frame for repair, and if the remaining dirt berm carry-over collapses, no viable detours. There used to be singletrack that allowed a bypass through the old Scarborough Campus toboggan hill walkway in the 1990s, but so many trees have fallen over that section I got lost last time I tried it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ghettocruiser View Post
    As far as I know:


    3. There are no plans to link the Meadowcliffe infill area through Cudia Park to Bluffers. (which would be kind of pointless anyways with the Lake washing the base of the bluffs at Sylvan and no Gully trail refinishing)

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    Don't forget the high pitched whine that would come from those who own property near the edge of the Bluffs if the city wanted to try.

    And I have heard a trail fairy has been busy building trail on the Bluffs in the last year.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Enduramil View Post
    And thanks to the oddball Rob Ford being elected I have access to a bike path in Scarborough
    rob ford has nothing to do with adding bike lanes or bike parks... many of these projects where years in the making and predate his run in office. rather he is involved with there removal as posters here mentioned.

    i think this quote sums up his attitude quite well towards cyclists...

    Cyclists are a pain in the ass.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JM01 View Post
    Those bike lanes were built in spite of Rob Ford...he fought them to the bitter end. Read, Jarvis Street lanes.

    This is what he really said:

    I cant support bike lanes. Roads are built for buses, cars and trucks. Not for people on bikes. And my heart bleeds for them when I hear someone gets killed, but its their own fault at the end of the day.
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    Rob Ford Quotes - Stop Rob Ford | stop rob ford
    choosing Jarvis to build bike lanes at the expense of one lane less for the vehicles was as dumb as building gas plants and then removing them at the cost of $600mil plus.

    Ford was not against bike lanes - he was against bike lanes on Jarvis, as there are few other much better options that include less car travelled side streets. I agree completely with the removal of bike lanes on Jarvis.

    Also, the bike parking and showers at the City Hall at the cost of $1.2 mil is a bad, bad idea. Any females here that would park their city bike in that area and then take a shower in unsupervised, public shower, at the time of day when there is not much traffic? Are you kidding me? I am sure this bike parking would be loaded with parked bikes between December and March, belonging to bike commuters who will commute to work on their bikes during winter as well...

    This city simply does not have biking culture. We can not compare ourselves to Dutch or English or Swedish or some other European cities. Sure, there are few commuters on bicycles during the summer, but even that is a far cry in a multi million metropolis such as Toronto. Most of Toronto infrastructure can not accommodate bike lanes, whether we like it or not. New projects - by all means - but existing streets - must be thought out carefully.

    For the handful of us who dream about bike lanes - it is an uphill battle as it is very hard to justify the need. Sure in theory - we can all speak politically correct language, mentioning carbon footprint, environment and other Suzuki-esque crap, but the reality is a bit different. If we lose the touch with reality, like Miller did - that will get us nowhere.

    Now bike parks and trail systems are a whole another story and a different debate.

    With regards to crack video - where is it? Once we all see it - then let's talk about it. Until then - what Toronto Star did - and they did it in the past multiple times as well - is dropped the journalistic ethics to the lowest level I have ever seen. They prostituted the paper so badly, trying to service those that can not get over the fact that Ford won the election in a landslide... Where is the democracy that we are thumping our collective chest about? This is a witch hunt at it's best, competing with the best days of USSR communism with Stalin and Khrushchev at their helm...

    I did send few emails to Ford, regarding his perceived stance on cycling in the city and around it - and received responses from him directly, which I am happy with. I personally do not think Ford is anti-cyclist. He is just a messenger who is telling us the truth that we do not like. No need to shoot the messenger. If we push our agenda without reason, we are doing more damage to our cause than helping it.

    If anyone sees the crack video - lemme know. If not, at least some here will get their money back from Gawker, eh?

    Win-win.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ghettocruiser View Post
    The "trail" along the top of the bluffs is a weak network of street signs on existing meandering residential roads with dozens of stop signs per km.

    The trail along the bottom of the bluffs was constructed mostly in the 70s and 80s to prevent millionaire's homes (that should never have been built there in the first place) from erosion they should have seen coming. And it was done on on the public (TRCA) dime. Bikes are just *allowed* there when they aren't filling in more of the lake with construction rubble.

    I'm not saying I these projects weren't helpful or necessary, but let's not pretend we've built any real cycling infrastructure in south Scarborough, rather than just re-purposing something else.
    well said...

    good example of perceived pro-cycling governments who actually didn't give a crap about cycling... we are sheep... why not...
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    Quote Originally Posted by osokolo View Post
    choosing Jarvis to build bike lanes at the expense of one lane less for the vehicles was as dumb as building gas plants and then removing them at the cost of $600mil plus.

    Ford was not against bike lanes - he was against bike lanes on Jarvis, as there are few other much better options that include less car travelled side streets. I agree completely with the removal of bike lanes on Jarvis.

    Also, the bike parking and showers at the City Hall at the cost of $1.2 mil is a bad, bad idea. Any females here that would park their city bike in that area and then take a shower in unsupervised, public shower, at the time of day when there is not much traffic? Are you kidding me? I am sure this bike parking would be loaded with parked bikes between December and March, belonging to bike commuters who will commute to work on their bikes during winter as well...

    This city simply does not have biking culture. We can not compare ourselves to Dutch or English or Swedish or some other European cities. Sure, there are few commuters on bicycles during the summer, but even that is a far cry in a multi million metropolis such as Toronto. Most of Toronto infrastructure can not accommodate bike lanes, whether we like it or not. New projects - by all means - but existing streets - must be thought out carefully.

    For the handful of us who dream about bike lanes - it is an uphill battle as it is very hard to justify the need. Sure in theory - we can all speak politically correct language, mentioning carbon footprint, environment and other Suzuki-esque crap, but the reality is a bit different. If we lose the touch with reality, like Miller did - that will get us nowhere.

    Now bike parks and trail systems are a whole another story and a different debate.

    With regards to crack video - where is it? Once we all see it - then let's talk about it. Until then - what Toronto Star did - and they did it in the past multiple times as well - is dropped the journalistic ethics to the lowest level I have ever seen. They prostituted the paper so badly, trying to service those that can not get over the fact that Ford won the election in a landslide... Where is the democracy that we are thumping our collective chest about? This is a witch hunt at it's best, competing with the best days of USSR communism with Stalin and Khrushchev at their helm...

    I did send few emails to Ford, regarding his perceived stance on cycling in the city and around it - and received responses from him directly, which I am happy with. I personally do not think Ford is anti-cyclist. He is just a messenger who is telling us the truth that we do not like. No need to shoot the messenger. If we push our agenda without reason, we are doing more damage to our cause than helping it.

    If anyone sees the crack video - lemme know. If not, at least some here will get their money back from Gawker, eh?

    Win-win.

    cheers..
    Sorry, you're very wrong or you have no idea what happens behind the scenes. Rob Ford is pathologically anti-cycling.

    I've worked with Ford, Holyday, and Milczyn to introduce and preserve our Etobicoke bike lanes...they fought like heck not only to prevent lanes on Burnamthorpe and Bloor from Islington to The West Mall, but also tried to remove that lanes from Rathburn. I worked with City Hall on the Jarvis lanes because that 1890's street was never designed for 5 lanes...adding that 5'th lane made it a death trap for cyclists, forcing them to ride on the sidewalk. I didn't ride Jarvis until they introduced the bike lanes. Also, I won one of the categories in the Toronto Bicycle Friendly Business Awards for 2007...got wined and dined in city hall, got flushed down the toilet with Ford's election.

    Don Cherry's speech at Ford's inaugural was the #1 reason why I moved from Toronto...it just wasn't my kind of place anymore. I was the only resident in Islington Village that had a Ford sign on my lawn, both my wife and I voted for him, he called me personally 10 minutes after the polls closed to invite me to his victory party at the Congress Centre...supporting that jerk was the biggest mistake I've made. He betrayed you all (I'm gone from TO).

    Toronto does not have a cycling culture because of people like Ford. To ridicule bike parking at City Hall is to evade reality, to withdraw financial support from Bixi is criminal, to veto bike lanes on major streets makes Toronto a global laughingstock, yet he drives a Caddy SUV.

    You need to look at what he does, not what he says...and, yes, he, just like his sister, does have serious substance abuse issues, I know this first hand.

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    Quote Originally Posted by osokolo View Post
    well said...

    good example of perceived pro-cycling governments who actually didn't give a crap about cycling... we are sheep... why not...
    People need to learn the difference between recreational multi-use trails like the Martin Goodman/Don Valley/Humber and real life bike lanes used by real life people for their real life commuting and city travel needs. For 10 years I was a year round commuter from Etobicoke to the downtown core...only ended up in the hospital two times but was pulled out from under two trucks, dislocated both shoulders, got "doored" five times, slid out on street cars tracks every winter, and witnessed two cycling fatalities, both caused by trucks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JM01 View Post
    Also, I won one of the categories in the Toronto Bicycle Friendly Business Awards for 2007...got wined and dined in city hall, got flushed down the toilet with Ford's election.
    "Toronto Bicycle Friendly Business Award"???

    oh god... congrats... didn't know my tax money went for these kind of mass dinners... hope the wine was good.



    Toronto does not have a cycling culture because of people like Ford.
    i guess Toronto had massive biking culture for a couple of hundreds of years, which Ford managed to destroy in two years since he became the mayor? you are blaming non-existence of biking culture on Ford? nice...

    To ridicule bike parking at City Hall is to evade reality
    what reality - that the city will lose revenue from parking spots in order to keep EMPTY bike parking spots and rotten showers that no one will use as they are DANGEROUS for men, let alone women? evading reality is very relative term.

    to withdraw financial support from Bixi is criminal
    dude - have a reality check. bixi is LOSING MONEY because, as i suggested - THERE IS NO BIKING CULTURE IN TORONTO.

    Why would my tax money support business that is LOSING MONEY? why don't you donate some of your cash and keep that losing proposition up and running for another few months? and you call other people commies??? c'mon...

    to veto bike lanes on major streets makes Toronto a global laughingstock, yet he drives a Caddy SUV.
    i drive diesel, does that make me enemy as well?

    You need to look at what he does, not what he says...and, yes, he, just like his sister, does have serious substance abuse issues, I know this first hand.
    i do look at what he does. he is not WASTING my tax money like drunken sailor, like his predecessor did. so far this man has endured outrageous personal attacks by commie media and i certainly hope that it will make him more determined to stay the course...

    if you thought that Ford's 2:1 landslide victory at the last election was weak - wait until the next election.

    if i may ask you a question - if you knew that Ford was so anti-cycling - why in the hell did you vote for him. you contradicted yourself a few times in your post...

    i would love to see these $1.2 millions that would have been wasted for building teh bike parking - spent at Albion Hills, Hilton Fals, Kelso or building bike parks in Toronto... for 6 months that most people would consider commuting to work on their bikes one or two days per week, every 3rd week - the expense is not justified... sorry... that is just my opinion. i hope we will still ride in your neck of the woods this summer...
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    Quote Originally Posted by JM01 View Post
    People need to learn the difference between recreational multi-use trails like the Martin Goodman/Don Valley/Humber and real life bike lanes used by real life people for their real life commuting and city travel needs. For 10 years I was a year round commuter from Etobicoke to the downtown core...only ended up in the hospital two times but was pulled out from under two trucks, dislocated both shoulders, got "doored" five times, slid out on street cars tracks every winter, and witnessed two cycling fatalities, both caused by trucks.
    and PLEASE don't tell me that above incidents, for which i am very sorry, would have been avoided if we had more bike lanes?

    no sir. it will take decades of hard work to build the culture in toronto, and a mayor or few councillors are insignificant players... it is either a great majority of Torontonians, that must support this culture, or it will not work. unfortunately, i just don't see it happening - which does not mean i am not lobbying for it - at least i am riding my bike in the city, despite ignorant cagers who threaten my life on every outing - as you know yourself.
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    Ford was not against bike lanes - he was against bike lanes on Jarvis, as there are few other much better options that include less car travelled side streets. I agree completely with the removal of bike lanes on Jarvis.
    I have touched this in a previous thread about 3 years ago. Reality is the hard core bike commuters and riders in Toronto are a minority. The majority are people who have little skill and capability to be around traffic on a bike. Yet the people pushing bike lanes on busy roads are the highly skilled riders who willingly take those busy roads. We need to spend less time on busy road bike routes.

    Oh, and only those smoking Dream On Light's think that a painted white line will create safety on a busy road.

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    With regards to crack video - where is it? Once we all see it - then let's talk about it. Until then - what Toronto Star did - and they did it in the past multiple times as well - is dropped the journalistic ethics to the lowest level I have ever seen. They prostituted the paper so badly, trying to service those that can not get over the fact that Ford won the election in a landslide... Where is the democracy that we are thumping our collective chest about? This is a witch hunt at it's best, competing with the best days of USSR communism with Stalin and Khrushchev at their helm...
    Of all the people on this board. Uncle Oggies I respect the most on this as he has experienced both and sees the bigger picture.

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    I did send few emails to Ford, regarding his perceived stance on cycling in the city and around it - and received responses from him directly, which I am happy with. I personally do not think Ford is anti-cyclist. He is just a messenger who is telling us the truth that we do not like. No need to shoot the messenger. If we push our agenda without reason, we are doing more damage to our cause than helping it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JM01 View Post
    People need to learn the difference between recreational multi-use trails like the Martin Goodman/Don Valley/Humber and real life bike lanes used by real life people for their real life commuting and city travel needs.


    Sorry, but if I have a choice between taking a bike lane on a busy street that you propose. No thanks, I'll take the extra 20 minutes via the Don Valley Path, Belt Line, or Lakeshore path.

    Why? Simple observation.

    20 plus years riding Vancouver..hit once, doored twice, and clipped maybe 6 times.

    5 years in Toronto...hit twice, clipped way to many times, assaulted twice because I was on the road, and so on.

    What does that tell me? Toronto is absolutely not cycling friendly.

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    I've worked with Ford, Holyday, and Milczyn to introduce and preserve our Etobicoke bike lanes...they fought like heck not only to prevent lanes on Burnamthorpe and Bloor from Islington to The West Mall, but also tried to remove that lanes from Rathburn.
    I live in Etobicoke and I'm very familiar with these roads. Those stretches of Bloor and Burnhamthorpe are major arteries with lots of traffic, trucks and idiot jackass drivers. Not to mention the wonky interchange at 6-point. Putting bike lanes on those roads is asking to get cyclists killed. It's the same reason Eglinton doesn't have a bike lane, it has a bike path that's completely separated from the road. Unlike Eglinton, there's no space to build such a bike path on Bloor or Burnhamthorpe.

    As for Rathburn, the bike lanes work but they can get hairy as hell during rush hour. Especially when people start illegally parking their cars in front of the schools or when buses stop dead on the road. It doesn't bother me since I'm a former bike courier and not much phases me anymore, but for people who aren't as comfortable with traffic it's not going to be a fun ride.

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    Of all the people on this board. Uncle Oggies I respect the most on this as he has experienced both and sees the bigger picture.
    Sorry...based on his posts it's obvious that he needs to get out into his city more often...

    He is not aware that there is a HUGE cycling culture in Toronto, perhaps he should try to find a place to lock his bike anywhere in town...it's estimated that there are over 100,000 bikes on the streets in the downtown core daily during the week. Not the weekend warriors on their Cervelos on the bike paths, but real, self-propelled people who use bikes as there primary means of transportation.

    He ridicules the Bike Friendly Business Awards which was the city's program to recognize companies that encouraged their employees to cycle rather than drive to work...Toronto also sponsors an annual bike to work week with free water at major intersections and lots of support. It strikes me as odd that a cycling zealot would defend cars and drivers and imply that city cyclists are idiots. It's one thing to not support bike lanes but he should not advocate their removal...it was hard enough to get them implemented.

    Toronto is designed on a 19'th century grid that was intended for horse and wagon travel, but European cities are much older and have thriving bike cultures. Funny what can happen when the citizens encourage their politicians to support cycling. Oggie should help Rob Ford (his sort of neighbour on Edenbridge in Etobi-coke) to build more bike lanes, especially on Burnamthorpe which could be used a a major cycling route to Mississauga. Holyday blames Milzcyn, Milczyn says that Holyday is the obstacle...maybe if Toronto had true leadership, things would happen, but cyclists need to demand change like they did in Europe, not promote car only traffic. Oggie would be the last person to engage on the war on bikes, but he's quickly losing my respect. Those are hard words to type.

    And yes, a painted line does offer some protection but needs to be enforced...no parking in bike lanes and the one metre law needs to be enforced as well. If more drivers were charged for endangering cyclists, things would quickly change. The cops go after cell 'phone users, why not those that kill cyclists. Riding in town I've seen countless confrontations between drivers and cyclists, I've lost count how many times I've taken verbal abuse for just riding along the curb. After Ford got elected, it got much worse, drivers now think they're entitled to the streets...I had one guy drive over my foot on Brunswick Avenue...intentionally.

    Sadly, Oggie has become part of the problem...I worked to be part of the solution and hate to admit that I gave up and left Toronto to a place where cycling is considered the new golf.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JM01 View Post
    Sorry...based on his posts it's obvious that he needs to get out into his city more often...

    He is not aware that there is a HUGE cycling culture in Toronto, perhaps he should try to find a place to lock his bike anywhere in town...it's estimated that there are over 100,000 bikes on the streets in the downtown core daily during the week. Not the weekend warriors on their Cervelos on the bike paths, but real, self-propelled people who use bikes as there primary means of transportation.

    He ridicules the Bike Friendly Business Awards which was the city's program to recognize companies that encouraged their employees to cycle rather than drive to work...Toronto also sponsors an annual bike to work week with free water at major intersections and lots of support. It strikes me as odd that a cycling zealot would defend cars and drivers and imply that city cyclists are idiots. It's one thing to not support bike lanes but he should not advocate their removal...it was hard enough to get them implemented.

    Toronto is designed on a 19'th century grid that was intended for horse and wagon travel, but European cities are much older and have thriving bike cultures. Funny what can happen when the citizens encourage their politicians to support cycling. Oggie should help Rob Ford (his sort of neighbour on Edenbridge in Etobi-coke) to build more bike lanes, especially on Burnamthorpe which could be used a a major cycling route to Mississauga. Holyday blames Milzcyn, Milczyn says that Holyday is the obstacle...maybe if Toronto had true leadership, things would happen, but cyclists need to demand change like they did in Europe, not promote car only traffic. Oggie would be the last person to engage on the war on bikes, but he's quickly losing my respect. Those are hard words to type.

    And yes, a painted line does offer some protection but needs to be enforced...no parking in bike lanes and the one metre law needs to be enforced as well. If more drivers were charged for endangering cyclists, things would quickly change. The cops go after cell 'phone users, why not those that kill cyclists. Riding in town I've seen countless confrontations between drivers and cyclists, I've lost count how many times I've taken verbal abuse for just riding along the curb. After Ford got elected, it got much worse, drivers now think they're entitled to the streets...I had one guy drive over my foot on Brunswick Avenue...intentionally.

    Sadly, Oggie has become part of the problem...I worked to be part of the solution and hate to admit that I gave up and left Toronto to a place where cycling is considered the new golf.
    Wow, I guess we won't ride together in your neck of the woods. Luckily, I have many friends in your neck of the woods who wouldn't lose respect if we disagreed on contentious issues. I still respect your opinions. You should try to do the same.

    Without getting into rebutting your statements many of which are just a pipe dream in my opinion, your last paragraph says it all. Legendary bike advocate, bicycling award winner, mayors personal friend - left the city, quitting the fight he couldn't win.

    It is exactly what what I am talking about. Don't shoot the messenger. I am not the enemy.

    Now you can get back on your high horse and go play golf. Pardon me - I meant ride your bike.
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    you hit the nail on the head jm01, toronto has a wonderful bike culture of diverse styles of riding. we need to pursue the vision of sustainable transportation, every painted bike lane line is a success. i'm currently working very hard (and others) to create a transportation/trail route up the humber river so people can access recreation areas (and commute) on their bikes. the "Bike Friendly Business Awards" is a great idea and should be promoted more. it is shameful that it is ridiculed here as well as anyone who works for and promotes sustainable lifestyles/business.
    the good news is we are making inroads. the trca is now considering environmentally sustainable transportation links in it's trail designs/plans/land use. this is very important news and i'm excited to part of it in a small way.





    Quote Originally Posted by JM01 View Post
    Sorry...based on his posts it's obvious that he needs to get out into his city more often...

    He is not aware that there is a HUGE cycling culture in Toronto, perhaps he should try to find a place to lock his bike anywhere in town...it's estimated that there are over 100,000 bikes on the streets in the downtown core daily during the week. Not the weekend warriors on their Cervelos on the bike paths, but real, self-propelled people who use bikes as there primary means of transportation.

    He ridicules the Bike Friendly Business Awards which was the city's program to recognize companies that encouraged their employees to cycle rather than drive to work...Toronto also sponsors an annual bike to work week with free water at major intersections and lots of support. It strikes me as odd that a cycling zealot would defend cars and drivers and imply that city cyclists are idiots. It's one thing to not support bike lanes but he should not advocate their removal...it was hard enough to get them implemented.

    Toronto is designed on a 19'th century grid that was intended for horse and wagon travel, but European cities are much older and have thriving bike cultures. Funny what can happen when the citizens encourage their politicians to support cycling. Oggie should help Rob Ford (his sort of neighbour on Edenbridge in Etobi-coke) to build more bike lanes, especially on Burnamthorpe which could be used a a major cycling route to Mississauga. Holyday blames Milzcyn, Milczyn says that Holyday is the obstacle...maybe if Toronto had true leadership, things would happen, but cyclists need to demand change like they did in Europe, not promote car only traffic. Oggie would be the last person to engage on the war on bikes, but he's quickly losing my respect. Those are hard words to type.

    And yes, a painted line does offer some protection but needs to be enforced...no parking in bike lanes and the one metre law needs to be enforced as well. If more drivers were charged for endangering cyclists, things would quickly change. The cops go after cell 'phone users, why not those that kill cyclists. Riding in town I've seen countless confrontations between drivers and cyclists, I've lost count how many times I've taken verbal abuse for just riding along the curb. After Ford got elected, it got much worse, drivers now think they're entitled to the streets...I had one guy drive over my foot on Brunswick Avenue...intentionally.

    Sadly, Oggie has become part of the problem...I worked to be part of the solution and hate to admit that I gave up and left Toronto to a place where cycling is considered the new golf.
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    Quote Originally Posted by singlesprocket View Post
    you hit the nail on the head jm01, toronto has a wonderful bike culture of diverse styles of riding. we need to pursue the vision of sustainable transportation, every painted bike lane line is a success. i'm currently working very hard (and others) to create a transportation/trail route up the humber river so people can access recreation areas (and commute) on their bikes. the "Bike Friendly Business Awards" is a great idea and should be promoted more. it is shameful that it is ridiculed here as well as anyone who works for and promotes sustainable lifestyles/business.
    the good news is we are making inroads. the trca is now considering environmentally sustainable transportation links in it's trail designs/plans/land use. this is very important news and i'm excited to part of it in a small way.
    I wish you all the luck, really, it's really just a matter of working with those that support self propelled people. Talk to the people at places like Bike Pirates, the cycling people at city hall, the "pinko" politicians...there's a lot of people working behind the scenes to make Toronto a bike friendly city. Sadly Ford got elected by lying to the people and now represents a shrinking minority of Ford Nation people, mostly 905'ers that use the city but don't live in it. After 7 months in the U.S., Ford reminds me of the people in the NRA, the Tea Party members, and birthers...people who promote a failed ideology and refuse to listen to facts. They used to be called Luddites, people who haven't crawled out of the 19'th century.

    I'm saddened that Oggie, an avid cyclist, chooses to engage in personal attacks (his last post) and ignores modern reality. He should drive (?) through the Annex, around UofT, the financial district, Distillery District, and The Beach...maybe ride from the eastern beaches to the Humber River along Queen St. He'll be amazed by the bike culture and the number of cyclists wiling to take the risk by riding with cars, trucks, and streetcars on the same road. It was my favourite ride, as well as Bloor from Kipling to Main Street, and further.

    He ridicules me for riding in the Collingwood area...his earlier posts stated that he looked forward to riding around here, arguably the best road and MTB area in Ontario. He thinks it funny that we consider cycling the new golf up here but the golf courses are going bankrupt and the bike clubs are thriving.

    After several high profile incidents involving cars and bikes (Leah was the courier that picked up at my office, great kid), the situation became politically polarized, it truly became a war on bikes and cars, problem was that the cars always won, Ford just made it acceptable to hate bikes.

    Again, good luck with your endeavors, I trust that eventually sanity will win out, but it's people with Oggie's attitude that need to be enlightened.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JM01 View Post
    I wish you all the luck, really, it's really just a matter of working with those that support self propelled people. Talk to the people at places like Bike Pirates, the cycling people at city hall, the "pinko" politicians...there's a lot of people working behind the scenes to make Toronto a bike friendly city. Sadly Ford got elected by lying to the people and now represents a shrinking minority of Ford Nation people, mostly 905'ers that use the city but don't live in it. After 7 months in the U.S., Ford reminds me of the people in the NRA, the Tea Party members, and birthers...people who promote a failed ideology and refuse to listen to facts. They used to be called Luddites, people who haven't crawled out of the 19'th century.

    I'm saddened that Oggie, an avid cyclist, chooses to engage in personal attacks (his last post) and ignores modern reality. He should drive (?) through the Annex, around UofT, the financial district, Distillery District, and The Beach...maybe ride from the eastern beaches to the Humber River along Queen St. He'll be amazed by the bike culture and the number of cyclists wiling to take the risk by riding with cars, trucks, and streetcars on the same road. It was my favourite ride, as well as Bloor from Kipling to Main Street, and further.

    He ridicules me for riding in the Collingwood area...his earlier posts stated that he looked forward to riding around here, arguably the best road and MTB area in Ontario. He thinks it funny that we consider cycling the new golf up here but the golf courses are going bankrupt and the bike clubs are thriving.

    After several high profile incidents involving cars and bikes (Leah was the courier that picked up at my office, great kid), the situation became politically polarized, it truly became a war on bikes and cars, problem was that the cars always won, Ford just made it acceptable to hate bikes.

    Again, good luck with your endeavors, I trust that eventually sanity will win out, but it's people with Oggie's attitude that need to be enlightened.
    wow JM01, i probably should just ignore your post, but i am disappointed that you skewed my statements like "He ridicules me for riding in Colingwood...". Never said that, doesn't make sense.

    Besides - sensitive much? I have read some posts by you in the past and even now in my thread about road bike choice, that were so harsh, that i can't believe my posts hurt you. I hope nothing traumatic happened to you while you were in the USA. That would explain your sensitivity.

    But speaking of ridiculing - i will ridicule you for suggesting that Oggie needs to be enlightened. From your comfy and SAFE armchair in Collingwood. After you left Toronto, the city with "great biking culture", where you had to fight for your life while riding, every time you get on the city street. It is easy to encourage front line fighters from the armoured vehicle way back behind, in the safe zone.

    I am still fighting the battle in Toronto. Enlightened every day when I ride by white painted bicycles, symbolizing unnecessary death of an unknown cyclist who was in most cases obeying by the laws, including riding in HIS BIKE LANE, but just unlucky. Add more white lines that will separate cyclists from the cars.. yeah... keep dreaming.

    I am enlightened every day by the cagers, who don't care about the bike lane, or parked cars right in the bike lane, some of which I have to dodge in the last second as my alternate line is denied by the cager, who takes sick pleasure taking it away from me. Just for fun.

    Yeah, we have a great biking culture in Toronto.

    I was enlightened on at least one occasion by Toronto cops on bikes as well, who treated me like a criminal, encircling me as if i was going to try to run away, just because my "Cervelo" did not have a ring bell. It's not Cervelo by the way. It's Pinarello Dogma now. As you know, i am a poseur as well.

    I must admit - singlesprocket is making more sense than you on this subject. His effort is going in much more realistic direction - completely separate bike paths, where there are no vehicles. I fully support this idea and i think it has a chance to succeed. I am also grateful to those that are working on it. Though i am not directly involved due to insufficient number of hours in one day, i extend my financial support when there is an opportunity. Or lobbying. Or just riding. And i can promise you, i will not quit riding in Toronto and move to a safer area. I will stubbornly keep riding and dodging cagers. How's that for enlightenment?

    Don't take it personal. Our opinions are not that different at all. Remember - i am not the enemy. And I still read your posts with interest, just stop whining like a spoiled kid whose toy was taken away. It's unlike you.

    bleh, it is probably time to bin the thread. too much politics and nothing good can come out if it, ever.

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    bleh, it is probably time to bin the thread. too much politics and nothing good can come out if it, ever.

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    I believe this whole mess is really less about politics but as shown by JM. More to do with the feeling of betrayal.

    In the end we all want to see the good in others even when evidence shows other wise. If it wasn't true look at people like Russ Williams and that Miller chap who where all described as nice wonderful people.

    So when people where sick of David Miller they wanted another option. People wanted Rob Ford who was that better option to be better. The cyclist's wanted to believe he wouldn't through them under the bus. All this despite knowing his previous behaviour that being as JM described as pathologically anti bike. So when faced with the ugly truth once he was elected and put forth the whole bike lane thing. Everyone was upset when faced with the truth.

    Reality is as has been proven is that politicians only care to win votes. And as JM learned the hard way that is what they do. Sad but very true.

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    ... riding in the Collingwood area...arguably the best road and MTB area in Ontario. He thinks it funny that we consider cycling the new golf up here but the golf courses are going bankrupt and the bike clubs are thriving.
    I love riding in the Collingwood area: DH (we rode blue Mtn today), trail riding (we recently rode in Kolapore) and road (we rode in Beaver Valley a few weeks ago).
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    It doesn't bother me since I'm a former bike courier and not much phases me anymore, but for people who aren't as comfortable with traffic it's not going to be a fun ride.
    This is the issue that is really overlooked.

    And speaking of bad areas. Let us look at a problem area that Ghetto Cruiser and I discussed a few years ago on this forum. The area is the 401 between Conlins Road and Pharmacy Ave. All those over and underpasses of the busy streets like Kennedy with no other options for a cyclist to past the 401. Which led to precisely as I predicted many years ago on April

    Cyclist killed in multi-vehicle collision in Scarborough - Toronto - CBC News


    Police allege the driver ran a red light and subsequently struck 37-year-old Henry Mejia, who witnesses say was thrown 30 metres through the air as a result of the collision.

    Toronto police Const. Hugh Smith told reporters that the victim "didn't have any chance," as the cyclist was "right at that impact point" when he was struck. Mejia died at the scene.

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    personal attacks is nothing new here, it is a tactic employed to divert attention away from a subject or to derail a thread and get it locked down or removed. kinda funny actually because it is the same tactics that the anti-cycling crowd uses... actually it is good practice here dealing with such behavior and carrying forward those skills to advocacy meetings. i applaud you for your honesty jm01. it is refreshing to read and good to know that there are people like you.



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    I wish you all the luck, really, it's really just a matter of working with those that support self propelled people. Talk to the people at places like Bike Pirates, the cycling people at city hall, the "pinko" politicians...there's a lot of people working behind the scenes to make Toronto a bike friendly city. Sadly Ford got elected by lying to the people and now represents a shrinking minority of Ford Nation people, mostly 905'ers that use the city but don't live in it. After 7 months in the U.S., Ford reminds me of the people in the NRA, the Tea Party members, and birthers...people who promote a failed ideology and refuse to listen to facts. They used to be called Luddites, people who haven't crawled out of the 19'th century.

    I'm saddened that Oggie, an avid cyclist, chooses to engage in personal attacks (his last post) and ignores modern reality. He should drive (?) through the Annex, around UofT, the financial district, Distillery District, and The Beach...maybe ride from the eastern beaches to the Humber River along Queen St. He'll be amazed by the bike culture and the number of cyclists wiling to take the risk by riding with cars, trucks, and streetcars on the same road. It was my favourite ride, as well as Bloor from Kipling to Main Street, and further.

    He ridicules me for riding in the Collingwood area...his earlier posts stated that he looked forward to riding around here, arguably the best road and MTB area in Ontario. He thinks it funny that we consider cycling the new golf up here but the golf courses are going bankrupt and the bike clubs are thriving.

    After several high profile incidents involving cars and bikes (Leah was the courier that picked up at my office, great kid), the situation became politically polarized, it truly became a war on bikes and cars, problem was that the cars always won, Ford just made it acceptable to hate bikes.

    Again, good luck with your endeavors, I trust that eventually sanity will win out, but it's people with Oggie's attitude that need to be enlightened.
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    Speaking of new cycling routes: A 600-km cycling route along country roads would develop the Greenbelt surrounding Toronto.


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