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    Listen! 2009 Liberty! Bicycles Off-Road Squeezer

    This is the official 2009 Liberty! Bicycles Off-Road Squeezer thread.
    The event takes place on Sunday 27 September 2009, in St.Catharines, Ontario.
    Check the site for details...

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    I like the slogan/logo for this year. Hopefully it won't be wet like Lake to Lake, and I won't get stuck in the middle with you.

    Still going to have the Elite A wave?

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    Yay!

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    Quote Originally Posted by HSCoach2
    I like the slogan/logo for this year. Hopefully it won't be wet like Lake to Lake, and I won't get stuck in the middle with you.

    Still going to have the Elite A wave?
    Yes, we plan to have an A-level start again this year. It was such a huge success last year. It was so exciting; everyone loved it. We will also be separating the B, C and D waves to make them a little smaller. There are a few changes in the works.

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    SWEET!!!! Looking forward to this one - that's for sure.
    The new logo is pretty awesome too. Good stuff.
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    Divided Waves sounds GREAT

    I love the idea of the split waves.
    There were a few bottlenecks last year that should be remedied by this, like from the pond up behind the fire station (sorry don't know the new trail name yet).
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    5 person team competition? Cool.

    I wonder how they will decide the wave splits. I don't think it will matter, there will still be bottlenecks, its unavoidable. Personally I think that is a part of racing.

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    Looking forward to my second Squeezer!
    Does anyone know if organizers change the route much? I've heard that the direction changes from year to the next. If so, I would like to pre-ride the course that way.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Arctic Chupacabra
    Looking forward to my second Squeezer!
    Does anyone know if organizers change the route much? I've heard that the direction changes from year to the next. If so, I would like to pre-ride the course that way.
    The organizers may drop subtle hints, but the course is never revealed before the race.

    Personally, I don't expect any direction change. Things have been working pretty well the last couple years.
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    Online Registration Open

    We have (finally) opened Online Registration for Squeezer 2009. This year, waves are capped, and so is total participation. So, enter before your chosen wave is full. Information about the event is posted online. Good luck!

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    WICKED!! It's going to be a great race as always. I loved the elite wave last year and plan to try my hand in that again this year.

    Can't wait!
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    Quote Originally Posted by ddakin
    I loved the elite wave last year and plan to try my hand in that again this year.
    I might give the elite wave a whirl as well. Who knows, I might just give you some competition there Dan
    I'm banking on being a weasel and using the road climbs to my advantage. And just to bother you, I won't be eating any hamburgers prior to the race.

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    B or C wave

    I am pondering on what group to register for.
    Last year Squeezer was my first ever mtb race; I was in wave C and finished in 1:40. But I felt i was held back by slow riders in front of me on several occasions. And i hammered up on all the hills and nobody passed me. So I consider myself a fast novice.
    This year I have been training on the road quite a bit and think that my fitness level should be better than last year; my personal goal is to do the course under 1:30.

    So my question to you, my fellow racers: what wave should i register for?
    (1) still go with C but hammer down out of the gate trying to beat most of the slower riders before the singletrack, or
    (2) start in B and let faster riders pass me and then go with my own pace?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Arctic Chupacabra

    So my question to you, my fellow racers: what wave should i register for?
    (1) still go with C but hammer down out of the gate trying to beat most of the slower riders before the singletrack, or
    (2) start in B and let faster riders pass me and then go with my own pace?

    Depends if you can hammer down out of the gate or if you take a while to get warmed up / up to speed.

    If you take a while to warm up, then start in B, and just start out in the back. Then you don't bother anyone, right? And you can still chase.

    Also depends if you like chasing or being chased.... what helps you go fastest?

    Just my 2 cents....

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    Personally I'd rather be at the front of a wave. I think you should start 2nd row 'C'. That's where I started last year and as long as you stay with the front pack drafting you can go into the ST 10th to 20th. You don't have to hammer if you're just sitting on a wheel and you won't be gassed early. There will be a little bottleneck but it won't be to bad.

    Besides there is a lot of room to pass in the first half of the race. The only thing to worry about is the entrance into the first single track section.

    Or compromise and start in B2.

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    My second Squeezer this year as well. I am using the same strategy i used last year. Starting a wave slower than i think i should, that way i should not have anyone breathing down my neck too much. I will just try to start at the front of the wave (E!). I managed 1:56 last year. I too have been doing a lot of roadwork this year, so i hope to knock of 10-15 minutes and move into the top ten in teh Double Magnum class.

    I think a lot of the people pick a wave too fast for them. I think doing the opposite works best for me, I dont like feeling like i am holding people up, and would rather chase/pass then be passed constantly.
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    It's the day after the Fall 8 Hour so I'm not sure if I'm going to make it, would have loved to go in it but wish it was another weekend.

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    Caution;  Merge;  Workers Ahead! Squeezer Clothing Design + Start Groups/Waves

    RegattaSport is manufacturing a fantastic jersey for us, for this year's Squeezer. The mock-up is here. Check it out and let us know what you think. The T-Shirts will also feature our "Three-Sign" Wine-Route inspired graphic. Pre-production samples look cool.

    Also, a few participants are having a really tough time deciding which Group and Wave to select. We really recommend basing your choice on your ability -- and not overstating. There is no value in selecting a wave that is beyond your ability... In fact, it will even slow you down. Once you get bogged down and passed by people faster than you, there may be long delays before you can get back on your bike and recover your position. It is safer and faster to place yourself in a group of riders of a similar ability. Plus, you won't have to deal with the evil stares and questioning looks of those around you who will be wondering what you are doing in their Group (and Wave.) Do everyone a favour and be smart about your choice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kgwisdek
    RegattaSport is manufacturing a fantastic jersey for us, for this year's Squeezer. The mock-up is here. Check it out and let us know what you think. The T-Shirts will also feature our "Three-Sign" Wine-Route inspired graphic. Pre-production samples look cool.

    Also, a few participants are having a really tough time deciding which Group and Wave to select. We really recommend basing your choice on your ability -- and not overstating. There is no value in selecting a wave that is beyond your ability... In fact, it will even slow you down. Once you get bogged down and passed by people faster than you, there may be long delays before you can get back on your bike and recover your position. It is safer and faster to place yourself in a group of riders of a similar ability. Plus, you won't have to deal with the evil stares and questioning looks of those around you who will be wondering what you are doing in their Group (and Wave.) Do everyone a favour and be smart about your choice.

    Last years jerseys were made by Sugoi and the sizing was a bit on the small side. I just purchased a Hot August Nights jersey one size larger (XXL!) and it is even smaller. Any way to try and help us with the sizing? Seems that they are all over the map.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kirbster1966
    Last years jerseys were made by Sugoi and the sizing was a bit on the small side. I just purchased a Hot August Nights jersey one size larger (XXL!) and it is even smaller. Any way to try and help us with the sizing? Seems that they are all over the map.
    Thanks!

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    Here is the sizing grid in inches:
    MEN'S
    SIZES S M L XL 2XL
    CHEST 40 42 44 46 48
    FRONT LENGTH FROM SHOULDER 24 25 26 27 28 (S to 2XL)
    SLEEVE LENGTH FROM CB NECK 17 1/2 18 18 1/2 19 19 1/2 (S to 2XL)

    WOMEN'S
    SIZES XS S M L XL
    CHEST 35 37 39 41 43
    FRONT LENGTH FROM SHOULDER 23 1/2 24 24 1/2 25 25 1/2 (XS to XL)
    SLEEVE LENGTH FROM CB NECK 14 14 1/2 15 15 1/2 16 (XS to XL)
    **SLEEVE LENGTH FROM CB NECK: MEASURE FROM TOP OF SPINE, ACROSS SHOULDER & DOWN TOP OF ARM.

    Now, my own comparison shows that these numbers are larger than those of Sugoi per size. That would indicate they are much roomier... But, the RS jerseys are raglan-sleeve cut, instead of set-sleeve, which makes a fit difference. In reality, I have found them only slightly roomier than Sugoi jerseys, with a slightly narrower sleeve, per size. So, to recap: Slightly roomier and longer in the torso, but with a slightly tighter sleeve than last year's Sugoi Squeezer Jersey... (This applies to the men's version...)
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    Regatta sport is a sponsor for our team and our Trail Hogs jersey are from them. I am 200lbs and wear an XL short and long sleeve and they both fit snug. Hope that help. By the way Kurt, Squeezer jersey look great...good job

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    I have the Sugoi jersey from last year and the Regatta Sport jersey from this year. They both fit the same in the torso and yes the RS jersey is tighter in the sleeves. I wear a large and have doughy fat boy arms and donít have a problem with the RS, in fact I like the tighter arms better then the elastic end of the Sugoi.

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    cross bike riding in the squeezer.

    Thought about using my cross bike in the squeezer, runing 700 x 42c tires, I've riddin the squeezer before on a mtb, thinking of singlespeeding it too
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    Quote Originally Posted by VernDog
    Thought about using my cross bike in the squeezer, runing 700 x 42c tires, I've riddin the squeezer before on a mtb, thinking of singlespeeding it too
    Verndog
    Cool bike! Some of the Squeezer trails are prime for a cross bike, especially with 700x42s, and some decent trail-skill. But you have to know what you are doing, and hope for dry & fast trails....

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    Tall Jersey Option?

    Any chance of getting a "Tall" version of the jerseys with a few extra inches on the length? I would love to get one for this year, but there is no way they would be long enough. I am not sure if RS even offers the option, but there are probably a few tall racers who would like a longer jersey.


    Quote Originally Posted by kgwisdek
    Here is the sizing grid in inches:
    MEN'S
    SIZES S M L XL 2XL
    CHEST 40 42 44 46 48
    FRONT LENGTH FROM SHOULDER 24 25 26 27 28 (S to 2XL)
    SLEEVE LENGTH FROM CB NECK 17 1/2 18 18 1/2 19 19 1/2 (S to 2XL)

    WOMEN'S
    SIZES XS S M L XL
    CHEST 35 37 39 41 43
    FRONT LENGTH FROM SHOULDER 23 1/2 24 24 1/2 25 25 1/2 (XS to XL)
    SLEEVE LENGTH FROM CB NECK 14 14 1/2 15 15 1/2 16 (XS to XL)
    **SLEEVE LENGTH FROM CB NECK: MEASURE FROM TOP OF SPINE, ACROSS SHOULDER & DOWN TOP OF ARM.

    Now, my own comparison shows that these numbers are larger than those of Sugoi per size. That would indicate they are much roomier... But, the RS jerseys are raglan-sleeve cut, instead of set-sleeve, which makes a fit difference. In reality, I have found them only slightly roomier than Sugoi jerseys, with a slightly narrower sleeve, per size. So, to recap: Slightly roomier and longer in the torso, but with a slightly tighter sleeve than last year's Sugoi Squeezer Jersey... (This applies to the men's version...)
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    I know what you mean. I usually have to go one size larger to get the length. Maybe there will be a few available for you to try on at the event, so you might have a chance at that time. Then, again, they may sell out before the event.... Either way, there are no "Tall" versions available this year.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheDevilsCabanaBoy
    Any chance of getting a "Tall" version of the jerseys with a few extra inches on the length? I would love to get one for this year, but there is no way they would be long enough. I am not sure if RS even offers the option, but there are probably a few tall racers who would like a longer jersey.

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    L!B Off-Road Squeezer + OCA

    As of today, the Liberty! Bicycles Off-Road Squeezer is sanctioned by the Ontario Cycling Association. After many years and much discussion, The OCA has given the Squeezer an official nod, and has brought us on-board as a sanctioned event. An agreement was reached thanks to the input of dedicated and concerned cyclists, as well as the work and negotiation of Jim Crosscombe, Executive Director of the OCA, and the management of Liberty! Bicycles. We look forward to working with the OCA and making the Squeezer an even better event for the cycling community now and in the years to come. This agreement will make it possible for OCA affiliated cyclists to take part in the event without breaching associated agreements; And, non-OCA cyclists will not have to purchase race-licenses in order to participate. So, everyone wins, so to speak.
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    Squeezer Notices:

    Wave Status: B1 FULL. New registrants requesting this Wave will be placed in the next available wave-option. Remember, Groups and Waves are being capped this year to increase safety, eliminate congestion, maximize speed and fun, and improve the event for participants.

    Clothing Info: 2XL Jerseys SOLD OUT. Other sizes are still available. If you would like a Jersey or T-Shirt as a souvenir of this year's event, don't wait until your size is gone. We are only producing a limited number of these cool items.




    Since B1 is full, I through myself in the A wave. I spoke to my local Giant dealer, and my bike should be ready for the race.
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    The Squeezer is next weekend. Did you sign up yet?

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    Quote Originally Posted by thedumbopinion
    The Squeezer is next weekend. Did you sign up yet?
    Niagara Wine festival kicks off tonight.
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    Price Increase

    Squeezer Entry Fees go up Saturday at 5:00pm.
    There is no day-of-event registration available.
    Size Small T-shirts SOLD OUT
    Womens-Med, Mens-2XL Jerseys SOLD OUT
    B1 100% Full
    C1 95% Full

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    Trail condition

    Pre-ridden the course on Saturday. Bone dry! Even too dry - lost traction and crashed in one spot (Brock U section) because of loose soil on the curve.
    Now Weather Network is calling for rain on Sunday. For once I wish they were wrong. Don't need the repeat of L2L experience.
    But overall the trails are in awesome condition! Koodos to good people maintaining them!
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    Is anyone going to brave the course on a cross bike?

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    Quote Originally Posted by RossoCorsa
    Is anyone going to brave the course on a cross bike?
    People will I'm sure. I just think that the back end has such a stretch of singletrack that makes it not worth it or not the best bike anyway.

    During some group prerides people have had problems with flats in the rocky areas.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thedumbopinion
    During some group prerides people have had problems with flats in the rocky areas.
    So does anyone have pressure recommendations for someone considering the cross bike route?

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    Quote Originally Posted by RossoCorsa
    So does anyone have pressure recommendations for someone considering the cross bike route?
    I raced the Squeezer on my cross bike last year. There are some sections where being on a cross bike is just plain awesome - i.e. the two biggest climbs on the course. But, of course, there are sections where it is a disadvantage - i.e. the rougher singletrack after the reservoir.

    That said, when racing a "cyclocross" bike in a "mountain bike race" one of your biggest concerns is flats. You WILL hit a few rocks or roots harder than you intend to. Riding trails on your cross bike is one thing, but trying to race increases the risk.

    I strongly advise that you run really high pressure. I think I went with nearly 70psi - and I only weigh 155 lbs. My hands hated me for it, but I got through it without hearing that psshhhhhh sound.

    I concluded that while riding the cross bike was a good experience, I probably would not do it a second time.
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    Thanks for the response. If it's not too muddy I'll be using tubulars. Would that lower the recommendation by much?

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    Quote Originally Posted by RossoCorsa
    Thanks for the response. If it's not too muddy I'll be using tubulars. Would that lower the recommendation by much?
    Tubulars do have a lower tendency to pinch flat, but obviously, things can still go wrong if you crash your rim into rocks due to insufficient pressure.

    I've never used tubulars, so I can't throw any numbers at you.
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    Woo! All signed up. Definitely ready to have some pain served my way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by superlightracer
    Woo! All signed up. Definitely ready to have some pain served my way.
    The front of the field looks pretty insane.

    Zandstra, Morka, Battys, Alp, and more!
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    Anyone ridden these trails in wet conditions? I remember last year thinking some of the singletrack would be down right nasty/slippery if it got a bit damp. It looked like hard packed clay. A bit of water on top would be like riding on wet ice. Any recommendations? The forcast is looking liek crap at the moment.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kirbster1966
    Anyone ridden these trails in wet conditions? I remember last year thinking some of the singletrack would be down right nasty/slippery if it got a bit damp. It looked like hard packed clay. A bit of water on top would be like riding on wet ice. Any recommendations? The forcast is looking liek crap at the moment.
    I ridden these trails many, many times. Sometimes wet and sometimes dry. Sticking with Squeezer tradition, they will be wet on race day and some areas will be very tough to ride. The trails become a slick clay/mud that sticks to your wheels and doesn't like to come off.

    The good news is they are super-dry right now and will absorb a portion of the water very well. The bad news is 10-15mm Saturday with another 5 on race day. Per usual, survival of the fittest. Good luck.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thedumbopinion
    I ridden these trails many, many times. Sometimes wet and sometimes dry. Sticking with Squeezer tradition, they will be wet on race day and some areas will be very tough to ride. The trails become a slick clay/mud that sticks to your wheels and doesn't like to come off.

    The good news is they are super-dry right now and will absorb a portion of the water very well. The bad news is 10-15mm Saturday with another 5 on race day. Per usual, survival of the fittest. Good luck.

    Tire recommendations?
    I only have two choices. This close to race day i won't likely be able to do anything else.

    Hutchinson Scorpions front and back- rode these last year but it was dry.
    Specialized Roll-X front/ Fasttrack rear. Figured if it was dry these would be good, but many small knobs may clog up if it is that sticky.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RossoCorsa
    Thanks for the response. If it's not too muddy I'll be using tubulars. Would that lower the recommendation by much?
    40 psi and hope for nothing sharp? You won't pinch flat at that pressure on tubs, if you're a good rider, but maybe add an ounce of stans to each before, if these are not your best race tires. People have been known to do just that for the Iron Cross, admittedly a tougher race despite higher pavement/gravel road content, and are usually ok.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rkj__
    The front of the field looks pretty insane.

    Zandstra, Morka, Battys, Alp, and more!
    Is there a pre-reg list? Could you link it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by superlightracer
    Is there a pre-reg list? Could you link it?
    No, there is no pre-reg list posted, though it would be cool if there was.

    I got the info from one of the Liberty! guys.
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