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    Why would a fit rider want to e-MTB?

    Wondered about this while reading a previous thread; maybe there's a few possibilities WHERE IT'S LEGAL:

    1) Bikepacking with a big load.
    2) Change of pace; it's been fun for me.
    3) Need to travel a long distance for some reason.

    Any others?

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    I'm not. "fit rider" and don't have one but I see 2 reasons that they would be great. For me it would be e-fat bike.

    Your first option except the bike packing part. Carrying trail maintenance gear is faster by bike but totally sucks when your trails have steep punchy stuff. Having a motor to help on work days would be amazing. But for bike packing it doesn't make much sense. How are you going to charge it? It becomes way worse than no motor trying to pedal one once the battery dies.

    You option 2 seems to be the biggest thing. It's a "new toy" just like buying a different discipline of bike and using it for such. New type of fun, new smiles.

    3rd one again you run into battery range and trying to move the thing once dead. Far better than to just do it under your own power unless the going out is a lot of up meaning the trip back is a lot of down.

    I think majority is the second option though, just something different.

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    Race course setting/clearing.
    Trail work.

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    Why would a fit rider want to-

    Skydive
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    Ride lift assisted downhill
    Drive a few laps on the Nurburgring Ring
    etc.

    Lots of people are pretty diverse in their recreational pursuits and a mountain bike is just one toy among many so it's not surprising that an e-bike might be another one of them. One common denominator seems to be the fun factor, and I'm sure electric bikes deliver there.

    One reason I'm not interested in them is because the trails I really like riding now don't permit electric bikes and I hope they never do. Another is that they're really expensive and require a lot more maintenance than a bicycle, which isn't my thing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fos'l View Post
    Wondered about this while reading a previous thread; maybe there's a few possibilities WHERE IT'S LEGAL:

    1) Bikepacking with a big load.
    2) Change of pace; it's been fun for me.
    3) Need to travel a long distance for some reason.

    Any others?
    Bike packing? Yes, I want a heavier bike? Not. And charge the battery? Just plug it into a tree or cactus?
    Change of pace? Thats why I GO bikepacking.
    I can go long distances on my bike, no battery required. Coffee and bacon make great fuel. Dried salami too. So go long distances, what does one do when the battery runs out? Carry yet another heavy battery? How about a generator on a trailer to to charge the batteries? My Karate Monkey weighed 70 pounds this summer, can't imagine needing more weight, at least for a summer tour. YRMV.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fos'l View Post
    2) Change of pace; it's been fun for me.
    I thought eBikes were no faster than normal mountain bikes?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr Pig View Post
    I thought eBikes were no faster than normal mountain bikes?
    Meant different experience; didn't say anything about speed. Sorry if I was obtuse.

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    Didn't open this to argue, just mention some of the reasons that I might use e-power and see what might motivate others. Also, riders use solar power to recharge batteries and it's unlikely that I would exhaust my battery since I never have and know the consumption. I'd have a small (3 lb) back-up if my wife and I decide to try this; by the way, we hike and backpack too. Of course, there's possible mechanical malfunction, but I haven't experienced that in two years of riding on and off road.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fos'l View Post
    Of course, there's possible mechanical malfunction, but I haven't experienced that in two years of riding on and off road.
    Well, it's gona happen.

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    Meh, it's easy to find justification for new toys or to be "that guy". I'm a reasonably fit rider and wouldn't have one.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fos'l View Post
    Didn't open this to argue, just mention some of the reasons that I might use e-power and see what might motivate others. Also, riders use solar power to recharge batteries and it's unlikely that I would exhaust my battery since I never have and know the consumption. I'd have a small (3 lb) back-up if my wife and I decide to try this; by the way, we hike and backpack too. Of course, there's possible mechanical malfunction, but I haven't experienced that in two years of riding on and off road.
    Bikepacking for 2 days or two weeks? One of the reasons I go bikepacking is to unplug. How big is that solar array? Weight? I know people who charge stuff like lights and a phone, not large stuff. No arguing in the e bikes section, ever. Uggg. Do you even bikepack? Or just guessing at stuff?

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    To go faster and/or farther would be the top reasons I could see. More DH laps if you were an enduro racer training for instance. Faster is always fun.

    I could see it being useful for a bushwacking efat bike. Not that there are many places that would be happy to see people riding off trail.

    Besides the weight, for bikepacking you'd also be eating up valuable storage space with batteries and controller. I just don't see it as an attractive option for a fit rider.

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    Harry, that was pretty much my point (totally lost on the cretins); my only reasons (and I'm not even fit anymore although I ride or hike 4 or 5 times a week) would be the need for extra power, for whatever reason to travel further or as something different once in a while.

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    Well I haven't heard of anyone at any experience level go ride singletrack on an ebike, come back and say "well, that sucked." If a lot did, I highly doubt almost every manufacturer would be producing one.
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    I'm an avid trail rider with a 43 mile round trip commute. My eBike lets me put 150+ miles a week commuting and still have the energy left for singletrack shredding.

    Regular road bike with panniers means 1h40m one way while eBike cuts it down to 0h58m

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    Quote Originally Posted by 127.0.0.1 View Post
    stop trying to make it happen

    it's not gonna happen
    For what value of ''it"?

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    Trail work.
    That would be my reason. Unlikely at current prices though.

    Quote Originally Posted by kermit_xc View Post
    I'm an avid trail rider with a 43 mile round trip commute. My eBike lets me put 150+ miles a week commuting and still have the energy left for singletrack shredding.

    Regular road bike with panniers means 1h40m one way while eBike cuts it down to 0h58m
    Best reason I've seen yet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kermit_xc View Post
    I'm an avid trail rider with a 43 mile round trip commute. My eBike lets me put 150+ miles a week commuting and still have the energy left for singletrack shredding.

    Regular road bike with panniers means 1h40m one way while eBike cuts it down to 0h58m
    I think this is fantastic use of an e-motorbike. Not only are you not burning gas and sparing your vehicle some wear and tear, you're getting a moderate workout.

    I'm guessing you could make the drive in 10-15 minutes? As one who puts more miles on his bicycles and legs than on his car each year, it's refreshing to encounter another throwback who doesn't mind sacrificing time for fitness and air quality.

    Seriously, I salute you.

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    To address OP, trail building and maintenance are two great uses for e-motorbikes. Those guys sacrifice a lot of time and effort for the greater good of anyone who enjoys our trail systems, and much of the equipment they must haul around is very heavy.

    However, generally speaking, I am not a fan of e-motorbikes on trails designated as non-motorized. Despite what certain state legislatures or city ordinances proclaim, a motor is a motor. Anyone who would argue that 350W (or, god, 750W!) isn't much power needs to hop on a stationary with a powermeter and see how long he/she can maintain that output.

    I understand the desire to be on the trails, but I don't understand the wish for motorized assistance, and I probably never will. It's weird to say, but the work is half the fun.

    Realize these points have been covered ad nauseum within this subforum, so my apologies for being redundant. I don't hate anyone for riding an e-motorbike on singletrack trail, but I do feel at some point you probably decided you didn't want to put in the work anymore, and that makes me a little sad.

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    ^Why post in an "emotorbike forum?" I'm sure the ebike riders on the ebike forum value your opinion.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gutch View Post
    Well I haven't heard of anyone at any experience level go ride singletrack on an ebike, come back and say "well, that sucked." If a lot did, I highly doubt almost every manufacturer would be producing one.
    My ride sucked. Dirt road, way fast, too fast almost. For me and my riding here in MA, lots of ledges, logs, tech up and downs too. Some trials type moves as well. Not on all the trails, but many. Lofting the front wheel? Way too much work and awkward to say the least. Ruined the flow. And the fun. So there's that. YRMV.

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    Why are you riding in MA? I thought they are shunned and banned there?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gutch View Post
    Why are you riding in MA? I thought they are shunned and banned there?
    Dirt ROAD, he said.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gutch View Post
    Why are you riding in MA? I thought they are shunned and banned there?
    ^^^^ Needs some clarity here. I was at an accessibility event, for those with some physical disabilities. In part sponsored by the state park agency. So there were some electric off road wheel chairs, some e bikes, e trikes and some hand cranks type mobility devices. Actually a pretty cool event to get some folks out in the woods who would not have an opportunity otherwise.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gutch View Post
    ^Why post in an "emotorbike forum?" I'm sure the ebike riders on the ebike forum value your opinion.
    Partly because mtbr.com is a forum for mountain bikers, and partly because I believe at least a portion of my response addressed the OP's question.

    I'm not aware that participation in this subforum requires one to be a proponent of e-motorbikes. If that's the case, I will delete or edit my comments accordingly, but until then, maybe leave moderating to the moderators?

    And whether you value my input or not is of no consequence to me. That's the beauty of forums--we're not all going to share the same interests or viewpoints.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hdparrish View Post
    I'm not aware that participation in this subforum requires one to be a proponent of e-motorbikes. If that's the case, I will delete or edit my comments accordingly, but until then, maybe leave moderating to the moderators?
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    They probably wouldn't. It really is cheating. I'm a big guy and find some climbs nearly insufferable. But on an e-bike it's a breeze. I was able to easily 'pedal' along at over 16 mph on the climbs and pass everyone else on the trail. Normally I'd struggle to keep a 4.7 mph pace. I don't find he weight to be that bad so it didn't effect the descending that much. If there were numerous drops then I could possibly see it being a bit of a hindrance.

    I was able to knock out 3 loops in the time it would have taken me to complete one on a normal mtb. And I still had energy to spare. In fact it was a bit ungratifying. I like riding and feeling some exhaustion. I imagine a fit rider would be even more perturbed as they wouldn't feel like they got a good workout in. I do like ebikes but I kinda feel they should regulate the power output more and reduce the speed at which they operate. Being able to hit 25 mph on a climb is ridiculous and will certainly draw the ire of others.

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    Good response, and that was my reasoning. I MIGHT use a e-bike for bikepacking, but never have. My wife and I have explored some sites on MTB's (round trip obviously since we didn't stay overnight). We could try it this summer. I MIGHT need to travel further than necessary on a given ride, but that has not occurred, although we've been on the trail all day on MTB's. The only reason that I ride an e-MTB is for a different experience when bored with "normal" rides. Obviously most here don't agree which is fine since I'm way past trying to please anyone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fos'l View Post
    The only reason that I ride an e-MTB is for a different experience when bored with "normal" rides.
    Do you ride your e-bike on the same trails that you mountain bike on? As mentioned they're not allowed most places I ride which sort of eliminates them as an option for trail riding. Plenty of atv trails here but I guess I'd rather ride a bike on those too.
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    JB, good to hear from you & hope the weather is reasonable up yonder. We had the mid-80's or so today. Usually, I ride the e-bike on errands or to supplement MTB, that is, now that the newness has waned a little, I ride MTB as much as I would and take an extra e-ride every so often.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fos'l View Post
    Wondered about this while reading a previous thread; maybe there's a few possibilities WHERE IT'S LEGAL:

    1) Bikepacking with a big load.
    2) Change of pace; it's been fun for me.
    3) Need to travel a long distance for some reason.

    Any others?
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    Quote Originally Posted by mrfat View Post
    Being able to hit 25 mph on a climb is ridiculous and will certainly draw the ire of others.
    I've been on an ebike for 2 months now. I'm reasonably bike fit, have above average skills and have been mountain biking for 15 years... I want to know what ebikes you're riding to achieve 25 mph on any sort of reasonable climb.

    I know here in Oz, our ebikes are limited in output and speed... but I don't get anywhere near that speed on a climb. My experience has shown that I actually don't ride much faster on the ebike than I used to on my previous bikes... I can just now do the climbs without being in pain.

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    Quote Originally Posted by russmu66 View Post
    I've been on an ebike for 2 months now. I'm reasonably bike fit, have above average skills and have been mountain biking for 15 years... I want to know what ebikes you're riding to achieve 25 mph on any sort of reasonable climb.

    I know here in Oz, our ebikes are limited in output and speed... but I don't get anywhere near that speed on a climb. My experience has shown that I actually don't ride much faster on the ebike than I used to on my previous bikes... I can just now do the climbs without being in pain.

    It's not always about the speed.
    With an unrestricted 750W bike and no regard for battery life, 25mph would be doable on a very smooth/not too steep climb, but agreed, that was ridiculous hyperbole.

    Old farts who want to be in less pain and slow/timid SOs (which is almost the entire market right now) are never going to be an issue for trail access. It's the next generation of riders who will want to go faster rather than just take it easy that are the problem.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hdparrish View Post
    Partly because mtbr.com is a forum for mountain bikers, and partly because I believe at least a portion of my response addressed the OP's question.

    I'm not aware that participation in this subforum requires one to be a proponent of e-motorbikes. If that's the case, I will delete or edit my comments accordingly, but until then, maybe leave moderating to the moderators?

    And whether you value my input or not is of no consequence to me. That's the beauty of forums--we're not all going to share the same interests or viewpoints.
    Everybody that doesn't own one always has an opinion, here's mine - if I didn't like Ebikes, why would I post in an ebike forum? MOST ebike riders are CURRENT or past mtbrs. NON EBIKE owners, have the mindset that we are very green and don't understand the bike scene. The ebike is new, not the riders.
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    I don't own a nuclear powered excavator, but I'm pretty sure I don't want to share trails with any.

    Just saying.

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    Not one thing wrong with legally riding an ebike on legal trails. Who are we to judge people and what they do for enjoyment. ANY ride is better than no ride.
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    Oh, for sure. I'd ride one in a hot second on a lot of motorized trails that are too chewed up or steep to be fun on a normal mountain bike.

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    I currently don't own an emtb, but do own 4 Turbo road bikes and like the emtb, they are super fun, but doesn't mean that I stop riding normal bikes. As for my next "motorbike" Ducati desert sled. To answer the OP question, I would just simply get one for fun. All my bikes are fun, hell, if I'm not getting paid to ride, is there any other reason?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gutch View Post
    Everybody that doesn't own one always has an opinion, here's mine - if I didn't like Ebikes, why would I post in an ebike forum?
    This isn't unique to the e-bike forum. If you go into the 27.5 forum, there are still(!) arguments about why anyone would ride such a contraption. The 26er forum has people telling others to 'get with the times'. The drivetrain forum has people wondering why anyone would ride a 2x since they, specifically, do not. It's the internet man. Arguing about everything under the sun is what we do.

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    That's for sure, human nature I guess.
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    Quote Originally Posted by russmu66 View Post
    I've been on an ebike for 2 months now. I'm reasonably bike fit, have above average skills and have been mountain biking for 15 years... I want to know what ebikes you're riding to achieve 25 mph on any sort of reasonable climb.

    I know here in Oz, our ebikes are limited in output and speed... but I don't get anywhere near that speed on a climb. My experience has shown that I actually don't ride much faster on the ebike than I used to on my previous bikes... I can just now do the climbs without being in pain.

    It's not always about the speed.


    25mph isn't likely to be realistic on anything but a gradual climb. Even 15mph though seems like the person is passing at a much higher speed if it's a decent enough ascent. Even if plugging along at 6 mph and some passes at 13mph it seems like they are going quite a bit faster that just double your rate.

    One thing I've noticed out here though is many people will mod their bikes from the get go. In fact the LBS will often do it and uses it as a selling point.
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    25mph is non achieveable on ANY bike climbing singletrack.
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    I'm not talking about an 8000w contraption. A Levo, no way.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gutch View Post
    25mph is non achieveable on ANY bike climbing singletrack.


    20 mph? 18? When a human powered MTB may be grinding along at 6 mph.The disparity in speeds is telling and when pointed out to land managers, eye opening.
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    I agree, they may want to purchase one themselves and get on with more riding and less farting around at 6 mph.
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    Riding or just using a motor with a little pedaling?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gutch View Post
    I agree, they may want to purchase one themselves and get on with more riding and less farting around at 6 mph.


    Rather, they may just simply prohibit motor assisted bikes to forego future conflicts. Path of least resistance and posts like yours are making it even less so.
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    Yes, as a landowner they have that right. So let's let them decide what to allow on their land rather than what "you" feel would be best. I allow them on my land, along with mtbs and snowmobiles and motorbikes. Why? because I'm not threatened over a small number of Ebikes, bigger fish to fry. Also, if I lived and rode somewhere where things are that "delicate" I'd move on, not worth it. I'm trying to think of the last disrespectful rider I've encountered on the trail and it wasn't an Ebiker, it was a Strava freak going gangbusters and the sad part is they are EVERYWHERE unlike Ebikers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gutch View Post
    I'm trying to think of the last disrespectful rider I've encountered on the trail and it wasn't an Ebiker, it was a Strava freak going gangbusters and the sad part is they are EVERYWHERE unlike Ebikers.
    Yet. If you think the strava freaks are bad now just wait until they have an extra 700 watts or so on tap.
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    True, but they won't be going downhill any faster, most are slower downhill on an emtb due to the hefty handling. I don't buy the uphill speedster argument.
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