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    2012 predictions for eastern canada mtbing

    -increase of multi-use trails being built
    -more features being excepted
    -increased number of cyclists
    -xc racing will decrease to smaller venues, less money to be had
    -more underground races/events
    -new riding areas being developed
    -imba becomes less important
    -dirt features become more popular
    -travel stays closer to home as the economy stagnates
    -long travel bikes make a comeback
    -bike parks become more excepted and mainstream
    -bike culture outside of racing grows
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    A very consistent summary below of what you want to have happen, as compared to your previous posts.

    I have no similar predictions, but I hope everyone just enjoys whatever type(s) of riding they choose to participate in. If they decide to shift their time from one type of riding activity to another because that's what they feel like, nothing wrong with that.

    Quote Originally Posted by singlesprocket View Post
    -increase of multi-use trails being built
    -more features being excepted
    -increased number of cyclists
    -xc racing will decrease to smaller venues, less money to be had
    -more underground races/events
    -new riding areas being developed
    -imba becomes less important
    -dirt features become more popular
    -travel stays closer to home as the economy stagnates
    -long travel bikes make a comeback
    -bike parks become more excepted and mainstream
    -bike culture outside of racing grows

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    Quote Originally Posted by singlesprocket View Post
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    -more features being excepted
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    -bike parks become more excepted and mainstream
    (...)
    Psst, I think you mean "accepted". What you wrote is really quite different.
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    Any trends to back this up??

    What about the popularity of point to point races and grand fondo's?? Trends seem to support the growth there. Ride to Conquer Cancer is getting large enough that they are adding an alternative route for next year, now I know that is not mtb but you also say there will be an increase in biking culture and no matter how you look at it large group rides and racing are a part of bike culture. I have met a lot of people who were introduced to cycling though the ride to Conquer Cancer and continued after.

    Talking to a shop out in Calgary the other big trend is that office workers are replacing golf with biking, whither it is road or mountain riding, I see this as a trend that is going to grow quite a bit in eastern Canada as well.
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    Everything trends up-and-down and it is not necessarily the same way across North America. Mountain biking has certainly seen a downward trend over the past few years, mostly due to an aging population and the economy. Those with money have spent more of it on road cycling, hence the success of the Gran Fondo or charity ride.

    From our standpoint this is what we see going forward:

    More youth getting involved in mountain bike racing. It has definitely seen a large increase over the past few seasons. Mountain bike racing and riding is very much a family-oriented sport in this province (very different from road racing), and there has been an increase in clubs getting youth involved in mountain biking.

    Many past mountain bikers will reconnect with the sport, and do a bit less road cycling. Dual suspension, carbon 29ers and more sustainable trail design has meant mountain biking is less back-breaking than it was a few years ago. This opens it back up to many who were lured to road cycling as their new cycling activity.

    Certainly I think free-riding is going to continue to maintain in popluarity out west, but in Ontario x-country mountain biking will continue to lead by a massive margin. Out west mountain biking is more like downhill skiing, while in Ontario it is more like x-country. X-country racing has a very small
    following out west, similarly freeriding has a small following in Ontario.

    I do think the 20 somethings as somewhat of a lost market, they have less money to spend as ever, and more of it is spent on technology. If they have a job chances are they are working harder for less... This is where the obstacle runs are seeing a huge growth, no equipment required!

    I am all for more terrain parks, trails and access to the sport for a wide range of ability levels.

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    I liked the idea that as a trend, the distance people are willing to drive for a ride might be decreasing. I don't think most people properly value their driving cost: 30-50 cents/km, plus the time behind the wheel valued at the same rate as your hourly salary/wage. But, awareness of that is coming around slowly. We've gone off on a bit of a tangent with the recent excessive focus on fuel economy in the new small cars, but it's a start.

    If you agree with that, I think it really says that the sport needs new facilities/trail systems for growth. Those are leading indicators of any possible growth. What do we have on the horizon right now?

    As far as growth in culture goes, I think the only realistic prospects for significant growth are in bike commuting culture; the junior element of the culture trinity after road and mtb.

    Good topic.

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    Chico, you haven't lost this 20-something. I'm new to racing in the past couple of years and I love it. I'll be back this season provided I can get over a recent injury.

    I have no predictions but I can say that mountain biking - mainly short travel xc - is making an upward trend in my area (northern Ontario). There seems to be a greater number of people making the trip down to the races every year, despite the increased cost of lodging for the night. For 2012, look for even more racers from the boonies of the north.. some of them may even be 20-somethings!

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    local 2 and 3 day stage racing....grassroots style.

    [really, it's what i want to see ]


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    On the equipment side, I'd expect CX bikes to keep gaining ground. They used to be a niche item but more and more people seem to be discovering the joys of mixed-surface riding in Eastern Canada.
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    Quote Originally Posted by garage monster View Post
    On the equipment side, I'd expect CX bikes to keep gaining ground. They used to be a niche item but more and more people seem to be discovering the joys of mixed-surface riding in Eastern Canada.
    I think Ontario has more potential for mixed-surface cx bike riding than it does for DH and FR.

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    Schism of XC / AM growing larger than ever as the fitness crowd continues to grow. The latter people label fire-road and double-track riding as epic mountain biking. many groans.

    AM growing larger as XC riders who no longer feel challenged jump ship or buy massive travel bikes to plow the trail.

    New 26" hardtail even harder to find.
    9sp high end part production cut.
    Decreased participation in racing series due to entry fee and travel.
    Copeland gets fixed and is even more fun.
    High park doesn't get a bike park... ford nation strikes.
    Long travel bikes get lighter.
    Carbon fiber gets to be almost affordable.
    29r travel gets taken to the max and some really rotten designs are marketed.
    Everybody decides they need a dropper post.

    Albion is converted to a ****ing massive baby smooth pumptrack with gigantic tabletops and a 24" trend starts

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    Quote Originally Posted by electrik View Post

    New 26" hardtail even harder to find.
    9sp high end part production cut.
    Decreased participation in racing series due to entry fee and travel.
    Long travel bikes get lighter.
    Carbon fiber gets to be almost affordable.
    29r travel gets taken to the max and some really rotten designs are marketed.
    Everybody decides they need a dropper post.
    Those trends are everywhere not just Eastern Canada.

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    Quote Originally Posted by electrik View Post
    Albion is converted to a ****ing massive baby smooth pumptrack with gigantic tabletops and a 24" trend starts
    I think I'd last all of two laps of a solo if that ever happened. Although it does bring back fond memories of racing at Raystown in Pennsylvania...

    I once challenged Mark Summers to an "endurance" pump track race at Ray's in Cleveland. After 21 laps, we called a truce and limped back to the lounge to scarf down mass quantities of pizza.
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    Bicycle derby on pumptracks. I saw a video of a couple of my friends going at it with contact on the Joyride pumptrack, I was just waiting for one of them to get sent flying off the track.

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    now now don't shot the messenger, one could also say the other camp is prissy because it does not meet their "consistent summary" of predictions. though same time next year would be the acid test

    Quote Originally Posted by Circlip View Post
    A very consistent summary below of what you want to have happen, as compared to your previous posts.

    I have no similar predictions, but I hope everyone just enjoys whatever type(s) of riding they choose to participate in. If they decide to shift their time from one type of riding activity to another because that's what they feel like, nothing wrong with that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by garage monster View Post
    Psst, I think you mean "accepted". What you wrote is really quite different.
    nah, i think it would work in the context/tone of this forum
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    when i think about ontario i think about dirt jumping... you can do it anywhere, you don't need a car to get to a venue... you don't need the oca... you don't have to pay fees, all you have to do is dig...

    i wouldn't say it is just road cycling but more as the bicycle as a viable form of transportation...





    Quote Originally Posted by chicoracing View Post
    Everything trends up-and-down and it is not necessarily the same way across North America. Mountain biking has certainly seen a downward trend over the past few years, mostly due to an aging population and the economy. Those with money have spent more of it on road cycling, hence the success of the Gran Fondo or charity ride.

    From our standpoint this is what we see going forward:

    More youth getting involved in mountain bike racing. It has definitely seen a large increase over the past few seasons. Mountain bike racing and riding is very much a family-oriented sport in this province (very different from road racing), and there has been an increase in clubs getting youth involved in mountain biking.

    Many past mountain bikers will reconnect with the sport, and do a bit less road cycling. Dual suspension, carbon 29ers and more sustainable trail design has meant mountain biking is less back-breaking than it was a few years ago. This opens it back up to many who were lured to road cycling as their new cycling activity.

    Certainly I think free-riding is going to continue to maintain in popluarity out west, but in Ontario x-country mountain biking will continue to lead by a massive margin. Out west mountain biking is more like downhill skiing, while in Ontario it is more like x-country. X-country racing has a very small
    following out west, similarly freeriding has a small following in Ontario.

    I do think the 20 somethings as somewhat of a lost market, they have less money to spend as ever, and more of it is spent on technology. If they have a job chances are they are working harder for less... This is where the obstacle runs are seeing a huge growth, no equipment required!

    I am all for more terrain parks, trails and access to the sport for a wide range of ability levels.
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    Quote Originally Posted by singlesprocket View Post
    now now don't shot the messenger, one could also say the other camp is prissy because it does not meet their "consistent summary" of predictions. though same time next year would be the acid test
    As mentioned, I have no predictions. However, I would be happy if all the following are realized in 2012;

    -increase of multi-use trails being built
    -more features being accepted
    -increased number of cyclists
    -xc racing and all other forms of racing increase in popularity
    -more underground races/events
    -new riding areas being developed
    -imba and like minded people find opportunities to work together, and that others who don't want/need imba's help are successful with their projects also
    -dirt features become more popular
    -riders find more hidden gems locally + economy makes huge comeback!
    -long travel bikes make a comeback
    -bike parks become more accepted and mainstream
    -bike culture outside of racing grows

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    Quote Originally Posted by garage monster View Post
    I think I'd last all of two laps of a solo if that ever happened. Although it does bring back fond memories of racing at Raystown in Pennsylvania...

    I once challenged Mark Summers to an "endurance" pump track race at Ray's in Cleveland. After 21 laps, we called a truce and limped back to the lounge to scarf down mass quantities of pizza.
    So, you're saying it will be awesome... no chains will be allowed either.

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    Quote Originally Posted by garage monster View Post
    Psst, I think you mean "accepted". What you wrote is really quite different.
    The Joseph Stalin of spelling has spoken.

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    2012 predictions
    More Fatbikes. With more bike and tire choices and with the cost coming way down, i think more people will get off the trainer and get out in the snow for a winter adventure. what "off season"??

    Chico racing introduces a duathalon,combining their historic mountainbike races with their new trail running races.

    Organized group rides (eg. Tour de Buttertart)etc..

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    I predict that Suntour will buy out Marzocchi's MTB division.

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    Chico racing introduces a duathalon,combining their historic mountainbike races with their new trail running races.
    Good idea as there is no competition from C3 in Caledon for this type of event. Plus it would provide entertainment value to me watching mtb racers trying to run 5 k successfully of the bike.

    Sadly..off road duathlons and tri's don't last very long in Canada.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Big Hustler View Post
    2012 predictions
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    Chico racing introduces a duathalon,combining their historic mountainbike races with their new trail running races.
    ...
    What's old is new again! Chico held a trail duathalon event in Durham forest for a couple of years over a decade ago, but it didn't really take off in popularity. Might be time to give it another try?

    Not being a runner, the 3km start run + 7km finishing run at what was my fastest pace left me feeling it in the quads a bit for a couple of days afterwards, to say the least.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Circlip View Post

    Not being a runner, the 3km start run + 7km finishing run at what was my fastest pace left me feeling it in the quads a bit for a couple of days afterwards, to say the least.
    .Hmmmm... I detect a new challenge.

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    I would really like to see more off road due's and tri's. I have either the xterra in canmore or the tri in Milton on the plans for next year. The running has started now I just need to get back into the pool.

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    Looking at the economy, I predict less of everything: less driving to venues, less purchasing, less ridding and less racing. For some mountain bikers like myself it also means more road riding, since it is easily accessible and can be done without any driving. I hope I am dead wrong about this!
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    Quote Originally Posted by garage monster View Post
    On the equipment side, I'd expect CX bikes to keep gaining ground. They used to be a niche item but more and more people seem to be discovering the joys of mixed-surface riding in Eastern Canada.
    Interesting, I had a different thought - I do own a CX bike, and have done a lot of early season riding on it, paved and non-paved roads, however, this year I got a geared hardtail 29er, and found it performed "almost" as well as the CX for what I use it for (and by "almost" I mean I am maybe 2-3k slower overall on the 29er);

    To anyone I know that currently has a roadbike, and a 26" full sus,, and is looking for something that they can ride on mixed surfaces, before the trails dry out, I might suggest the 29er hardtail over the CX.

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    You can always slap drop bars on your 29r and call it a monster-cross.

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    Quote Originally Posted by electrik View Post
    You can always slap drop bars on your 29r and call it a monster-cross.
    that's not monstercross...

    that's a drop bar'd 29'er ya goof
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    i'm going to put big ass wide bars on mine
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    Quote Originally Posted by CHUM View Post
    that's not monstercross...

    that's a drop bar'd 29'er ya goof
    Wait, confused now... If it looks like, rides like and smells like ... it isn't?

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    Quote Originally Posted by electrik View Post
    Wait, confused now... If it looks like, rides like and smells like ... it isn't?
    there are dudes that look, smell and ride like a chick...

    but they aren't....




    well...umm, er...from what i hear anyhoo...
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    Quote Originally Posted by CHUM View Post
    there are dudes that look, smell and ride like a chick...

    but they aren't....




    well...umm, er...from what i hear anyhoo...
    Yes, the world can be a very confusing place for an innocent mtb'r just trying to ride his bicycle and make ends meet.

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    My predictions for 2012

    Road cycling will continue to attract increasing numbers of riders (both new riders and mtbers crossing over)
    -based on 1) aging population finding road-cycling less strenuous, and access is easier
    2) easier to learn and master the basics while gaining quick results with practice (ie achieving endurance and speed)

    The impact of continuous increasing urban sprawl has left fewer places to ride safely. So I also predict that road-cyclists will seek more closed curcuit type rides and ride closer to home ( eg riding loops in industrial park areas or seeking paved bike paths)

    Aging bmxers and free riders seeking progressiveness and challenge cross over to DH

    Increasing momentum in creating DH bike parks. Ski resorts see potential for summer use and revenue

    More women at entry level to off road will become the biggest consumers of products such as 29rs

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    Quote Originally Posted by electrik View Post
    You can always slap drop bars on your 29r and call it a monster-cross.
    Pfft, monstercross is so 2008.

    This is the bike that comes out once the CX race bike goes away - saw its fair share of snow and ice just now too!

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    Quote Originally Posted by garage monster View Post
    Pfft, monstercross is so 2008.

    This is the bike that comes out once the CX race bike goes away - saw its fair share of snow and ice just now too!
    True, not quite old enough to appear retro... did those 29r eat up the monstercross category?

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    here are a couple of things I have noticed:

    1) moto, ATV...etc are even more expensive to operate, and there are less venues - some friends are coming over to the pedal power mode of recreation. MORE GREEN !

    2) FREE or low cost events are more popular than ever. Its not so much the regristration costs but the fuel costs to get to the event. Did this notion affect the HAN 24hr event?

    3) The bike industry is responding to the market and offering low cost entry mtn bikes and road bikes - very encouraging! Organizers must think along the same lines....mid-week series, OCups etc.

    Personally, I have steered my son towards bicycles and away from moto, or any motorize vehicle - even though my past is mostly about road racing. Cycling is just a better sport.

    I see growth ALL ROUND for cycling !!! Even for XC racing. CHICO, OCA, and PULSE....I have ideas, they are not revolutionary, but they do require everyone's co-operation.

    1) TRY-OCUP...make free....or a token amount. Give full-series members more bonus goodies. Same with 8hr events. Get riders to commit to all 3, 8hr events by making it possible, and not $100 (approx) every event.
    2) Mid-week series organizers....a family of four cant pay $45 bucks every week to race at Albion or Hardwood....they need that fourth KID FREE. IMHO
    3) Old guys and girls have money, your aging population can support growth in this sport. How can you benefit from this? think poo bear think.

    Just spit balling here....LC

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    Quote Originally Posted by twenty6black View Post


    1) TRY-OCUP...make free....or a token amount.
    I see you have been perusing at Tri Ontario.

    For those who don't know about this. The Tri-A Tri concept is really a short course event that is just to give newbies a taste without overwhelming them- Tri-A Tri distances are Swim-375m- Bike 10k- Run 2.5k And the race officials are much more lenient towards them then the rest of us age groupers.

    Good idea that triathlon latched onto and brings many into the sport who would other wise not because the regular distances are overwhelming to newbies.

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    O-Cups have had a "Try an O-Cup" category for several years now. I think this was just a suggestion to revisit the pricing for families.

    Quote Originally Posted by Enduramil View Post
    I see you have been perusing at Tri Ontario.

    For those who don't know about this. The Tri-A Tri concept is really a short course event that is just to give newbies a taste without overwhelming them- Tri-A Tri distances are Swim-375m- Bike 10k- Run 2.5k And the race officials are much more lenient towards them then the rest of us age groupers.

    Good idea that triathlon latched onto and brings many into the sport who would other wise not because the regular distances are overwhelming to newbies.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Circlip View Post
    O-Cups have had a "Try an O-Cup" category for several years now. I think this was just a suggestion to revisit the pricing for families.
    But then how would they fund the high performance programs if they drop the fees?? The horror.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Enduramil View Post
    But then how would they fund the high performance programs if they drop the fees?? The horror.
    I dunno. Maybe they could share one Gulfstream between them, instead of everyone on staff having their own?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Circlip View Post
    I dunno. Maybe they could share one Gulfstream between them, instead of everyone on staff having their own?
    Playa, is that a g5???

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    Quote Originally Posted by Circlip View Post
    I dunno. Maybe they could share one Gulfstream between them, instead of everyone on staff having their own?
    LOL.. maybe I shouldn't be discussing OCA whil watching IM Hawaii.

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    has anyone posted up stats on the the number of oca licenses issued from year to year? i looked at their web site and couldn't find anything. this type information would important for future land use planning. such statistical information is key. it will also show a trend and assist in long term planning to build the most sustainable trail system. actually it shows how out of touch the oca is with a large part of the riding community. they are getting the rug pulled out from under them and they don't even know it.
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    As a sanctioning body, I'm not sure what the OCA has to do with land use planning, especially since their licenses cover not only MTB but road, track, BMX and artistic cycling...

    However, I'm sure membership information is a big part of their audited statements and if you were really keen to find out, it would probably only take a quick e-mail to get the numbers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by garage monster View Post
    artistic cycling...
    What the flip is Artistic Cycling? Is this some kind of interpretive dance involving bicycles and strippers ( Chippendales for the ladies as we wouldn't want to be insular) ?

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    This is artistic cycling:

    <iframe width="420" height="315" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/Y9mJ2hXryGc" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

    and yes, it is governed by the UCI (but I was kinda joking around... ).
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    Is it anything like rhythmic gymnastics?

    Rhythmics is NOT easy! - YouTube (possiblyillsuitedFW)

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