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    Of Bumps and Spit.

    Full disclosure: I have not ridden the Leslie St. spit since the 1990s.

    The infrastructure:

    Toronto News: The Fixer: Speed humps an unwelcome bump for high-speed cyclists - thestar.com

    The review:

    Speed bumps installed at Toronto's Tommy Thompson Park (Includes first-hand account)

    The counterpoint:

    Ruining a good thing - thestar.com

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    Quote Originally Posted by Toronto Port Authority employee
    they were put in for one reason only: To slow down spandex-clad, commando cyclists who ride too fast in groups and menace pedestrians
    Quote Originally Posted by digitaljournal.com
    May the future bring us more speed bumps on all Toronto trails.
    ghettocruiser's thoughts:

    1. WTF is a commando cyclist? As opposed to the guys who wear boxer-briefs under their bike shorts? Does that make them more or less of a menace?

    2. There are two types of cyclists in Toronto. One of these types cannot hop over a speed bump.
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    Albio****s r gonna be pissed when they find out. Of course maybe they'll just go around! Though they are roadies so.. ick mud, yuk. pbbbttt. The TRCA's plan might work, until one of the roadies eats **** on the bump and sues them. I know speed bumps on the road are a miserable failure... will this just result in interval training until they learn how to hop?

    I am wondering how many accidents were there before the speed bumps were installed or did the TRCA just decide as one article states, the cyclists were being "unparkly" ... Lastly how many snakes were killed? Was the population impacted...? Tour de mup racers are annoying.

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    I remember that there were bumps there last year. I guess there are more of them now. The bumps I remember were pretty easy to jump over with the MTB. The last time I was there, I was riding with my wife and I was trying to teach her how to jump over them. I would not want to be constantly jumping over bumps with my road bike though. I ride quite a bit of road in the spring and fall when the trails are done. I have a beef with roadies in a group. Up around Milton, they can take up the entire road when there is only one lane. I had two incidents there with this type of behaviour. In one case a group was hogging the entire road going in the opposite direction forcing traffic onto the other side of the road where I was riding. As I passed them, I could see several cars with drivers that were totally pissed off. In the other incident, I was caught by a group that was inconsiderate when passing and again took up all the road. Even 3 or 4 people going 25-35 k would be inappropriate during the summer weekends. In the two times I rode through there, there were people walking, cycling, lots of kids, dogs, etc. It would be like expecting to be on one of the paved trails in the city and going at these speeds. If you have a road bike and want to go fast, be on the road away from people. Too many people think they are on a grand tour every time they go for a road ride. It's stupid. I have also encountered polite groups that are considerate when passing. I've had a leader come by and let me know that there were six riders to come. They all passed me on the Lakeshore single file with no problem. I have even hitched ride at the back with a couple of groups. More consideration and common sense would go a long way. In the rebuttal in the Star, they suggest there should be another solution, but none is suggested. Short of having a dedicated fast lane, what can be done? You can't have fast cyclists in a congested area period.

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    Quote Originally Posted by secret agent View Post
    I would not want to be constantly jumping over bumps with my road bike though.
    Meh, makes good practice for 'cross season. Not so good in a larger, tightly-bunched group though.

    Quote Originally Posted by secret agent View Post
    Too many people think they are on a grand tour every time they go for a road ride. It's stupid. I have also encountered polite groups that are considerate when passing. I've had a leader come by and let me know that there were six riders to come. They all passed me on the Lakeshore single file with no problem. I have even hitched ride at the back with a couple of groups. More consideration and common sense would go a long way.
    Sad to say that my experiences parallel your comments above i.e. I've been on many group rides that share the road responsibly, using an entire lane at appropriate times but changing formation when needed also. However, I've also been on rides and encountered them as a driver that seem to display too much self-entitlement IMHO. The statement "common sense is not so common" seems to apply.

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    Quote Originally Posted by secret agent View Post
    I remember that there were bumps there last year. I guess there are more of them now. The bumps I remember were pretty easy to jump over with the MTB. The last time I was there, I was riding with my wife and I was trying to teach her how to jump over them. I would not want to be constantly jumping over bumps with my road bike though. I ride quite a bit of road in the spring and fall when the trails are done. I have a beef with roadies in a group. Up around Milton, they can take up the entire road when there is only one lane. I had two incidents there with this type of behaviour. In one case a group was hogging the entire road going in the opposite direction forcing traffic onto the other side of the road where I was riding. As I passed them, I could see several cars with drivers that were totally pissed off. In the other incident, I was caught by a group that was inconsiderate when passing and again took up all the road. Even 3 or 4 people going 25-35 k would be inappropriate during the summer weekends. In the two times I rode through there, there were people walking, cycling, lots of kids, dogs, etc. It would be like expecting to be on one of the paved trails in the city and going at these speeds. If you have a road bike and want to go fast, be on the road away from people. Too many people think they are on a grand tour every time they go for a road ride. It's stupid. I have also encountered polite groups that are considerate when passing. I've had a leader come by and let me know that there were six riders to come. They all passed me on the Lakeshore single file with no problem. I have even hitched ride at the back with a couple of groups. More consideration and common sense would go a long way. In the rebuttal in the Star, they suggest there should be another solution, but none is suggested. Short of having a dedicated fast lane, what can be done? You can't have fast cyclists in a congested area period.
    Ahh, omg! Your story gets better every time. Do we have to get into your obsession with roadies again after that incident. Lots of people here digested and gave you reasons why a peleton travels like that on twisty roads. Single file is great, but you can't share a country lane with a cyclist and with an oncoming dump truck. Guess who is going to lose.

    God save us and please act safely out on the road no matter how annoying people are to you. Thank you.

    Back to the topic at hand.

    I also think roadies putting in zone3 training runs at 3pm on Saturday down on the martin goodman need to **** off and take the GO out to milton where you can honk at them and aggressively pass... just like all the other motorheads. Come to think of it, maybe i just figured out why those guys stick to the martin goodman trail. Maybe you have a hand in causing your problem after all..

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    Wow..*for everything about riding bikes in Toronto you hate Electrik. May I suggest you move to say Milton yourself? Though knowing your type you will rail just as much about stuff there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Enduramil View Post
    Wow..*for everything about riding bikes in Toronto you hate Electrik. May I suggest you move to say Milton yourself? Though knowing your type you will rail just as much about stuff there.
    I don't see you talking about riding fast on crowded "sidewalks" and riding like a gutter monkey while out in the country. Am I to assume you condone those practices?

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    Quote Originally Posted by electrik View Post
    I don't see you talking about riding fast on crowded "sidewalks" and riding like a gutter monkey while out in the country. Am I to assume you condone those practices?
    More like I have better things to do then be like a self righteous Stalin like troll about all things cycling.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Enduramil View Post
    More like I have better things to do then be like a self righteous Stalin like troll about all things cycling.
    Stalin did not troll he simply disposed of people.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Enduramil View Post
    More like I have better things to do then be like a self righteous Stalin like troll about all things cycling.
    you sure are fast at labeling people trolls who's views you don't like.

    perhaps a thoughtful counter point with examples might be more productive and better for the forum.
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    The star changed their mind again.

    Toronto News: The Fixer: Speed humps on Leslie St. spit are only an inconvenience - thestar.com

    Still unexplained is why cyclists *going commando* are the greater menace.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ghettocruiser View Post
    The star changed their mind again.

    Toronto News: The Fixer: Speed humps on Leslie St. spit are only an inconvenience - thestar.com

    Still unexplained is why cyclists *going commando* are the greater menace.
    First question would be the writers choice of words.. Commando. Wonder if the writer actually understands the meaning of that word. And not whether you wear grape smugglers or nothing under neath one's shorts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by electrik View Post

    I think I have your problem figured out, you've been riding the wrong brand... get one of these instead:

    Interesting. Especially when if one looks at a certain seatpost thread some where else it would appear to be the opposite of what you suggest.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Enduramil View Post
    Interesting. Especially when if one looks at a certain seatpost thread some where else it would appear to be the opposite of what you suggest.
    Yeah, in the AM forum i was against those people telling people they need dropper posts. Did you want to talk about dropper posts??

    Why don't you comment some more about these speed bumps and rude roadies.

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    The spit is a wildlife refuge and bird sanctuary, first and foremost. Cyclists and people are invited to tiptoe through it on weekends, but not turn it into a general-purpose park.

    Isn't it a landfill, first and foremost?

    We came across hikers wandering four or five abreast, with no clue that a bike was approaching from behind. They would clearly resent being buzzed by a fast-moving cyclist.

    Have people in Toronto become so lazy and urbanized that walking on a paved road can be called hiking?

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    Quote Originally Posted by nickboers View Post
    The spit is a wildlife refuge and bird sanctuary, first and foremost. Cyclists and people are invited to tiptoe through it on weekends, but not turn it into a general-purpose park.

    Isn't it a landfill, first and foremost?

    We came across hikers wandering four or five abreast, with no clue that a bike was approaching from behind. They would clearly resent being buzzed by a fast-moving cyclist.

    Have people in Toronto become so lazy and urbanized that walking on a paved road can be called hiking?
    i lived in that area for quite a few years and rode out to the spit lighthouse often. it's actually a pretty fun winter ride when the shore ice builds up. you just have to watch out for the rebar sticking out of the fill. they naturalized a few lagoons out there, did it very well might i add. yeah the place gets packed on the weekend and for some people it's an adventure. i think thats great. that they put in a couple of speed bumps... big deal
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    We rode the spit in January, The area was deserted, with the exception of singlesprocket and myself and just a million water birds in the lake.

    There are a series of speed bumps at the entrance road which were no problem to mtn bikes. The road surface (even in winter) is not smooth and it's riddled with potholes. The road is wide enough for 2 trucks to pass each other so visibility is not a problem. Its really not the best road in the area for roadie sprint races. Even Commisioners Rd is better and a lot less chudder. I'm sure the roadies will adjust to a new area to ride that won;t cramp their style.

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    Quote Originally Posted by singlesprocket View Post
    it's actually a pretty fun winter ride when the shore ice builds up.
    That reminds me of a decade back riding there in the winter with a friend of mine. Much of the outer harbour was frozen over and passable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nickboers View Post
    That reminds me of a decade back riding there in the winter with a friend of mine. Much of the outer harbour was frozen over and passable.
    There were couple years that I can remember where there were huge chunks of ice down there all smashed up and clumped together. You could get shockingly far out over the water just climbing around.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Toronto Star
    We came across hikers wandering four or five abreast, with no clue that a bike was approaching from behind. They would clearly resent being buzzed by a fast-moving cyclist.
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    I have a beef with roadies in a group. Up around Milton, they can take up the entire road when there is only one lane.

    Interesting how one of these things is acceptable, and one is not.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TRCA in the Star
    The spit is a wildlife refuge and bird sanctuary, first and foremost. Tri-axle dump trucks are allowed to dump 24-ton loads of broken concrete there on weekdays, but not turn it into a general-purpose landfill.
    Fixed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ghettocruiser View Post
    Fixed.
    Aha, yes and the local dump is a black bear sanctuary...

    BEARS!!!!

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    Quote:
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    We came across hikers wandering four or five abreast, with no clue that a bike was approaching from behind. They would clearly resent being buzzed by a fast-moving cyclist.
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    I have a beef with roadies in a group. Up around Milton, they can take up the entire road when there is only one lane.

    Interesting how one of these things is acceptable, and one is not.

    While groups of people walking abreast are annoying and can take up an entire trail, they are not likely to surprise anyone at great speed. No one is going to be greatly inconvenienced, they are not tying up traffic, or causing traffic around them. Most importantly, they are not going to hurt anyone. I am not trying to get down on cyclists of any sort, and I know the frustrations. There is no specific place for bikes and we are forced to share the road with cars, and pathways with pedestrians. In the trails, we often encounter hikers, horses, dogs, atv's and the like. We do not appreciate it when cars do not pay close attention to their actions and that they don't understand the injury that they can cause a cyclist by one false move. We are in the same position on a bike as regards pedestrians and hikers. We can seriously injure ourselves and others in a collision with them. In either case, it seems that the onus is always on us. I think you have to adjust to the riding conditions. If traffic is really heavy the day you decide to ride peloton style, then you may want to reconsider and try some other training practice. If the Martin Goodman trail is too busy, I take the road or slow down. No sense in trying to force the issue. You can't control the conditions and situations, but you can control your behaviour and accordingly. Just remember that you are lucky to be bombing around on a bike in the first place.

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    Quote Originally Posted by secret agent View Post
    While groups of people walking abreast are annoying and can take up an entire trail, they are not likely to surprise anyone at great speed. No one is going to be greatly inconvenienced, they are not tying up traffic, or causing traffic around them. Most importantly, they are not going to hurt anyone
    I think the point is that pedestrians walking four abreast are equally inconsiderate as cyclists riding four abreast. They do indeed tie up traffic (cyclist traffic). Even on the extremely wide MUP by Hamilton Harbour, pedestrians manage to walk 6-10 abreast, take the whole path, then be surprised (or completely ignore me) when I ring my bell.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nerdgirl View Post
    I think the point is that pedestrians walking four abreast are equally inconsiderate as cyclists riding four abreast. They do indeed tie up traffic (cyclist traffic). Even on the extremely wide MUP by Hamilton Harbour, pedestrians manage to walk 6-10 abreast, take the whole path, then be surprised (or completely ignore me) when I ring my bell.
    As a reformed trail runner I fully understand the aggravation of 4 plus abreast strollers.
    Even more annoying is the walkers who insist that being fully plugged into their IPod. And that some how it's my fault tthat I finally had to push past them because they can't hear me call out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by secret agent View Post
    While groups of people walking abreast are annoying and can take up an entire trail, they are not likely to surprise anyone at great speed.
    I didn't really want to single you out, as your response to road riders was pretty moderate compared to what gets printed in the Toronto Sun and screamed out of car windows. Still though, consider some random observations:

    1. Groups of road cyclists rarely travel much less than 25kph. The maximum speed anyone is legally allowed to be driving on a country road in Ontario is 80kph. A closing speed of 55kph shouldn't be surprising anyone, given that these same roads may be blocked by roadwork, farm equipment, animals, and other obstacles with speeds near zero kph. Let's not confuse being surprised by a group of cyclists with being annoyed by a group of cyclists. And let's not confuse a driver going 30 over the limit as being qualified to lecture anyone about road safety.

    2. I've never, ever, had a motorist threaten me while riding in a group. Yet it's happened hundreds of times while riding by myself, even though motorists claim that groups of cyclists are what's "blocking the road". Funny, that.

    3. Three or four road cyclists side by side are approximately the same width as a backhoe loader, probably moving faster, and have just as many license plates. I see more loaders driving around North York than I see cyclists, yet loader operators I've talked to report (somewhat) less hassles from impatient drivers. Strangely, no one seems to want to mirror-slap a vehicle with 500-lb rear wheels.
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    Quote Originally Posted by secret agent View Post
    I am not trying to get down on cyclists of any sort, and I know the frustrations. There is no specific place for bikes and we are forced to share the road with cars, and pathways with pedestrians.
    Which, if I can attempt to tie back to the supposed point of my thread, is why I posted this:

    Quote Originally Posted by digitaljournal.com
    May the future bring us more speed bumps on all Toronto trails.
    We have a mayor and a bicycle lobby at opposite ends of the political spectrum who are both hammering us with this "bicycles are not safe on the road they need their own trails" speech... and then they're like, "whoa, slow down guys, people might want to walk four astride on that trail."

    Now, the Tommy Thompson trail is a dead end into the Lake and thus cannot possibly be called a transportation route. But as a general policy applied to trails across the city, this smells far worse.
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    Considering how well the pedestrians understand the twinning of the martin goodman trail in sections i doubt that twinning will work anywhere else in toronto.

    Bicycles are traffic.


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    I ride to and from work in Toronto on average 2 to 3 times a week, and use the Goodman trail to the west of downtown.

    My biggest pet peeve - far bigger than hikers 4 abreast - are the people who ride with Ipods. When I am coming up on someone, I always give them a "passing on the left", but the Ipod Riders have no idea I am there because of whatever they are listening to. And I can't tell they have their headphones on until I am abreast of them. I have had a couple of close calls with other riders making unexpected moves just as I am passing.

    Don't get me wrong - I like to listen to some Slayer when I am out by myself on a ride, but on a busy trail like the Goodman Trail, which is used by all manner of riders, roller bladers, pedestrians etc would it not make sense for everyone to have some sense of what is going on around them?
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    If that still doesn't work, it's time to break out the paintball gun.

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    Quote Originally Posted by electrik View Post
    I also think roadies putting in zone3 training
    Zone training.. a tool that's only real usefullness is to lighten your wallet while lining the wallets of those who sell heart rate monitors.

    Quote Originally Posted by electrik View Post
    to **** off and take the GO out to milton where you can honk at them and aggressively pass..:
    Yes.. because all who ride bikes have cars or have jobs that allow them the luxury to go ride where it will not offend you.

    By the way... with all that education that allows you to pontificate about what you deem is so evil for all us sheep... did they happen to teach you the difference between rides and runs?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Enduramil View Post
    Zone training.. a tool that's only real usefullness is to lighten your wallet while lining the wallets of those who sell heart rate monitors.



    Yes.. because all who ride bikes have cars or have jobs that allow them the luxury to go ride where it will not offend you.

    By the way... with all that education that allows you to pontificate about what you deem is so evil for all us sheep... did they happen to teach you the difference between rides and runs?
    Zone training has a place, did you want to talk about zone training now?

    You got enough money for race kit, bicycle and etc you got enough money to spend $20 a weekend to travel out into the country instead of dodging toddlers and dogs at 3pm on the martin goodman. Of course this is assuming you want to be responsible and not terrorize the pathway for kicks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Enduramil View Post
    Zone training.. a tool that's only real usefullness is to lighten your wallet while lining the wallets of those who sell heart rate monitors.
    HRM zone training is so 1998. During these uncertain economic times, we should all be training with a Quarq.

    Quote Originally Posted by electrik View Post
    spend $20 a weekend to travel out into the country instead of dodging toddlers and dogs at 3pm on the martin goodman.
    Or you could just "travel" to Lake Shore Boulevard. For free, presumably.
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    Quote Originally Posted by electrik View Post
    You got enough money for race kit, bicycle and etc you got enough money to spend $20 a weekend to travel out into the country instead of dodging toddlers and dogs at 3pm on the martin goodman. Of course this is assuming you want to be responsible and not terrorize the pathway for kicks.
    You are aware that the true racers are in the minority. There are more people who are not.

    But please let it not distract you from preaching how all are wrong unless they follow how you think all should ride and where. Oh.. joy the Liberal do it because it's for your own good because we say so mentality.

    Please continue with insularity at a medium pace.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Enduramil View Post
    You are aware that the true racers are in the minority. There are more people who are not.
    I am well aware of that fact, yet it won't stop some riders from being so srs.
    Quote Originally Posted by Enduramil View Post
    But please let it not distract you from preaching how all are wrong unless they follow how you think all should ride and where. Oh.. joy the Liberal do it because it's for your own good because we say so mentality.

    Please continue with insularity at a medium pace.
    Please explain who and how i'm excluding?

    Are you saying it is incorrect to consider speeding, weaving and buzzing people on the mup as wrong? This is what happens when you try todo any sort of training at these places. Regardless of if it is right to wear headphones and act like a meat pylon the cyclist also has a big responsibility to pass with care - just like the motorist must pass with care regardless of how much of a "moron" they think roadies are. You can already see here how some people will take it upon themselves to dispense road justice and whine if you delay them. I can only hope people who complain about that situation on the road also see the irony of speeding and getting angry at pedestrians in their way on the mup.

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    Quote Originally Posted by electrik View Post
    I am well aware of that fact, yet it won't stop some riders from being so srs.


    Please explain who and how i'm excluding?

    Are you saying it is incorrect to consider speeding, weaving and buzzing people on the mup as wrong? This is what happens when you try todo any sort of training at these places. Regardless of if it is right to wear headphones and act like a meat pylon the cyclist also has a big responsibility to pass with care - just like the motorist must pass with care regardless of how much of a "moron" they think roadies are. You can already see here how some people will take it upon themselves to dispense road justice and whine if you delay them. I can only hope people who complain about that situation on the road also see the irony of speeding and getting angry at pedestrians in their way on the mup.
    Not really arguing one way or the other here, but it should be noted that most Toronto MUPs have a marked, but rarely (ever?) enforced 20km/h speed limit for cyclists. That being said, there are probably an equal amount of people riding inconsiderately both above and below that speed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by electrik View Post
    Are you saying it is incorrect to consider speeding, weaving and buzzing people on the mup as wrong? This is what happens when you try todo any sort of training at these places. Regardless of if it is right to wear headphones and act like a meat pylon the cyclist also has a big responsibility to pass with care - just like the motorist must pass with care regardless of how much of a "moron" they think roadies are. You can already see here how some people will take it upon themselves to dispense road justice and whine if you delay them. I can only hope people who complain about that situation on the road also see the irony of speeding and getting angry at pedestrians in their way on the mup.
    Setting aside the speed limit issue for a second, It's my opinion that it is quite possible to ride at training or even full-out speed on an MUP and not buzz or weave around anyone. It might not be something you are likely to witness from the weekend warriors at harbourfront, since it requires (1) selection of a correct time of day or time of year (2) very large reductions in speed based on traffic and sightline issues, and (3) leaving the pavement on occasion.

    Your other observations are, in a word, correct.
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    I'd like to be the 1st to coin the term "Multi-tool" so that SS and Electrik can add to the Eastern Canada Unabashed Dictionary.

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    Quote Originally Posted by veteran_youth View Post
    I'd like to be the 1st to coin the term "Multi-tool" so that SS and Electrik can add to the Eastern Canada Unabashed Dictionary.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aerius View Post
    If that still doesn't work, it's time to break out the paintball gun.
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    We came across hikers wandering four or five abreast, with no clue that a bike was approaching from behind. They would clearly resent being buzzed by a fast-moving cyclist.

    We will no doubt be hammered by cycling’s chattering class for saying so, but in this case, the TRCA got it right.
    The only one who did was riding a contraption that had pedals above the front wheel of it.
    Just about everyone said they are intolerable. One reader said a toddler on a three-wheeler would be launched into orbit, never mind an adult moving at a reasonable speed. [...] We set a leisurely pace and slowed to a walk to cross over each, which are about 200 metres apart, and found them to be no trouble. Our rims were not bent and the fillings remained in our teeth.
    Toronto News: The Fixer: Speed humps on Leslie St. spit are only an inconvenience - thestar.com

    So, cyclists are to be resented, we ride "contraptions" (nice that the reporter wasn't willing to take the 15 seconds it would have taken to do a google search to look up the word "recumbent"), a reasonable pace on a bike is a leisurely or walking pace (implying anything more is unreasonable) and any cyclist who complains is a chattering idiot.
    Well, no journalistic bias there then.


    We had a similar issue here in Montreal with the Formula 1 racetrack (Circuit Gilles Villeneuve) on Isle Notre-Dame. This being Quebec, it's about the only smooth, uncracked, unpotholed piece of asphalt in the province. It's lousy with rollerbladers and slow, weave-all-over-the-place cyclists on weekends but on weekday afternoons it's a popular place to train as it's relatively car-free, smooth, wide, close to downtown and accessible by bike path.
    There have been "no high speed training allowed" signs up for years but they're ignored by everyone. Finally a few years ago, citing a rising number of accidents involving cyclists, a danger to other users and blaming the "high speed" cyclists the park installed chicanes and speed bumps at three locations on the track.
    There was a huge outcry in the cycling community, the Canadian Paralympic organization got involved because at least one of their wheelchair athletes uses the track for training, Velo Quebec and the FQSC got involved because they hadn't been consulted about the problem or the changes and it generated a lot of pro-cycling press.
    Eventually it came out that most of the accidents involving cyclists were cyclists hitting signs and other street furniture on the track (and their "solution" was to install more obstacles) and they had no statistics showing that any of the accidents involved "high speed" cyclists. There were also some reports of cyclists having nasty run-ins with management at the park.
    This year the chicanes and speed bumps were never installed.

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    I haven't ridden the "Circuit" in a few years (it was something to do when we weren't racing in the Basin Olympique) but I don't remember any speed bumps or chicanes. That would have totally sucked!
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    Speed bumps = ruined former great place to ride.

    Took my buddies out to see the new bumps and all I can say is "what a pain in the a$$".
    We spent most of our time wondering how to cut a channel through them.

    Were they built to slow down bikes - really?

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    After a ride I have a idea that would push the envelope and change the paradigm.

    The TRCA states that they want to slow cyclist's down. While at the same claiming this is some sort of important wildlife type preserve. Yet I find it funny how they have paved this path which anyone wo knows helps cause the very problem thy arewhing about. Anyone who has driven enough wll tell you that the minute you take gravel road and pave it the speeds increase. Just like what happens when you send a grader down a beat to crap dirt road.. smoother means people go faster.

    So the logical solution instead of using more bitumen to create speed bumps would have been to simply rip out the present path surface. Firstly causing riders to slow down and secondly by removing the present path surfacing brought it closer to the natural state that people are going on about.

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    Keyboard issues? Swollen fingers after an errant stroke using the sledgehammer on a customer's bike? Other?

    Quote Originally Posted by Enduramil View Post
    After a ride I have a idea that would push the envelope and cange the paradigm.

    The TRCA stqates that they want to slow cyclist's down. While at the samemeclaing thiis is some sort of important wildlife type preserve. Yet I fit funny how they have paved this path which anone wo knows helps cause the very problem thy arewhing about. Anyone who has driven enough wll tell you that the minnte you take gravel road and pave it the speeds increase. Just like what happens when you send a grader down a beat to crap dirt road.. smoother means people go faster.

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    Keyboard issues? Swollen fingers after an errant stroke using the sledgehammer on a customer's bike? Other?
    I was thinking a surfeit of festive eggnog.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Circlip View Post
    Keyboard issues? Swollen fingers after an errant stroke using the sledgehammer on a customer's bike? Other?
    More like trying to get a wireless keyboard put together by the colour blind guy in the middle kingdom.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nerdgirl View Post
    I was thinking a surfeit of festive eggnog.
    Nope.. currently Guinness loading for feats of strength.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Circlip View Post
    Keyboard issues? Swollen fingers after an errant stroke using the sledgehammer on a customer's bike? Other?
    I was reading that on my Blackberry. I had to give it an Etch-A-Sketch shake to make sure it wasn't malfunctioning...
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    An unimproved surface would indeed reduce the sustained speeds of all types of bicycles as well as removing some strollers and (most of) the inline skaters. If that is what they want.

    Of course, there is then the issue of the procession of dump trucks monday thru Friday. If you want to see what dump truck traffic does to a soft-surface road, check out the other active TRCA lakefill road between the Guild Inn and the Gully. The gravel surface has been mashed down out of sight into the mud, and the entire roadway is mucked from October to May. And I mean nasty, rocks-embedded-in-matrix mud that sticks to everything and jams the bike up.
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