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    Idea! All Weather Challenge @ Hilton Falls

    It goes down rain, snow, or shine on April 6th. (maybe)

    Come out and ride this great fun race and support Hilton Falls, one of the finest places to ride in Southern Ontario! There are draw prizes for early registrants, and a whole bunch of categories. Some of the trail has nasty sections so ya better be good. There's rocks, roots and logs mixed in with high speed fire road. It always takes folks by surprise. Better start training! There are a couple of moderate climbs, but the main obstacle is the technical nature of the trails. Who knows how much snow is going to be left! Event goes rain or shine or snow!
    If you register before 6pm Friday (28th), you are eligible for the early bird draw, which gives away ~$1000 worth of stuff.

    For more info, see:

    http://www.wowmtb.com/WOW/Hilton_Fal...Challenge.html
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    ill be there. Lets see if sobriety and winter training is what its cut out to be.

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    Let's see if derailleurs are all that Aaron claims they're cut out to be!

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    Hmm anybody been there recently?
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    Ricksom was there on the weekend

    Current Hilton Falls Conditions?
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    There will no doubt be snow on the trails. There was a really frozen solid base on the trails when I was there on Friday. Very few of the rocks are even exposed, everything is filled in but choppy as hell.

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    I'm most concerned about ice. I have no studs, and I don't want to slip an hurt myself.
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    Well I signed up today. I went for a ride on some rail trail today in Hamilton, it was pretty brutal. I think the best we can hope for is sub 0 weather for race day. WIth the way this winter is going, that is likely quite possible.

    Hopefully within the trees and shade, there won't be significant melting to cause very icy trails (just frozen, crunchy frozen slush) as I don't have any studs either.

    I'm not sure how packed down it is in Hilton Falls, or how they route the course, but there could be a fair bit of walking/running.

    On a side note, I signed up online (in a bit of a hurry) and it said I would be contacted regarding a payment. I assumed I would receive an email confirmation, but didn't. Is this common or did I miss something in my rush?

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    Quote Originally Posted by CptSydor
    On a side note, I signed up online (in a bit of a hurry) and it said I would be contacted regarding a payment. I assumed I would receive an email confirmation, but didn't. Is this common or did I miss something in my rush?
    I have not been contacted yet. I registered online this afternoon.

    The 14 day trend has all the highs above zero (but as we all know, that does not really mean too much)

    http://www.theweathernetwork.com/fourteenday/caon0434
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    Quote Originally Posted by rkj__
    I have not been contacted yet. I registered online this afternoon.

    The 14 day trend has all the highs above zero.

    http://www.theweathernetwork.com/fourteenday/caon0434
    Good....that suggests I did things right. Always in question.

    That forecast doesn't look good. I don't know these trails well, but unless they are seriously packed down well by walkers/skiers, this could be a long 20km.

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    It is frozen but just frozen snow rather than slick sheets of ice. Grip is good, I wouldn't worry about slipping, unless it really melts and then freezes over. You definitely won't need studs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CptSydor
    Good....that suggests I did things right. Always in question.

    That forecast doesn't look good. I don't know these trails well, but unless they are seriously packed down well by walkers/skiers, this could be a long 20km.
    It was definitely a long hard race for me last year. It was raining, and kinda cold.

    You can read my race report from last year here:

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    Quote Originally Posted by rkj__
    It was definitely a long hard race for me last year. It was raining, and kinda cold.

    You can read my race report from last year here:

    W.O.W Hilton Time Trial
    Good report Ryan, got me a little more excited.

    In my personal opinion however, give me cold and wet, I can deal with that. I commute daily in all weather conditions (well except that morning it was -12 and 60km/h winds). I'm used to having to ride 45+ minutes when I was too lazy to pack my rain gear (see Tuesday).

    Anything more than 3" inches of potentially soft snow, that's just cruel punishment!

    I'll do it, but I don't have to like it. Okay, I'l like it when I'm done, but not during!

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    Quote Originally Posted by rkj__
    It was definitely a long hard race for me last year. It was raining, and kinda cold.

    You can read my race report from last year here:

    W.O.W Hilton Time Trial
    Great report; the best part was the bit about visiting spokes n slopes. Your description of that shop is perfect. Looks like a bomb went off in that place.

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    Despite popular belief, it isn't an all weather challenge. In 2003 we picked up 15 cm of snow the Friday before the race, and they postponed it for a week. So im sure they'll do a prelim check and go from there.

    Also worth noting, the week before has historically been a poor indication of what to expect. I think a week of days over 5 degrees should make things manageable.

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    Update

    This explains why I have not been contacted for payment yet.

    Quote Originally Posted by Hilton Falls
    we are not sure if the race will proceed on April 6th yet. The final decision will be made on Wednesday. The race may be postponed to a later date due to the large amount of snow on the trails. As of last Friday, some trails still had over a foot of snow. I will contact you by Wednesday to let you know what's going on.
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    It should be called

    The All weather challenge*

    *not actually all weather.


    If its postponed a week later, i cant race it.. bloody exams..

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    Well, from my forecasting experience, which is nothing more than me being able to distinguish white from brown, I'm guessing there will be 6+ inches of soft snow on most, if not all the trails in Hilton. Quite possible the worst and only situation to prevent the race.

    With the snow we have, unless we are getting some pretty sunny/warm temperatures (that don't return to below freezing after sunset) or heavy warm rain, it could be close to the end of April before we see the snow melted in the forested areas.

    I've made my bets. I signed up for Tour of Pelham. I'll race both if I have to.

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    What to do?

    Quote Originally Posted by CptSydor
    I've made my bets. I signed up for Tour of Pelham. I'll race both if I have to.
    I just don't know what to do, but based on the reports, it sounds like Hilton is probably a no-go. Since I have not payed yet, it's not like I am locked into that race.

    Maybe I should go ahead and sign up for the Tour of Pelham? Probably... It's 35km of riding I need. O-Cup #1 is coming up on me way too fast.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rkj__
    I just don't know what to do, but based on the reports, it sounds like Hilton is probably a no-go. Since I have not payed yet, it's not like I am locked into that race.

    Maybe I should go ahead and sign up for the Tour of Pelham? Probably... It's 35km of riding I need. O-Cup #1 is coming up on me way too fast.

    I was hoping Hilton would be a go. If they say it's going on, since I did sign up, I will likely race, however in retrospect, I should have realized with the exception of sub zero temperature, this was probably pretty unlikely.

    I was torn between racing the two, and similarly, I wanted to get some 'race km's' in, mostly out of curiosity to see where I a am.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CptSydor
    I was hoping Hilton would be a go. If they say it's going on, since I did sign up, I will likely race, however in retrospect, I should have realized with the exception of sub zero temperature, this was probably pretty unlikely.

    I was torn between racing the two, and similarly, I wanted to get some 'race km's' in, mostly out of curiosity to see where I a am.
    I know exactly where i am, and it is pretty far from racing shape. I really want to do the Hilton Race, but I'd hate to hold out till Wednesday, find out it is canceled, and then miss out on the no extra charge food at the ToP.
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    Yeah, free pancakes made the potential of racing twice in a weekend worth it.

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    I'm pulling out of the All Weather* challenge. I'll be racing the ToP instead.
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    Excellent. All that fireroad is going to be amazing when dry. 1.9 semi slicks anyone?

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    Quote Originally Posted by rkj__
    I don't want to slip an hurt myself.
    i'm laughing so hard right now that i'm not really sure what you said was all THAT funny...

    maybe it was the tone, maybe it's because i visualized you in plaid pants, slip-ons and a blue cardigan mumbling to the pigeons in the park...d'know...
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    Quote Originally Posted by nogearshere
    i'm laughing so hard right now that i'm not really sure what you said was all THAT funny...

    maybe it was the tone, maybe it's because i visualized you in plaid pants, slip-ons and a blue cardigan mumbling to the pigeons in the park...d'know...
    Now you almost made me burst out laughing on the silent study floor of the library!
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    I talked to Andrea from Hilton Falls today, and she said the early bird deadline had been extended to the 18th of this month. So, you can still get your name in for some draw prizes.

    Since the event has been re-scheduled, I am "IN" again. It's the weekend I move, but it's not like I have that much stuff, so I should be able to race.
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    so what happened with this all weather challenge? who went? how was it?

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    as stated in post #24 by jmoote, the event was postponed to May 4.
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    doh!!!!!!!!!

    I guess i assumed by the "ALL" part of all weather that it went on without a hitch. I guess I made an ass of me!

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    Quote Originally Posted by poisonfrog

    I guess i assumed by the "ALL" part of all weather that it went on without a hitch.
    One would assume so...
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    Took a peek at a trail system near hilton falls today, and lo and behold!


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    Just as I suspected. Thanks for the update superlightracer.

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    looks like all weather to me

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    bump..bump bump.

    Next weekend! (May 4th)

    Im gonna use this for some extra race experience.

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    With rain in the forecast for next weekend.. we may just get the "all weather" experience that we have been looking for ..

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    Anyone ridden at Hilton falls recently and able to comment on trail conditions?

    I'm on the fence between either doing the TT or putting in some quality road miles before the Albion O-cup.

    Cheers

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    there are some pictures here:

    Today's (short) ride

    Sounds like the trails are good.
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    Quick question:

    Is the All-Weather challenge really all-weather? I mean, it has already been delayed due to un-rideable trails right?

    Well what if it rains Thursday, Friday, Saturday, and Sunday? Could this be postponed further?

    I'd like it to be, as I'm working the night-shift this week and as a result will be unable to make it out. I would have liked to try this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by paulster2626
    Is the All-Weather challenge really all-weather? I mean, it has already been delayed due to un-rideable trails right?
    Well what if it rains Thursday, Friday, Saturday, and Sunday? Could this be postponed further?
    I really doubt they will postpone it again. I have done this event a few times and it has gone in the rain before. Hilton Falls generally drains well as it's very rocky, so while it could be wet/muddy, there should not be any permanent damage to the trails.

    The reason it was postponed from the original date was that there was still about a foot of snow in many places, and it was so soft that it was literally unrideable, your wheels sunk right in to the bottom.

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    Ahh that's too bad - everyone be sure to take lots of photos so I can see what its all about.

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    hoy!

    who'll be there? ive lost track through the course of the thread

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    Is the course map the same every year?

    If not, could someone post this year's map for me? I'd like to try ridiing it sometime this week, to see if I could have handled it...

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    Quote Originally Posted by superlightracer
    hoy!

    who'll be there? ive lost track through the course of the thread
    I'll be there. Say hi.
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    Good luck for those who are going today. Should be nice and sunny.

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    Well - how was it? Any pics? Route-map?

    I picked up a lot of garbage from the trails yesterday. Aren't race organizers supposed to get this stuff cleaned up after a race? Lots of gel packets all over the place.

    I'd like to know - if I can put a bunch of these things in my pocket without it turning in to a sticky mess, why can't the people who use them?

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    Quote Originally Posted by paulster2626
    Well - how was it? Any pics? Route-map?

    I picked up a lot of garbage from the trails yesterday. Aren't race organizers supposed to get this stuff cleaned up after a race? Lots of gel packets all over the place.

    I'd like to know - if I can put a bunch of these things in my pocket without it turning in to a sticky mess, why can't the people who use them?
    I have been having internet issues, and have been pretty busy lately, with moving, and starting a new job.

    I'll try to get a few pics posted on the weekend - they are on my mom's camera.

    Overall, the race went pretty good. I had about as much energy as I expected. There really is not much for climbing at all there. The biggest challenge is definitely the rocks. First lap, I think I was trying to ride beyond my ability level, and was not riding very smoothly. I crashed a few times, one of which left my knee a little sore for the next 24h. At the end of my first lap, I made it a goal to clear more of the tough sections, and ride smoother, even if it meant slowing down a bit. That goal went pretty well, and I had more fun on my second lap. My lap times were very close in time, which i was also very happy with. Last year, i really died on the second lap - conditions were much worse last year, and the race was also earlier in the year.

    There were only 5 people in my category, and I got to stand on the box along with supa'.

    All in all, a good day.
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