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    a couple small berms put in

    should make a few speed sections in palgrave alot more fun...



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    Thank you! I was just debating Albion vs Palgrave for my ride today!

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    some fun things are planned for palgrave... lots of flow and pumping in certain sections.
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    That first pic looks like a straight away ...... perspective ?
    You also may want to pack some dirt back into the exposed
    roots from where you removed the dirt to keep the tree huggers
    happy .
    We get enough grief as it is

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    Found your handywork today.. wish I had been going in the other direction to take advantage of em! Going uphill=not so fun!

    Well done! Was that you with the chainsaw at the other end of the singletrack? If so, great work there too.. Thinning out some of the trees makes that section much more rideable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ccaddy View Post
    That first pic looks like a straight away ...... perspective ?
    You also may want to pack some dirt back into the exposed
    roots from where you removed the dirt to keep the tree huggers
    happy .
    We get enough grief as it is

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    which tree huggers are you speaking off? that will be overgrown by next summer,you won't even know it's there. not an issue...
    a bigger berm is out of the picture, the little berms help keep your speed... a berm does not have to be a huge crater, that's a common trail building mistake and misconception people have. those little positioning berms are vey useful in keeping the flow of the trail, throw in a couple grade reversals and you got a neat pump section.

    we got to get out 90's mindset of building mtb trails in ontario...
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    Quote Originally Posted by ccaddy View Post
    That first pic looks like a straight away ...... perspective ?
    You also may want to pack some dirt back into the exposed
    roots from where you removed the dirt to keep the tree huggers
    happy .
    We get enough grief as it is

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    Do you see how tall that tree is? Ever tried to dig up a tree that tall!? That is right, the root system will be impressive. To worry so - You must ride out in the land 1hr away where studded bicycle tires can turn a forest into sawdust!

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    from this view the tree looks like its almost dead anyways.
    looks like most of the bark is gone or rotting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fyrblade View Post
    Found your handywork today.. wish I had been going in the other direction to take advantage of em! Going uphill=not so fun!

    Well done! Was that you with the chainsaw at the other end of the singletrack? If so, great work there too.. Thinning out some of the trees makes that section much more rideable.

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    nope, didn't chainsaw but slowjoe had the hd weed whacker going during the build.
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    Beautiful! Less poison ivy is a beautiful thing! Now if I could only avoid the pedal catchers!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fyrblade View Post
    Beautiful! Less poison ivy is a beautiful thing! Now if I could only avoid the pedal catchers!
    have to cut those out
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    Quote Originally Posted by trailtrash View Post
    from this view the tree looks like its almost dead anyways.
    looks like most of the bark is gone or rotting.
    ...So when you're old, we'll chop you down?
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    Love the work that has been done over the last while - Palgrave has somewhat become my place to ride - so thanks to all that are doing the work.

    Will additional trails be added in future work?

    As a question, is the area west in the Palgrave forest open for trails? (the section west of Duffys between Duffys and Humber Station) There is the main (a wide single trail that goes straight across to Humber Station)I didn't notice any branch trails
    Just asking not knowing how these things work.

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    Quote Originally Posted by db9 View Post
    Love the work that has been done over the last while - Palgrave has somewhat become my place to ride - so thanks to all that are doing the work.

    Will additional trails be added in future work?

    As a question, is the area west in the Palgrave forest open for trails? (the section west of Duffys between Duffys and Humber Station) There is the main (a wide single trail that goes straight across to Humber Station)I didn't notice any branch trails
    Just asking not knowing how these things work.

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    yes and no, there's a lot of private land back there. the bruce trails does run all the way up to glen haffy from palgrave. bikes are not permited, though i hardly ever see a hiker on it

    more work is planed fixing up some of the trails though minor reroutes, rebuilds etc. (caledon cycling is in charge with the trca being the land manager) new trails are kinda up in the air for now. though the area can be made quite fun through well thought out builds on the the existing trails.
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    Rode Palgrave yesterday. Nice work on the new berms, and fixing the left hander one (biggest one I believe) that was almost gone by now.

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    Someone went crazy in there with a chainsaw. (trca?) Saw hundreds of tree's cut down. I guess they were dead or diseased.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dgage View Post
    Someone went crazy in there with a chainsaw. (trca?) Saw hundreds of tree's cut down. I guess they were dead or diseased.
    probally the pines. hope it's not some bug, but just clearing it out for the mixed forest plantings/undergrowth.
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    I rode Palgrave on Sunday and really enjoyed the work that was done. If your planning any more work, I would like to pitch in. is there somebody I should contact.

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    Quote Originally Posted by trufflepig View Post
    I rode Palgrave on Sunday and really enjoyed the work that was done. If your planning any more work, I would like to pitch in. is there somebody I should contact.
    Contact the Caledon Cycling Club. Caledon Cycling Club

    They will put you in contact with a trail leader. Thank you for supporting the trails

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    Quote Originally Posted by cyclelicious View Post
    Contact the Caledon Cycling Club. Caledon Cycling Club

    They will put you in contact with a trail leader. Thank you for supporting the trails
    Thanks for the info. I checked their site and it looks like they're done for the season.Theres always next year (spoken like a leafs fan)

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    Does anyone Know what the tool is that is used for building trails. I've pictures and they have always been yellow, kind of like a hoe that's 2 sided. also where do you get them?

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    Quote Originally Posted by trufflepig View Post
    Does anyone Know what the tool is that is used for building trails. I've pictures and they have always been yellow, kind of like a hoe that's 2 sided. also where do you get them?
    McLeod (tool) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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    Quote Originally Posted by trufflepig View Post
    Does anyone Know what the tool is that is used for building trails. I've pictures and they have always been yellow, kind of like a hoe that's 2 sided. also where do you get them?
    I think you're talking about a McLeod. They're firefighting tools that are pretty hard to soource in Ontario. IMBA Ontario was talking about doing a group buy at one point. Shorthills Mountain bike Club has a hookup too.

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    Thanks electrik Now I just gotta find who sells them

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    Didn't mean to exclude you Nerdgirl. You came in after I posted. Maybe I'll drop in at the fire hall and see if they can help Thanks again

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    Quote Originally Posted by electrik View Post
    Aside from all the normal tools you use to build trail (shovels, loppers, saws...), there are two really handy specialized tools: the McLeod (see electrik's link) and the Pulaski, a doube-ended axe you use for benching.

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    Quote Originally Posted by trufflepig View Post
    Does anyone Know what the tool is that is used for building trails. I've pictures and they have always been yellow, kind of like a hoe that's 2 sided. also where do you get them?
    home hardware you can get both, might have to order in a pulaski. i prefer a pulaski and a contractor grade shovel/hd rake. though you can get by with a cheap axe to bust up the ground/root layer. never liked the build of the mcleod rake that they sell.

    though i did order in this

    Rogue Hoes- Firefighters Tools

    to test out, has good reviews.

    keep in mind some trail tools work better in some areas then others as well as there are lots of special tools (powered and non powered). those tools i've talked about are the basics (and work very well), the only other thing i would recommend if you get really into it is a big buck saw, small sledge and a wheelbarrow. helps pack down the trail better than a tamper.
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    The Pulaskis we bought were from Lee Valley Tools. They're beautiful tools and come with a lifetime guarantee.

    A couple guys in our club have Rogue Hoes and they're are really nice to work with for cutting the first line. I think you'll like it a lot.
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    Quote Originally Posted by garage monster View Post
    The Pulaskis we bought were from Lee Valley Tools. They're beautiful tools and come with a lifetime guarantee.
    A couple guys in our club have Rogue Hoes and they're are really nice to work with for cutting the first line. I think you'll like it a lot.
    lee valley tools are way overpriced, you almost pay double... it's for hobby people...

    here a link

    Home Hardware - AXE, PULASKI FBG 3.75LB 36"
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    Quote Originally Posted by singlesprocket View Post
    lee valley tools are way overpriced, you almost pay double... it's for hobby people...

    here a link

    Home Hardware - AXE, PULASKI FBG 3.75LB 36"
    Well, I guess we can agree to disagree. The forged head on the Lee Valley Pulaski holds a great edge (after an entire summer of abuse, I still haven't needed to sharpen either blade) and I'll take the ash handle over fiber glass any day.
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    Quote Originally Posted by garage monster View Post
    Well, I guess we can agree to disagree. The forged head on the Lee Valley Pulaski holds a great edge (after an entire summer of abuse, I still haven't needed to sharpen either blade) and I'll take the ash handle over fiber glass any day.
    i've never broken a fiberglass handle, wood always seem to break. cost me $36 at the time, good value. haven't broken off the head yet nor is it loose. the one i had from lee valley only lasted a half a season before the head started to wooble... had to pound wedges into it. i don't worry much about the edge, after chopping into the ground with gravel, rocks, etc you tend to loose it fairly quick. i just hit it with my axe file and give it a hard wood edge after a few days.
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    Jay Hoots has had some custom McLeods made that are amazing. Called the THUNDERSTICK. Best trail building tool I've ever used.

    It's beffier than anything I've seen available commercially and it uses a really good handle. The handle bolts into the shank not into the end of the handle.


    Tool on the right hand side standing up.


    Mean tool for bench cutting.

    Hoots seems to get a couple batches made each season, drop him a line and ask for one if you are interested.

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    We ordered these yellow ones through Wade from Short Hills. They look quite different from Hoots' design (the blade is riveted to the collar) but they still get the job done!

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    Quote Originally Posted by shirk View Post
    Jay Hoots has had some custom McLeods made that are amazing. Called the THUNDERSTICK. Best trail building tool I've ever used.

    It's beffier than anything I've seen available commercially and it uses a really good handle. The handle bolts into the shank not into the end of the handle.
    .
    wouldn't work well in the hard clay on the humber, the head cutting edge is to wide. works against you when you try to swing it in to bust a divot. also that wide hoe edge will get loaded up with wet clay. it would get so heavy you would have a hard time swinging it. what works in one area might not work in another. that's also why the knowledge of local builders is so important.
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    And it would work like a charm in the dry dusty soil of Mansfield or other similar re-forested zones. As a previous LOCAL builder there I recommend it.

    garage monster, these are a big flat plate of thick steel and are really heavy. One side is sharpened the other has teeth. Great for taping down soil, well unless is't the most very unique local soil to the Humber watershed then you can only use the specific locally approved tools

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    Quote Originally Posted by shirk View Post
    Jay Hoots has had some custom McLeods made that are amazing. Called the THUNDERSTICK. Best trail building tool I've ever used.
    If you get a boomstick you can make other people build trails for you!

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    Quote Originally Posted by shirk View Post
    And it would work like a charm in the dry dusty soil of Mansfield or other similar re-forested zones. As a previous LOCAL builder there I recommend it.

    garage monster, these are a big flat plate of thick steel and are really heavy. One side is sharpened the other has teeth. Great for taping down soil, well unless is't the most very unique local soil to the Humber watershed then you can only use the specific locally approved tools
    now now don't get your knickers in a knot when someone points out that your recommendation based on generalities is not the best solution for everyone here in eastern canada.

    i've also found the mcLeod lacking when trying to bust through bramble/root layer/vines etc
    that are common in duff and other organic/sandy areas. you can actually see the blade bounce back. takes way to much energy to bust through.
    you look at volunteers trashing away with mcleods trying to bench a section. they are good for about an hour before they get really tired. everyone reaches for the mcleod because it is what imba tells eveyone to do... it is not always the best tool for the job but it is the easiest tool to sell... just saying
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    Quote Originally Posted by singlesprocket View Post
    i've also found the mcLeod lacking when trying to bust through bramble/root layer/vines etc
    that are common in duff and other organic/sandy areas. you can actually see the blade bounce back. takes way to much energy to bust through.
    you look at volunteers trashing away with mcleods trying to bench a section. they are good for about an hour before they get really tired. everyone reaches for the mcleod because it is what imba tells eveyone to do... it is not always the best tool for the job but it is the easiest tool to sell... just saying
    That's where the Rogue Hoe will work perfectly. It slices through that sort of stuff like a hot knife through butter and it's light enough that the fire-line leader can go on for hours!
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    Quote Originally Posted by garage monster View Post
    That's where the Rogue Hoe will work perfectly.


    Do you apply the pimp to your rogue hoe? Poison Ivy Management Protocol that is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by singlesprocket View Post
    now now don't get your knickers in a knot when someone points out that your recommendation based on generalities is not the best solution for everyone here in eastern canada.

    i've also found the mcLeod lacking when trying to bust through bramble/root layer/vines etc
    that are common in duff and other organic/sandy areas. you can actually see the blade bounce back. takes way to much energy to bust through.
    you look at volunteers trashing away with mcleods trying to bench a section. they are good for about an hour before they get really tired. everyone reaches for the mcleod because it is what imba tells eveyone to do... it is not always the best tool for the job but it is the easiest tool to sell... just saying
    This is where Hoots version of the Mcleod kicks butt. It's heavy plate steel and that leading edge has been ground sharp.

    Also it's good to take your shovel and run the grinder down one edge and sharpen it. You'll be cutting through roots like hot knife in butter.Best damn brush clearing tool ever. Easier to swing than a scythe on thick under growth.

    ps my recommendation wasn't that a McLeod is the be all and end all of trail building tools. My recommendation was that if you are going to be using a McLeod you might as well use one that was very well designed specifically for trail work. Obviously you'll need all the different tools to get the job done.

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