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    building a pump track...

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    and it looks pretty good, 30'x50' of usable space. since i'm not a big fan of a manicured lawn due to environmental reasons and like riding a bike... it's time to join pump track nation (though i think i can squeeze in 2 dirt jumps also).

    the soil is perfect around here with just the right amount of clay, though this will make digging tough. a mini excavator will be used and special attention will be given to aesthetics, grading and environment. i've talked about this in the past how building a trail (or pump track) can be used to improve the environmental footprint of an area. now i will do it on a micro scale with focus on naturalization (native plant species/other features) and some urban agriculture thrown in (i like organic vegs).

    should be an interesting outside the box urban landscape project.
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    That would be my perfect back yard.

    Pump track winding through a garden, maybe a cherry and a peach tree in there.

    No grass to cut.

    Like it.

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    I remember that many of the arguments around dirt jumps and pump tracks in some Mississauga locations were due to the aesthetic limitations. Many complained that this sort of build is ugly and and never complements other natural areas. There were also arguments about a lot of dust blowing around. Along with concerns about kids leaving their trash behind and "hanging out" after hours and so on, killed a bunch of plans back in the day. I bet the neighbors are going to love this; though you seem to be in a bit of space there. It would be great to see a well made, aesthetically pleasing construction though.

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    This thread is relevant to my interests.

    I really like the idea of having a pump track/veggie garden. The only problem I see is that things like potatoes and squash really get around in a hurry.
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    neighbors shouldn't be an issue, got none to the back of me and the others will want to use the track. the lot is an older one so it has tons of space all around compared to new houses.
    i have some connections to cots forestry restoration dept to get advice on plants and general landscaping.


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    I remember that many of the arguments around dirt jumps and pump tracks in some Mississauga locations were due to the aesthetic limitations. Many complained that this sort of build is ugly and and never complements other natural areas. There were also arguments about a lot of dust blowing around. Along with concerns about kids leaving their trash behind and "hanging out" after hours and so on, killed a bunch of plans back in the day. I bet the neighbors are going to love this; though you seem to be in a bit of space there. It would be great to see a well made, aesthetically pleasing construction though.
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    I'm jealous. I would so like to do that too.
    Ain't gonna happen.
    Are you going to invite us all over for a test ride when you're finished?
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    Quote Originally Posted by dskunk View Post
    I'm jealous. I would so like to do that too.
    Ain't gonna happen.
    Are you going to invite us all over for a test ride when you're finished?
    probably have a humber torba event bbq at the same time. there's a few trails up here also.
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    If you can find a pump track that rides well take some very detailed measurements of the rollers.

    A friend built one in his back yard based off info online and the rollers didn't really ride well.

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    Looking forward to the results. You have a lot of bike and bike related projects on the go. I find it hard enough to keep the regular stuff on the go and get lots of riding in.

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    You may just want to see if your municipality has a Grading By-law, or a by-law which might prohibit or otherwise require approval for this sort of thing. Even if you don't seek approval, at least you'll know what you're up against in case the municipality does receive a complaint (which I would rate as a very high probability given this type of project) and enforces the by-law.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thewake View Post
    You may just want to see if your municipality has a Grading By-law, or a by-law which might prohibit or otherwise require approval for this sort of thing. Even if you don't seek approval, at least you'll know what you're up against in case the municipality does receive a complaint (which I would rate as a very high probability given this type of project) and enforces the by-law.
    ain't changing the grade, nor cutting trees, nor building a deck or shed... just a wee bit of landscaping and ornamental rocks... quite common in this area, you should see the complex gardens and sheds put into backyards
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    Quote Originally Posted by shirk View Post
    If you can find a pump track that rides well take some very detailed measurements of the rollers.

    A friend built one in his back yard based off info online and the rollers didn't really ride well.
    i got a full set of detailed plans and instructions from

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    plus my trail building etc. experience... shouldn't be a problem.
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    Quote Originally Posted by singlesprocket View Post
    i got a full set of detailed plans and instructions from

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    plus my trail building etc. experience... shouldn't be a problem.
    Yeah pretty sure he also had the Lee Like Bikes plans. Just saying.

    His track was a pretty basic loop, I think on a bigger track with more features you have more to work with to build momentum. On his small track it became very critical to get the rollers right as they were the only source.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shirk View Post
    Yeah pretty sure he also had the Lee Like Bikes plans. Just saying.

    His track was a pretty basic loop, I think on a bigger track with more features you have more to work with to build momentum. On his small track it became very critical to get the rollers right as they were the only source.
    I've seen videos of other peoples' backyard pump tracks and it's not as easy as it looks to get right. As soon as you see the rider pedaling (out of necessity), you know something ain't quite right.

    The pump tracks at Ray's and Joyride all had to be tweaked too. At least in the garden, it's just pushing a little dirt around.
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    Quote Originally Posted by garage monster View Post
    I've seen videos of other peoples' backyard pump tracks and it's not as easy as it looks to get right. As soon as you see the rider pedaling (out of necessity), you know something ain't quite right.

    The pump tracks at Ray's and Joyride all had to be tweaked too. At least in the garden, it's just pushing a little dirt around.
    people tend to make the radius of the berms to tight and space the mounds to close. they want to cram to much into a small space. i've seen this on trails i've been asked to tweak the flow. 9 times out of 10 it just has to be relaxed a little. most dirt jumpers/bmxers have figured this out long ago.

    you literally want to carry your momentum from berm to berm, where the rollers add speed by pumping. you can then add a cross over gap/table jump in the center to add some fun.
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    Cool project,
    I would like to see pictures both work in progress and finished!

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    got a little more planning done, talked to a professional trail builder who makes these things and works with hoots. we shall see if my design is valid.
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    lol and right on que i got a neg for this thread...

    building a pump track... 09-04-2012 05:36 PM Your elitism and insularity is showing.

    really i want to know what is insular/elitist about building a pump track?
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    got some more rocks delivered for the rock garden on the back of the berms and some pavers... that's where i'm going to plant perennial herbs Growing Culinary Herbs In Ontario and sedum...



    everything flagged, scoped and papered... excavator time shortly...

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    Looking good! I will be following this closely

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    Quote Originally Posted by singlesprocket View Post
    everything flagged, scoped and papered... excavator time shortly...

    How big a space would you say this is?
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    Glad to see you are still moving forward with the track.I thought you weren't going to make it before winter.

    Have you thought about making a heated pump track

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    Quote Originally Posted by garage monster View Post
    How big a space would you say this is?
    i'll be publishing an open source trail project pdf and a hard copy with all the info/dimensions/etc... some newer sustainability concepts for the urban landscape will be explored with this concept that might be worth documenting... anyway around 2500 square feet...
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    What sort of herbs? Just askin
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cornfield View Post
    Glad to see you are still moving forward with the track.I thought you weren't going to make it before winter.

    Have you thought about making a heated pump track
    i'll just spray it with water and hold a crash ice on bikes ...

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    ^^Gnarly!

    Maybe some studded tires?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cornfield View Post
    ^^Gnarly!

    Maybe some studded tires?
    got those this year if there is enough snow i'm going to try to build a winter dh trail. snow is alot more easier to move then dirt.
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    got a bit of work done today



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    Looking good!
    Interesting idea to build a winter DH trail. I hate snow but I hope where your part of Ontario gets lots so we can see it

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    Shaping the bowl

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    Quote Originally Posted by ptbo_mac View Post
    Looking good!
    Interesting idea to build a winter DH trail. I hate snow but I hope where your part of Ontario gets lots so we can see it

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    i hope we get enough snow this year. got the line cleared of impaling branches and stuff...
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    interesting how it is evolving... was a little bit unsure of the soil conditions, but once we got down it was all pure clay (which means it's going to harden up like concrete). the bowl shape turned out really well, now i'm thinking what would be the best bike to ride in it.... bmx? hmmmmm...
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    Oh how I love piles of dirt! Looking real good! Maybe a 24" or even a 26" cruiser? There are alot of cool bikes at cruiser revolution.

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    That's starting to look pretty promising.

    Did you have to truck in any dirt or is it all just excavated from that spot?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cornfield View Post
    Oh how I love piles of dirt! Looking real good! Maybe a 24" or even a 26" cruiser? There are alot of cool bikes at cruiser revolution.
    thanks cornfield

    i dig those 24" wheeled crusiers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by garage monster View Post
    That's starting to look pretty promising.

    Did you have to truck in any dirt or is it all just excavated from that spot?
    thanks garage monster. i've designed it so i use all the dirt from the excavation. everything was lazer leveled so all the slopes are consistent for optimial drainage.
    since all of this is a bit of a design experiment for myself, i must say i'm pleased with the results so far. though it does borrow from skate/bmx parks somewhat.

    project plan as it stands now:

    -continue shaping
    -test riding (cruiser purchse)
    -outside berm rock gardens
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    another cool backyard pump track

    <iframe src="http://player.vimeo.com/video/6139973?badge=0" width="500" height="281" frameborder="0" webkitAllowFullScreen mozallowfullscreen allowFullScreen></iframe> <p><a href="http://vimeo.com/6139973">Backyard 2</a> from <a href="http://vimeo.com/user780064">Jon Maglio</a> on <a href="http://vimeo.com">Vimeo</a>.</p>
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    Quote Originally Posted by singlesprocket View Post
    another cool backyard pump track
    There's a lot going on there in a very small space.

    I wonder if that big puddle is from hosing down the track - looks kinda yucky.
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    Love this thread! Can't wait to see how it turns out. Keep the photos coming!

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    Quote Originally Posted by VVagabond View Post
    Love this thread! Can't wait to see how it turns out. Keep the photos coming!
    I'm with Ms. Vagabond! I've eyed up the possibilities in our yard, but it's not to be. I'm particularly looking forward to seeing the landscaping!

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    I was a big part of a committee for Our local Skatepark ( Ex BMX'er, lost sponsorship due to knee injury ), My brother and myself were the voice of the Skate/BMX community and we basically had free choice of what to pick, just had to stay on budget. $280,000 later we have an AWESOME concrete park.. Although you won't see me on it ( tried to screw around on my XC but they don't perform the best in a half-pipe ). Let your imagination spill when it comes to designing your track!, I am definitely 'pumped' to see the outcome of your project!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nerdgirl View Post
    I'm with Ms. Vagabond! I've eyed up the possibilities in our yard, but it's not to be. I'm particularly looking forward to seeing the landscaping!
    We have been collecting rocks to incorporate in the design. Haven't decided yet on plants
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    Quote Originally Posted by cyclelicious View Post
    We have been collecting rocks to incorporate in the design. Haven't decided yet on plants
    Soft ones

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    didn't like the tampers at the hardware store so i welded up my own...

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    interesting vid

    <iframe src="http://player.vimeo.com/video/34002960?byline=0&amp;badge=0" width="500" height="281" frameborder="0" webkitAllowFullScreen mozallowfullscreen allowFullScreen></iframe> <p><a href="http://vimeo.com/34002960">How To ride Dirt Jumps when you Suck</a> from <a href="http://vimeo.com/plussizebmx">PlusSizeBMX</a> on <a href="http://vimeo.com">Vimeo</a>.</p>
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    Here's one that has some cool landscaping.Doesn't have the greatest flow,but it looks great!

    Backyard spotlight: John and Maggie’s pump track


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    Quote Originally Posted by shawnt2012 View Post
    Soft ones

    winter bushes
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cornfield View Post
    Oh how I love piles of dirt! Looking real good! Maybe a 24" or even a 26" cruiser? There are alot of cool bikes at cruiser revolution.
    We are going to test some 24'' cruisers this weekend
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    Quote Originally Posted by singlesprocket View Post
    winter bushes
    Just so were on the same page..lol.

    We used to jump in these as kids, then after seeing the jackass guys do it off of roof tops... must be soft.. Haha! We called them 'jello bush', shake them and they would wiggle like jello!
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    Rocky approves the bowl!

    building a pump track...-75de7253.jpg

    Checked out a 24'' Cruiser at Hogtown mmm!
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    It would be cool if Rocky chases you around on the track

    I haven't really kept up with the 24"s since I switched to MTB. I've been wanting to try a Sunday Model-C for a while Model C AM « Sunday Bikes not sure if it would be good for a pump track though,I think it's designed more for street and park.

    The DMR wrath looks nice New DMR Wrath could turn you into a pump track god | Bikes | Chop MTB but it looks like you would have to order from the U.K.

    The SE Floval Flyer would be a good bike for a pump track SE Bikes | Elite Race Series | 24" Floval Flyer

    I have a Freeagent Devil 24 Free Agent Devil 24 BMX 2009 - Free Delivery It's a fun all-around bike,but it weighs a ton.

    Good luck and happy shopping

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    that dmr looks sick cornfield.

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    ready to put in the weeping system for the jump bowls, modified french drain system.
    good resource here: EnerMac Weeping Tile

    am tempted to tie a rain water collection/storeage system from the roof so i don't have to use city water for wetting down the track and watering the garden around it.
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    That's the 26" version of the Wrath,low BB and short chain stays,looks like the geometry is different on the 24"?

    I have been staring at this while having my coffee...wondering where I can find an extra $600 lying around.SE Bikes | Retro Series | 26" OM Flyer Longer chain stays than the Wrath,and a bit more old school BMX style.I think I need to go test one of these!

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    Quote Originally Posted by singlesprocket View Post
    ready to put in the weeping system for the jump bowls, modified french drain system.
    good resource here: EnerMac Weeping Tile

    am tempted to tie a rain water collection/storeage system from the roof so i don't have to use city water for wetting down the track and watering the garden around it.
    Very cool. Curious to find out how well the drainage system works. Just an elevated rain barrel would be helpful for watering. I use one for my veggie garden set up with a drip irrigation system - just open the valve and forget it (less useful for wetting the track, mind you).

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    I wish I had the space, time and knowedge to do something like this in my backyard.

    Let me ask you something - how easy is it to "tweak" the pump track to add different rollers, jumps etc in order to switch things up? Is this something that once built, will pretty much stay how it is or can it continue to evolve over time with relatively little work?
    Strava made me do it....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nerdgirl View Post
    Just an elevated rain barrel would be helpful for watering. I use one for my veggie garden set up with a drip irrigation system - just open the valve and forget it (less useful for wetting the track, mind you).
    I use a second one to keep the pond topped-up. It doesn't generate a ton of water pressure.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Unglued View Post
    I wish I had the space, time and knowedge to do something like this in my backyard.

    Let me ask you something - how easy is it to "tweak" the pump track to add different rollers, jumps etc in order to switch things up? Is this something that once built, will pretty much stay how it is or can it continue to evolve over time with relatively little work?
    the only constant is the two big berms, the rest can be altered to best suit the space. (tweaking a track is a must no matter how well you plan/build). expansion has been factored in with several line options which can include wooden features throughout the space. i even thought of building a funky garden shed with the roof being part of the track, will do it eventually...
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    after working in the wet clay all weekend i want one of these....

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    Ha ha after a 10 hour day on a jumping jack you would never want to see another one.
    Trust me I had many days as a D-1 operator in my early days of commercial construction on one.
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    Ohhhhh the D-1 is a fun tool when you need it....

    But I think I'd rather use the less aggressive plate tamper option


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    ...or ask your friends to come by and ride the course to compress it...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cornfield View Post
    Here's one that has some cool landscaping.Doesn't have the greatest flow,but it looks great!

    Backyard spotlight: John and Maggie’s pump track

    nice like the landscaping...
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    More pictures please!

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    What do your neighbors think of this? I have always dreamed of having this in my yard, but I am not sure what the reactions of my neighbors would be haha.

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    I am on the verge of acquiring a dirt jumper/urban trials bike and getting back to my BMX roots. It will have platforms and I will ride baggies at all times while riding on it.

    So can I come test it out on your pump track sometime. Puh-leeeeaaassseee?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Unglued View Post
    I am on the verge of acquiring a dirt jumper/urban trials bike and getting back to my BMW roots. It will have platforms and I will ride baggies at all times while riding on it.
    "BMW roots" ???

    Me thinks this is a Freudian slip, and a good one at that.

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    I think a Nummers pimped out with red blingy bits and 24" wheels would work in the Sprocket's backyard.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Circlip View Post
    "BMW roots" ???

    Me thinks this is a Freudian slip, and a good one at that.
    Well, he does drive a BMW now...
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    Quote Originally Posted by garage monster View Post
    Well, he does drive a BMW now...
    Don't tell everyone that!!! Now SS is never gonna let me come over and play...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Canadmos View Post
    What do your neighbors think of this? I have always dreamed of having this in my yard, but I am not sure what the reactions of my neighbors would be haha.
    my neighbors are cool with it, they are mtbers
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    lucky you. can't pick your neighbours but it seems you did alright.
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    Any regrets to date? Planning on similar project

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    Quote Originally Posted by mdlfcrsis View Post
    Any regrets to date? Planning on similar project
    just that it takes a lot of time to complete, but that is part of the fun. i look forward to the spring when i can start planting and working the rock garden, etc...

    i guess you have to consider it a big landscaping project that is never just finished...
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    got my ht frame that i will build up as my do it all pump tracker...

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    Looking past the neg. rep you gave me, you have excellent taste in bikes, women and gardening ideas.
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    hot damn
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    Pump Track Nation!

    I picked this dirt jumper frame up at Cycle Solutions for $99

    I'm looking forward to building it up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cyclelicious View Post
    Pump Track Nation!

    I picked this dirt jumper frame up at Cycle Solutions for $99

    I'm looking forward to building it up.
    yeah that was a killer deal for a size small frame...
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    Wow! Great project. Would love to have that in my backyard. When's the grand opening party?

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    all depends how wet the spring is, but sometime around may/june...
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    Quote Originally Posted by cyclelicious View Post
    Pump Track Nation!

    I picked this dirt jumper frame up at Cycle Solutions for $99

    I'm looking forward to building it up.

    Nice find.

    Are the rocks in the background destined for the landscaping project?

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    i think i recall that norco from last year's bike show. if i didn't already have a frame, i would've picked it up.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ray.vermette View Post
    Nice find.

    Are the rocks in the background destined for the landscaping project?
    The DJ bike will work well I think

    The rocks will be part of the design
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    Quote Originally Posted by cyclelicious View Post
    The DJ bike will work well I think
    The short stays make a world of difference.

    I also really enjoy riding our BMX on pump tracks. It's a completely different experience too - almost too easy to get air.
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    hey that looks familiar (the oval)...



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    Quote Originally Posted by cyclelicious View Post
    Pump Track Nation!

    I picked this dirt jumper frame up at Cycle Solutions for $99

    I'm looking forward to building it up.

    I really like the contrast of the blue and orange cloud scheme
    Strava made me do it....

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    pumptrack in repose...

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    LOL!!, As soon as I seen there was a comment in this thread I knew you guys would have a photo up showing the ridiculous amount of snow!

    Time to bust out the gt snowracer and old yamaha 440 today
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    hah, booting around on a old snowmobile would be so much fun. a friend of mine races vintage snowmobiles. he buys them on the cheap, gets several, pieces one together from the parts and it is off to the races...

    Quote Originally Posted by shawnt2012 View Post
    LOL!!, As soon as I seen there was a comment in this thread I knew you guys would have a photo up showing the ridiculous amount of snow!

    Time to bust out the gt snowracer and old yamaha 440 today

    judy's bike build so far from the used parts bin... other then the fork.
    new chain guide on it's way...



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    got it home, let the build commence...

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    Quote Originally Posted by singlesprocket View Post
    hah, booting around on a old snowmobile would be so much fun.
    I got to boot around for the first time since high school on my sister's sled on Lake Nippissing over the holidays. So. Much. Fun. My niece didn't even seem so mind when she nearly fell off after a little "pressure crack" air.
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    i9s in the spare parts bin? nice.
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    Quote Originally Posted by saturnine View Post
    i9s in the spare parts bin? nice.

    yup, actually have two sets... one for the norco and the other one for the intense... retired wheelsets since we are going tubeless for dhing in 2013
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    let me know when it looks like this

    building a pump track...-859996_10151433402525789_13233255_o.jpg
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    wow, did you build that on your property? sweet, can i come over with a couple of friends?
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