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    I got into mountain biking this year big time hitting trails in my area, mostly alone because all my friends are to lame to go. So I been doing my thing on the trails having a blast, when one of my childhood friend calls my and says he going to start riding the trails with me, he is getting a Motoped and he is excited about it!!!

    What a D bag. I been busting balls getting in shape, in this guy who is in good shape, wants to ride bike trails on a dirt bike. I told him I wouldn't ride with him with that, and if he wants to ride drag out your 20 year old trek 7000 and lets go.

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    I feel lucky enough to live in an area where you cant ride the trails with anything powered other than human powered bicycles..
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jayem View Post
    This is only the beginning. Hybrid bikes that store energy from braking that look like and are as light as mountain bikes today will be coming in the future.

    Why so pessimistic?

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    Quote Originally Posted by G0at View Post
    If he was talking on his cell while sipping a latte, throwing the wrapper from his deluxe triple bypass lardburger on the trail, and/or being a regular ******, then I definately would call him in. If he was just out enjoying the trail, prolly wouldn't worry about it.
    Funny as hell dude!

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    These E bikes will lead to the loss of trail access for MTBers, you can bank on it. It's not enough that we have to counter the often negative perception that some already have, now motorized vehicles cloaked as bicycles will add to that perception. The tree huggers and Sierra Club are sharpening their knives as you read this. As an aside, I find it to be insulting that MTBR promotes E-bikes in the name of revenues while speaking out of the other side of their proverbial mouths to promote trail access.

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    Americans. Do you guys hear yourselves? Gees some of you guys sound like simple haters/purest/"I would report them"whiners. Actually, kinda like Amish.

    -Scare Horses-My bike is quieter than most freewheels
    -Lazy- FU. I don't have to take a ski lift. If your only reason for dislike is that you are putty legs after an up hill, then....
    -Too heavy-me and my bike are 220#

    Don't knock it, until you try it. Keep your "Go Fast Muscle"/PED's. And my MANY tax $'s go to state an Fed trails too.
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    Have you guys seen the KTM E-bike. That is the future. Imagine the backlash when those things try to hit the mountain bike trails. Haha, I doubt you would ever see that, but they are cool

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    Quote Originally Posted by JCON2009 View Post
    Americans. Do you guys hear yourselves? Gees some of you guys sound like simple haters/purest/"I would report them"whiners. Actually, kinda like Amish.

    -Scare Horses-My bike is quieter than most freewheels
    -Lazy- FU. I don't have to take a ski lift. If your only reason for dislike is that you are putty legs after an up hill, then....
    -Too heavy-me and my bike are 220#

    Don't knock it, until you try it. Keep your "Go Fast Muscle"/PED's. And my MANY tax $'s go to state an Fed trails too.
    Sounds like someone didnt get the response they were expecting..

    Id say go out and ride to relieve some of that stress.. but....
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    Quote Originally Posted by JCON2009 View Post
    Americans. Do you guys hear yourselves? Gees some of you guys sound like simple haters/purest/"I would report them"whiners. Actually, kinda like Amish.

    -Scare Horses-My bike is quieter than most freewheels
    -Lazy- FU. I don't have to take a ski lift. If your only reason for dislike is that you are putty legs after an up hill, then....
    -Too heavy-me and my bike are 220#

    Don't knock it, until you try it. Keep your "Go Fast Muscle"/PED's. And my MANY tax $'s go to state an Fed trails too.
    no motorized vehicles allowed on trails here...that ain't probably changing much...

    The do give quite a bit of latitiude to crippled people though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jeffscott View Post
    no motorized vehicles allowed on trails here...that ain't probably changing much...

    The do give quite a bit of latitiude to crippled people though.
    One of my local trails has been making some of the trail system to Adaptive Mountain Bike Trails (Mountain Biking | Adaptive sports for anyone with a disability | Disabled Sports USA). They make some of the single tracks wider..

    There is a local guy who lost both legs and uses a cycle which he pedals with his arms.. he still can ride, and still no electric assist...
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    So is that it? You just don't want anyone with a technical advantage riding on "'your" trails? Everyone should sweat just like you, right?

    From the comments, I gather the haters have never seen one in person. Or they did, and didn't know it.

    Guess I should I go back to Persimmons and leave my R1 at home too? Hickory sticks maybe?

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    Quote Originally Posted by JCON2009 View Post
    Guess I should I go back to Persimmons and leave my R1 at home too? Hickory sticks maybe?
    Your analogy makes no sense in this context, seems more like a steel vs. carbon fiber argument. A better one would be your R1 vs. a golf ball cannon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JCON2009 View Post
    So is that it? You just don't want anyone with a technical advantage riding on "'your" trails? Everyone should sweat just like you, right?

    From the comments, I gather the haters have never seen one in person. Or they did, and didn't know it.

    Guess I should I go back to Persimmons and leave my R1 at home too? Hickory sticks maybe?
    Quote Originally Posted by J.B. Weld View Post
    Your analogy makes no sense in this context, seems more like a steel vs. carbon fiber argument. A better one would be your R1 vs. a golf ball cannon.
    and I think thats why he doesnt understand. The guy sees this topic and joins the site with the intent on responding.. Since he isnt a cycling enthusiast, he simply doesnt get the culture.

    It seems he is into golf, so your analogy might click in his mind..
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    For the record. I do own a Nerf football cannon(it's awesome).
    I'm just saying.. If you can't hear me, 0 emissions, same trail impact, and the only place a speed advantage is felt is upline(my 10mph vs your ?mph) what's the biggie?

    I do not wish to add any more fuel to the flaming. I'm on your team, and I didn't mean to came across like a d1ck.. I've ridden bikes all of my life. I had a PK Ripper when ET came out. I just got my ebike and love it. I didn't come to this forum to start fights. I was going to ask for suspension suggestions, and thought I'd do a search to make sure my question wasn't asked before. That's how I came to this thread to begin with. I had no idea there were such negative feelings toward hybrid bikes. I had 3 smudges on my "reputation before I knew it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JCON2009 View Post
    what's the biggie?


    It opens the door to 50 mph e dirt bikes, trail destruction and conflict with other user groups. And it most assuredly leads down the road to trail closures and exclusion of mtbs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SandSpur View Post
    and I think thats why he doesnt understand. The guy sees this topic and joins the site with the intent on responding.. Since he isnt a cycling enthusiast, he simply doesnt get the culture.

    It seems he is into golf, so your analogy might click in his mind..
    Not at all(I was typing my response as you posted this I explained why I joined). You jumped me. Why?
    I've been riding for awhile. How old are you mr. super enthusiast ? I'm probably into lots of things that don't interest you(paintball, *, etc)

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    Quote Originally Posted by JCON2009 View Post
    Not at all(I was typing my response as you posted this I explained why I joined). You jumped me. Why?
    I've been riding for awhile. How old are you mr. super enthusiast ? I'm probably into lots of things that don't interest you(paintball, girls, etc)




    Why respond with backhanded insults? And don't complain about bad rep as long as you respond in that manner.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dirty $anchez View Post
    Why respond with backhanded insults? And don't complain about bad rep as long as you respond in that manner.
    You are right(finally

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dirty $anchez View Post
    It opens the door to 50 mph e dirt bikes, trail destruction and conflict with other user groups. And it most assuredly leads down the road to trail closures and exclusion of mtbs.
    This is exactly my concern, it's a slippery slope and if you allow access to small, low powered electric motorized bikes you are opening the door for the high powered E Bikes gain access. No motorized means NO MOTORIZED of any kind...zero tolerance!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dirty $anchez View Post
    It opens the door to 50 mph e dirt bikes, trail destruction and conflict with other user groups. And it most assuredly leads down the road to trail closures and exclusion of mtbs.
    No motorized access means NO MOTORIZED ACCESS. Sure, the mass market production ebikes don't really offer that much motorized assist most of the time, but there are already models and kits out there that lack the (legally REQUIRED) speed governor to limit them to reasonable speeds. I said it before in this thread and I'll repeat it:

    Land managers need easy to enforce regulations. "No motorized vehicles" is a helluva lot easier to enforce than "No motorized vehicles that can exceed 20mph on flat, paved ground" or something equally convoluted. If ebike riders aren't idiots, they'll likely slip under the radar. But the first time someone with an ebike causes a serious incident or requires an evac, you'll bet land managers won't be so forgiving about that "no motorized vehicles" rule that they have been allowing you to bend.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JCON2009 View Post
    Americans. Do you guys hear yourselves? Gees some of you guys sound like simple haters/purest/"I would report them"whiners. Actually, kinda like Amish.

    -Scare Horses-My bike is quieter than most freewheels
    -Lazy- FU. I don't have to take a ski lift. If your only reason for dislike is that you are putty legs after an up hill, then....
    -Too heavy-me and my bike are 220#

    Don't knock it, until you try it. Keep your "Go Fast Muscle"/PED's. And my MANY tax $'s go to state an Fed trails too.


    Quote Originally Posted by JCON2009 View Post
    Not at all(I was typing my response as you posted this I explained why I joined). You jumped me. Why?
    I've been riding for awhile. How old are you mr. super enthusiast ? I'm probably into lots of things that don't interest you(paintball, *, etc)
    After that post, are you really wondering why anyone "jumped" you? Im in my mid-30s.. not that it matters, since intelligence doesnt correspond with age, post count, MTBR join date, etc...

    and im into things other than biking too.. like motorcycles. Yet id never want anything motorized on a mountain bike trail.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JCON2009 View Post
    So is that it? You just don't want anyone with a technical advantage riding on "'your" trails? Everyone should sweat just like you, right?

    From the comments, I gather the haters have never seen one in person. Or they did, and didn't know it.

    Guess I should I go back to Persimmons and leave my R1 at home too? Hickory sticks maybe?
    Seriously, Dude. This is a mountain bike forum. Suppose you went to a hiking forum and suggested that you're gonna' ride your Segway on the hiking trails and then got offended when the hikers pointed out that your recreational activity, while interesting and exciting to you, is not really hiking.

    Similarly, eBikes are nice inventions but they aren't really bicycles in the traditional sense and as they can range from simple electric assist to essentially low-powered motorcycles it is not unreasonable for mountain bikers to question their use on trails.

    I live in ATV land. People here work hard so they generally don't want to work hard for recreation and express their love of the outdoors by riding in the woods on motorized vehicles. There are plenty of trails where you can do this...how about taking your eBike to one of those?

    As to not tolerating anybody with a technical advantage, the point of mountain-biking is to get out there and sweat a little, the amount of which depends on how hard you want to go. We have easy trails around here on which whole families may take their occasional Saturday ride on their department store bikes as well as steep, difficult trails that are challenging enough to intimidate regular riders. The price of admission is nothing but some sweat and effort; maybe if you can't climb steep grades for an hour you don't need to be on that particular trail.

    Heck, why not just pave the trails, install elevators, and remove every possible challenge that would prevent some out-of-shape rider from completing his ride?

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    Quote Originally Posted by JCON2009 View Post
    I have a Stealth Fighter(69lbs and I'm 150lbs). It really does not impact trails anymore than any other mtb. There is no burn-out/rooster tail kind of power. I still pedal my a$s off all of the ride, and have to on steep up hills, but its like having super PED strength. Ok, maybe I ghost pedal on some inclines. Let me live

    Even though I can do 32mph on flat street, I can't go any faster on the trail than non-E mtb due to all of those pesky trees, etc. What it does, is allow a 40yo, busy dad with badish knees to enjoy mtb'ing again.

    My bike has a heavy hub motor. This looks nice to me:
    Haibike Xduro AMT Pro 2014
    Go someplace with shuttle runs?????????
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jayem View Post
    This is only the beginning. Hybrid bikes that store energy from braking that look like and are as light as mountain bikes today will be coming in the future. They won't ride on batteries all day, but they will allow you to cover more ground, switch between electrical and human power, etc.
    Sure they could be coming, but they still have to have a motor somewhere. This excludes them immediately from being CA legal. The rangers/land managers are not morons. They will know what is what by brand or other marketing hype. It's kind of funny that the thing that might make you go "wow" at the bike shop will also get you caught on a CA trail.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JCON2009 View Post
    So is that it? You just don't want anyone with a technical advantage riding on "'your" trails?
    Where does your "technical advantage" and your rig becomes a motorcycle???

    Keeping the propulsion "human powered" is just the best way to keep it a bicycle.

    Now, if you have a device that can double the affects of gravity on my on the DH side, the cut it in half on the uphill side, I'm listening. The propulsion is still human, but you removed resistance to the propulsion (on uphill).
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    Quote Originally Posted by JCON2009 View Post
    For the record. I do own a Nerf football cannon(it's awesome).
    I'm just saying.. If you can't hear me, 0 emissions, same trail impact, and the only place a speed advantage is felt is upline(my 10mph vs your ?mph) what's the biggie?

    I do not wish to add any more fuel to the flaming. I'm on your team, and I didn't mean to came across like a d1ck.. I've ridden bikes all of my life. I had a PK Ripper when ET came out. I just got my ebike and love it. I didn't come to this forum to start fights. I was going to ask for suspension suggestions, and thought I'd do a search to make sure my question wasn't asked before. That's how I came to this thread to begin with. I had no idea there were such negative feelings toward hybrid bikes. I had 3 smudges on my "reputation before I knew it.
    Please do not go off about zero emissions......
    Electicity you charged that thing came from where? The solar panel on your helmet?

    Then we could talk about all the great stuff in the battery and what to do with it once it won't recharge.

    So, when compared to the "standard" mountain bike, the ebike has more emissions before you even get to the trailhead.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JCON2009 View Post
    Not at all(I was typing my response as you posted this I explained why I joined). You jumped me. Why?
    I've been riding for awhile. How old are you mr. super enthusiast ? I'm probably into lots of things that don't interest you(paintball, *, etc)
    Quote Originally Posted by Dirty $anchez View Post
    Why respond with backhanded insults? And don't complain about bad rep as long as you respond in that manner.
    Typically, someone who responds with "backhanded insults" cannot come up with a legitimate rebutal to your arguement.

    So, if he/she insults you, you have won.

    (It bugs them even more when they insult you and you go, "Cool" and smile with confidence knowing you won.)
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    Only p*ssies need motors other than OEM (the manufacturer being the deity of your choice).

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    I'm blown away by the number of people who think electric bike are ok on human powered trails. To me they are even less acceptable than horses and I hate horses.

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    Quote Originally Posted by donutnational View Post
    I'm blown away by the number of people who think electric bike are ok on human powered trails. To me they are even less acceptable than horses and I hate horses.
    I resemble the remark, but I'm ok with horses.............just not their poop on the trail, or off the side of the trail. You see when I crash, my body is a horse poop magnet. If there's some, I'll crash there and roll in it for sure
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    I guess I'm that ebike guy....while I have 2 human powered mountain bikes I also have an ebike. Now in my early 40's I found myself in a tough spot, 4 knee ops, 2 shoulder ops, low back lamenectomy and a titanium plate in my neck fusing 2 vertabra...X-Games stuff before it made you famous and bought you a house, we did for the fun! I can ride my pedal only, just not very far, so I was really limited by having to be careful not to get too far from home (btw I'm not fat and lazy, just have a lot of knee pain) so the ebike is awesome for me I can combine throttle and pedal to plan a nice bike ride. For the most part I will stay off the "no motorized vehicle" paths (wide enough for a car) that connect the towns in my area and stick to the sidewalks, but occasionally I do take the path, it is far more scenic and a little straighter shot between towns, thankfully I have not encountered anyone who cared that my bike has an electric motor. I think a big part of this is riding responsibly, I am rarely going more than 15mph and always pedaling, and I am often being passed, and I slow to a crawl around hikers and families of bikers with kids. The situation reminds me a little of the mid 80's when I switched from skiing to snowboarding after my first knee surgery, skiers HATED snowboarders.. We were going to ruin the hill, somebody was going to get killed by those lunatic snowboarders, we heard it all. Then, the hills started letting us in one night a week, Sunday's after 6pm till close, then weekdays only, then well, here we are today...I don't know how ebiking will play out, I have no plans to hit the popular single track track trails with my ebike, there are plenty of good options where I live, and it is a respect thing as well. I ride both human and epower bikes each week, they are both a blast for different reasons, I get a little sad when I see posts like "electric bike, whats the point" or other demeaning posts, but I try to remember everyone is entitled to their opinion.

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    The situation is in no way similar to the ski vs snowboard thing. It is similar to the snow machine vs. earn your turns thing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JCON2009 View Post
    I had 3 smudges on my "reputation before I knew it.
    Gee maybe it's because you leave rep like this ... "maybe I'll shove my battery up your P*ssy".

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    Seriously? That will make you the biggest douche if you call a ranger because OMG OMG OMG somebody has battery on their bike that helps them go uphill.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OhGee View Post
    Gee maybe it's because you leave rep like this ... "maybe I'll shove my battery up your P*ssy".
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gromov View Post
    Seriously? That will make you the biggest douche if you call a ranger because OMG OMG OMG somebody has battery on their bike that helps them go uphill.




    You must mean, the biggest Douche is whomever decided to ride a motorized vehicle on a mtb trail putting our hard fought trail access at risk. Sometimes the entitlement attitude of e bikers makes me reconsider who the real Douchebags really are.

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    Re: Electric Bikes on MTB Trails

    Quote Originally Posted by Dirty $anchez View Post
    You must mean, the biggest Douche is whomever decided to ride a motorized vehicle on a mtb trail putting our hard fought trail access at risk. Sometimes the entitlement attitude of e bikers makes me reconsider who the real Douchebags really are.
    In just trying to understand for myself why there's so much hate against ebikers here?
    Is it because of the fact that park authorities might consider it as motorized vehicle and ban everybody's access there?



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    Quote Originally Posted by Gromov View Post
    In just trying to understand for myself why there's so much hate against ebikers here?
    Is it because of the fact that park authorities might consider it as motorized vehicle and ban everybody's access there?



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    No. It is because they ARE motorized vehicles and put OUR hard earned access at risk. No tolerance, zero, nada for motorized vehicles. That and the aforementioned sense of entitlement. And I will again point out the hypocrisy of MTBR promoting e bikes while at the same time promoting trail access for mtbers, you can't have it both ways.

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    Re: Electric Bikes on MTB Trails

    How does it put risk to your hard earned access?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gromov View Post
    How does it put risk to your hard earned access?

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    You have not comprehended the conversation or you are simply trolling, I suspect the later.

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    I think this debate will continue to rage on just as the wheel size wars continue rage on year over year. Ebikes seem to be an up in coming thing..for the most part...I know they have been around for awhile but if you look at the annual bike shows and such they seem to be a bigger topic year after year....and I think they are fantastic for specific purposes.....specifically for commuting. For Commuting to work and such...I think it is great, but I think the general idea and general feeling here when considering mountain biking and riding on trails on an Ebike completely defeats the purpose of mountain biking, I know my stating the obvious here but I also don't have a problem if I saw someone riding an Ebike on a trail.....mostly because I tend to give people the "benefit of the doubt" that there is probably a reason they are on an Ebike in the first place.....such as a health or medical reason...yet they love getting out and riding the trails. Honestly, if I lost a leg or something or had a medical condition and the only way I could fully enjoy the trails was by riding a battery operated Ebike I would go for it.

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    You have not comprehended the conversation or you are simply trolling, I suspect the later.
    I'm not trolling honestly. I just want to understand how ebikes put your access rights to risk?




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    Quote Originally Posted by Gromov View Post
    I'm not trolling honestly. I just want to understand how ebikes put your access rights to risk?

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    I don't think it would be so hard to bolt a pair of pedals on this thing. There are places where motorcycles are allowed, and places where bicycles are allowed. You can debate all day long as to weather the two should be treated equally but right now they're not, and personally I am glad for that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gromov View Post
    I'm not trolling honestly. I just want to understand how ebikes put your access rights to risk?
    A lot of mountain biking areas (such as the area I build in) are 'No Motorized Access'. This isn't because trail builders hate motorized vehicles or anything, it is because the impacts on trails are hugely increased by the weight and power of dirtbikes and ATVs. I wouldn't be able to maintain the trails and features that I do if I had to deal with the increased wear and trail damage caused by motorized vehicles, I just don't have that much time.

    While I think E-bikes are a good thing (I would love to have an electric supermoto like the BRD RedShift), and at low power levels I don't think they would cause any more damage, they are technically motorized. This means that if they are officially allowed in a riding area, any motorized vehicles are allowed. If bike clubs condone e-bike use in their riding areas, motorized vehicle groups can argue that they should also be allowed access. A lot of people have worked very hard to get their riding areas protected so that they can build bike trails, and they are not going to want to compromise that.

    It would be great if there was some sort of way to allow low power e-bikes on non-motorized trails, but this isn't really feasible. As NateHawk said on the previous page:

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    Land managers need easy to enforce regulations. "No motorized vehicles" is a helluva lot easier to enforce than "No motorized vehicles that can exceed 20mph on flat, paved ground" or something equally convoluted.
    Edit: If you need electric assist to ride because of a legitimate medical condition, I would say just buy something low powered that looks like a normal bike. Personally I'm not going to complain unless you're roosting it up, but don't expect it to be legal in non-motorized areas.

    Edit2: I should also say that in my case mountain bikes losing trail access isn't an issue, so I can't specifically comment on that.

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    Re: Electric Bikes on MTB Trails

    All right I think the problem here is with different understanding of what an ebike is. That orange KTM is definitely a no no.

    I actually rode a commuter ebike last night. Cube dealership has one for test drive. It just gives you a little push when you start and probably keeps helping you when you are spinning the pedals, that's all. Weight? Weights 6 maybe 7 kg more than it would have without the battery and the motor.

    But you cannot hold extra 7 kilograms against the ebikes because riders of regular bikes have much bigger difference in weight and you don't limit their access.

    Another thing that I can think of is that maybe folks here think that ebikes spin tires like enduro bikes kicking dirt, gravel and sand in the air destroying the surface and they don't, they are simply not capable of doing that.

    However the way it's going I think there will probably be versions with more powerful motors that will have an impact on the trails and this will become an issue. I suppose there needs to be some sort of limit that would limit it to bikes below 500 watt motors for example. So I guess I now understand Dirty Sanchez's point.

    I'm actually pretty old school about bikes too and I bought my bike partially for fitness reasons but I wouldn't mind having an ebike in my fleet cuz they are fun.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Gromov View Post
    ...I suppose there needs to be some sort of limit that would limit it to bikes below 500 watt motors for example...
    Sounds pretty sensible, but probably easier said than done. The whole E-bike thing is a bit laissez faire at the moment.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ACB931 View Post
    I guess I'm that ebike guy....while I have 2 human powered mountain bikes I also have an ebike. Now in my early 40's I found myself in a tough spot, 4 knee ops, 2 shoulder ops, low back lamenectomy and a titanium plate in my neck fusing 2 vertabra...X-Games stuff before it made you famous and bought you a house, we did for the fun! I can ride my pedal only, just not very far, so I was really limited by having to be careful not to get too far from home (btw I'm not fat and lazy, just have a lot of knee pain) so the ebike is awesome for me I can combine throttle and pedal to plan a nice bike ride. For the most part I will stay off the "no motorized vehicle" paths (wide enough for a car) that connect the towns in my area and stick to the sidewalks, but occasionally I do take the path, it is far more scenic and a little straighter shot between towns, thankfully I have not encountered anyone who cared that my bike has an electric motor. I think a big part of this is riding responsibly, I am rarely going more than 15mph and always pedaling, and I am often being passed, and I slow to a crawl around hikers and families of bikers with kids. The situation reminds me a little of the mid 80's when I switched from skiing to snowboarding after my first knee surgery, skiers HATED snowboarders.. We were going to ruin the hill, somebody was going to get killed by those lunatic snowboarders, we heard it all. Then, the hills started letting us in one night a week, Sunday's after 6pm till close, then weekdays only, then well, here we are today...I don't know how ebiking will play out, I have no plans to hit the popular single track track trails with my ebike, there are plenty of good options where I live, and it is a respect thing as well. I ride both human and epower bikes each week, they are both a blast for different reasons, I get a little sad when I see posts like "electric bike, whats the point" or other demeaning posts, but I try to remember everyone is entitled to their opinion.
    Wow, that's a lot of extra baggage in your body. Are you sure it's ok to be on any kind of mtb? A fall the wrong way could be significantly serious to you, but not for someone else. Take it easy out there.
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    I don't think it would be so hard to bolt a pair of pedals on this thing. There are places where motorcycles are allowed, and places where bicycles are allowed. You can debate all day long as to weather the two should be treated equally but right now they're not, and personally I am glad for that.
    Yeah, baby,
    I'm taking the KOM on Kennedy trail with that puppy. Where can I rent one and strap some pedals on it.
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    Sorry for all who got sick or hurt and can't ride anymore, but that doesn't mean I support your right to bring motorized vehicles on trails that are not open to motorized vehicles. I also don't support your right to bring snowmobiles onto mountains where they are not allowed so you can ski or snowboard on them since you can't climb them under your own power. But I guess I'm just a 55 year old elitist hater. Ride and climb as much as you can while you can and don't cry when you are no longer able.

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    Quote Originally Posted by donutnational View Post
    Sorry for all who got sick or hurt and can't ride anymore, but that doesn't mean I support your right to bring motorized vehicles on trails that are not open to motorized vehicles. I also don't support your right to bring snowmobiles onto mountains where they are not allowed so you can ski or snowboard on them since you can't climb them under your own power. But I guess I'm just a 55 year old elitist hater. Ride and climb as much as you can while you can and don't cry when you are no longer able.
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