building a pump track...

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  • 09-04-2012
    singlesprocket
    building a pump track...
    been taking some measurements...



    and it looks pretty good, 30'x50' of usable space. since i'm not a big fan of a manicured lawn due to environmental reasons and like riding a bike... it's time to join pump track nation (though i think i can squeeze in 2 dirt jumps also).

    the soil is perfect around here with just the right amount of clay, though this will make digging tough. a mini excavator will be used and special attention will be given to aesthetics, grading and environment. i've talked about this in the past how building a trail (or pump track) can be used to improve the environmental footprint of an area. now i will do it on a micro scale with focus on naturalization (native plant species/other features) and some urban agriculture thrown in (i like organic vegs).

    should be an interesting outside the box urban landscape project.
  • 09-04-2012
    CptSydor
    That would be my perfect back yard.

    Pump track winding through a garden, maybe a cherry and a peach tree in there.

    No grass to cut.

    Like it.
  • 09-04-2012
    secret agent
    I remember that many of the arguments around dirt jumps and pump tracks in some Mississauga locations were due to the aesthetic limitations. Many complained that this sort of build is ugly and and never complements other natural areas. There were also arguments about a lot of dust blowing around. Along with concerns about kids leaving their trash behind and "hanging out" after hours and so on, killed a bunch of plans back in the day. I bet the neighbors are going to love this; though you seem to be in a bit of space there. It would be great to see a well made, aesthetically pleasing construction though.
  • 09-04-2012
    garage monster
    This thread is relevant to my interests. :thumbsup:

    I really like the idea of having a pump track/veggie garden. The only problem I see is that things like potatoes and squash really get around in a hurry. :)
  • 09-04-2012
    singlesprocket
    neighbors shouldn't be an issue, got none to the back of me and the others will want to use the track. the lot is an older one so it has tons of space all around compared to new houses.
    i have some connections to cots forestry restoration dept to get advice on plants and general landscaping.


    Quote:

    Originally Posted by secret agent View Post
    I remember that many of the arguments around dirt jumps and pump tracks in some Mississauga locations were due to the aesthetic limitations. Many complained that this sort of build is ugly and and never complements other natural areas. There were also arguments about a lot of dust blowing around. Along with concerns about kids leaving their trash behind and "hanging out" after hours and so on, killed a bunch of plans back in the day. I bet the neighbors are going to love this; though you seem to be in a bit of space there. It would be great to see a well made, aesthetically pleasing construction though.

  • 09-04-2012
    dskunk
    I'm jealous. I would so like to do that too.
    Ain't gonna happen.
    Are you going to invite us all over for a test ride when you're finished?
  • 09-04-2012
    singlesprocket
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by dskunk View Post
    I'm jealous. I would so like to do that too.
    Ain't gonna happen.
    Are you going to invite us all over for a test ride when you're finished?

    probably have a humber torba event bbq at the same time. there's a few trails up here also.
  • 09-04-2012
    shirk
    If you can find a pump track that rides well take some very detailed measurements of the rollers.

    A friend built one in his back yard based off info online and the rollers didn't really ride well.
  • 09-04-2012
    secret agent
    Looking forward to the results. You have a lot of bike and bike related projects on the go. I find it hard enough to keep the regular stuff on the go and get lots of riding in.
  • 09-04-2012
    thewake
    You may just want to see if your municipality has a Grading By-law, or a by-law which might prohibit or otherwise require approval for this sort of thing. Even if you don't seek approval, at least you'll know what you're up against in case the municipality does receive a complaint (which I would rate as a very high probability given this type of project) and enforces the by-law.
  • 09-04-2012
    singlesprocket
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by thewake View Post
    You may just want to see if your municipality has a Grading By-law, or a by-law which might prohibit or otherwise require approval for this sort of thing. Even if you don't seek approval, at least you'll know what you're up against in case the municipality does receive a complaint (which I would rate as a very high probability given this type of project) and enforces the by-law.

    ain't changing the grade, nor cutting trees, nor building a deck or shed... just a wee bit of landscaping and ornamental rocks... ;) quite common in this area, you should see the complex gardens and sheds put into backyards :D
  • 09-04-2012
    singlesprocket
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by shirk View Post
    If you can find a pump track that rides well take some very detailed measurements of the rollers.

    A friend built one in his back yard based off info online and the rollers didn't really ride well.

    i got a full set of detailed plans and instructions from

    Lee Likes Bikes

    plus my trail building etc. experience... shouldn't be a problem.
  • 09-04-2012
    shirk
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by singlesprocket View Post
    i got a full set of detailed plans and instructions from

    Lee Likes Bikes

    plus my trail building etc. experience... shouldn't be a problem.

    Yeah pretty sure he also had the Lee Like Bikes plans. Just saying.

    His track was a pretty basic loop, I think on a bigger track with more features you have more to work with to build momentum. On his small track it became very critical to get the rollers right as they were the only source.
  • 09-04-2012
    garage monster
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by shirk View Post
    Yeah pretty sure he also had the Lee Like Bikes plans. Just saying.

    His track was a pretty basic loop, I think on a bigger track with more features you have more to work with to build momentum. On his small track it became very critical to get the rollers right as they were the only source.

    I've seen videos of other peoples' backyard pump tracks and it's not as easy as it looks to get right. As soon as you see the rider pedaling (out of necessity), you know something ain't quite right. :skep:

    The pump tracks at Ray's and Joyride all had to be tweaked too. At least in the garden, it's just pushing a little dirt around. :)
  • 09-04-2012
    singlesprocket
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by garage monster View Post
    I've seen videos of other peoples' backyard pump tracks and it's not as easy as it looks to get right. As soon as you see the rider pedaling (out of necessity), you know something ain't quite right. :skep:

    The pump tracks at Ray's and Joyride all had to be tweaked too. At least in the garden, it's just pushing a little dirt around. :)

    people tend to make the radius of the berms to tight and space the mounds to close. they want to cram to much into a small space. i've seen this on trails i've been asked to tweak the flow. 9 times out of 10 it just has to be relaxed a little. most dirt jumpers/bmxers have figured this out long ago.

    you literally want to carry your momentum from berm to berm, where the rollers add speed by pumping. you can then add a cross over gap/table jump in the center to add some fun.
  • 09-05-2012
    Near north
    Cool project,
    I would like to see pictures both work in progress and finished!
  • 09-07-2012
    singlesprocket
    got a little more planning done, talked to a professional trail builder who makes these things and works with hoots. we shall see if my design is valid.
  • 09-07-2012
    singlesprocket
    lol and right on que i got a neg for this thread... :D

    building a pump track... 09-04-2012 05:36 PM Your elitism and insularity is showing.

    really i want to know what is insular/elitist about building a pump track?
  • 10-24-2012
    singlesprocket
    got some more rocks delivered for the rock garden on the back of the berms and some pavers... that's where i'm going to plant perennial herbs Growing Culinary Herbs In Ontario and sedum...



    everything flagged, scoped and papered... excavator time shortly...

  • 10-24-2012
    ptbo_mac
    Looking good! I will be following this closely
  • 10-24-2012
    garage monster
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by singlesprocket View Post
    everything flagged, scoped and papered... excavator time shortly...


    How big a space would you say this is?
  • 10-24-2012
    Cornfield
    Glad to see you are still moving forward with the track.I thought you weren't going to make it before winter.

    Have you thought about making a heated pump track :D
  • 10-24-2012
    singlesprocket
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by garage monster View Post
    How big a space would you say this is?

    i'll be publishing an open source trail project pdf and a hard copy with all the info/dimensions/etc... some newer sustainability concepts for the urban landscape will be explored with this concept that might be worth documenting... anyway around 2500 square feet...
  • 10-24-2012
    dskunk
    What sort of herbs? Just askin
  • 10-24-2012
    singlesprocket
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Cornfield View Post
    Glad to see you are still moving forward with the track.I thought you weren't going to make it before winter.

    Have you thought about making a heated pump track :D

    i'll just spray it with water and hold a crash ice on bikes :D...

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  • 10-24-2012
    Cornfield
    ^^Gnarly!

    Maybe some studded tires? :cool:
  • 10-25-2012
    singlesprocket
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Cornfield View Post
    ^^Gnarly!

    Maybe some studded tires? :cool:

    got those :thumbsup: this year if there is enough snow i'm going to try to build a winter dh trail. snow is alot more easier to move then dirt.
  • 11-10-2012
    singlesprocket
    got a bit of work done today



  • 11-11-2012
    ptbo_mac
    Looking good!
    Interesting idea to build a winter DH trail. I hate snow but I hope where your part of Ontario gets lots so we can see it

    Mac
  • 11-11-2012
    saturnine
    sweet
  • 11-12-2012
    cyclelicious
    Shaping the bowl

  • 11-12-2012
    singlesprocket
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by ptbo_mac View Post
    Looking good!
    Interesting idea to build a winter DH trail. I hate snow but I hope where your part of Ontario gets lots so we can see it

    Mac

    i hope we get enough snow this year. got the line cleared of impaling branches and stuff...
  • 11-12-2012
    singlesprocket
    interesting how it is evolving... was a little bit unsure of the soil conditions, but once we got down it was all pure clay (which means it's going to harden up like concrete). the bowl shape turned out really well, now i'm thinking what would be the best bike to ride in it.... bmx? hmmmmm...
  • 11-12-2012
    Cornfield
    Oh how I love piles of dirt! :yesnod: Looking real good! Maybe a 24" or even a 26" cruiser? There are alot of cool bikes at cruiser revolution.
  • 11-12-2012
    garage monster
    That's starting to look pretty promising. :thumbsup:

    Did you have to truck in any dirt or is it all just excavated from that spot? :confused:
  • 11-12-2012
    singlesprocket
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Cornfield View Post
    Oh how I love piles of dirt! :yesnod: Looking real good! Maybe a 24" or even a 26" cruiser? There are alot of cool bikes at cruiser revolution.

    thanks cornfield :thumbsup:

    i dig those 24" wheeled crusiers.
  • 11-12-2012
    singlesprocket
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by garage monster View Post
    That's starting to look pretty promising. :thumbsup:

    Did you have to truck in any dirt or is it all just excavated from that spot? :confused:

    thanks garage monster. i've designed it so i use all the dirt from the excavation. everything was lazer leveled so all the slopes are consistent for optimial drainage.
    since all of this is a bit of a design experiment for myself, i must say i'm pleased with the results so far. though it does borrow from skate/bmx parks somewhat.

    project plan as it stands now:

    -continue shaping
    -test riding (cruiser purchse)
    -outside berm rock gardens
    -plantings
    -inside paving
  • 11-12-2012
    singlesprocket
    another cool backyard pump track

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  • 11-13-2012
    garage monster
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by singlesprocket View Post
    another cool backyard pump track

    There's a lot going on there in a very small space. :thumbsup:

    I wonder if that big puddle is from hosing down the track - looks kinda yucky. :skep:
  • 11-13-2012
    VVagabond
    Love this thread! Can't wait to see how it turns out. Keep the photos coming!
  • 11-13-2012
    Nerdgirl
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by VVagabond View Post
    Love this thread! Can't wait to see how it turns out. Keep the photos coming!

    I'm with Ms. Vagabond! I've eyed up the possibilities in our yard, but it's not to be. I'm particularly looking forward to seeing the landscaping!
  • 11-13-2012
    shawnt2012
    I was a big part of a committee for Our local Skatepark ( Ex BMX'er, lost sponsorship due to knee injury :( ), My brother and myself were the voice of the Skate/BMX community and we basically had free choice of what to pick, just had to stay on budget. $280,000 later we have an AWESOME concrete park.. Although you won't see me on it ( tried to screw around on my XC but they don't perform the best in a half-pipe :) ). Let your imagination spill when it comes to designing your track!, I am definitely 'pumped' to see the outcome of your project!
  • 11-14-2012
    cyclelicious
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Nerdgirl View Post
    I'm with Ms. Vagabond! I've eyed up the possibilities in our yard, but it's not to be. I'm particularly looking forward to seeing the landscaping!

    We have been collecting rocks to incorporate in the design. Haven't decided yet on plants
  • 11-14-2012
    shawnt2012
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by cyclelicious View Post
    We have been collecting rocks to incorporate in the design. Haven't decided yet on plants

    Soft ones :thumbsup:
  • 11-14-2012
    singlesprocket
    didn't like the tampers at the hardware store so i welded up my own...

  • 11-15-2012
    singlesprocket
    interesting vid

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  • 11-15-2012
    Cornfield
    Here's one that has some cool landscaping.Doesn't have the greatest flow,but it looks great!

    Backyard spotlight: John and Maggie’s pump track

    Pump Track Madness on Vimeo
  • 11-15-2012
    singlesprocket
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by shawnt2012 View Post
    Soft ones :thumbsup:


    winter bushes :thumbsup:
  • 11-16-2012
    cyclelicious
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Cornfield View Post
    Oh how I love piles of dirt! :yesnod: Looking real good! Maybe a 24" or even a 26" cruiser? There are alot of cool bikes at cruiser revolution.

    We are going to test some 24'' cruisers this weekend :)
  • 11-16-2012
    shawnt2012
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    winter bushes :thumbsup:

    Just so were on the same page..lol.

    We used to jump in these as kids, then after seeing the jackass guys do it off of roof tops... must be soft.. Haha! We called them 'jello bush', shake them and they would wiggle like jello!