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    Bronte Creek North Trail (Burlington, ON)- Game On!

    Received word back from the MNR that mountain bikers are allowed to use the Bronte Creek trail north of Dundas Street (Hwy 5).

    To be clear, the trail head coordinates are:
    Latitude: 43į24'58.72"N
    Longitude: 79į47'52.26"W
    OR, Burlington, ON, approximately 100 m east of Hwy 5 bridge over Bronte Creek on the north side. There is a white "Private Property No Trespassing" sign at the trailhead, but given the note from MNR below hiking/mountain biking is an acceptable use of the land.

    There is an existing trail south of Dundas St which is part of Bronte Creek Provincial park, I believe it is called the "Ravine Trail" and also permits mountain bike use. Together, the "north" and "south" combination is close to 10km in distance, so a nice workout for local riders looking to stretch their legs mid-week.

    Please note that the section north of Dundas is much more difficult than the portion south of Dundas.

    Ideally, there is a local mountain bike association that can "adopt" the trail and work with the MNR/Bronte Park to make the trail official and help maintain it. [hint for volunteer to establish a "Halton Mountain Bike Club"...]

    excerpt from email from MNR:
    "Thank you for your email. The addition lands highlighted in map are to be regulated as part of Bronte Creek Provincial Park. I understand there are existing trails within and through these parcels. Ontario Parks will be evaluating these trails and associated uses in light of any sensitive features to decide if these activities are sustainable, should be reduced or terminated. Appropriate zoning and permitted uses will be determined as part of a future management plan amendment process which will include public consultation.

    In the meantime, hiking and mountain biking on existing trails is permitted as long as impacts are minimal e.g., do not use trails in wet periods or where erosion is an issue. That being said, the trails were not constructed or authorized by Ontario Parks so their use is solely at your own risk."

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    Im in for helping clean and build. I ride that section atleast once per week.
    The no trespassing sign is actually for the adjoining property. You'll see them further out in the trail deep in the woods too.

    There is one structure that we need built there (to get over a huge fallen tree on a downhill section off the main trail)

    When do you want to start?

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    This is awesome to hear, I used to ride that section of trail weekly until the "no trespassing" sign got put up!
    I hope other people show interest in this trail so we can organize a maintenance day!

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    I would be happy to help with anything needed.
    Time is limited, sponsorship / donation is always an option. PM me with info.
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    This is really interesting! Thanks rwmtb. I was told about this trail and that entry was forbidden. I'd like to check it out. I can clean up the trail a bit as I ride and explore.

    Does anybody know how for north the trail goes? Beyond the 407?

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    Quote Originally Posted by mtb_tico View Post
    This is really interesting! Thanks rwmtb. I was told about this trail and that entry was forbidden. I'd like to check it out. I can clean up the trail a bit as I ride and explore.

    Does anybody know how for north the trail goes? Beyond the 407?
    Yes, the trails goes past 407. You can go under the 407 and you'll see the trail start-up again on the other side-- can't miss it. There are a couple of options on the section north of 407, generally I keep to the right when heading north, which will get you to the northern most point on the trail. Currently the trail ends a few hundred meters south of #1 Sideroad by a horse farm.

    I have gone farther, but it's bushwhacking.

    Good luck!

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    Bronte Creek Trail North- Trail Maintenance Days

    Seems like there is some definite interest in doing some volunteer trail maintenance on the Bronte Creek North Trail, which is great.

    I'm going to suggest a couple of days, but realize that it's going to be tough for all of us to coordinate perfectly-- c'est la vie.

    So, how about:
    1. Sunday, April 7, 1 pm
    2. Saturday, May 4, 9 am


    Spread the word, the more the merrier.

    In the meantime if anyone rides/hikes the trail feel free to suggest any items or sections that require maintenance, or if you have suggestions for improvements, and I'll start to compile a list.

    Looking forward to meeting you all.

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    I'd be into helping out on one or possibly both of those days.

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    i can make hte sunday, saturday i can be there by 1 with beer
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    Hey,

    I would love to come out and help you guys with the trail.

    I just signed up and picked up my first real mountainbike a few days ago. I live close by this area and would love to explore this trail this summer (never knew about it). Would be great to meet a few local riders.
    So count me in :-)

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    Is the entrance to this trail only from the path on the north west side of the bridge on Dundas st? If so, that area has been fenced off as construction crews seem to be using it to transfer underground pipes I believe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by desi4life10 View Post
    Is the entrance to this trail only from the path on the north west side of the bridge on Dundas st? If so, that area has been fenced off as construction crews seem to be using it to transfer underground pipes I believe.
    Hmmm, havent driven by there in while, but you are correct about the trails entrance. It shouldn't be a big deal to get around the construction and on to the trail! Count me in for either of those trail maintenance days!

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    I think we should come up with a game plan on how to use these build days effectively. Can the majority of you guys commit to both days? Should we focus the first day on walking the trails and doing minor clean up. This way we could find the areas that need further attention for the second day? I know I have three other friends that arent on this site that are also willing to help? let me know what your ideas are?

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    Quote Originally Posted by MXblur View Post
    I think we should come up with a game plan on how to use these build days effectively. Can the majority of you guys commit to both days? Should we focus the first day on walking the trails and doing minor clean up. This way we could find the areas that need further attention for the second day? I know I have three other friends that arent on this site that are also willing to help? let me know what your ideas are?
    Agreed, we'll need a game plan for our work days. I plan to hike the trails beforehand to get a sense of where the trail are at and what are some of the things that we need to work on. My focus will primarily be on maintenance, and improving some of the sections which are a bit sketchy (or a safety concern.) I won't be looking at things like structures, but am definitely open to these. I have a satellite photo of the area (thanks Google maps) with an overlay of the trail that we can use to start marking up where we need to do work. Regardless, I like the idea of walking the trail first to get everyone oriented and solidify our plan for the day.

    And if we need to, we can always schedule more work days.

    Great to hear/see all the volunteers that are planning on coming.

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    Quote Originally Posted by desi4life10 View Post
    Is the entrance to this trail only from the path on the north west side of the bridge on Dundas st? If so, that area has been fenced off as construction crews seem to be using it to transfer underground pipes I believe.
    The trailhead is on the northeast side of the bridge actually (not northwest). They have a section on the northwest side of the bridge fenced off as a staging area for their construction, but this won't interfere with our work (and we won't interfere with theirs.)

    Not sure if this will work, but try these "directions" with the final destination being the trailhead. The trailhead is a small driveway to nowhere, and is immediately west of a lonely house beside the bus parking lot. Hope that helps.

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    Caution;  Merge;  Workers Ahead! Brontemtb email

    I have setup an email account to start to coordinate better. If you plan to attend, or even if you are just interested, please email brontemtb@gmail.com. I will start to maintain a distribution list there.

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    This sounds like a great opportunity and project!

    If I can make a few suggestions, I'd recommend keeping track of who shows up for the maintenance days and logging your hours. Build a solid list of contacts and think about forming a "Friends of Bronte" sort of group (Facebook has been awesome for us in this regard). Keep in touch with the Ministry and/or Park Staff too - they may be your strongest allies in the future.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rwmtb View Post
    The trailhead is on the northeast side of the bridge actually (not northwest). They have a section on the northwest side of the bridge fenced off as a staging area for their construction, but this won't interfere with our work (and we won't interfere with theirs.)

    Not sure if this will work, but try these "directions" with the final destination being the trailhead. The trailhead is a small driveway to nowhere, and is immediately west of a lonely house beside the bus parking lot. Hope that helps.
    Rwmtb you are correct about the trail heads location. I apologize for the misdirection, don't know what I was thinking last night!

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    I took a drive over there yesterday with the intention of taking a walk on the trail to see what we're dealing with. I see the No Trespassing sign (courtesy of the Gov of Ontario) and the chain across the entrance is still there. Gets me wondering if we can go in and do the work without fear of being arrested...do we have permission to be doing this?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pucker Factor View Post
    I took a drive over there yesterday with the intention of taking a walk on the trail to see what we're dealing with. I see the No Trespassing sign (courtesy of the Gov of Ontario) and the chain across the entrance is still there. Gets me wondering if we can go in and do the work without fear of being arrested...do we have permission to be doing this?
    We have permission from the MNR to use this land for mountain biking (see first post in thread for excerpt from their response to my query). I'm assuming though that you saw this post. Part of the intention of getting a group of folks out to do some work on the trail is to see what interest is out there and hopefully use this as a catalyst for getting a more formal group together. What the "more formal group" may look like is tbd, but at minimum some form of organization that can work with MNR/Bronte Creek Park to say that we'd like to be part of the process to define the Site Management Plan for this land, and even volunteer to take on the responsibility for maintaining the trail. I think in the meantime we use our judgement in what we propose to do-- for example, as much as I'd love to break new trail we'd probably want to hold off on this and simply maintain what is there. To me the focus for now is keeping the existing trail in good shape including some minor modifications to keep it safe.

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    Myself and a friend will be there this weekend to start clean up.
    Theres really no need to blaze any new trails as there is alot of old trail the further out you go.

    Once the better weather starts there is a couple of structures I intend on rebuilding as theyve become a little dangerous.

    But for now, lets simply break out the rakes and get it cleaned (as much as we can atleast) then we can worry about building and shaping the trail

    Like I mentioned previously, we ride there atleast once per week so we know the trail pretty well. And surprisingly, Ive only seen one other rider there in the past year
    And i'll see you guys on both days as well

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    Quote Originally Posted by teamhaymaker View Post
    Myself and a friend will be there this weekend to start clean up.
    Theres really no need to blaze any new trails as there is alot of old trail the further out you go.

    Once the better weather starts there is a couple of structures I intend on rebuilding as theyve become a little dangerous.

    But for now, lets simply break out the rakes and get it cleaned (as much as we can atleast) then we can worry about building and shaping the trail

    Like I mentioned previously, we ride there atleast once per week so we know the trail pretty well. And surprisingly, Ive only seen one other rider there in the past year
    And i'll see you guys on both days as well
    So you guys just park on the side of Dundas near that chained-off entrance and ride in?

    I was somewhat concerned that a bunch of cars parked there would attract some unwanted attention. Anyway, I'm gonna be there and I'll try to get my hands on a wheelbarrow in case we need to haul a lot of garbage out of there.

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    no, we park at LA Fitness or the school down the road and ride over.
    It sucks because you have to cross the bridge, but theres not much in the way of options

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    rwmtb I have sent you and email.

    I am in for sure and willing to help out where I can. I rode these trails a fair amount in the past but kept away since the chain went up. This is an amazing opportunity for local MTBers to convince the MNR and the Ontario Government that we are willing to work together towards sustainable trails on the surrounding lands of Bronte Provincial Park. I look forward to seeing where this all leads, along with helping to create a great place to ride without worrying about being charged with trespassing.

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    I got the rake and shovel out. Looking forward to sunday!

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    Grab your rake and shovel, trail care this Sunday (Apr 7)!

    A quick reminder to folks in the Oakville/Burlington area that we will be working on the trail this Sunday beginning at 1pm. If you are interested to join, please email Brontemtb@gmail.com and I'll send some details and add you to the email list.

    According to reports trail conditions are favourable for some work and the weather will hopefully cooperate too!

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    I look forward to this.

    I can bring a chainsaw and a backpack blower, I do have a concern about the noise and attracting unwanted attention from surrounding land owners at this early stage of the project.

    What do others think, do we go powerless for the first visit and assess what "major" clearing may need to be done if any? If a chainsaw is needed for "major" clearing we can address these at a future visit? Which at this point could maybe be the following weekend if others are interested.

    Let me know what you guys think..

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    If you come across any problem areas, I've found that the IMBA Trail Solutions book can be quite helpful and it's not terribly expensive.

    Bronte Creek North Trail (Burlington, ON)- Game On!-trail_solutions_450.jpg
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    Quote Originally Posted by slipfinger View Post
    I look forward to this.

    I can bring a chainsaw and a backpack blower, I do have a concern about the noise and attracting unwanted attention from surrounding land owners at this early stage of the project.
    I can't speak for your project, but I know in our conservation area, they require that any chainsaw users be licensed. In general, they're not keen on power tools.

    For anything beyond minor maintenance, I would STRONGLY encourage you to move ahead with the full knowledge and cooperation of the land manager.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nerdgirl View Post
    I can't speak for your project, but I know in our conservation area, they require that any chainsaw users be licensed. In general, they're not keen on power tools.
    Plus, if you are licensed, they expect you to show up in full PPE.
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    All the above are my concerns as well. I'm licensed and have required PPE, but really don't want to cause any negative impact of the project at all.

    I think at this point in the game good old muscle power will do. As the group becomes more established and educated we can decide as a whole how we want to move forward and make sure we are taking positive step for the overall success and longevity of this project.

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    Quote Originally Posted by slipfinger View Post
    All the above are my concerns as well. I'm licensed and have required PPE, but really don't want to cause any negative impact of the project at all.

    I think at this point in the game good old muscle power will do. As the group becomes more established and educated we can decide as a whole how we want to move forward and make sure we are taking positive step for the overall success and longevity of this project.
    Well said. The real goal of getting a few guys out is to gauge the interest in organizing a more formal group, and then at some point approaching MNR/Bronte Park to volunteer to care for the trails.

    In the meantime, we do have permission to use the trails from the MNR. The work we'll be doing is geared toward cleaning things up and making sure things are safe.

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    I am actually really surprised about how much interest people have given. I've ridden these trails during the week as well as on the weekend and I have only once met a fellow mtber on the section of trail north of highway 5! This build day will also be good to meet other riders in the area!

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    Bronte Creek North Trail (Burlington, ON)- Game On!

    I'd like to join Saturday if possible.

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    [QUOTE=nanochef;10292912]I'd like to join Saturday if possible.[/QUOTE

    Just send an email to Brontemtb@gmail.com. We'll be there on Sunday actually, hope that still works for you.

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    How was the turnout last Sunday? I just came across this thread now, but I'm quite pumped about this! I live very close by but haven't ridden this trail since the chain went up. I too only ever came across maybe one other rider in all my times out there.

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    The build day went good, we were able to clear up some of the trails and deal with some drainage issues. Rwmtb has some plans that he is working on with the key points we should work on during the next build day! Be sure to get on the email list if you haven't already!

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    Hey just coming accross this thread, was riding some other trails closer to home this past weekend. But would love to take a drive and check this spot out! I balance a couple of hobbies (and work of course) but would be more than happy to come out for the next work day with a shovel and rake and help out! Just getting into this, would be nice to make some connections, and find a few more riders. I live in St Cath, but work in Hamilton/Stoney Creek, would be a nice spot to hit after work. Anyone have any pics or details? This is XC trail or more DH, its all good, just curious....any jumps or cool features yet? Lets build some if not!

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    hey everyone, just got signed up here after meeting a few of you on sunday at the track maintenance day! im a friend of Mxblur's, i was on the white giant anthem 29er. look forward to some more build/maintenance days. me and mxblur also plan to get out there once the weather gets better and do some building after our work hours.

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    It was good to meet you guys, too...thanks for coming out and helping us! That was definitely a good first effort on the trails and with the number of people offering to help with the workload, it shouldn't take too long to get them in tip top shape.

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    Bronte Creek North Trail (Burlington, ON)- Game On!

    Great weekend and great people. Unfortunately I have a first communion I won't be able to attend. My friend and I are working on getting some lumber to build the bridge, as soon as the rain stops lol

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    Hey guys, I hiked through the trails on Sunday and started to fix up a couple of the sections just before the 407! They still need to be finished up though and a couple roots need to be removed with an axe. It's a perfect time to get some of the maintenance done while the grounds still wet from this rain!

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    So I FINALLY got a response from someone at Bronte Creek Provincial Park "Thanks for your e mail I will chat with my staff and get back to you." Well it's a start anyway.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rwmtb View Post
    So I FINALLY got a response from someone at Bronte Creek Provincial Park "Thanks for your e mail I will chat with my staff and get back to you." Well it's a start anyway.
    Stick with it. These things take time. When we were getting started, it took nearly a year before anyone took us seriously.

    It helps that you got to them before high season. Come Summer, they'll be way too busy.
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    Bronte Creek North Trail (Burlington, ON)- Game On!

    Anyone been lately? Was thinking of heading over tomorrow morning for a quick boot.

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    not sure if you went over there yet, me and mxblur were over there on thursday. there are a few pretty muddy spots on the first section before you get to the train tracks. there was alot of rain last week so the majority of it is kind of slick, but definately still worth a trip out. still a fun ride

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    Hello all, just wanted to say hello and to others know that I was out Sunday 28 April for a ride. Some nice work has been done since last summer which was the last time I was there. Great work was done to rebuild some features in the lower section, love the drop-off that was fun and the ladder up to the big skinny before you get to that section was still in place. Last year when I was there it was missing but some hiking into the bush I soon discovered one that looked like it would fit, and to my joy I believe it most likely was the one built for it. I did the short loop and then the longer loop past the 407 keeping to the right so I could do the drop-off at the end. On my way back I stopped to pile some rocks around a metal surveyorís stake sticking out of the ground I found hike-a-biking up from the creek, this would be the downhill section if you keep left when doing the loop past the 407. I also did some work building up the really sharp turn thatís been getting washed away, itís about half way between the train tracks and the rock garden. I used some material that just happened to be lying around nearby.
    I had gone there for a good time not a long time but it was both with the maintenance and checking things out. For a 8-9km loop if you do both the lower section and short and long will burn up your legs and youíll have a blast with plenty of features for all styles and skill levels. Now to convince my riding buddies from Hamilton to check it out. Maybe we can start with this loop then pack-up and head for Waterdown for the great trail network they got there, thatíll make a good days riding.
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    Quote Originally Posted by blitzblack View Post
    Hello all, just wanted to say hello and to others know that I was out Sunday 28 April for a ride. Some nice work has been done since last summer which was the last time I was there.
    Hey blitzblack, glad you enjoyed the trails. Yeah, folks have been busy fixing things up-- we're getting some good momentum and the trail is starting to show it. If you are interested there is a group heading up this Saturday (May 4) to work on the trails. Email BronteMTB@gmail.com and I can add you to the list-- everyone welcome of course.

    We have also had a favourable response from the superintendent of the Bronte Creek Provincial Park, so fingers crossed we can keep expanding both north and south of Dundas St.

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    I can't commit to be there, but if I can I will.
    I have never been south of Dundas, is it worth it? I heard it is not so technical, basic single track, if there in no danger of crashing or hitting a tree or jump, I may be a bit bored lol.

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    Quote Originally Posted by blitzblack View Post
    I heard it is not so technical, basic single track, if there in no danger of crashing or hitting a tree or jump, I may be a bit bored lol.
    Probably the last thing the superintendent of BCPP whatís to see and hear... Just saying.

    I can't say for certain but I am sure the "features" will become a hot topic if this project continues to gather momentum.

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